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Confusing Mahatma Gandhi With The Bible


It has been used so many times it is mistaken for a Bible quote, don't put words in Gods mouth.

Why do people that quote John 3:16 and 17 not quote verse 3:36

" He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son, shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him" John 3:36

Verse 36 is a very inconvenient truth to all those that do not preach the Whole Counsel of God.
churinga churinga 70+, M 11 Responses Jun 14, 2010

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I read the Bible, and the Old Testament God, which is the basis for Allah of the Qur'an, actually does hate the sinner in addition.

See my reply below concerning hate. The contradiction between testaments as far as the nature of God is only apparent, not real.

That is not because of sin or being a sinner, according to romans 5 mankind has been forgiven of sin i.e. through one man adam sin entered mankind and through one man jesus mankind was redeeemed...not just is not sin that seperates us it is our refusal of not making jesus lord of our life...god does not hate us he loves us and calls us his beloved...what more love than a man show that lays his life down for another...your verse that even you post says nothing about sin....its called grace! !!

BRAVO brieks07 for your comments, as well as OnewithJC and the others. It is great to have these discussions about Our God and Savior. <br />
churinga, not wanting to put words in your mouth, your statement is a bit vague in what you mean, I am wondering if you feel that when people quote certain verses from the Bible but not those that are quite a few verses, (approx 18), below, is it your belief that they are not preaching the "full council of God?" I am not understanding if that's what you mean exactly. My reaction to this post is that it really bothers you that this statement is being confused as to something God said. These things happen all the time. My first thought goes to the saying, "Money is the root of all evil." The correct saying is "The love of money is the root of all evil." <br />
Either way, it does sound like the type of preachings from God and Jesus and just maybe the inspiration came from God. Either way, it's the messages given that are important and in this case, I don't think God is offended because this is the type of messages He has & is sending to us. You sounded a bit snippy and that really rubs people the wrong way. Your point would have been received better had you just omitted the, "don't put words in God's mouth." statement. Thank you, however, for setting the record straight.

I don't believe that the love of money is the root of all evil. What about psychopaths who simply kill people for the fun of it, for no monetary gain? Now that's evil.

The Bible says in the original Greek not that the love of money is the root of all evil, but that the love of money is "a root of all the evils".

To expand on that thought, sometimes I get to a point in my life where I think, "What if God did ___(this)___?" and I wonder what I would do. But your comment helped me realize the true answer: God wouldn't do ___(that)___,... because if He did, He wouldn't be the God we are so blessed to know and love. God is NOT a tyrant. He doesn't hate His children. He isn't cruel or unjust or reckless. God IS Sovereign. God loves His children. God IS Love. He is also fair and just and wise, faithful and longsuffering.<br />
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"Be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ hath forgiven you." Ephesians 4:32

Well said, Brieks... What youve written is exactly what non believers or doubters must read.

Exactly! When I see someone come, in His name, acting as if He doesn't hold time in His hand, it is a dead give away. I know His voice and ways.

Isn't it He that says, My sheep know My voice and follow? Absolutely. We are tested from all sides, whatever side we are on. And I love Him for it. He is ALWAYS Good!! Thank you for your wonderful reply, my beautiful friend. Blessings to you, Love!!! :)

What Jesus says takes precedence over everything else written in the Bible.

You seem to believe that what Jesus said is in conflict with some of the Word written in the Bible. But Jesus said, "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Too many people twist the Word to justify their (favorite) sin(s), when Jesus has not told them what they are doing is ok.

Didn't people used to believe in an eye for an eye before Jesus came along? Moses commanded to stone people for certain sins but Jesus said to forgive them. This seems to be one such conflict.

It's not a real conflict. In the beginning, God's command to Noah was that capital punishment was specified for murder, not for sexual sins. Stoning for sins other than murder came in with the covenant of Moses, as did kosher food restrictions, etc. God said in the book of Jeremiah that He had a new and better covenant on the way. Jesus knew that He was ushering in the New Covenant which was to be for all mankind, not just ethnic Israel. Capital punishment for sexual sins and kosher food restrictions were never intended to be a part of the New Covenant.

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I love your comment OnewithJC!! I am so thankful God is the way He is and that He loves us. What you wrote: "If God was like many people in the world and I was punished because He hated me, I don't think I could love Him. I know that I would not love Him. I love Him because He is fair and just. I love Him because He first loved me. I do not have to love Him, neither did He have to love me but He did/does and of course, I do/will love Him" really sticks with me. I think you are so right!

I don't know about you but when I am being corrected or disciplined for something that I am doing wrong, it matters whether the One who is correcting me loves me or not. <br />
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When we discipline our children, hopefully it is out of love and not from hate. There is a difference. If God was like many people in the world and I was punished because He hated me, I don't think I could love Him. I know that I would not love Him. <br />
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I love Him because He is fair and just. I love Him because He first loved me. I do not have to love Him, neither did He have to love me but He did/does and of course, I do/will love Him. We do not hate those that we believe in and love. We "hate" those that we don't know and believe hate us. <br />
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Have you ever knew someone who hated you or have you ever hated someone? If someone asked them if they think you like them~would they say yes or do you think that person you "hate"~love's you? Probably not. <br />
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People who don't love God and/or those that say they hate Him, it is because they don't know Him and/or think that He hates them. Whether it is true or not, only God knows. Because if someone believes they can do all they can to destroy the lives of others because they hate God and believe that He loves them... Well all I gotta say is I am just happy I don't have that desire in me nor do I hate Him....nor do I want to hate anyone.<br />
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In conclusion, I think you can fail to preach the WHOLE Counsel of God whether you leave out the Love, which draws us to Him, and/or whether you leave out the Discipline, which also draws us to Him.

Very well put my friend. I'm sorry to make this a quick in &amp; out but I've been researching some interesting information that I hope to share tomorrow. I couldn't resist looking at this post first. Take care all

Oh, don't give it twice a thought. You take your time. We are in this journey for the long run. I am here when you need. And if not, the Lord is always there, so take rest in Him. I love you, Sweet Girl Friend. &lt;3

That's what I meant by it conceptualclarity. =) Thank you.

Those who do not say the names of the people they are judging against are the true cowards. Who hide behind the computer screen.

So was your judgement for the author of this post? :)

If the actual quote came from Gandhi, that doesn't really matter. The question is, does it accurately reflect the content of the Bible, which does say "Love your enemies..." It's like the fact that the word Trinity is not in the bible is irrelevant; the concept is clearly there.

It does matter in that people mistake it as being a Christian belief. It would be like someone mistaking the Trinity as being a Jehovah's Witness belief. I hope that made sense. :)

Could you elaborate more so I will be sure I understand?

I will try, thanks for asking! Although I believe I understand the heart of what you were saying, about reflecting the content in the Bible. I just mean when we say something or hear something, it should be spoke and heard in the right context. It does matter who said whatever is being said or not. It shouldn't make any more difference to you whether someone expresses the fact of the matter either, right? But I have already stated also that the quote doesn't completely express the truth in the Bible because God clearly states that He loves some (those who love Jesus and follow Him) and hates others (those who hate Him and rebel). He says Esau I hated and Isaac I loved. Hope that clears what I was saying up. :)

There are passages about God hating, for example several passages where He says He hates Israel because of her idolatrous infidelity. Yet He also says in Hosea that the Lord loves the sons of Israel even though they turn to other gods. Those whom God hates, He simultaneously loves, and He desires to see them come to repentance. Thus He brought to repentance the most wicked and destructive king of Judah, Mannasseh. God loves everyone, including those who have provoked Him to the point of hate. One should not say that one can't love and hate at the same time, because we humans do it all the time. As Christians it is not our job to try to figure out who has provoked God to the point of hate and proclaim that God hates that soul. What if we are wrong? To speak for God wrongly is a fearful thing. And we never see Jesus or any apostle telling people God hates them.
The Bible says God is love. It never says God is hate. We are ambassadors for Christ to effect a ministry of reconciliation between God and man (II Corinthians 5:18-20). Therefore we are to proclaim God's love for all.

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But that's cool---I didn't realize that was a Ghandi quote.

For the record, when I used the saying "God hates sin, not the sinner", I was not using it as a Bible quote, nor was I saying "thus saith the Lord"...God hating sin but not the sinner is what I believe. And I didn't realize I was supposed to quote John 3:16 &17 and then skip down to verse 36.

Right but what about the scriptures that state otherwise? It is clear that you cannot separate what someone chooses to do/say from the person making the choice. And we are not supposed to because the Word says when we do not correct our children when they do wrong, then we hate them and are (at least in part) the cause for them going to hell. Take the scripture pertaining to Isaac and Esau. God says clearly, Esau I hated and Isaac I loved. God loves those who love Him and live for Him, through Jesus. People will not go to hell because He loves them. People go to hell because they hated Him without reason and chose to love dark instead of the light. The Word says, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that WHOSOEVER believes in Him would not die (perish) but rather would have everlasting life." It stands to reason that anyone who does not love Him, would die and would not taste eternal life with Him. But what does it matter to those who could care less? It shouldn't, to say the least.

I wanted to add that I have used the "God hates the sin, not the sinner" also, not because I thought it was from the Bible per se, as I don't recall a verse following the saying but I agree that it is a belief that conveys the heart of God. He doesn't hate people without reason. I have read the reference about Esau and Jacob refers to the nation of Edom (Esau's descendants) in the same way that the term Israel often referred to the entire nation of Israel, not the individual (Ge 32:28). God was saying that He had rejected the nation of Edom and had chosen the nation of Israel. ****You can read more on that here.....

And I totally get where you are coming from, but I think the author is speaking about using scripture within context. A lot of people will quote "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." Some ways it is used out of context is when they try to say that God ONLY loves and He loves everyone, which is much so that Jesus came and died on the cross for sin BUT they seem (to some...may be true or not, depends on each person) to avoid the other scriptures which would to some give a more accurate picture of who God is, He is a God of Love and He is a God of Wrath. Blessings.