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By: Army0917
Written on April 28th, 2012
By: Army0917
Age: 26-30 , Male
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    LaughingCavalier

    The whole definition of what is and is not natural is an artifical human construction. There was a greek philosopher who said that nothing humans do can ever be unnatural. The reason being that humans are the product of nature and therefore part of nature - just in the same way as animals. Therefore all human behaviour is by definition natural & it is simply human arrogance that leads us to believe we are capable of behaviour outside of the realm of nature.



    Homosexuality, bisexuality and heterosexuality all emerge in much the same way for many people - i.e. these are feelings that simply develop as people enter their teens. People hold homosexual attractions for the same reason people have heterosexual attractions.



    In my opinion a complex combination of factors shape our behaviour - genetic, biological and behavioural. People do not chose to have feelings of homosexual attraction any more than people chose to have feelings of heterosexual attraction - these are things that people feel, not things that can be consciously chosen in the same way as we might chose to buy a particular pair of shoes in a shop.



    The Bible does, in my opinion, contain fairly clear condemnation of homosexual acts. It also contains a lot of other unpleasant things that pretty much reflect what you would expect an ancient near eastern culture to have believed some 2000-2500 years ago. It is a product of the people who wrote it. That is why slavery is tolerated and women are often seen as secondary in social rank to men and the Israelites are sometimes portrayed acting fairly xenophobically in their dealings with their imediate neighbours.



    These are the words of men who lived thousands of years ago. Not the words of any god.

    Sep 13, 2012
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      Army0917

      Then that is your opinion. My view is that homosexuality is a sin, the same stance that the Bible and God take. I don't claim to know the inward mechanics of sin, but I do know that as humans we have a sinful nature we are born with as a result of being descended from Adam. Homosexuality is one of those sins, and in that sense, someone can be born with a predisposition to homosexuality just as one can be born with a predisposition to any other sin. Nonetheless, it's still a sin. God didn't make them that way. He made their body, but they received their spiritual nature from their human father.

      If I'm not careful, I have sins that I fall into more easily than others. It has nothing to do with my genetics and everything to do with my spirit. After receiving the Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ there was a night and day difference, and I've been growing in that for over 10 years. I can now resist those sins when I couldn't before, and no one had to tell me what I was doing was a sin because the Holy Spirit convicted me. The same can be true for homosexuals. If they repent and turn to Christ then they can have freedom from the power of sin.

      I'm not going to get into any debates over your opinion, but I do plan on eventually addressing it in detail in another post.

      Sep 14, 2012
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      LaughingCavalier

      Of course, I am not a Christian and so theological approaches to defining the nature of man have little relevance or meaning for me personally.

      Where I feel your views are potentially dangerous and harmful is in the idea that the "power of the holy spirit" can enable people to resist "sin", where, in this case you are actually talking about sexuality and sexual desires.

      It is true to say that some people are (whether gay or straight or whatever) better able to cope with a celibate existence than others and can succeed in doing so given the right motivation. However, I do not for one minute believe that most people could pursue such a life without considerable difficulty and, in many cases, without being downright miserable.

      Having a rule that lays down in fairly dogmatic terms that someone is never allowed to enjoy a sexual relationship (or if they do they will face eternal damnation) seems to me to be a recipe for disaster in terms of the mental health of those people to whom such a law applies.

      Indeed, there have been many instances of gay people trying to lead such a life and swallowing the idea that the holy spirit can somehow take away their sexual desires or perhaps even change them. Unfortunately this often leads to desperate frustration and unhappiness and even a sense of bewilderment when the "change" just does not come.

      In some cases this even leads to people being driven to suicide, such as in this example (which I will link to rather than spam):

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayers_for_Bobby

      That lends a certain dark side to your religion which I personally find very distasteful.

      Sep 18, 2012
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      Army0917

      I have no issue with sexual desires. God built sexual desire into humans and was meant to only be expressed between men and women, not men/men or woman/woman. The sin lies in sexual relations outside of marriage between a man and a woman. I've been celibate for almost 2 1/2 years now and the only woman I've ever had sex with was my ex wife.

      It is through the Holy Spirit that I'm able to resist sinning by engaging in sexual relations outside of marriage. He does not "take away" the desires but he does give you a new nature through which you can decide to live in. I feel as though I should clarify something here: Homosexuals are not in danger of eternal damnation because of their professed sexual orientation. Instead, they are in danger because they refuse to turn from their sin and trust in Jesus Christ. Pride is the reason they are in danger.

      Getting back to the idea of changing, homosexuality does not come from God, it is actually one of the natural courses sin takes. How does someone who has an issue with any sin fix the issue? Romans 12:2 says "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." and Psalm 119:9 says "Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word." Trusting in Christ by faith is only the start. After salvation God expects those in Christ to grow in the faith. The more you grow spiritually the more God will pour joy and abundance into your life. The closer you get to God through Jesus Christ, the happier you'll be.

      The things of this life that the world offers, i.e. material things and sin, can never satisfy and you always want more. With Christ, he satisfies completely. Other than a few things I would like to have, I have no interest in getting the "latest and greatest". I even know that the things I would like to get won't satisfy me. Even now I don't have much money, I'm not in a relationship and I'm in debt. But nonetheless, I'm content in my present situation because I know that I will not lack in anything because God is my shepherd. He takes care of me.

      Those that profess homosexuality can have what I have, and all they have to do is put aside their pride, turn away from their sin and trust in Jesus Christ. Will there be struggles? Yes there will, and I know because I still struggle with the sins that I used to enjoy and I've been saved for about 10 years. Sin doesn't disappear overnight.

      I would also like to clarify in closing that I don't have a "religion," I have a "relationship" with Jesus Christ. There is a big difference. Religion requires you to do works in order to earn favor with whatever being you worship, but Christ says "It is finished," meaning that all you have to do is believe. Christ already did all the work and made having a relationship with God as easy as one decision. An honest and true understanding of both the Old and New Testament viewed in the right context will reveal a loving God who desired to restore his relationship with us. But along side that love for us, he is also holy and just. Because of that he has to judge sin. There is no difference between God in the Old and New Testaments. There is not a "dark side" to Christianity in it's true form. The only "darkness" comes when sinful humans twist scripture to teach something not taught in the Bible.

      Sep 18, 2012
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    gumshoejane2

    Meh, As a Christian we are not to judge. We are to live as Jesus lived; with compassion, mercy and love for EVERYONE.

    The bible having been penned thousands of years ago and having been (likely) misinterpreted by us mortal and sinful souls. I choose to follow Jesus's teachings and example. The lord loved and accepted all.

    Jul 27, 2012
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      Army0917

      I can tell you right now that you're totally missing the point of Matthew 7:1, which I know is the verse you're referring to. The "judging" Christ is talking about is being "judgmental" or judging motive or the inner man, which only God can know.

      If you look at Matthew 7:15-16, we are commanded to know others by the fruit of their life, and judgment is necessary for that. Yes, Christians are to love unconditionally, but in no way are we to condone sin in any way. If you are a Christian you would understand God's holiness and his stance on sin, and share it.

      On a final note, God is perfectly capable of preserving his word and he is also perfectly capable of equipping those who believe on him with the ability to understand his word. Have a little more faith.

      Jul 27, 2012
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      conceptualclarity

      Jane, tell me please. There was a guy named Greenbare. Did you as a Christian not judge him? You said you were out to drive him off EP. How do you reconcile that with what you said here?

      Jul 30, 2012
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      gumshoejane2

      Point taken.

      Jul 30, 2012
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    conceptualclarity

    Airion, your profile says "Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes." But you want to take away the freedom of people who disagree with you on homosexuality. That's hypocritical. I live in a free country, the US. Yours is a country where only politically correct speech is allowed. That's not something to be proud of.

    Jul 26, 2012
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    Airion

    You poor misguided people, this post disgusts me to the very core. IT IS NATURAL and IT IS A PREDISPOSITION, the difference is you see it as wrong for no reason at all.. you judge a group of people who HAVE ALWAYS EXISTED and ALWAYS WILL DO.. this truly saddens me that supposedly people who take the moral high ground will judge someone for who they love. I tried to refrain from posting but this sort of hate speech should not be allowed.

    Jul 26, 2012
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      hebrews132

      Why is it when people say things others disagree with it being hateful or racist? The truth is not always pleasant or kind. We don't judge you, God has judged it. God says it is sin, and we can not call right what God has called wrong.. The reason is a very good reason.....God said so. God ways and thoughts are higher than ours.

      Jul 26, 2012
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      Airion

      No they aren't you just think they are. God is a concept, there is no evidence of him. Therefore you cannot judge real time, real life situations with it. I doubt a court would accept murder on the grounds that the bible says gay people should be stoned to death or killed.

      Jul 26, 2012
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      Army0917

      I'm sorry you feel this is hate speech, but you are mistaken. Just because I disagree with someone doesn't make it hate speech. I speak the truth and it always leaves a sick feeling to those who practice or take pleasure in others practicing sin. Homosexuality is a perversion of the natural order that God ordained. It has not existed from the beginning and one day it will no longer exist because God is holy and will do away with all iniquity in his timing. Contrary to your belief, the Bible is time tested and has passed with flying colors. It's funny that you bring up the Law, because I've been preparing a study on it and I hope to post it as soon as I finish it. The Law is really great when you understand it in its true context.

      Jul 26, 2012
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      conceptualclarity

      Nobody here is advocating murdering homosexuals, Airion. You want to murder freedom by outlawing speech of those who disagree with you.

      By the way, they finished the Human Genome Project and didn't find any "gay gene."

      Jul 26, 2012
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      Airion

      That was mapping the base genetic structure of a human, it has not recorded every single genetic difference. Do your research.

      Jul 26, 2012
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      Airion

      Actually the original post does quote bible verses which state the MURDER of innocent people. It is a perversion in YOUR eyes, and also it is HATE. If you were to speak about someone of another race in such a way you would be arrested

      Jul 26, 2012
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      Army0917

      Homosexuals are not innocent, they are guilty of perverting God's standard of sexuality being only between men and women. And that is not hate, it is the truth, sorry you can't handle it. I'll give you a quick lesson since you obviously don't get it - the Law, while it is God's standard, was given to Israel, for the purpose of keeping the land they lived in pure and undefiled. The land belonged to God, and God didn't want sin to dwell in his land. Sin was dealt with on the spot and yes, the guilty parties were often executed. Homosexuality was not alone in this: murder, adultery, rebellion and other sins were on this list as well. But like I said, the Law was given to Israel, and it was part of Israel's covenant with God. As a Gentile and as a Christian, I am not under the Law because Christ fulfilled the Law, but at the same time I study the Law because I want to know more about God, and in studying the Law I know that God sees homosexuality as an abomination. It's funny how you mention race in this because sexuality and race have absolutely nothing in common. And to answer your other point, I have done my research in the area of genetics and I have yet to find any concrete evidence of a "gay" gene. Even with the genes scientists are targeting, the variations they look at do not occur in all of the individuals participating in the study, even among brothers who are gay. You know what that tells me? It tells me that the genes they are looking at are not responsible for human sexuality, and that they still have no proof that a "gay" gene exists.

      Jul 26, 2012
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      hebrews132

      Stoning to death, that is in the bible under the law. We are not under the law, as Jesus fulfilled the law and set us under grace. Jesus, nor any true follower/disciple of His would not advocate stoning, but repentance.

      Jul 27, 2012
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      gypsyblu

      ( the genes scientists are targeting, the variations they look at )

      this is interesting, what genes are they looking at? what are the variations?

      Jul 27, 2012
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      Army0917

      The article I read mentioned three chromosomes: 7,8, and 10. The "variation" was a common "cluster" with these chromosomes that appeared with 60% of the men in the study. Common sense tells me that if it doesn't occur in 100% of those in the study, then the premise is wrong. If something was cause it would happen every time.

      Jul 27, 2012
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    prodigarl

    hi. just want to say that this is one of my favorite stories. thank you so much for posting this. . . don't have time to comment much, but this story affirmed just about what i've been struggling with weeks ago. . . thanks again.

    May 10, 2012
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      Army0917

      Thanks for sharing this. It's encouraging to know that the things I share are helping others :)

      May 10, 2012
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    churinga

    There is a pattern that does become obvious when these subjects are raised as to living in any particular sin.

    And that is where the OSAS doctrine is raised i have seen on many occassions in a variety of moral situations where this doctrine has been as a means of support.

    The brother here and myself have in times past raised the issue of OSAS and i can't go along with the notion that people living is sin simply are not saved.

    Shall we continue in sin so grace can abound, God forbid

    May 5, 2012
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    Intelligently

    I was pointed to this story a bit ago and after reading it and reading the comments, I have to say that there are a lot of valid points offered up and this conversation is important for all Christians.



    Like conceptualclarity, I agree with the better part of what you wrote. However, the Bible does declare homosexuality to be especially foul in the sight of the Lord. That said, I also agree that there is no "bias to declare homosexuality as the worst of all sins." I myself and many other believers as well as the New Testament make it clear that any sexual sin, including heterosexual fornication before marriage, is forbidden -- *especially* within the church itself. Nowhere does the Bible or Christianity claim that homsexuality is an "unforgivable sin". Every sin is forgivable, if the person repents of it.



    Like churinga pointed out, homosexuality is one of the few sins that people will literally try to marry with their Christianity. They aren't just "Christians", they are "Christian homosexuals" or "Christian Transgenders", etc. They not only want to have their sin, but they want to be *proud* of that sin while simultaneously putting for the notion that they have absolutely no control over their sexual orientation. Since when it something we have no control over a good reason to be prideful in ourselves? So their message is a conflicting one in the strongest sense of the term.



    These days, homosexuality is been polarized more and more. Those who support it do so (as you said) regardless of its being "right or wrong". They feel that people in general should have a right to live however they want to live, and yet where do we as a people draw the line? Homosexuality was once a criminal act. Now, it is not. Has it changed? Or have we as a people changed a mindset? And will we continue to "open" our collective minds to other sexually provocative acts in the future, such as inc*st, ped*phelia or b*stiality? It's a valid question, because if whatever we want to do is okay as long as the other party seems to willfully wish to engage in that act with us, and as long as we claim that we "can't help it, it's just how we're wired", what's to stop us from making these other forbidden forms of sexuality legal?



    It seems like an absurd comparison though, especially to homosexuals who reject any attempt to place them in the same category as say, a p*dopheliac, because even *they* have rules of what they believe is "right", "ok", or "unholy" and so in a way, they are not at all unlike those who oppose homosexuality for the same reasons. The defining factor therefore, must be Biblical. If our opinions are prone to change, as Christians, we have to WILLFULLY accept the Lords guidance on issues involving all aspects of our lives, whether we like it or not, because Gods Word never changes. Civilizations rise, evolve and die, but the God and the Bible are eternally present and true.



    People will almost always try to find a way to validate their choices, especially the ones that are questionable. When I was living in sin with my past boyfriends, I rarely ever really believed that it was that big of a deal. I felt like surely, the Lord understood that I just loved the person and that they loved me, and that based on this, He wouldn't judge me harshly. Besides, we did *eventually* want to get married. But this is the deception. We see throughout the Bible that God is holy and we read of His feelings on matters regarding all areas of our lives, but when we're actually in the middle of our sin, we are blinded to the reality of its true danger and it's difficult for us to open our eyes, ears or hearts to anyone who would dare to remind us that this behavior we're engaging in is -not- acceptable. Usually, it isn't until we're out of the sin and able to look back at it that we sigh a prayer of relief and gratitude that somehow, we found a way to get past that issue.



    Homosexuals who leave the homosexual lifestyle in favor of obedience to Gods word almost always feel the same way. I'm not referring to homosexuals, bisexuals or transgenders who "try to deny their desires" and "try to please Christians". I'm referring to the ones who seek the Lord genuinely, praying for grace and choosing willfully to obey what God has already stated clearly within the scripture regarding their sexual orientation. These people are not praying to have God "either take it away from them or help them to embrace it", because really, that is a silly argument. That would be like a person who is missing a leg chopping off the other one and saying, "Well when I discovered that I only had one leg, I prayed and sought God to either give me back my leg or to help me embrace not having it, so since God didn't give me the leg back, it has become clear to me that He never meant for me to have a leg at all."



    When a person in sin repents, it is not just asking forgiveness, but a turning away from that sin. Jesus loves ALL sinners! All of us! I know so many Christians who have gone through some very spiritually dark times where they left their faith for a while and got completely submerged in sin. I'm one of those people! But the Lord has restored me, even though some of the "desires" to do things that are sinful have never left. Occasionally, I still get the urge to go out partying, not because I have a craving to sin but because it was fun and I enjoyed it at the time. These days however, I have learned to live day by day with Gods grace which is ALL sufficient and new every single morning. And those involved in other sins, including homosexuality, *can* do the same. If they choose not to, it is their choice, but the consequences will also be theirs to face when the day of reckoning comes.



    For this reason, we must never forget to pray for those caught up in sin. They -are- deceived. They cannot see past their sin unless God reaches out to them and many times, He will use one us to do so. If we lay hands on the sin of the person we're trying to help by in any way condoning or excusing it, we are making ourselves partner in that sin, and that is possibly worse than actually committing the sin ourselves.



    God has given every person on earth all that they need in order to live a life that is pleasing in His sight. He sent His Word. He sent His Son. He sent us a Comforter. And He has raised up strong messengers and leaders along the way. If after all of this, we still refuse to obey, we have no one to blame but ourselves. As Christians, we are our brothers keepers. We are responsible for reaching out to the world with the same kind of compassion that Jesus had when reaching out to them. But within the church, if a Christian refuses to put away their sin, it is not advised to just allow them to have their cake and eat it too. So what does the Bible say about sexual sin *inside* the Church? The following scripture states that plainly. If we confront the person and they still refuse to put away that sin, here is the guidance we are given:



    1 Cr 5:6 Your glorying [is] not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?



    1Cr 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:



    1Cr 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened [bread] of sincerity and truth.



    1Cr 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:



    1Cr 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.



    1Cr 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.



    1Cr 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?



    1Cr 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.



    Let God be true, and every man a liar.

    May 5, 2012
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      Army0917

      Well said, I appreciate the comment :)

      May 5, 2012
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      Intelligently

      And likewise, I appreciated this story. Whether or not it has been shared this way before, it was delivered with love and compassion and I pray that its message reaches those who need to hear it.

      May 5, 2012
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      conceptualclarity

      Good comment.

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    conceptualclarity

    Very good story.



    I agree very much with the first four paragraphs of WilliamC's comment, except the first sentence. There is no "bias to declare homosexuality as the worst of all sins." I have never heard any Christian suggest homosexual conduct is as bad as murder. As for premarital sex, I would think that the consensus view is that practicing that is entirely incompatible with being right with God. I think if you have loved ones who are living that way, you need to be fasting and praying for them as though they had never been saved.



    There is criticism that Christians are guilty of an unseemly obsession with homosexuality. This fails to take into account the context. The decadent culture of the world dislikes our rejection of premarital sex. But they are less offended by that than by our rejection of homosexuality. The reason is clear. Premarital sex is practiced by vastly more people than homosexuality, so there is less felt need to make strenuous efforts to vindicate it. The heavy pressure being applied to Christians is not to condone premarital sex, but to condone homosexuality. THAT is why Christians have felt the need to speak out on the issue of homosexuality. In the first half of my life, I went to a Baptist church, and I don't believe I ever heard homosexuality mentioned. The reason was because the great cultural push for approval of homosexuality had not yet arrived. If the world culture were not obsessed with homosexuality, Christians would be quite content to give the subject far less attention.



    I want all Christians to be ready at the drop of a hat to give loving assistance to homosexuals who want to get right with God and to Christians who struggle with same-sex attraction. But I do not agree that from now on our approach to homosexuality should be dominated by a hangdog mentality about mishandling of the issue of homosexuality on our part; that would muffle the truth we must proclaim. Of course we have handled the issue of homosexuality imperfectly, because we are imperfect. What have we not handled imperfectly? We can't be spending all our time apologizing rather than articulating the truth.

    May 4, 2012
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    19lana69

    I really enjoyed reading this post and these comments. In the past I had lesbian relationships. Then one day a Pastor came knocking, I got baptised and received the Holy Spirit. I never looked back, it seemed another world away. Long story but I ended up walking away from my church and gradually those desires sneaked back. I haven't acted upon them but was thinking I must be a lesbian after all. I'm sure I'm convicted of the Holy Spirit about this 'issue', because I it doesn't feel right and sometimes make me feel ill thinking about it and so have been beating myself up over it. After reading this I can relate to it. And am now thinking maybe I'm just struggling with this issue. I have no Christian friends around me, I have just been living in the flesh. But thank you all for writing in this post. It is the message I needed to read.

    Apr 30, 2012
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      libertybalanced

      I appreciate you sharing your struggle, no matter how different it maybe from mine. I've always felt when we share,it not only can help another, it also helps others no what your prayer needs are.

      Apr 30, 2012
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      Army0917

      Even after salvation, we still have our old nature to struggle with. I'm no exception. I have my own weaknesses and struggles as I fight against my old nature. If I can encourage you with anything, it would be to not beat yourself up to bad if you find yourself being tempted. I beat myself up sometimes, but I have to realize that as I'm not free from the presence of sin these kind of things are bound to happen, but when they do happen, I (and any other Christian) can ask for forgiveness and Jesus will be faithful and forgive us. Thank you for the comment, I'll be praying!

      May 1, 2012
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      conceptualclarity

      Please be sure and get in Christian fellowship where you can get some Christian friends.

      May 4, 2012
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      Intelligently

      I too want to thank you for sharing your struggle and for being open to the truth of the matter. It is evidence that God is present and actively working in your life. He has a wonderful plan for you, and He will continue to guide you towards that plan if you remain open to Him. I want to encourage you, because I know how difficult it can be struggle over what seems to be a part of who you are. But God has healed me from so many things I once accepted as just being "me" so I can tell you with honesty that you don't always have to bear that burden. He can heal you inside, and He will always be faithful to complete the work He's begun within you. I'm going to try to remember to keep you in my prayers. God bless you!

      May 5, 2012
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    WilliamC

    There is a bias to declare homosexuality as the worst of all sins. Though the Bible teaches that homosexuality is "unnatural and immoral" (Romans 1:26-27), in no sense does the Bible describe homosexuality as an unforgivable sin. Nor does the Bible teach that homosexuality is a sin Christians will never struggle against.

    I think the key teaching in the question of whether it is possible to be a gay Christian is “struggle against.” It is possible for a Christian to struggle with homosexual temptations. There are many who become Christians have ongoing struggles with homosexual feelings and desires. Some strongly heterosexual men and women have experienced a “lure” of homosexual interest at some point in their lives. Whether or not these desires and temptations exist does not determine whether a person is a Christian. The Bible is clear that no Christian is sinless (1 John 1:8, 10). While the specific sin / temptation is different from one Christian to another, all Christians have struggles with sin, and all Christians sometimes fail in those struggles (1 Corinthians 10:13).



    Is it possible to be a gay Christian? If we are saying “gay Christian” refers to a person who struggles against homosexual desires and temptations, then I think , a “gay Christian” is possible. However, the description “gay Christian” is not accurate for such a person, since he/she does not desire to be gay, and is struggling against the temptations. Such a person is not a “gay Christian,” but rather is simply a struggling Christian, just as there are Christians who struggle with fornication, lying, and stealing. If the phrase “gay Christian” refers to a person who actively, perpetually, and unrepentantly lives a homosexual lifestyle, it is not possible for such a person to truly be a Christian.

    What sets apart Christian’s life from a non-Christian’s life is the struggle against sin. The Christian life is a progressive journey of overcoming the “acts of the flesh” (Galatians 5:19-21) and allowing God’s Spirit to produce the “fruit of the Spirit” (Galatians 5:22-23). Yes, Christians sin, sometimes horribly. Sadly, sometimes Christians are indistinguishable from non-Christians. However, a true Christian will always come to repent, will always eventually return to God, and will always resume the struggle against sin. But the Bible gives no support for the idea that a person who perpetually and unrepentantly engages in sin can indeed be a Christian. Focus on 1 Corinthians 6:11; "And that is what some of you WERE. But you WERE washed, you WERE sanctified, you WERE justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." (all caps are added by me).



    Preceding the verse refereed to above are verses 9-10 that lists sins, if indulged in continuously, identify a person as not being redeemed, not being a Christian. Often, homosexuality is singled out from this list. If a person struggles with homosexual temptations, that person is presumed to be unsaved. If a person actually engages in homosexual acts, that person is definitely thought to be unsaved. However, the same assumptions are not made, at least not with the same emphasis, regarding other sins in the list: fornication (pre-marital sex), idolatry, adultery, thievery, covetousness, alcoholism, slander, and deceit. It is inconsistent, for example, to declare those guilty of pre-marital sex as “disobedient Christians,” while declaring homosexuals definitively non-Christians. We are to live out the the redemption we have and be conformed to the image of Christ (Romans 8:28-30), and no be conformed to this world (Romans 12:2) as well as not being conformed to the past (1 Peter 1: 13-15).

    Grace and peace.

    Apr 29, 2012
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      RitaRee

      very well said here :)

      Apr 29, 2012
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      Army0917

      I agree that sin is sin no matter how you look at it, but how many sins does God point to and say "That's an abomination"? Not many. But in any case, I could take any sin and do the same thing I did with homosexuality. As you clearly pointed out, some of the Christians at Corinth were clearly homosexuals before salvation, so I definitely agree that one can receive forgiveness if they repent and turn from it. I think you hit it right on the mark when you said that the "struggle" is what sets apart Christians from non-believers. I have my own sin that I struggle against, and I hate the sin. I would be worried if I didn't have that struggle and conviction from the Holy Spirit any time that temptation came up. Thanks for your comment, I appreciate it.

      Apr 29, 2012
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    Christyna

    @ ricki: For persons who are born again and have the Spirit of God living in them and whose Spirit is alive, we KNOW that the Bible was written by the Holy Spirit through men. God confirms it and His word says it. I am sorry you choose to surpress the truth.



    1 John 10:12 But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God. They are reborn! This is not a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan - this rebirth comes from God.



    1 Corin 15:22 For as in Adam all died, so in Christ all will be made alive. Through Adam, we're Spiritually dead but through Christ we become Spiritually alive.

    Apr 28, 2012
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    rickibrat2

    you have no idea as the book was written by humans and changed to suit ther and church needs at the tme

    Apr 28, 2012
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      Army0917

      Sure I do, and the while the Bible was penned by human hands God is the author. Humans didn't change it to suit their needs, that's an empty argument that has no grounds. Doctrines and opinions may have changed, but the Word of God has remained unchanged.

      Apr 28, 2012
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      Intelligently

      Amen, Army! It's a matter of faith.

      May 5, 2012
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    Christyna

    It doesn't matter if it's natural/genetic or not, it's wrong! I am a recovering alcoholic, genetically predispositioned. For me to drink it's a sin because it hurts myself and others. And because God said it's wrong! So there's a genetic component involved to my alcoholism and it's still a sin and still wrong in God's eyes for me to drink. Bottom line sin is sin no matter the cause.

    Apr 28, 2012
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      Army0917

      No argument here. I'm just saying that I don't believe it's genetic in nature. I agree that sin is sin and God will give the grace to overcome it.

      Apr 28, 2012
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      libertybalanced

      amen !!!

      Apr 30, 2012
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      Intelligently

      Beautifully stated, Christyna!

      May 5, 2012
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      prodigarl

      ^_^ Sin is sin and God will give the grace to overcome it. ^_^ ---thanks.

      May 7, 2012
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    churinga

    What you have written has been used before and i will take the point about honing n on what has become a single issue for some Christians often called gay bashing.

    The matters raised include other things that can be called sins.

    We are often confronted by those men and women who refer to themselves as gay Christians, bi-Christians, or trans gender Christians and a lot of flak will follow.

    To my knowledge i cannot recall in this group or any other place where anyone has publicly claimed to be any of the following.

    A Christian fornicator, Christian adulterer, Christian thief, Christian drunkard , Christian extortioner, and any other sin you like to mention and be proud of it.

    Apr 28, 2012
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      Army0917

      Really? I don't remember reading about analyzing love and attraction, but there are a lot of things written in here so I guess I could have missed it. I agree, a lot of flak does follow, but that's no excuse to deviate from the truth, and no Christian can truly be a Christian and boast in something the Bible says is sin.

      May 1, 2012
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      fukkboii

      and GOD does classify sin against the body as the worst kind... and homosexuality as an abomination... it's unnatural and against GOD, whose idea was creation. the same sex can't procreate. the flesh cries out to justify its selfishness, but let the truth reign free. i applaud ur honesty and insight and courage to stand for what's right... especially in ep where anything goes. i am a woman and my avatar and username have their own meaning... i've left them behind and have assumed my true identity but i came across ur story while responding to someone and didn't feel like logging out and back in again... so please don't judge me. homosexuality is anti-worship... plain and simple...

      Jul 5, 2012
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