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Use And Abuse Of Scripture

The two most commonly used verses of scripture would be John 3:16 used as a panacea for the worlds ills, and Judge not least you be judged Matt. 7:1 used as some sort of method to deflect criticism even by those that call the Bible a fake.
Taken in isolation can and does set up a case for what the critics call contradiction.
Taking the time to compare John 3:16 with John 3:36 " He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life ; but the wrath of God abideth on him" two sides of the same coin.
At verse 6 of Matthew Chapter 7 is the statement " Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you" The only way to put this verse into practice requires judgment.
Judge not when put into context talks about hypocritical judgment particularly bretheren.
Another favorite among Bible quotes is Ephesians 2: 8-9: " For by grace are you save through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast"  Verse 10 for some reason, " For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them" seems irrelevant without explaination.
Christianity based only on those verses which are comfortable and good to highlight, divorced from inconvenient verses not only lead those that follow such practices into error but may lead others astray. The wrath of God needs to be taken more seriously.
" Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophecised in  thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works, and then I will profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye workers of iniquity" Matthew 7:22-23. False teachers are everywhere.
churinga churinga 70+, M 10 Responses Jul 11, 2010

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If someone simply wanted to justify their actions, there would be no need for the Bible. <br />
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People who read the word of God are usually looking to understand God and seeking him in his word.<br />
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At least that's the case with me. Sometimes it might look like a justification to someone who doesn't know what was going on the searching, praying, and learning that went into finding answers. <br />
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We were told to knock and he would open the door. <br />
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I don't believe God is looking for us to fear him. I think he is looking for us to love him. Which isn't to say that fear isn't a good and useful thing to have. <br />
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I am not sure what you say to a 12 year old who reads the Bible and concludes they are damned to hell and who pleads to God in prayer to be healed because he knows he just isn't right. He knows fear and he knows reverence. I suggest that he didn't know God.<br />
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I remember being that 12 year old child. I thank God for grace.<br />
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I thank him for loving me unconditionally. It took me some time to come to the conclusion that God desires peace and.mercy. <br />
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I am so glad he is a loving and merciful God. I can really appreciate what David felt when he said Gods rod and staff comforted him.<br />
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The rod and staff were guides to keep the sheep safe from harm...but even then if one gets lost the Bible teaches a good shepherd will leave the 99 to save the one.<br />
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Thank God! I am so glad I don't see a vengeful God but a loving warm hearted God who would save his servant Noah from the floods. <br />
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It will soon be like the days of Noah where we will all face judgement. Parents. Children. Grand parents. Every kind of <br />
Person. Yet like in the days of Noah, all they needed to do was hop on the ship.<br />
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Anyway sleeping...is what I need tonight

The easiest thing to do is to read the Bible out of context and use it to justify our actions. I think there should be due reverence and fear when we set out to read the Bible and then open our hearts to the Holy Spirit to speak to us.

yes tony verse1 do no harm to others anything elese is permitted. get over yourselves

Re Kris99.<br />
Thank you for your thoughts, if you are at peace with God then you have placed yourself in the correct postition, i cannot comment on something that is not mine.<br />
The matter of Church Discipline non the less still stands, i do not know your circumstances and whether you have been harshly treated or otherwise, we all must give account sometime in the future as individuals for our actions towards each other, if what we do gives glory to God then we have been obedient, 1 Corinthians 10:31 each must act according to the knowledge within him or her.

Interesting thoughts....here are some of mine.<br />
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Jesus has a lot to say on judging....here is some other less talked about things....<br />
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How to judge<br />
John 7:24<br />
http://read.ly/John7.24.KJV<br />
"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment"<br />
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What to do -<br />
Matthew 18:15-17<br />
http://read.ly/Matt18.15.KJV<br />
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.<br />
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and Paul talks about this topic too....<br />
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Romans 14:1<br />
http://read.ly/Rom14.1.CEV<br />
1 Welcome all the Lord’s followers, even those whose faith is weak. Don’t criticize them for having beliefs that are different from yours.<br />
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I think often on Matthew 7...I like how the CEV puts verse 1 and 2.<br />
1 Don’t condemn others, and God won’t condemn you. 2 God will be as hard on you as you are on others! He will treat you exactly as you treat them.<br />
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If you ask me the absolute worst act of inequity ... evil that can be committed by a person is to cause someone who seeks God to turn away from faith and reject him because they feel rejected. When the Church is the physical voice of God the church has that power and it is exercised regularly. <br />
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Many in the Church would reject me because I am trans. They would say I choose a sin that puts me at odds with myself, a sin against my own body. They would say like an addict using a drug, I sin. <br />
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I would say it's true that sin is at work in who I am but it is a function of the original sin which has caused my gender to be at odds with my physical body. Much like someone who has an intersex condition or an extra chromosome...I was broke at birth and have been off from the standard ever since. I could tell you I once thought it was a choice and an addiction and that I spent years in therapy and in prayer to God trying and begging for a cure. I could tell you that when I broke and accepted I was trans it was to God who I confessed it and that what I heard was a loving acceptance and this would be true....<br />
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Who is right? Who can judge? Only God. <br />
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If someone judges someone and condemns them...then they may be the ones Jesus casts away. If someone is like me and is making choices that God expects them to control then they will be the ones cast away. I have to accept that. While I have faith that Jesus loves me and that I am not sinning in this (I have other areas that I know I need to work on still)...I choose faith in Jesus knowing I may still be condemned as a worker of inequity. <br />
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I wonder though....do those that would stand in judgement of me and others like me in the church know it could be them? Are they prepared to stand before Jesus and be rebuked?<br />
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Do they think on this? They should.<br />
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While I would forgive any who would judge me, some will not.

Churinga, sorry if it seemed like I was replying as if it was aimed at me. I wasn't. Just sharing my own thoughts. Perhaps the number of comments I left made it seem that way too---it would have all been in one comment, except I wrote as I thought of it, and there was a bit of space between each thought. Yes, it does tie into things discussed before, and maybe that is part of the reason I responded, but I did not take it as aimed completely at me. Sorry---it's hard to tell someone's tone online---both my own and others'.

Re Briesk07.<br />
For some reason known only to yourself you have taken what has been written personally, which is simply not case.<br />
This post was in response to a private message, (not from you) in relation to another posting in another group, simple as that. I have already stated the case that salvation and works can be confused.<br />
As to judging others my post regarding local church discipline in another group produced the private message. Church Discipline is a Biblical fact the fact it is hardly practiced these days does not in itself make it of little importance. 1 COR 5 covers immorality where someone was having a relationship with their stepmother verse 12 relates to judging within the local congregation. Chapter 6 verse 6 continues the notion of discipline amongst the bretheren.If i inadvertently hit a nerve then i am sorry there was nothing aimed at you personally.

Or, another way of negatively judging someone would be to think because they are a certain type of person or do a certain thing, then they're not saved...or that they are saved.

As for Matthew 7:1, many people interpret this in different ways, as with many other Bible verses. Here, I'd just like to point out (to everyone), that there is a difference between judging as in condemning and/or assuming a position that is not ours to take on our own (2 Timothy 4:8 says the Lord is the righteous Judge). But there is also the kind of judgment that is more equal to discernment---being able to tell what is right and wrong, that kind of thing.

Quoting verse 10 of Ephesians 2 doesn't make Ephesians 8&9 any less true. To me, Eph. 2:8&9 teach that one cannot get into heaven by his/her own good deeds. When one is talking about salvation by grace, those verses support that. It's no crime not to quote verse 10 along with it, and I don't look at not quoting verse 10 as trying to hide an "inconvenient" side of Christianity.