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Does God Loves Us No Matter What We Do?

The answer lies as to whether the whole Bible is relevant to the individual, or only parts that point to Gods love.

John 3:16 is used by many to justify that God is a loving God and in isolation would appear to be true. If you read on in the same chapter to verse 36 as follows." Whoever believes in the son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the son will not see life, for Gods Wrath remains on him".

Love should equal obedience.

God according to the Bible both loves and hates. Psalm 5: 4-6. 4; you are not a God who takes pleasure in evil. with you the wicked cannot dwell.

verse 5 the arrogant cannot stand in your presence; you hate all who do wrong.

verse 6: you destroy those who tell lies; bloodthirsty and deceitful men the Lord abhors.

" Whoever has my commands ands obeys them, then he is the one who loves me, he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and i too will love him and show myself to him". John 14: 21. Obedience.

" Put to death therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature, sexual immorality, impurity, lust evil desires and greed which is idolatory because of these the wrath of God is coming" Col 3:5  " now the works of the flesh are manifest which are these adultery, fornication, uncleaness lasciviousness  and debauchery, idolatory and witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage selfish ambition, dissenions, factions and envy, drunkenness orgies and the like, I warn you as i did before, that those who live like this, will not inherit the kingdom of God' Galatians 5:19-21

Love equals obedience, Grace is not a licence to do what we feel like.

churinga churinga 70+, M 10 Responses May 15, 2010

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Yes He is always there in all things great and small.<br />
The Spirit holds all things together that exist.<br />
It is ones own choice that was given to see and believe what is right or not.<br />
We have a tendancy to test the Father, are you not glad He has such patience with His children.<br />
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Have a great day!

I agree with this. However, nothing can separate us from Gods *love*. We can choose sin and separate ourselves eternally from Gods presence but while there is still breath in our lungs, even in our sin, I believe that Gods love never lessens or diminishes. <br />
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Grace and love are no license to sin, but even in our sin and undeservedness, Christ showed His love for us -- He gave His life for us. What Christians forget is that when we actively choose to disobey God, we are (in essence) putting Jesus back on the cross all over again. When I read that recently in the Bible, it hit me like a ton of bricks. Jesus work on the cross is complete.. now it's up to me (us) to take up OUR cross daily and follow Him. Not the other way around..

Re dreammmer.<br />
this post is almost two years old and as time passed the issue of whether the Once Saved Always Saved could be justified from sc<x>ripture was raised and has been dealt with by those interested at the time, and will not be opened again here.

He hated Esau. He hates the Nicolations. Sure!

I think most of us on any given day are certain that we have free will, though what exactly this amounts to is much less certain. For David Hume, the question of the nature of free will is “the most contentious question of metaphysics.”(the branch of philosophy that treats of first-principles, includes ontology and cosmology, and is intimately connected with epistemology. If this is correct, then figuring out what "free will" is no small task indeed. <br />
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Minimally, to say that a person has free will is to say that the person has the capacity to choose his or her course of action. But animals seem to satisfy this criterion, and we typically think that only persons, and not animals, have "free will". Let us then understand term "free" will as the capacity unique to persons that allows them to control their actions. It is controversial whether this minimal understanding of what it means to have a "free will" actually requires a person to have a specific faculty of will, whether the term “free will” is simply shorthand for other features of being a "person" , and whether there really is such a thing as "free will" at all.<br />
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This original post thou quaint is is rather infantile seems to want to consider why we should care about free will and how freedom of will relates to freedom of action. It canvassed a minute number of the dominant accounts of what the will is, and and has not explored the persistent question of the relationship between free will and causal determinism, which may be beyond the capability of the poster, no offence intended. The actual articulation on a number of different positions one might take on the issue for instance, does determinism imply that there is no free will, as the in-compatibilists argue, or does it allow for free will, as the compatibilists argue?<br />
The original post may not have been wanting to explore several influential arguments that have been given in favor of these two dominant positions on the relationship between "free will" and "causal determinism". <br />
I feel there needs to be a brief examination of how free will relates to theological determinism and logical determinism. Respectfully, I am not sure, myself or the original poster is up to that challenge but I am game if he/she is.

To be honest with you my dear friend, you were tought right from wrong if you have to ask a group of people what there oppion is , if your doing right or wrong, come on you should be giving addvice and asking questions like this what you were told not to do as a child is what your not supposed to be doing and thats what their parents told them and their perents to them you get what Im saying? Im not JUDGING YOU im just telling you , what it is that you already know, Im just giving you another way to look at things elders are wisdom am I right? Ok now take the conpept that your in a cartoon and you see on one shoulder an angel and that angle that looks like you but waring white say s dont do it and the other is a devel saying do it . Thats life if it feels wrong looks wrong and you would never do it infront of your grandmother or grandfather and or enven in church then guess what its wrong and you know it ! If you chose to do it ask for forgivness but if you keep doing it over and over again , You know what grandpas going to woop your butt, thats a promise, gods the same way he may not through you in the pit of hell today because of or sins he does not hate you ok? hes about love he will punish you in ways while your on earth until the day you die, like myself ok god told me that i was doing somthing wrong and I know it so he took something away from me and I did this again and he took away something else away from me until 3 months ago everything I had was gone I know this because Ive been alone most of my life and all i had as a child was god he is not hateful he gives you chance after chance until you completely denigh him up untilthe day you die Im sick of hearing my God as being hateful hes NOT well back to my story I lost my girls, my boyfriend,and my parents and was taken to the hospital and now I have a record I havent checked back into it but Im hoping my record is cleared but if not OH well I did it its my fault and I accept my punishment, yes we all slip I still do but im not going to dewell on everything bad thats come out of all this I just pray and do what feels right and guess what my god takes care of the rest I catch myself waking up talking to god in my sleep he is good so well you see the point so good luck my friend yes fear god but know the true him please his just like my father on earth he protects me punnishes me and if I turned my back on my father on earth dont you think my father would be hurt as well and just wipe the dust from his feet and move on but my dad would also wish for me to return to him as well . so just think about it if you were god how much would you take from one person? thanks my friends p.s. from not so perfect myself

I do not believe that I can do anything I want to do (neither would I want this to be true) and God will love me. That is ridiculous, if that were the case, why would anyone....why would I want to live differently? I know in my heart what is good and right but what I desire is not always in line with what I do. This changes nothing about what my heart's desire is and God knows that because He knows my heart. I know that Jesus Christ came and died for me because God/Jesus loves me because He knows my heart burns for Him. He is everything that we need and more. It is the very truth that I do not want to disappoint Him that draws me back to Him. When He is pleased with me, is when I feel my very best.

There are those who believe God by His every word, and it's but a little flock. [Luke 12:32] And all that any man of the only true God can do is write the truths that God has taught them while leaving the rest totally up to only Him because He knows all things and is in far greater control than what man teaches. Daniel 2:21<br />
We live within a world that has been totally deceived exactly as God said it would be in Revelation 12:9, so no matter what one person says about God, Christ, religion and truth, there will be little or absolutely no agreement because the god of this world as the prince and power of the air has billions of demons that get into all minds worldwide has deceived them all with his spirit of error. 2 Corinthians 4:4, Ephesians 2:2, 1 John 4:1, 6<br />
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The words of Christ in Revelation 2:26 read;<br />
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“And he that overcometh and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations.” <br />
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For the meaning of that verse we will read Revelation 5:10.<br />
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“And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.”<br />
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To be an overcomer means to strive with all of your heart, body, soul and mind to only follow Christ with wanting in you’re heart to be as a mirrors image. In other words if His own words in John 15:18-20 don’t fit you, you have been deceived because you follow the doctrines and the traditions of man that make the words of God none effect. Mark 7:6-13<br />
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It’s only God’s Spirit that can bring His words alive with deep understanding and a want for more always, whereas the god of this world fills all with his false security that most all in this whole world of religious deception believe with the Catholic religion being as the massive spiders web that has created uncountable other denominations with different names. Lutheran, Methodist and just way down the line of names all have bits and pieces of Catholicism which is a false following of God that not even written just as all of the pagan holidays. I write not to judge or to argue, but only to spread God’s seeds of truth for Him to water and make grow, or just leave with no roots. It all depends on you’re heart because it is our hearts that tell God everything that He wants to know about us all. Hebrews 4:12-13

Thanks for the input. Last question first, yes man does have freewill. Man can do good to his fellow man many do, different set of circumstances arise with what is contained in the Bible. My question was raised through Bible content, you say you are anti religious ( your profile) with a catholic background, catholics as a general rule know nothing in and around what the Bible contains, if they did they would not be catholics perod. It is a comfortable religion when all thoughts and customs have been predigested by the church, just turn up for mass occassionally, throw in a few bucks live the way you want rock up to confession and away you go easy does it. The general thrust of the question was do religious people believe that without God man can do no good, i can't speak for anyone other than myself, again thank you for taking time to contribute.

Do religious people believe that without God, man can do no good? if that is true then doesn't that mean that when ever something good happens that it is only because God made it so? So if man cannot do anything good on his own and no good can happen without god, then does man have free will?