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False Christian known as ........ YOU HAVEMYPERMISSION

i wrote this about YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION AND MAYBE  HE WILL READ IT..... WHY?  HE IS A FALSE CHRISTIAN... AND HERE IS A EXAMPLE OF WHAT HE AND ANOTHER MAN WHO LIKES TO BELITTLE OTHERS FOR  NOT HAVING THE SAME FAITH AS THEY DO, EXAMPLE...>  

just because Jane has a different view
doesn't mean she has insulted, as you put it > ever american meaning>>>> every
American.   

You really are a great fool...  
gypsy> no she is not! she is a good Christian women...

so again whatever you say is baseless, .............
 gypsy>no, it is baseless to you! not her! you  want her to feel / believe that it is, but it is not ...   


 So you are a Bible-denying "Christian".Basically you confirmed everything you sayis baseless...............  

 gypsy...>once again she is a goodChristian, and just because she doesn't
follow ur beliefs doesn't make her wrong or you right. 


you also just insulted God.....................
gypsy..>no she has not...  

great response to a hard head feminist like  this.  
gypsy>>she is far from a hard headed fem..........


she has her beliefs and she stands by them with dignity.  why do you want every one to believe what
you believe?? makes no sense!! non !!  
we are all different, what a sad boring lot we
would all be, if we all lived and spoke and
believed the same!!   in America we have the right to believe our
own faith in life.   have you for gotten our own history ????
the reasons why our ancestors boarded up
oN ships to sail to a new land ???

was to pursue religious freedom...and you
Both are denying Jane that freedom right
here on e/p   grant you Jane is not from America, but I
know punnish is...


YOUHAVEMYPERMISSION TO READ THE scripture BELOW  youhavemypermission  LOL LOLOLOL


2 Corinthians 11:13-15 ESV /
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.




2 Timothy 3:5 ESV /
Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

Matthew 7:15 ESV /
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.


Matthew 7:21-23 ESV /
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’




Titus 1:16 ESV / They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.


John 8:44 ESV /
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


1 John 4:1 ESV /
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.


John 1:1-51 ESV /
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. ...



2 Thessalonians 2:1-17 ESV /
Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? ...


Romans 5:18 ESV /
Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.


Acts 17:11 ESV /
Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

John 13:35 ESV
By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”


Mark 6:11 ESV /
And if any place will not receive you and they will not listen to you, when you leave, shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against them.”


Matthew 13:36-43 ESV /
Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels. Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. ...


Revelation 21:8 ESV /But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Revelation 20:1-15 ESV /
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while. Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. ...




Revelation 17:1-18 ESV /
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great prostitute who is seated on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality, and with the wine of whose sexual immorality the dwellers on earth have become drunk.” And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality. And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth's abominations.” ...




2 Peter 2:1-3 ESV /
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.


2 Peter 2:1 ESV /
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.




1 Timothy 6:20 ESV /
O Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you. Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called “knowledge,”




John 3:16 ESV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.




John 1:14 ESV /
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.




John 1:1 ESV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


Matthew 16:18 ESV /
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.




Matthew 13:24-30 ESV /
He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away. So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’ He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ So the servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ ...


Revelation 12:5 ESV /
She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne,


2 Timothy 3:16 ESV /
All scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,



Galatians 5:1-26 ESV /
For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. ...


Acts 20:29 ESV
I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;


Matthew 7:15-20 ESV /
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. ...


Matthew 7:1-29 ESV /
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. ...




Jeremiah 14:14 ESV And the Lord said to me: “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds.




Genesis 2:17 ESV /
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”


Genesis 1:27 ESV /
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.


Revelation 22:18-19 ESV /
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.


Revelation 21:1 ESV /
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.


Revelation 20:13 ESV /
And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.

Revelation 20:11-15 ESV /
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.




Revelation 18:4 ESV /
Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;


Revelation 13:1-18 ESV /
And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?” And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. ...




Revelation 12:4 ESV /
His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it.


Revelation 5:9 ESV /
And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation,

1 John 5:13 ESV /
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:7 ESV /
For there are three that testify:

1 John 4:3 ESV /
And every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

2 Peter 1:21 ESV / 3
For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

1 Peter 3:18 ESV /
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,

1 Peter 1:25 ESV /
But the word of the Lord remains forever.” And this word is the good news that was preached to you.

Hebrews 13:8 ESV /
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Hebrews 10:12 ESV /
But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,

2 Timothy 4:2-4 ESV / 3
Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.


2 Timothy 3:1-17 ESV /
But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. ...


2 Timothy 2:15 ESV /
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

2 Timothy 2:2 ESV /
And what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.

1 Timothy 3:16 ESV /3
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV /
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Ephesians 2:8 ESV / 3
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

Ephesians 1:13 ESV /
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

Galatians 2:4 ESV /
Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in—who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery—

2 Corinthians 11:13 ESV /
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.

2 Corinthians 11:1-33 ESV
I wish you would bear with me in a little foolishness. Do bear with me! For I feel a divine jealousy for you, since I betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ. But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. Indeed, I consider that I am not in the least inferior to these super-apostles. ...

2 Corinthians 10:5 ESV
We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,

2 Corinthians 6:17 ESV /
Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you,

1 Corinthians 15:47 ESV
The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven.

1 Corinthians 14:33 ESV
For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints,


1 Corinthians 14:1-40 ESV
Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up. ...

1 Corinthians 11:3 ESV
But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.

1 Corinthians 6:20 ESV /
For you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.


Romans 16:17 ESV /
I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.


Romans 8:1 ESV /
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Romans 6:23 ESV /

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 6:9 ESV /

We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him.

Romans 4:1-25 ESV /
What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, ...

Acts 2:38 ESV /
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:1-47 ESV /
When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. ...

John 14:26 ESV /
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

John 4:24 ESV /
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Matthew 24:1-51 ESV / Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?” And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. ...

Matthew 23:13-15 ESV /
“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.

Matthew 13:41-42 ESV /
The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 13:1-58 ESV /
That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat beside the sea. And great crowds gathered about him, so that he got into a boat and sat down. And the whole crowd stood on the beach. And he told them many things in parables, saying: “A sower went out to sow. And as he sowed, some seeds fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them. Other seeds fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil, and immediately they sprang up, since they had no depth of soil, ...

Matthew 7:23 ESV /
And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Matthew 7:22 ESV /
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’

Matthew 5:28 ESV /
But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Matthew 5:17-18 ESV /
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Malachi 3:6 ESV /

“For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.

Ezekiel 44:1-31 ESV /
Then he brought me back to the outer gate of the sanctuary, which faces east. And it was shut. And the Lord said to me, “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it, for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it. Therefore it shall remain shut. Only the prince may sit in it to eat bread before the Lord. He shall enter by way of the vestibule of the gate, and shall go out by the same way.” Then he brought me by way of the north gate to the front of the temple, and I looked, and behold, the glory of the Lord filled the temple of the Lord. And I fell on my face. And the Lord said to me, “Son of man, mark well, see with your eyes, and hear with your ears all that I shall tell you concerning all the statutes of the temple of the Lord and all its laws. And mark well the entrance to the temple and all the exits from the sanctuary. ...


Isaiah 28:1-29 ESV /
Ah, the proud crown of the drunkards of Ephraim, and the fading flower of its glorious beauty, which is on the head of the rich valley of those overcome with wine! Behold, the Lord has one who is mighty and strong; like a storm of hail, a destroying tempest, like a storm of mighty, overflowing waters, he casts down to the earth with his hand. The proud crown of the drunkards of Ephraim will be trodden underfoot; and the fading flower of its glorious beauty, which is on the head of the rich valley, will be like a first-ripe fig before the summer: when someone sees it, he swallows it as soon as it is in his hand. In that day the Lord of hosts will be a crown of glory, and a diadem of beauty, to the remnant of his people, ...

Isaiah 9:6 ESV /
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.


Isaiah 1:1-31 ESV /

The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah. Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth; for the Lord has spoken: “Children have I reared and brought up, but they have rebelled against me. The ox knows its owner, and the donkey its master's crib, but Israel does not know, my people do not understand.” Ah, sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, offspring of evildoers, children who deal corruptly! They have forsaken the Lord, they have despised the Holy One of Israel, they are utterly estranged. Why will you still be struck down? Why will you continue to rebel? The whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. ...

Psalm 119:105 ESV /
Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.

Genesis 3:4 ESV /
But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.
Genesis 3:1-24 ESV /
Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” ...





westsideblues1 westsideblues1 41-45, F 53 Responses Dec 15, 2012

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You realise of course that this is all nonsense?
There is no god...please tell me you are joking!

you all haven't tried to get this person banned excommunicated hahha I meant banned from your .. can't you block him ? Let him go to the trouble of getting another EP username.. and block him and report him too..

after goin to church....lol gypsy I have to ask.. you stalking me? lol jk jk jk..you seem to like my comments

na just giving you A rate up

:) rape away

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ill rate you but i wont rape you : )

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777 here is where I saw it first, then found the video. And in the video he is showing the ad the Mormon church ran.

http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=21bc9fbee98db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=1d2791ddb6b9c110VgnVCM100000176f620a____

To teach them their testimony.

You don't develop a testimony, develop a testimony before they are saved?

No, it was an article in a magazine about the glove. You probably need to get the book.

You made comment to me, which you had to unblock me to do, so youstarted it back up. You said it was an activity, it is an article about it. The book comes with the glove and pictures.

You have the magazine, but you said early you had not heard of the glove.

hebrew what is your point? for baiting her.. what are you trying to prove out side of U being a bully.

My testimony developed years before I realized Jesus was the answer to all the questions about Me, my Life, why are we here, and the emptiness I felt inside my heart...my testimony stems from being a verbally, physically, and sexually abused child...the tumultuous teenage years w/o an identity...having no focus or direction in life...and when it all came crashing down on me....Jesus lifted me up, dusted me off, and brought me to Himself....

What I don't understand is what are hebrew132 and 777heaven actually arguing about??? It appears to me they are both immature Christians trying to make sure what they've learned on their own about Jesus isn't upstaged by the other...

So what that there were and still are false Christians, or anti-Christ in the world...Jesus says not to engage in such trivial matters to begin with...

It's easy to lose focus trying to prove a point...when the point is the tip of Jesus' two edged sword, (The Word), cutting deep into our hearts revealing all truth.....He is the Life, the Truth, and the Way....If He's not in you, then you're just in the way of other Christians trying to find peace...

Don't become a stumbling block to baby Christians learning for the first time the true peace and love Jesus offers each of us....why the drama? Anyone using scripture to argue their point doesn't understand the real reason we have the Bible to begin with....it's not a tool for us to cut others down, by showing our superiority in Bible knowledge or ability to translate the Bible....when we all know, as mature Christians, all knowledge and revelation comes from God Himself...it's He that reveals what we can handle, it's He that saves us and keeps us...how can being an authority on any subject to the point of putting others down have any positive outcome???....

Just sayn in love my Brothers and Sisters....

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@iname They don't play well with others is already obvious. However this is not a game.

1 Cor 13:11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.

...I want to tell you about the fukkking arsehole stalking me in another group,
apparently his ex left him high and dry because he was a pathetic miserable soul,
who couldn't figure out his own life,
who couldn't clean up his life,
and refused to improve himself,
being a hardcore drug addict,
and self-loathing self-pitying case always stuck in a rut as if the world owes him something,
and because my star sign is the same as his ex wife who didn't want to put up with his self-DESTSTRUCTIVE ways thinking it makes him look cute and more lovable,
he saw me as his ex that deserves to be punished because SHE REFUSED TO LOVE HIM BEING SUCH A SORRY PIECE OF ARSE...
I MEAN COME ON WTF?
I AM NOT HIS EX, NOT HIS WIFE AND DON'T KNOW HIM FROM ANYWHERE,
BUT NOW I MUST BE HATED BECAUSE I AM SUCH AN EVIL WOMAN WHO REFUSED TO PUT UP WITH HIS BULLLLSHIT............ i mean wtf??????????????
sounds like that guy you talking of no?

... I THINK THIS DOUCHE BAG IS USING HIS PAIN AND BITTERNESS OF PAST RELATIONSHIPS AS AN EXCUSE TO HATE ON PEOPLE WHO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS BUSINESS IN THE FIRST PLACE............. i mean i don't have anything to do with his failed marriage FFS, i wasn't even born yet when they got married.

...and I LIVE HALF WAY ACROSS THE WORLD FROM THIS GUY AND HIS EX........... he is just seeking any excuse whatsoever to vent his PAIN even confusing people for the wrong individuals.

...IS THAT FAIR? HE SHOULD WORK OUT HIS OWN ISSUES before blaming it on other people who weren't even involved in it.............

...thus the same with this guy that you wrote about, he cannot just HATE ALL WOMEN BECAUSE HE HAD SOME BAD EXPERIENCE with only a few or just one.............. then he must be irrevocably gay.....................

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<p>the punnish guy i mentioned is now snowlover13 he piggyed back onto YOUHAVEMY PERMISSIO guy........</p><p>sn13 does that, he goes into a story with his latest bro, and then hates on females ..... </p><p>iv seen where he stops piggy backing with them(wears out his welcome) then he is off to another member who he thinks hates on females... he uses them as a front to hate,</p><p>
not once have i seen him raise any concern for mens rights. he is here to gang up on women, to hate on them, and threaten to kill them,play victim</p>

...so he don't want men's rights? he just wants a right to hate women? lol would labeling himself a hater make him get more men's rights? when he makes himself unworthy of respect like that?

...he reminds me of some guy a while back who would hate on everyone who did not think he was GOD INCARNATE......... he said he was PURE LOVE INCARNATE, but HATED EVERYONE WHO REFUSED TO BELIEVE HIM, hunting them down and gang stalking them with his group of filthy ******........

yea i think i remeber that guy... i for get his name .....but he had some holier than thee type of name.

...he thought he farted sunrays....of gold lmfao

... I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW who he thinks would steal his arse to become some millionaire when all he can truly produce down there is shiiiit.

lol

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OMFG you are going to kill him with the word, hahaha

all I can say is, that I have the same type of troll in some other group,
he is a middle aged man extremely unhappy with himself,
bickering like a child wanting me to feel just as bad as he does,
by continuously belittling me...

it is just sad to see grown men acting like three year olds,
screaming for love and attention by driving people away with their hate,
so much for be a peace loving new ager,
when driving a "wedge" between people because of their self-loathing bullshitttery...........
clearly ONENESS AND LOVING THE NEIGHBOR AS THE SELF DOES NOT APPLY TO THEM........
GO FIGURE, I SHOULD HAVE GUESSED ALL ALONG.

yep snow has said at least twice he wants to shoot me and my friends... he too is a very unhappy soul....... hates him self and hates his life.....takes it out on women.. he joined e/p just to hate on females .........

snow even claims to be a christain.but yet wants to kill females

screaming for love and attention by driving people away with their hate


gypsy....&gt;good anology

...okay so he is gay since male chauvinists are all extremely loyal to their own sex...... and what does the bible say about homos? they should be put to death and burned like witches....hahahahaha

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@777

Where did I misinterpert your words?


Still won't answer the questions.

I have no need to lie about who I work with and you do not know what he has shown or shared with me.

Either the endowments and secert handshakes are so or they are not. Which is it? Tell us what goes on in the temple ifit is not a secret.

Ask a missionary, why should I ask a missionary, can't you as a member of the Mormon church tell me what you practice? we are all missionaries.

Tells us what is the square? Tell us about the similarities to the Freemasons.

You deny these things are not a part of your rital?

What is the sign of the nail?

Or how about the patriarchal grip, or sure sign of the nail?

Care to enlighten us as to wherein the OT the preist or anyone elsewas told to do such things?

You harpon the seeking wisdom and the truth, well I'm asking, because that stuff is just not located anywhere in Gen to Rev that I can find. So please show where it is.

You are the one causing the drama because you simply want answer any questions. You say we have not understood or misinterpt it, so please again we ask for you to enlighten us. Most are simple yes or no answers. Either the endowments are about ritual and new names and secret handshakes and signs or they are not. That website does not tell what happens in the temple. Nothing is mentioned about your twist on the creation story, new names, signs of the Freemasons or secret handshakes.

So why can't you tell us? Why go to a website when there is access to an actual member?


So why don't you set the record straight and tell us what happens during the endowment ritual, what happens in the temple?

And if the temple is not restricted, then why can't anybody go into the temple at anytime? If they can't, that sounds like a restiction to me.

@Dente just pointing out blocking really won't prevent someone from replying.

EP doesn't appear to interact very much at all.

I hate religious strife.

... religious strife? when people battle in the name of GOD, it is not about GOD but about them............ narcissistic self-hating egotists, it is a mystery how they can hate and love themselves all at the same time... whether they hate themselves, then everyone must see and watch how they suffer, whether they love themselves, then everyone must see how wonderful they are, cheer and cry with them, I MEAN WTF? what happened to GOD? AREN't they going off topic when they forget about the divine purpose and go on yakking about themselves all day and their needs, and how they want people to act and behave thinking they are the queens and kings having the power to tell people how to behave or else...pffft. I am making a new years motto: stay out of immature EP BATTLES this year, it brings you nowhere, and only waste your time and brains.

good points

yes i too get caught up in all the drama........ odd how when a story line is going well and they walk in and with thier drama....

You don't argue, as you never answer any questions. Oh so now you are calling your church practices stupid? Finally!

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*blinks*
Wow, I don't like to argue this much.
Laters.

...yeah I have learned by trial and error, it is a waste, i mean what does the zealots really want to prove? and yes we get the point that the guy is a fukkking hypocrite, just leave it at that, I have written many such stories why I think people are hypocrites, but for what? they are what they are, why waste more energy on them than necessary? are they really worth it? since they don't want to learn from their own mistakes in anyway, so why should we care at all?

gypsyblu i am sorry for the way i have acted on your story. just these two neanderthals get on my last f-in nerve

no need to be sorry ... ur welcome to post on my stories any time ((((hugs)))

:)

SERIOUSLY when will people grow up on EP, i cannot understand why trolls don't know where to stop.......... especially those in their 40s and up, they are tired of life, and take out their frustrations on others who don't deserve it, I MEAN come on WTF? Why act immature when you want to pass yourself off as a mature wise person? fail!!!!!

...and it is funny because they say they are the ones seeing all the MAGIC, WONDERS AND PURPOSE IN LIFE TOO, but clearly they don't when they are soooo extremely unhappy with themselves that they just have to take it out on others..... FRAUD ALERT. religious and spiritual zealots, should really know where to stop when they don't act according to what they preach any more, seriously, don't they realize that they are making themselves look stupid pulling the best stunts of absolute hypocrisy?

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Iname quote"uh yea it does douche bag if i block u and they block u u CANT comment on their story"

Nope it don't as we can start a new story and comment on it.

...people who are desperate to be heard by the one that blocked them continue to stalk them on other people's posts.... I mean do you really think that person wants to hear anything you have to say when the block says "we don't give a rat's arse about what you have to say", I mean do you really want to be loved by that person soooo bad, do you really want to be seen by that person sooo bad that you would make a complete and utter arse out of yourself doing so? flaunting yourself and attention whoooring before poeple who think you are good for nothing in anyway? seriously, trolls and their intelligence mixed with their low self-esteem and need for acknowledgement really amazes me.... especially when they demand to be loved by others while they Hate them.

People who don't want to hear the truth from God usually run from it, so they think blocking will stop the truth. Maybe that is what you and others are seeking love from strangers they have never met, nor probably ever will. If so you are looking for love in the wrong place. I am not seeking love from anyone here, I have all I need in my personal relationships. Personal relationships I have had longer than you have been living.

one guy here lav25 made another profile to hate on females, after he was blocked from everyone.........

he called me pathetic duh !!??? he is the one who is soooooooooooo PATHETIC.... .


he made a second profile just to hate me with ...now that is pathetic...

instead of argueing with these two douches bag maxine and his bf why not block them

i am not male. Blocking doesn't stop anyone from replying.

uh yea it does douche bag if i block u and they block u u CANT comment on their story

Hebum blocking does mean interaction between you and the person who blocked you is not allowed if you continue to harass people who have blocked you ep admin can and will ban you.

@ridergirl

In what ways did Christ express tolerance for all the different religions of his day?

@maxipads
Im not going to listen to you anymore, you are nothing but an athiest.

To the contrary, it is I who want to listen to you. Care to answer my simple question darling? :)

@ridergirl

Ok so you practice a religion fabricated by ancient people. What's your point?

This isn't how you plan on "holding your own", is it? I mean the silent treatment is soooo passé, lol :)

RE: Jehovah's Witnesses

In spite of their imperfections they faithfully practice the religion Jesus practiced. He only worshiped Jehovah God, the only true God, and instructed all his disciples to do the same for it is the only true religion established by God:

“In reply Jesus said to [Satan]: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”” - Luke 4:8

“Jehovah your God you should fear, and him you should serve.” - Deuteronomy 6:13

Jesus taught, “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’” - Matthew 22:37

“[Y]ou must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your vital force.” - Deuteronomy 6:5


http://bit.ly/pwUMD4

she wants ur thoughts not what you copied pasted .same goes for me ..

Asked and answered. If you're looking for a different answer ask a different question :)

@maxipads
OK here is a different question: Can you state your beliefs without copying and pasting?

I don't worship Jehovah God on my terms but on His. As such, I do my utmost to obey Him in everything as He has instructed in the Bible. This is why I always use Scripture to answers queries on my beliefs.

With all due respect and kindness I just have to ask, is English your second language?

IM MULTY CULTURE READ MY PROFILE

WANT YOUR OWN AUTHENTIC/ ORIGINAL WORD NOT WHAT SOMEONE OUT SIDE UR SELF WROTE

That explains it! Thanks for clearing that up for me :)

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<p>&nbsp;<p>You act as if these very same "pious" have changed their ways. Do we live in a good and decent world? Here's a better question, if we in fact live in a good and decent world why did Jesus say his God was going to annihilate this system of things just as occurred during Noah's day?<br />
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</p><p>gypsy...> maxxann stick to the point jane is making.. duh!!!! once again ur putting a spin on the conversation, you will say anything to prove a point, be it right or worng, </p><p>you go off on wordy tangents that lose the point the direction of conversation.</p><p></p>

<p>&nbsp;<p>If you don't read my replies why should I read anything you post?</p><p>gypsy....> mazzann you assume i dont ......... its jsut a nother spin of yours, trying to get out of answering the question ...dont you know i can see ur game dude??/</p><p></p>

@gypsy
He keeps going around with the same game.

YES HE /SHE DOESN'T GET IT WE SEE THROUGH HIS SMOKE AND MIRRORS....PAY NO ATTENTION TOTHE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN DORTHY !!!!

mazzann i would like to get your spin on atheism if you dont mind.

Here’s why the fundamentally nihilistic materialist, naturalistic, agnostic, atheistic view of the world is wholly illogical, irrational and unenlightened:

(1) Everything that exists has an objective explanation of its existence, either in the necessity of its own nature or in an external cause.
(A) If atheism is true, the universe has no objective explanation of its existence.
(B) If the universe has an objective explanation of its existence then atheism is false.

(2) The universe exists.
(3) The space-time universe does not exist out of the necessity of it’s own nature for it did not exist until 13.70 billion years ago.
(4) Therefore, the space-time universe exists because of an external cause.

(5) The external cause of the universe must necessarily be a transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent and personal being.
(6) A transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent and personal being is the definition of God.
(7) Therefore, the objective explanation of the universe's existence is God.

(8) Therefore, atheism is false.

@maxipads
You have copy and pasted this all around EP, what is YOUR response without copying and pasting?

Can I help it if I keep getting asked the same question over and over and over again? :)

Maxi -

As to claim number one, your absolutely obtuse or being completely blind there exist counter arguments and positions which believe there are no objective moral truths, because ethical knowledge is usually subjective or relative which means they cannot be consider objective. Such as non-cognitivism and emotivism.

" (A) If atheism is true, the universe has no objective explanation of its existence. "

Again lies .... See Buddhism and especially Jainists. Then read up on Confucian &amp; Taoist Religion.

Then laugh at your claim like I did !

"(B) If the universe has an objective explanation of its existence then atheism is false."

Since you were wrong about number 1 your obviously wrong at claim B.

Let me point out for you

The Sanskrit word nirisvaravada translates at atheism and means disbelief in a creator god. It does not require disbelief in anything else that might be a "god," but for many anything less than a creator isn't a genuine god in the first place. Both the Samkhya and the Mimamsa schools of Hindu philosophy reject the existence of a creator god, making them explicitly atheistic from a Hindu perspective. 

This doesn't make them naturalistic, but it does make them as atheistic as any belief system, philosophy, or religion from the perspective of religious theists in the West.

For Jains, every soul or spiritual being is worthy of the exact same praise. Because of this, Jains do not worship any "higher" spiritual beings like gods nor do they worship or pay homage to any idols. Jains believe that the universe has always existed and will always exist, so there is no need for any sort of creator god. None of this means that no spiritual beings exist which might be called "gods," however, and thus a Jain might believe in beings which might be considered gods and therefore technically be a theist. From a Western religious perspective, though, they'd all be atheists.


On a functional level, at least, both Confucianism and Taoism can be considered atheistic. Neither is founded on faith in a creator god like Christianity and Islam are. Neither promote the existence of such a god, either. 

(3) The space-time universe does not exist out of the necessity of it’s own nature for it did not exist until 13.70 billion years ago.

How cute the whole "God created the universe but how did God become existent" and your answer is analogous to " A married man is not a bachelor, therefore he was never a bachelor."

I'm sure you've heard of science please see the following for why you are not correct

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Which is how we get
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Objectively of course instead of subjectively like your God theory.

The debate is actually if time actually exists In the 17th century, English scientist Isaac Newton was pretty sure time existed as a universal constant. But in 1908, Hermann Minkowski, expanding on one of Einstein’s ideas on the relationship between space and time, suggested a space-time continuum. This theory held that space and time were inextricably mixed, with all events occurring along the same timeline. Einstein presented his theory of general relativity not long after this and proposed that time is but an illusion.Around the same time (if you believe in time, that is), the field of quantum mechanics grew out of an effort to explain the relationship between matter and energy. This presented a little problem for scientists trying to create a single, unified theory to account for the universe and its component parts. Quantum mechanics requires the existence of time to work. General relativity does not.

" (5) The external cause of the universe must necessarily be a transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent and personal being."

Please provide objective evidence of this claim failure to do so makes it a fictional belief not a truth.

(6) A transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent and personal being is the definition of God.


This is false please don't be so blind as to the multiple religions which define "god" quite differently. Your first world western view isn't objective when you define God or Gods only in a Judeao-christian manner ...infact it's rather obtuse and bigoted.

" 7) Therefore, the objective explanation of the universe's existence is God"

Sorry friend your so far off course by now your everything but objective.

Lastly your number 8 is a complete fail.

@ maxi Now please explain this

1) In hundreds of passages, the Bible declares or takes the position explicitly or implicitly that it is nothing less than the very Word of God. Some thirty-eight hundred times the Bible declares, “God said,” or “Thus says the Lord” (e.g. Ex. 14:1; 20:1; Lev. 4:1; Num. 4:1; Deut. 4:2; 32:48; Isa. 1:10, 24; Jer. 1:11; Ezek. 1:3; etc.).

A) Paul also recognized that the things he was writing were the Lord’s commandments (1 Cor. 14:37), and they were acknowledged as such by the believers (1 Thess. 2:13).

B) Peter proclaimed the certainty of the Scriptures and the necessity of heeding the unalterable and certain Word of God (2 Pet. 1:16-21).

C) John too recognized that his teaching was from God; to reject his teaching was to reject God (1 John 4:6).17

D)For other passages which either declare or assume the Bible as God’s Word see Deuteronomy 6:6-9, 17-18; Joshua 1:8-9; 8:32-35; 2 Samuel 22:31; Ps. 1:2; 12:6; 19:7-11; 93:5; 119:9, 11, 18, 89-93, 130; Prov. 30:5-6;Matthew 5:17-19; 22:29; Mark 13:31; Luke 16:17; John 2:22; 5:24; 10:35; Acts 17:11; Romans 10:17; Colossians 3:16; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 2:15; 3:15-17; 1 Peter 1:23-25; 2 Peter 3:15-16; Revelation 1:2; 22:18.

2) The Bible’s revelation of God. The Bible’s revelation of God is unique among all the religious writings of either antiquity or of more modern times. While the Bible is a very ethical book, it never divorces its code of morality from a personal relationship with the God of the Bible, teaching that God’s laws are not meant to hinder joy. Morality is to be a product of knowing and loving the God of the Bible (Deut. 4:4-6; Matt. 22:36-40; Mark 12:28-31).

3) Therefore true Christian belief Dictates the bible is the word of god and
a)that God's words are unalterable and certain.
b) That true Christians must have belief in the God of the bible.
c) It is immoral for true Christians to believe anything different.

4) J. The Bible: Actually the Bible serves as the most inclusive of all the avenues of special revelation, for it encompasses the record of many aspects of the other avenues. Though God undoubtedly gave other visions, dreams, and prophetic messages that were not recorded in the Bible, we know no details of them. Too, all that we know about the life of Christ appears in the Bible, though, of course, not all that He did or said was recorded in the Scriptures (John 21:25). But the Bible is not simply the record of these other revelations from God; it also contains additional truth not revealed, for example, through the prophets or even during the earthly life of Christ. So the Bible, then, is both the record of aspects of special revelation and revelation itself.

6)The revelation in the Bible is not only inclusive yet partial, it is also accurate (John 17:17), progressive (Heb. 1:1), and purposeful (2 Tim. 3:15-17).

7) True Christians must believe in creationism ie. believe in a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation account,
A) and conclude that the universe was created 6,000 years ago.
ii) This age is determined by counting the generations of biblical figures recorded throughout the Bible, starting with Adam in the Garden of Eden.
iii) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters” (Gen. 1:1- 2)

B) and true Christians believe that any evidence not supporting their theory is incorrectly applied, or that the data is misinterpreted.

C) Their view is that the Bible is the only source that should be examined to prove creation, and the events recorded in it should be taken as they interpret them. ( Notice Romans chapter 1: “For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead” vs. 20).


D) Yet, This is exactly what God said He did NOT create! He “is not the author of confusion” (I Cor. 14:33)—rather, everything God does is “done decently and in order” (vs. 40).

F) why your intelligent design/ certain creationism (which is required belief of true Christians) is utterly proven wrong :

a)Let’s look at one scientific proof supporting all we have covered.
i) The speed of light is one of the more constant variables in the universe, with a speed of approximately 186,000 miles per second. This means that if you were 186,000 miles away from a person who turned on a bright light, it would take one second before that light reached you.

No doubt, you have probably experienced this “delay” with sound.) Since light travels faster than sound, if a person on an opposite side of a football field clashed cymbals, you would see the action before the sound reached your ears.The only difference is that light travels so fast that enormous distances are required for a “delay” to be realized.

ii ) The only place with enough space to demonstrate this effect is outer space. Because of the vast size of the cosmos, distances are often measured in light-years, the distance light can travel in one year.

B)What does this have to do with the age of our universe?

i) If Earth and the universe were only 6,000 years old, we would only be able to see stars with a maximum distance of 6,000 light-years, otherwise the light would not have had time to reach us.

C) Let’s put this in context. The Milky Way galaxy is approximately 100,000 light-years across, with our solar system about 28,000 light-years from the center. This puts us about 22,000 light-years from our galaxy’s outer edge.

i) If the universe were only 6,000 years old, we would see only a fraction of the 200 billion stars in just OUR galaxy since light from others would not have had enough time to reach us!

D)Of course, you have seen countless pictures of stars near Earth.

i) There are amazing images of some of the estimated 125 billion galaxies.

ii) Of these, 3,000 are visible and can be anywhere from 80,000 to billions of light-years away.

iii) Light from the most distant galaxies had to have traveled for billions of years before it reached Earth.

E) Of course, for light to travel billions of years there had to have been a universe for billions of years!


8) this clearly shows that God is wrong in his accounts of time from Adam to Moses to Jesus and therefore infallible or The bible is wrong and not the word of God which to true Christians is impossible.

Literally God refutes himself as does the necessary required intelligent design/ creationism.

How is this possible ? Once again we turn science, specifically Occam's razor ...

You've probably heard it before: The simplest explanation is usually the right one.

Doctors ­use it to determine the illness behind a set of symptoms.This line of reasoning is called Occam's razor.

It's used in a wide variety of ways throughout the world as a means to slice through a problem or situation and eliminate unnecessary elements. But what we call the razor is a little different than what its author originally wrote.

There are two parts that are considered the basis of Occam's razor, and they were originally written in Latin:

1)The Principle of Plurality - Plurality should not be posited without necessity

2)The Principle of Parsimony - It is pointless to do with more what is done with less

Taken together, they represent the basis of humanity's investigation into the universe, and the way we see our environment is largely based upon Occam's razor. There's no telling what kind of world we would live in today without Occam's razor. Would we have the Internet? Would we have inoculations?

Consider simple systems in nature, like viruses and plants, and their ability to carry out complex tasks such as infection andphotosynthesis. We value these simple models. And when it comes to man-made systems, we tend to base structures upon what we already know works -

the simplest explanation to us -- like computer memory modeled on our own brain processes. All of which points to the principles of plurality and parsimony.

However, one of the key things that Occam's razor reveals is the subjectivity with which we view the universe. Sure the sky is blue, we know that by looking at it, but what shade of blue is it exactly? Anyone who has ever engaged in a debate over whether a dark-colored sock is black or navy can appreciate the bias of our worldview and how it affects our decisions.

Simply enough this leads to why and how you went wrong ...

And finally shows Your notion of God as Creator doesn't fit into occams razor or objectivity at all.

^^^^^HIGH FIVE DANTE^^^^^^

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It was so-called “Christian” Nazis who committed some of the most unspeakable atrocities in human history.


gypsy.. i have never heard of nazis being called christians, as matter of fact you are the first one i ever heard of any one calling them "CHRISTIAN"

The overwhelming majority of Nazis in WWII Germany proclaimed some flavor of so-called Christianity. Hitler himself was baptized Catholic, never converted to another religion and was never excommunicated from the Catholic Church. He was Catholic till the day he died.

The Allies too professed some version of Christianity. So if their claims were true, they were essentially slaughtering their Axis brothers on the other side of the Atlantic.

Yeah, I can imagine Jesus smiling from on high as he contemplated his fans butchering one another ...

maxxann... Christians” are the cause of much of the needless pain and suffering in this world while.

gypsy.... really ? where are your sources>?

It was so-called “Christian” Nazis who committed some of the most unspeakable atrocities in human history.

So-called “Christian” Americans massacred hundreds of thousands of innocent, non-combatant children, women and men in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

So-called “Christian” Rwandans raged with blood-lust and slaughtered one another in one of the bloodiest, most gruesome civil-wars in modern history.

So-Called "Christians" on both sides - Axis and Allied - slaughtered each other during World War I and World War II with their respective bishops and priests blessing them on both sides of the blood bath.

Even today, look at what so-called 'Christians' in Bulgaria are doing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy9lQjwwbEM

Need I continue?

Max,
Lets leave the past in the past and focus on learning from our mistakes.
Need I remind you that every religion has members who have committed atrocities ... 9/11 ring a bell? How about the ongoing conflict between Palestine and Israel?

Max,
Countless Priests and Nuns hid and saved 1000 of Jews. Oskar Schindler operated a " concentration camp" and saved countless numbers of Jews. There were dozens of ordinary Christians who like Miep ( who harboured Anne Frank and family) harboured and hid Jews, saving lives while risking their own.

I prefer to focus on the good Max, most people are good and decent.

You act as if these very same "pious" have changed their ways. Do we live in a good and decent world? Here's a better question, if we in fact live in a good and decent world why did Jesus say his God was going to annihilate this system of things just as occurred during Noah's day?

@gypsy and gumshoejane
exactly! Those are what we describe as radicals, radicals are dangerous because its no longer about religion, its their own hate covered up BY religion not necessairly the religion itself.

lol, silly girl. Go back and review your history. The Catholic Church alone has a long and bloody history that was the direct result of their "Christian" policies. For instance, The Catholic Church's open support of Hitler - and the support of other so-called "Christian" religions like the LDS - proved instrumental to his rise to power and the massacre of millions of innocents.

The world would be better off without all these so-called "Christian" religions.

Lowridergirl,
Exactly.

Max,
What good does this accomplish? I prefer to see people as individuals, not as groups. The vast majority of people of all religions and of every belief are good and decent. There are far more good than bad in the world. please see my story on the Sandyhook massacre for a look at how wonderful and loving some people are, I do believe that most of us are capable of heroism under the right circumstances.

she is not a silly girl.. if she was, she would not be able to hold her own, as she has demonstrated

@maxipads
silly boy! Didn't you just get done persecuting me for believing in Santa Muerte AND God? Its curious you say your a Christian but persecute not only me but other followers of Jesus as well on here. I haven't been able to detect it but you sir are an athiest, its the only way to describe the way you change your mind every minute. Plus of every religion out there, there are radical beliefs that doesn't make religion in itself is bad.

@Jane

If we in fact live in a good and decent world why did Jesus say his God was going to annihilate this system of things just as during Noah's day?

@ridergirl

I have no issue with you worshiping Santa Muerte and Darkseid or Crom or whoever it is you call your "God". Like I've said, if so many others can cook up their own religions there's no reason why you can't do the same :)

@Maxipads
You say that now but your tone says otherwise. I don't believe you changed your mind just like that. And its not "made up" lol billions of years of religions would say otherwise (example: Aztecs, Mayans, Incas, Native Americans, etc etc and now Mexicans were as the Goddess of Death has been around long before the media dubbed her Santa Muerte aka The Day of the Dead) have been believing in the God of Death or Goddess of Death for a LONG LONG LONG time. Burial rites and rituals have been going LONG before Christianity, Christianity came along and said "I am the only true God, you MUST bow before me because I am the ALMIGHTY." BUT BUT and I say this with all my heart this is where Christians are wrong they make God (JESUS CHRIST) look like the ultimate BIGOT in WHICH HE IS NOT! To die means to go to God, you get judged and then you go somewhere in which only God knows, because only HE can judge, it is perfectly sensible to think death and God go together. Until then everything is a path in which YOU choose to go down, I can have morals and be a good person but not believe in only ONE God. For instance I know that bullying is wrong, I know to self defend myself only if need be, I know to be kind to animals because they were here first, I know to feed the hungry as I once was hungry and homeless, I know to right my wrong and I don't need any bible to tell me to love thy neighbor as all people are my sisters and brothers. Jesus Christ gave me this free will with love and sacrifice and honor, he is NOT the bigot you speak ill of.

So when Jesus said that Satan was the Father of the Scribes and Pharisees - whom practiced different religions than him - was he expressing tolerance for their beliefs? (John 8:42-47)

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@lowrider

Finally! A worthy response.

First, when have I ever claim "everything must have a cause"? Could this be yet another strawman?

Second, the premise that the universe began to exist is not a religious statement nor a theological one. You can find this statement in any contemporary textbook on astrophysics or cosmology. And it is supported by the vast majority of cosmologists today.

The Borde-Vilenkin-Guth Theorem, for instance, clearly states that any universe, which has, on average, a rate of expansion greater one must have a ** finite beginning **. I'm not making this up. Read the paper in full or watch Vilenkin himself refute beginningless universe models like Eternal Inflation, Cyclic Evolution and Static Seed/Emergent Universe on youtube while proving that our universe had to have a finite beginning.

As such, Vilenkin had this to say regarding the beginning of the universe, "It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. With the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. *** There is no escape, they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning ***. (Many Worlds in One [New York: Hill and Wang, 2006], p.176)

Moreover, Quentin Smith, a philosopher of science at the University of Western Michigan reinforces this further when he states, "It belongs analytically to the concept of the cosmological singularity that it is not the effect of prior physical events. The definition of a singularity entails that it is impossible to extend the spacetime manifold beyond the singularity. This effectively rules out the idea that the singularity is the effect of some prior natural process." ("Theism, Atheism, and Big Bang Cosmology")


As such, your fervent belief that the universe is infinitely old, beginningless, or eternal has no basis in any respected mainstream scientific theories of the universe. It's just more atheistic folderol and wishful thinking.

This creates the necessity for there to exist a first uncaused-cause for something cannot come from nothing as I've already shared. I've also explained that this first uncaused efficient cause must also, by necessity, be transcendent, beginningless, timeless, spaceless, immaterial, unchanging, omnipotent and personal. As it turns out, such is the very definition of God.

@Maxipads
You see? Every arguement has a counter arguement and I just copy and pasted that for no reason! :D

@Maxipads
OK so you copy and paste nearly everything off the internet, YOU said:

"How very pantheistic of you. Here's why, though, your definition defies logic and reason:

(1) Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
(2) The space-time universe began to exist 13.70 billion years ago.
(3) Therefore, the space-time universe has a cause.

(4) The cause of the universe is a transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent and personal being.
(5) A transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent and personal being is the definition of God.
(6) Therefore, God caused the universe to exist 13.70 billion years ago."

For every arguement you have there is something that also counter acts this, now these don't fit my views at all as I believe in God but I thought I would get on the copy and paste wagon:

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/universe.html

The Universe Could Not Have Been Created by God
Logic Versus Supposition

1.Everything Must Have a Cause (Except One Thing)
2.The Complexity of God and the Simplicity of the Natural Laws
3.The Existence of God is Not Enough to Explain the Universe
4.God Doesn't Need a Cause Because It Has Existed Forever
5.The Nature of God's Thoughts1.Logic Must Predate the First Cause
2.Saying God is 'Outside' Logic

6.Conclusions

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1. Everything Must Have a Cause (Except One Thing)

People who believe in god (theists) subscribe to the theistic idea that the Universe was the work of a creator-god. They say that 'god did it', and although many books have been written about the details, there are fundamental problems with the whole idea that a god created the Universe.

They say that all things must have a cause, and therefore, god exists as the 'first cause' of everything else. These people ask questions like "Who do you think created you?" and "Do you think the Universe came out of nothing... who do you think created it?". These types of questions both rely on the "everything must have a cause, therefore God exists" argument. But this argument doesn't work. Examine these points:
1.
If god-believers say that 'everything must have a cause' and state that this means that god exists, then, they have missed a part of their declaration out. Their true belief is that "everything must have a cause, apart from God". The term for God as the cause of everything is the 'first cause', so, this is the same as saying "everything must have a cause, apart from the first cause".

2.
God isn't a simple thing; it has thoughts, motivations (to create, to love, etc), it has powers, imagination and its thoughts are themselves ordered logically and coherently so that it can plan things and think about things in a sensible way. In short, God is quite a complicated being.


These two facts combined to produce the more accurate first-cause argument:
3.Theists believe that everything must have a cause, apart from the complicated self-created first-cause that has a coherent internal logic.


“All causal explanations must have an arbitrary beginning”

"History of Western Philosophy" by Bertrand Russell (1946)2

“The argument that there must exist a first cause of everything is open to serious doubt as long as we adhere to any simple notion of cause, irrespective of whether the universe is infinitely old, or had a definite beginning in time.”

"God And The New Physics" by Paul Davies (1984)3

This means that the "everything must have a cause" part of the argument must be wrong. It is not true that everything must have a cause. In a causal world, there must always be something that has no cause. There is a different word for the belief that a complicated self-created first-cause that has a coherent internal logic requires no first cause: atheism. Because if such a complicated thing can exist without a cause, then that first-cause could well be an atheistic Universe, complete with a few internal physical laws. If you argue that everything has a cause except for god, then, you might as well argue that everything has a cause except the universe, and admit that there is no need to theorize that God exists. So if you accept the first-cause argument then it does not prove that God exists, but instead it proves that the Universe could be without a creator at all.

2. The Complexity of God and the Simplicity of the Natural Laws

Some philosophers have even realized that God is more complicated than an uncaused Big Bang. When it comes to comparing arguments where there is no hope of actually getting any physical evidence, there is a long-standing heuristic to help distinguish between theories, called Occam's Razor: it turns out that when all evidence is accounted for, the simpler of any two theories is more likely to be the correct one. The theory with fewest assumptions is more likely to be true. God requires many properties and complexities such as consciousness, thought, personality, creative drive, love, an internal logic ordering its thoughts so that it can think coherently and rationally, etc: All of these properties must have been derived from somewhere. It turns out that God is a vastly more complicated thing that the Big Bang and the fundamental laws of the Universe.


“The scientist, however, may wish to challenge the assumption that an infinite mind (God) is simpler than the universe. In our experience, mind only exists in physical systems that are above a certain threshold of complexity [...] While it is possible to imagine a disembodied mind, there must be some means of expression of the pattern, and the pattern itself is complex. So it could be argued that an infinite mind is infinitely complex and hence far less likely than a universe. [...]

According to our best scientific understanding of the primeval universe it does indeed seem as though the universe began in the simplest state of all - thermodynamic equilibrium - and that the currently-observed complex structures and elaborate activity only appeared subsequently. It might then be argued that the primeval universe is, in fact, the simplest thing that we can imagine.”

"God And The New Physics" by Paul Davies (1984)4

There are fewer unanswered questions if we discard the complexities of a creator-god, and admit that atheism is more likely. If "everything must have a cause except for the first cause" then that first cause is much more likely to be an atheistic universe with its few basic laws, than a more-complicated creator-god.

3. The Existence of God is Not Enough to Explain the Universe

It is not enough to say that "God exists" as the explanation as to why the Universe exists. If a God created the Universe, then, why did it do so? God must have had thoughts - a creative impulse - to create the space-time continuum. Therefore it is the properties and thoughts of God that explain the Universe, not the mere fact that God exists. God could easily exist for all of its eternity, existing in perfection in a perfect world, without creating the Universe. So saying that God explains the existence of the Universe is not the whole story.


“If God has a plan for the universe, which is implemented as part of his will, why does he not simply create a deterministic universe in which the goal of the plan is inevitable? Or better still create it with the plan achieved?”

"God And The New Physics" by Paul Davies (1984)5

Unfortunately there have been no comprehensive or compelling arguments as to why God created the Universe. This is a problem that effects not only monotheistic religions like Judaism, Christianity and Islam, but also other religions such as Buddhism: Sages from all these religions have tried to explained why existence is the way it is, complete with suffering and death, but none have given a straight answer as to why any of it needed to exist at all.

4. God Doesn't Need a Cause Because It Has Existed Forever

Some theists argue that God is eternal and was therefore never created. But I find this is an argument that can be used in conjunction with Big Bang theory to prove, again, that god is not likely to exist as a first cause. According to some Big Bang theories there has been an infinite number of cycles of Big Bang / Big Crunch (where the Universe ends in a big black hole after contracting, before exploding again) and that the Universe has existed forever. If it is possible for something to exist forever and not need a cause then it is likely to be the Universe, not God, and once again we can theorize that this is likely to be true because there would be no reason for god if it was true that something could exist with no cause.

5. The Nature of God's Thoughts

5.1. Logic Must Predate the First Cause

In order to create, to think, God's thoughts must be more than random. To create the universe and time, God must be able to think logically. If it can't think logically, then, the laws of the universe were simply random, and the Universe might as well been self-created in an atheistic manner. In other words, for God to exist, God's thoughts must have always been ordered in a logical manner otherwise God could never have created order from chaos.


Kepler, one of the great minds in the history of science, came to similar conclusions about geometry, but didn't go as far as to say that it preceded God:

“Geometry existed before the Creation. It is co-eternal with the mind of God... Geometry provided God with a model for the Creation... Geometry is God Himself.”

Johannes Kepler
In "Cosmos" by Carl Sagan (1995)

Kepler was assumedly counting mathematics and the general rules of the universe as 'geometry'.

This means that logic is a precursor to God. Logic, with its simple relations and rules that lets thought itself be ordered, must have existed independently of God's creative power. God could not have created the logic because requires logical thoughts to do any meaningful creating.

This results in two conclusions:
1.
In theology-speak, the first cause is the description given to the creator of the universe, time, the laws of physics, etc. But it seems that in order for the first cause to be a creator-god, then that god cannot have created logic, and cannot therefore be the first cause after all. In other words, the fact that God needs to think logically in order to create means that God itself cannot be the creator of everything, only of parts of reality. In other words, there cannot be any monotheistic creator god.

2.
If God chose to create anything then it must have had reasons to do so. God's "will" is not random, meaningless, chaotic or thoughtless. This means that these "reasons" are dependent on pure logic and must have driven god to do its very first act of creation. These motivations, this initial logic, will have been dictating God's thoughts from the moment of God's inception. If there was no logic and no motivation, God did not create anything on purpose. In that case, you might as well admit that the Universe created itself randomly, and that no creator God was required.


If god created anything according to a thought-out logical plan, or, if God had a desire to create anything that wasn't pure random chaos, then, god's thoughts must have been framed around logic. This logic allowed god to think and create, and, gave motivation to God. Logic must have been the first cause; but if logic is a requirement for God and existed before God could create, then God cannot be the First Cause, and therefore, creator-god theism is false, and atheism is true.

5.2. Saying God is 'Outside' Logic

Some theists will make assertions that god is "outside of outside", "beyond logic", "transcends logic", "not subject to logical limitations" or that "human logic is limited" and other similar argument-stoppers. Although this at first appears to throw all intellectualizing out the window, kick all theology out the front door and firmly garrison the houses of religion from debate, it actually opens up the theist to some further criticisms.

If "Human logic" is insufficient for metaphysics then debating for the existence of God is pointless. Because it is by Human logic, thought and mentality that we arrive at the concept of God in the first place.


If God behaves according to logic that we don't understand (i.e.: Human logic is limited) then God is still behaving according to logic, even if it is logic we don't understand.


To say that god doesn't obey logical rules, to say that God could create a round square, for example, is to say that the abilities of god are abilities that cannot logically exist, making God into fantasy.


"Beyond logic" is a synonym for "irrational", and admissions that beliefs are "beyond logic" is an admission that such beliefs are irrational and logically indefensible.


If God is beyond logic, is it not true that atheists are at least somewhat more rational and logical in their beliefs? It seems to be!

6. Conclusions

If God can make plans, think logically or exist, then logic is an arch-power that encompasses God and gives reason for god's existence which appears to refute the idea that God could be the creator of logic. The God as first-cause argument is partially undermined. If there is no logical reason why God exists then it is more likely that there no logical reason why the Universe exists, and that instead of assuming that the organisational force is a 'god', it's simpler and more rational to assume that it is the universe itself. It appears that whether God exists for logical reasons or not a fundamental contradiction occurs. The only answer is that creator-gods cannot possibly exist. Atheism is more logical. This is also true if God is placed "beyond logic". And if it is said that Human logic is incapable of realizing such metaphysical truths, then this also undermines any argument that can be made by one human to another, for the existence of god.

Theistic arguments that God is 'beyond logic' or at least, beyond human understanding, place God firmly into the territory of irrational fantasy. To retreat into the corner where logic itself is denied, god-believers have admitted that there is no logical basis for their belief. At this point, it is better to try to understand the idea of God in terms of human psychology.

Fascinating write up lowridergirl, lots to digest.

@gumshoejane
Not my views though it is interesting and does create valid points on both sides of an arguement. I just felt left out cos I am not copying and pasting everything as our lovely maxipads here o.O

blah blah blah maxine and his bf are just upset cause their getting owned by women

@777

Why did the LDS church excommunicate Helmuth for going against Hitler in the first place?

Are you saying being a soldier in Hitler's army was against official LDS church policy?

So you're saying being a soldier in Hitler's army was approved by official LDS church policy?

Maxx,
Why are you stirring the ****????
What the hell is wrong with you?

What can I say. "Saintly" Nazi supporters responsible for the deaths of millions of innocents and their affiliates just rub me the wrong way :)

Which part is the lie? That LDS Nazi soldiers were saints or that official LDS church policy obligated Nazi Mormons to kill their Allied "brothers" during the war?

Did not Christ denounce blatant hypocrisy? Haven't you ever read Matthew 23?

I am very much a follower of Christ Jesus, not Joseph Smith or Joseph Smith's caricature of Jesus.

@maxipads
I highly doubt your a follower, a follower doesn't question another's beliefs and then persecute them when YOU think they are wrong

Jesus didn't "persecute" the Scribes and Pharisees for their practice of false teachings?

@maxipads
I said you not Jesus. I highly doubt that your Jesus.

high five lowridergirl

When have I ever claimed to be Christ Jesus? Could this be yet another strawman?

However, Jesus did teach, "A pupil is not above his teacher, but everyone that is perfectly instructed will be like his teacher." (Luke 6:40) He also taught his disciples, "For I set the pattern for YOU, that, just as I did to YOU, YOU should do also." (John 13:15)

As a student of the life and ministry of Christ I make every effort to follow his model as closely as possible. After all, that's what it means to be a Christian, no? (1 Peter 2:21)

Hence, if Jesus denounced the hypocrisy of the Scribes and Pharisees and unmasked them to the world, I am obligated do the same with modern day "Scribes" and "Pharisees" which is what I've done with 777.

In the same way those who made millions with Bernie Madoff would swear up and down he was a brilliant investor, they had to accept the truth that he was nothing more than a con-artist once the truth came out about HOW he was actually going about making them those millions. Did it hurt them? Absolutely! Being taken for a fool would make anyone seethe.

When a sincere one takes a broader look at the effect their churches, among them the LDS, are having on the world, they accept that, instead of promoting love and unity they overtly and tacitly promote violence, hatred, bigotry and bloodlust. Just like those confronted with the horrifying truth of what Bernie Madoff was actually doing had to face facts and accept the truth, sincere and honest-hearted ones need to do the same and realize that 99.999% of todays so-called “Christians” are the cause of much of the needless pain and suffering in this world while simultaneously being the principal reason why so many millions the world over have turned their backs on God and embraced Atheism, Witchcraft and Islam.

so bottom line it............. ur comment is sooooooo wordy what are you really trying to say

If you don't read my replies why should I read anything you post?

@777

Proof?

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maxacunt i mite be a "crack head" but atleast im not a ********* like u

@iamme
lol ouch here I was trying to be polite by calling him maxipads....

maxann and brew you two should be ashamed of your self for bulling / baiting a minor,a young girl.....sad sad lot both of you are for such behavior towards a minor.

I can't believe you!! If you really believe that's a little girl then you've got two brains; one's lost and the other's out looking for it, lol :)

ok take ur chances ... and dont come crying . yes i agree there are many (to many) stupid **** men on e/p portraying themsevles as a young female............but i would not take chances, if it says under 18 - walk away...

I am not bulling or baiting anyone. i have not threaten anyone or caused them any physical harm.

<p>maxann and brew you two use the person own words against them, spin it back at them... nothing ever gets answered,</p><p>just an on going *** for tat contest.</p>

Apologies. What was your question? :)

MAXXANN&gt;&gt;&gt;Apologies. What was your question?

GYPSY&gt;.. EXHIBIT A ^^^^

@iammeandudonotcontrolme

The last time you got arrested for doing drugs did you ask the cop, "What gives you the right to judge me for being a crackhead?"

It's just as silly when you dispute your Creator when He tells you what is right and what is wrong and what he expects of you:

1 Corinthians 6:18 -

Φεύγετε τὴν πορνείαν. πᾶν ἁμάρτημα ὁ ἐὰν ποιήσῃ ἄνθρωπος ἐκτὸς τοῦ σώματος ἐστιν· ὁ δὲ πορνεύων εἰς τὸ ἴδιον σῶμα ἁμαρτάνει.

"Flee from fornication. Every other sin that a man may commit is outside his body, but he that practices fornication is sinning against his own body."


Note that this passages uses conjugations of the term πορνεία. What is πορνεία?


The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon

πορνεία
Strong's Number: 4202

Transliterated Word - Porneia - Phonetic Spelling - por-ni'-ah

Definition:

Illicit sexual intercourse -
1.1 adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
1.2 sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
1.3 sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,


As you can see, with a simple understanding of the Koine term πορνεία, it's easy to see what is and is not acceptable conduct in our Creator's eyes.

What can I say, haters are gonna hate, lol. In fact, I say "Good riddens!" The less haters I have in my life, the more room there is for all those who love me and admire my stance for the truth :)

You overlook the fact that you can't say the right thing to the wrong person and you can't say the wrong thing to the right person.

More to the point, who was kinder, more loving than Jesus Christ himself? Yet he realized those adamant in their belief that they could approach God on their terms would not take kindly to his message and he was right. In the end, they murdered him.

So instead of trying to change the message to suit you, why not change yourself to suit the message?

Maxann... YOUR TRUTH IS UR OWN, ITS WHAT YOU HAVE BOUGHT INTO,

it would be a sad world if we all thought the same, walking around being carbon copies of each other.

@Gyps

Hardly. I didn't invent Christianity. Christ passed on the rules given to him by God and I just follow 'em to the best of my ability.

But, hey, feel free to invent your own religion and "Holy" book. After all, if Charles Manson, Jim Jones, Joseph Smith, L. Ron Hubbard and E. G. White can, why can't you? :)

im sorry what was your question

^^^hahaha good one^^^

@Maxipads
you just copy and paste your words from around the internet. The same comment yoiu just said to Gypsy is the same comment you said to me on a different article you were harassing me about.

@Gyps

Did you forget your reading glasses again? Here it is once more:

Feel free to invent your own religion and "Holy" book. After all, if Charles Manson, Jim Jones, Joseph Smith, L. Ron Hubbard and E. G. White can, why can't you? :)

I'm rude for shining a spotlight on the LDS' complicity with Hitler's Final Solution?!?!?!

TSK TSK TSK

yes i agree reruns from a different story.

So they murdered untold millions of innocents ... because they were cowards?

And if what you claim is true, why did the LDS excommunicate Helmuth Hubener for refusing to murder for Hitler?

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lol enough people that hate me???? dont u mean u maxi? i mean i saw ur pics u look like a child molester just saying

@maxipad
Curious you said a persons belief can be a threat like the groups you mentioned.. heavens gate and all. I've been wondering why you say such a thing wjen you were the one who was.sticking up for them.

That's a strawman. When have I ever endorsed or expressed support for them?

@maxipad
when you stated those groups and then asked what gives me right to judge them? Sounds a tad defensive to me :)

What does give you the authority to judge anyone's beliefs as right or wrong?

what gives u the right maxi to judge people for being gay and don't try to deny u didn't cause u did and u blocked me for it

God's authority, because God says it is sin, it is wrong, and those who are unrepentant of their sins will be cast into eternal damnation.

hebrew ur a retard

And your age and maturity level are showing again.

blah blah i make all A's in my class so i know what im talking about what was ur grades in high school?

How about what were my grades in college. A's in the subjects you study, and oblivious your teachers didn't teach anything in that field. I learned it in school in the 60's. However, we know American education has been dumbed down over the years.

plse u KNOW nothing about what u are talking about.

Honey there are people way smarter than you and me put together.

here's another news flash, when filling out a form that records race, such as birth certificates and such, Jew is not listed.

prove it

Just go fill one out. Being so smart you should be able to find the information yourself. To start just look in the encyclopedia.

why would i fill out a birth certificate???? im not givin birth anytime soon

Others forms have it as well. Do a little research.

yea research .copy paste lol

exactly idk how many times ive told this guy that jewish people no offense to them are a race of people

exactly idk how many times ive told this guy that jewish people no offense to them are a race of people

@iamme
even though a lot of Jewish people would disagree with Maxipads and hebrews it wouldn't matter if they were a race or not, they just like to argue just to argue and that's it. Although you do have a point.

@iamm sad to say but ...&gt; brew and mazann will put a spin on anything said here. they say nothing with any substance, just meaningless words.....

Iname just refuses to beleive what has been the definations of race for way longer than any of us have lived. Refuses to believe what text books and encyclopedias tell us. And you have nothing to back up your claim.

gypsy I am not put a spin on the classifications of the human races. That is how they have been defined.

According to American Israelis If you are referring to a nation in the sense of race, Judaism is not a nation. People are free to convert into Judaism; once converted, they are considered the same as if they were born Jewish. This is not true for a race.

first of all its iamme not iname

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@iammeandudonotcontrolme

Was the ground cold when you crawled out this morning? I mean, there's enough people in this world who hate you without you working so hard to get another one, know what I mean? smh

oh dont argue with dumb and dumber (max and his butt buddie) as one thinks being gay will get someone sent to hell and the other likes to say jewish people are not a race

@iamme
Maxiepad is just a hypocrite

You are still not understanding the difference between a race an ethnic group.
Guess you still don't believe the encyclopedia :
To classify humans on the basis of physical traits is difficult, for the coexistence of races through conquests, invasions, migrations, and mass deportations has produced a heterogeneous world population. Nevertheless, by limiting the criteria to such traits as skin pigmentation, color and form of hair, shape of head, stature, and form of nose, most anthropologists historically agreed on the existence of three relatively distinct groups: the Caucasoid, the Mongoloid, and the Negroid.

It list 3 races, none which say Jew.
Ethnicity is cultural identity of a group from a nation state, while race is biological and/or cultural essentialization of a group hierarchy of superiority/inferiority related to their biological constitution

ugh hewbrew u are retarded and u DONT understand **** now kindly **** OFF

And you know more than the experts in the field? i fully understand what people who are experts in the field are saying. And according to them there is race called Jew.

experts in the field???? these are the same experts who said the world was gonna end and so fourth..... they are not experts even in the bible they MENTION jews not some other race of people so therefore JEWS= RACE

No, people who work in the field of biology didn't make any such predictions, lots of people were mentioned in the bible, not just Jews. Just mentioning a group of people doesn't make them a race.

um yes it does ur a idiot u really are u need to go check ur facts again

And your reference to validate your point is? The classification for the races were defined many years before most if not all those doomsday groups existed.

what does race have to do with dooms day idealogy?

@gypsy
I am hiding something because I wont tell hebrews what the name of God is lol so yes race has err umm a lot to do with dooms day! (sarcasm!)

:D

yea odd mix....... Dooms day and Race... sounds like a fox news spin ....

Yes Iname said that the folks who have defined the races are the same poeple who predicted the end of the world.

@hebrews
No you said it did, clearly is says hebrews132? Look up a couple comments, no?

:D

hebrews132


And your reference to validate your point is? The classification for the races were defined many years before most if not all those doomsday groups existed.

Hmmmm that sounds pretty much like you were trying to state what you call in your mind facts even though they arn't.

See above:

iammeandudonotcontrolme


experts in the field???? these are the same experts who said the world was gonna end and so fourth..... they are not experts even in the bible they MENTION jews not some other race of people so therefore JEWS= RACE

2 days ago

@hebrews
all she was doing was discrediting the fact that the same people who said the world would end, has indeed not ended yet, she also stated that these same people said that Jews were not a race, so how are we suppose to believe people who said the world was gonna end but it never happened. People tend to say white lies every now and the but the world ending? Well the world did indeed not end so why should we believe them on other things?

I CANT believe I had to break that comment down for you! WOW.

OK well too many idiots so little time. Peace out hebrews and maxipads.

Notice you were quick to blame me for saying something as the original poster of the subject when I was replying to a another's response. But said not to correct the fact that I was responding and not introducing the subject. No, she has not proven that the people who work in the field which deals with species and such are the doomsday people. She provides no reference to anything she claims.

Only a fool would believe them, for if you knew the scripture(bible which you don't believe in) it would have given you the answer and you would know that the world wasn't gonna end. The first published classification of the races was in the 1600's. I doubt any of the doomsday groups existed in the 1600's. So, how could it be the same people?

Probably just another question you can't answer.

@hebrews
Its not that I can't answer I just dont feel like I owe you any answers regarding religion, all you do is troll you don't actually care, there is a difference between someone that actually wants to debate versus someone who came on here just to stir things a little. I can tell the difference. If you did honestly care you would look at things from a different perspective rather than the condenscending tone you use when you type. You also wouldn't be arguing with a 15 year old girl if you were not a troll.

The only view to look at is from God's view. However, you don't want to accept God's way, but do it your way. All you have is to name call, which is very characteristic of someone your age. I do care about the truth as God has defined it, but you wouldn't know what that is and are trying to define your own.

@hebrews
I never name called you, you chose to turn a debate into a religion bashing hate speech. I called you a troll because your profile has characteristics of a typical troll, only four groups and comments and stories suggesting all you do is harass people who disagree with you. If they block you, you write stories about them at what your attempt of "calling them out" but calling them out in a negative way and not encouraging positive debate. Wouldn't that be a troll, yes or no? I am probably pretty sure if I went on most of these people's profiles I probably wouldn't find a single story written about YOU personally aside from petty comments.And I am betting that they never even HEARD of you before you started going on their profiles. Troll yes or no?

Exhibit A:
http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Am-Debunking-The-Bible/2519083

Exhibit B:
http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Am-Christian/2338063

Exhibit C:
Is your recent activity suggests you are mostly on this article ONLY with making the MOST comments, that and on my bible verses article suggesting you are trolling back and fourth.

Troll yes or no? :D

The number of group you belong to doesn't prove a troll. I don't have time to be on hundreds or thousands of groups. I don't do facebook, as I don't need hundreds of "friends" I've never met. Not a troll, you can't debate with someone who can not provide reference to support their claim.

Again you make a claim of hate speech, where did I say anything.

You failed to post anything I have posted that has encouraged anyone or blessed them in anyway.

So, bible verse has had a lot activity proves what exactly. Most of the stories on here get no responses.

Why would I care or want people to write a story about me personally? It's not a popularity contest.

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Christ Jesus taught, "“Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction,* and many are the ones going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it." (Mt 7:13,14)

He also taught, "Do YOU imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell YOU, but rather division." (Lu 12:51)

In other words, there's "us" and then there's "them." Truth be told, Jesus’ ministry stirred up plenty of drama causing divisions even within families, but it was because of his adherence to, and proclamation of, God’s righteous standards and truth. Division resulted because many individuals hardened their hearts against these truths while others accepted them. (Joh 8:40, 44-47; 15:22-25; 17:14) This was unavoidable if the divine principles were to be upheld; but the blame lay with the rejecters of what was right.

So, too, enmity was foretold to come because Jehovah’s perfect standards would allow for no condoning of the rebellious course of those who opposed him or tried to come to him on their terms. God’s disapproval of such ones and his blessing of those holding to a righteous course would have a divisive effect (Joh 15:18-21; Jas 4:4), even as in the case of Cain and Abel.—Ge 4:2-8; Heb 11:4; 1Jo 3:12; Jude 10, 11

@777

Thank you for asking :)


Here are some of my Bible based beliefs:

Bible is God's only Word and is truth - 2 Tim. 3:16, 17; 2 Pet. 1:20, 21; John 17:17

Bible is more reliable than tradition - Matt. 15:3; Col. 2:8

The Creator, God's, name is Jehovah - Ps. 83:18; Isa. 26:4; 42:8, AS; Ex. 6:3

Christ is God's Son and is inferior to Him - Matt. 3:17; John 8:42; 14:28; 20:17; 1 Cor. 11:3; 15:28

Christ was first of God's creations - Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14

Christ's human life was paid as a ransom for obedient humans - Matt. 20:28; 1 Tim. 2:5, 6; 1 Pet. 2:24

Christ's one sacrifice was sufficient - Rom. 6:10; Heb. 9:25-28

Christ was raised from the dead as an immortal spirit person - 1 Pet. 3:18; Rom. 6:9; Rev. 1:17, 18

Christ's presence is in spirit - John 14:19; Matt. 24:3; 2 Cor. 5:16; Ps. 110:1, 2

Kingdom under Christ will rule earth in righteousness and peace - Isa. 9:6, 7; 11:1-5; Dan. 7:13, 14; Matt. 6:10

Kingdom will bring ideal living conditions to earth - Ps. 72:1-4; Rev. 7:9, 10, 13-17; 21:3, 4

Earth will never be destroyed or depopulated - Eccl. 1:4; Isa. 45:18; Ps. 78:69

God will eliminate present system of things in the battle at Har-Magedon - Rev. 16:14, 16; Zeph. 3:8; Dan. 2:44; Isa. 34:2; 55:10, 11

Wicked will be eternally destroyed - Matt. 25:41-46; 2 Thess. 1:6-9

People God approves will receive everlasting life - John 3:16; 10:27, 28; 17:3; Mark 10:29, 30

There is only one road to life - Matt. 7:13, 14; Eph. 4:4, 5

Human death is due to Adam's sin - Rom. 5:12; 6:23

The human soul ceases to exist at death - Ezek. 18:4; Eccl. 9:10; Ps. 6:5; 146:4; John 11:11-14

Hell is mankind's common grave - Job 14:13, Dy; Rev. 20:13, 14, AV (margin)

Hope for dead is resurrection - 1 Cor. 15:20-22; John 5:28, 29; 11:25, 26

Adamic death will cease - 1 Cor. 15:26, 54; Rev. 21:4; Isa. 25:8

Only a little flock of 144,000 go to heaven and rule with Christ - Luke 12:32; Rev. 14:1, 3; 1 Cor. 15:40-53; Rev. 5:9, 10

The 144,000 are born again as spiritual sons of God - 1 Pet. 1:23; John 3:3; Rev. 7:3, 4

New covenant is made with spiritual Israel - Jer. 31:31; Heb. 8:10-13

Christ's congregation is built upon himself - Eph. 2:20; Isa. 28:16; Matt. 21:42

Prayers are to be directed only to Jehovah through Christ - John 14:6, 13, 14; 1 Tim. 2:5

Images should not be used in worship - Ex. 20:4, 5; Lev. 26:1; 1 Cor. 10:14; Ps. 115:4-8

Spiritism must be shunned - Deut. 18:10-12; Gal. 5:19-21; Lev. 19:31

Satan is invisible ruler of world - 1 John 5:19; 2 Cor. 4:4; John 12:31

A Christian ought to have no part in interfaith movements - 2 Cor. 6:14-17; 11:13-15; Gal. 5:9; Deut. 7:1-5

A Christian should keep separate from world - Jas. 4:4; 1 John 2:15; John 15:19; 17:16

Obey human laws that do not conflict with God's laws - Matt. 22:20, 21; 1 Pet. 2:12; 4:15

Bible's laws on morals must be obeyed - 1 Cor. 6:9, 10; Heb. 13:4; 1 Tim. 3:2; Prov. 5:1-23

Sabbath observance was given only to Israel and ended with Mosaic Law - Deut. 5:15; Ex. 31:13; Rom. 10:4; Gal. 4:9, 10; Col. 2:16, 17

A clergy class and special titles are improper - Matt. 23:8-12; 20:25-27; Job 32:21, 22

Man did not evolve but was created - Isa. 45:12; Gen. 1:27; Matt. 19:4

Christ set example that must be followed in serving God - 1 Pet. 2:21; Heb. 10:7; John 4:34; 6:38

Baptism by complete immersion symbolizes dedication - Mark 1:9, 10; John 3:23; Acts 19:4, 5

Christians gladly give public testimony to Scriptural truth - Rom. 10:10; Heb. 13:15; Isa. 43:10-12

Because I study the Bible and worship Jehovah God with them :)

Also, just out of curiosity, which of my Bible based beliefs do you disagree with and why? :)

@Gypsy

She says she worships Death. Mayhaps she's a Satantist as well.

Like it or not, a person's religious beliefs can be a threat to our very lives. Ever hear Al-Qaeda, Heaven's Gate, The Solar Temple, Branch Davidians or The People's Temple?

To pretend otherwise in this day and age of terrorism and school massacres is naive. For all we know her worship of Death (and Satan too maybe?) could compel her to gun down grade schoolers ... or worst ...

After all, her brothers in faith - the Mexican drug cartels in particular - are ruthlessly violent.

What do you mean by "get rid of her"?

And, yes, I do remember your "defense" of the LDS' complicity with Adolf Hitler's Final Solution - it was nothing short of an admission of guilt.

Hey, I'll make a deal with you. I'll stop telling the truth about you if you promise to stop telling lies about me, deal? :)

Christ Jesus taught, "“Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction,* and many are the ones going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it." (Mt 7:13,14)

He also taught, "Do YOU imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell YOU, but rather division." (Lu 12:51)

In other words, there's "us" and then there's "them." Truth be told, Jesus’ ministry stirred up plenty of drama causing divisions even within families, but it was because of his adherence to, and proclamation of, God’s righteous standards and truth. Division resulted because many individuals hardened their hearts against these truths while others accepted them. (Joh 8:40, 44-47; 15:22-25; 17:14) This was unavoidable if the divine principles were to be upheld; but the blame lay with the rejecters of what was right.

So, too, enmity was foretold to come because Jehovah’s perfect standards would allow for no condoning of the rebellious course of those who opposed him or tried to come to him on their terms. God’s disapproval of such ones and his blessing of those holding to a righteous course would have a divisive effect (Joh 15:18-21; Jas 4:4), even as in the case of Cain and Abel.—Ge 4:2-8; Heb 11:4; 1Jo 3:12; Jude 10, 11

It's been fun. Until next time doll! :*

maxann..&gt; Hey, I'll make a deal with you. I'll stop telling the truth about you if you promise to stop telling lies about me, deal?

gypsy....&gt; wow sounds just like punn . ill do this, if u do that............ as if they had no part in it at all .mmmmmmmmm

@gypsy

That was just straight up gangsta! lol

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@777

Hitler's actions and your religion's complicity with them ... was just a screw up? No big deal in your Creator's eyes?

@maxipad
Your creator? God is all of us and your not a true Christian. To tell you the truth you sound a bit more of athiestic belief system.

How very pantheistic of you. Here's why, though, your definition defies logic and reason:

(1) Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
(2) The space-time universe began to exist 13.70 billion years ago.
(3) Therefore, the space-time universe has a cause.

(4) The cause of the universe is a transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent and personal being.
(5) A transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent and personal being is the definition of God.
(6) Therefore, God caused the universe to exist 13.70 billion years ago.


http://bit.ly/SSsy8x

@maxipads
there you go copying and pasting again.

What does any of that have to do with the fact that it's true?

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MAXANN >>>'m curious, what rites, practices and rituals are involved in your worship of Death?


gypsy..> are you speaking of the DAY OF THE DEAD ?

@gypsy
oh my gosh you are the only one to finally mention that! Just when I was beginning to think most people were ill informed on here and believed what they heard in the media and hollywood. Lol thank you! You are always a smart woman. :)

Not the same. 2 Different celebrations.

The Day of the Dead and Santa Muerte do posses very similar traits to the untrained eye. While both have thematic elements that involve skeletons, their origins and reasons for being are quite different. One should also keep in mind their origins differ geographically. The Day of the Dead is a Oaxacan celebration tradition while Santa Muerte seems to be favored in the Barrios of Mexico City and in areas of heightened black market activity in a daily capacity where people must cope with the rigors of crime, poverty &amp; illness.

Oaxaca city in mexico ?

southwestern mexico

what city or town or barrio are you speaking of ?

The “Barrios Mágicos” of Mexico City is a list of twenty one areas in the Federal District, which have been named “magical neighborhoods” in order to attract tourism to them. The program is sponsored by the city government but is patterned after the “Pueblos Mágicos” (Magical Towns) program of the Mexican federal government.[1][2] However, one difference is that the city does not require the “barrios” to make changes in their appearance to be accepted.[1]

The first of the barrios were named in 2011 by city Secretary of Tourism Alejandro Rojas Díaz Durán.[3] Each of the twenty one named neighborhoods received stylistic scrolls with the accreditation with acceptance by registration in the official newspaper called the Gaceta Oficial del DF.[1] The first to receive its scroll was Santa María Magdalena Atlitic.[4]

The twenty one neighborhoods include the historic center of Coyoacán, the Roma-Condesa zone, the historic center of Xochimilco, San Ángel, San Agustín de la Cuevas (historic center of Tlalpan), Santa María la Ribera, Zona Rosa, Garibaldi, Villa de Guadalupe, Mixcoac, Tacubaya, Santa María Magdalena Atlitic, historic center of Azcapotzalco, La Merced, Mixquic, historic center of Cuajimalpa, San Pedro Atocpan, Pueblo Culhuacán, Tacuba, Santa Julia and the historic center of Iztacalco.[5] The city's Secretary of Tourism plans on having thirty such neighborhoods,[1] with areas such as the Los Dinamos ecological reserve nominated.[3]

good copy paste thanks

you have listed so many, which one did the &gt;&gt;. The Day of the Dead and Santa Muerte originate from?

The Day of the Dead is a Oaxacan celebration tradition (southwestern Mexico)

Santa Muerte seems to be favored in the Barrios of Mexico City and in areas of heightened black market activity.

Where those are you would have to look up on the map.

Yes like i mentioned, Oaxaca Mexico ... a simple yes or no would of been much easier ..Thanks

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@maxipad
you are not going to turn me against God I can believe all I want to as well as have my own set of morals or values. I dont owe any explanation to someone that is trying to do so.

What god am I trying to turn you against? Darkseid, Crom, Chukwu? Which one?

@Lowrider

If you're part of a religion that accommodates the likes of drug cartels, prostitutes, homosexuals, bisexuals and transsexuals how are we not supposed to associate you with these who practice gross sin?

How does that make you any different from an LDS member who is fully aware of the church's complicity with Hitler's Genocidal Final Solution but choses to remain an LDS anyway?

Ever hear the saying, "Tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are"?

@Lowrider

If your beliefs are just a hodgepodge of opinions you've put together to suit your tastes and views, how are you not just your own god rendering worship unto yourself?

@Lowrider

More to the point, what makes your beliefs right and theirs wrong?

@maxiepad
see that's my problem I never said that, you said that not me lol

You don't feel the spiritual beliefs of Satanism, Al-Qaeda, Heaven's Gate, The Solar Temple, Branch Davidians or The People's Temple are wrong and yours correct?

@Lowrider

What concrete evidence led you to conclude that Santa Muerte is a true god as opposed to the false gods Zeus, Hermes, Athena, Baal, Dagon, Molech, Chukwu, Gamab, Khonvoum, Izanagi, Omoikane, Hachiman, Apsu, Nammu, Mitra, Sarasvati or Shiva?

@Lowridergirl

I'm curious, what rites, practices and rituals are involved in your worship of Death?

@maxx
I told you I dont do that stuff I worship to honor my ancestors who came before me.

Maxx"
Rites dedicated to Santa Muerte are similar to Catholic rites, including processions and prayers with the aim of gaining a favor.[7] Many believers in Santa Muerte are Catholics, who invoke the name of God, Christ and the Virgin in their petitions to Santa Muerte.[12] Altars contain an image of Santa Muerte, generally surrounded by any or all of the following: cigarettes, flowers, fruit, incense, alcoholic beverages, coins, candies and candles.[2][7] According to popular belief, Santa Muerte is very powerful and is reputed to grant many favors. These images, like those of saints, are treated as real persons who can give favors in return for the faith of the believer, with miracles playing a vital role. In many ways, Santa Muerte acts like any other saint. However, Santa Muerte can grant favors that no other saint can, such as cause a person to fall in love with you, damage property, or even harm or cause the death of someone, but only in the name of justice. In exchange, the petitioner must be in the right and continue to live so.[4][15] As Señora de la Noche ("Lady of the Night"), she is often invoked by those exposed to the dangers of working at night, such as taxi drivers, mariachi players, bar owners, police, soldiers, and prostitutes. As such, she can protect against assaults, accidents, gun violence and all types of violent death.


Which sounds like casting spells and etc on people. didn't say anything about honoring your dead family.

@Hebrews

Thanks for the info. Freaky and eye opening stuff ...

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The nerve of some of these "Christians". They're sooooo judgmental they won't even use counterfeit money :)

Does that mean there's no such thing as evil Christians or slutty Christians? :)

which are you maxx

Well if anyone can be a Christian, why discriminate? h eh eehh :)

i dont know you tell me why

I've got a better question. Is there any circumstance under which Jehovah God - the God of Jesus, the God of the Bible - would stop loving someone?

sorry i dont know ur god to answer that................... and besides, u have not answerd what i asked u...you have made a question out of a question, i can play ur game too u know lol : )

Ok. What did you ask me again? :)

Wait, are you quasi-Muslim too like Lowrider?

maxx never mind.... im to tired.... and have to much on my mind to go on ..... yah knwo how it can be with life..... **** happens

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope everything sorts itself out with you soon :)

@Maxx
I think your a slutty Christian just as well as I am a "quasi" Muslim geesh :/

@lowrider

ROFLOL!! Stop it!! Stop it!! You're killing me!! ROFLOL!!! :D :D

@Maxx

**** D:

:)

Heh? What did you say? You know how I consider profanity to be sooo boorish. Clean out your potty mouth and then tell me what you wanted to say, k? :*

@Maxx
Make me :D

Sweetie, I told you I'm not into that BDSM stuff, heh eh e :*

cute, low ridergirl (((hugs))))

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This is a good article. Anyone who calls anyone a fake Christian is lying to themselves there is no such thing as a fake Christian as God has so many meanings to so many different people, its not fake, its just different view points that people don't agree with, if its not the traditional way of believing in something for some that is immoral, they ask themselves "well how can a person believe in this but not believe in this?" And that is enough to call them "fake." I don't really get it though as they say your not suppose to judge if your a Christian, your suppose to love people because that is what the religion is about, if a person is a Christian and then hates somebody for being different than them that is fake in itself because pretty soon it doesn't become a religion of love it becomes a religion of hate and intolerance and I don't like that one bit!

I also think that calling anyone fake for believing in other things besides God itself is fake because what people don't realize is, is even if you believe in multiple religions or if you just believe in Christianity or if you believe in Buddahism or original Native American culture and religion, it doesn't matter, its still a form of God, it might not be the original BELIEF in God but it is still variations of it no matter how or which God you choose to represent, it all links in itself and overlaps itself all the time! Because that is what religion is, GOD doesn't matter which one, its still faith and love.

lol I just went on a rant.

LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE this article :D

Hey, hey, what about genocidal, mass murdering Christians? Are they Christians too? hehheeh :)

It does mater, there is only 1 true and living God and it is not Buddha or Mohammad

Christianity is not a religion it is a relationship.

@Hebrews

Uh, oh. You're in for it now, lol :)

@Hebrews

You know, I never did get your answer. Why were the first century Christians **organized** into congregations where individuals shared together in their worship, received direction from the governing body in Jerusalem and engaged in the organized preaching of the Good News of the Kingdom of God? Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamon, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea are the names of just a few mentioned in the Bible.

Why did they have an organized system to appoint those who would take the lead in these congregations and for those who assisted them?

Why did they have a system in place to discipline - even expel from the congregation - those who unrepentantly practiced serious sin?

They came together into congregations to worship the lord and hear the word. You have to have leadership or else everything would be in chaos. We need to be about the business of the Kingdom, not on questions which don't bring about the good news.

So they WERE an organized religion! Who woulda thunk? h e hehehe :)

No, assembling together to worship God. The scripture gives instructions on how leadership of the local assemblies should look like. That was their main focus to worship the Lord, not about organizing a religion.

@hebrews132
Interesting you tell me what to believe in, I can do whatever I wish! Oh but you don't realize most Christians go against their teachings all the time, we wouldn't have so many bad things happen in the world if they didn't, no? :D

I tell you only to believe what God says. True you can do what you wish, God gave us free will. However, it ain't about you, it is about following Jesus ( if you are a true believer). I know that not all Christians follow the scriptures. Christians are not perfect, but should aiming for the mark. All the bad things in the world are not because of Christians not following God. The things that happen to us are based on our personal relationship with God. Scripture tells us it rains on the just and unjust.

@Hebrews

Are you familiar at all with what the term "religion" means?

@Hebrews

Lowrider's got a point. It's so-called Christians who give Christ a bad name.

@hebrews132
How can you practice what you preach and whats in the bible when people go against its teachings all the time? It it suppose to be about tolerance, love, and respect, but whevenever you come across a person or people with different views, your first instinct is to "attack" and yeah yeah I know spread thy word of God and all that, but really, its all the same, how is it about love and respect when you take different parts of the bible to suit your needs and back up your own hatered and biased of things. Don't like Gay people(as an example)? Oh why not there is a verse for that in there, why don't you just copy and paste from it when I ask you why and say "this is why I don't like Gay people?" Because that is what happens when you argue with "Christians". Oh hey, why not, don't like other religions? There are bible versus for that :D lol. Just saying.

More of what this religion is about:

For the land of Israel lies empty and broken after your attacks, but the LORD will restore its honor and power again. Shields flash red in the sunlight! The attack begins! See their scarlet uniforms! Watch as their glittering chariots move into position, with a forest of spears waving above them. The chariots race recklessly along the streets and through the squares, swift as lightning, flickering like torches. The king shouts to his officers; they stumble in their haste, rushing to the walls to set up their defenses. But too late! The river gates are open! The enemy has entered! The palace is about to collapse! Nineveh's exile has been decreed, and all the servant girls mourn its capture. Listen to them moan like doves; watch them beat their breasts in sorrow. Nineveh is like a leaking water reservoir! The people are slipping away. "Stop, stop!" someone shouts, but the people just keep on running. Loot the silver! Plunder the gold! There seems no end to Nineveh's many treasures – its vast, uncounted wealth. Soon the city is an empty shambles, ******** of its wealth. Hearts melt in horror, and knees shake. The people stand aghast, their faces pale and trembling. (Nahum 2:2-10 NLT)

"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert. The city that once was so proud will become a pasture for sheep and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will settle there. Owls of many kinds will live among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie open to the wind and weather. This is the fate of that boisterous city, once so secure. "In all the world there is no city as great as I," it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist. (Zephaniah 2:12-15 NLT)

Meanwhile, Sisera ran to the tent of Jael, the wife of Heber the Kenite, because Heber's family was on friendly terms with King Jabin of Hazor. Jael went out to meet Sisera and said to him, "Come into my tent, sir. Come in. Don't be afraid." So he went into her tent, and she covered him with a blanket. "Please give me some water," he said. "I'm thirsty." So she gave him some milk to drink and covered him again. "Stand at the door of the tent," he told her. "If anybody comes and asks you if there is anyone here, say no." But when Sisera fell asleep from exhaustion, Jael quietly crept up to him with a hammer and tent peg. Then she drove the tent peg through his temple and into the ground, and so he died. When Barak came looking for Sisera, Jael went out to meet him. She said, "Come, and I will show you the man you are looking for." So he followed her into the tent and found Sisera lying there dead, with the tent peg through his temple. So on that day Israel saw God subdue Jabin, the Canaanite king. And from that time on Israel became stronger and stronger against King Jabin, until they finally destroyed him. (Judges 4:17-24 NLT)

Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel's son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT)

Noah, a man of the soil, was the first to plant a vineyard. He drank some of the wine and became drunk, and he lay uncovered in his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside. Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father; their faces were turned away, and they did not see their father's nakedness. When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done to him, he said, "Cursed be Canaan; lowest of slaves shall he be to his brothers." He also said, "Blessed by the Lord my God be Shem; and let Canaan be his slave. May God make space for Japheth, and let him live in the tents of Shem; and let Canaan be his slave." (Genesis 9:20-27 NRSV)

Killed by a Lion:

Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

More Baby Killing:

"The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

Killing the Good Samaritan:

"The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals."
"When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God." (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)

Slave Beating:

"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property." Exodus 21:20-21 NAB

Baby Bashing:

"Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock." Psalms 137:9 NAB

The Danites Kill the Next Town:

But the territory of the Danites was too small for them; so the Danites marched up and attacked Leshem, which they captured and put to the sword. Once they had taken possession of Lesham, they renamed the settlement after their ancestor Dan. (Joshua 19:47 NAB)

Beat Children of Mixed Marriages:

About the same time I realized that some of the men of Judah had married women from Ashdod, Ammon, and Moab. Even worse, half their children spoke in the language of Ashdod or some other people and could not speak the language of Judah at all. So I confronted them and called down curses on them. I beat some of them and pulled out their hair. I made them swear before God that they would not let their children intermarry with the pagan people of the land. "Wasn't this exactly what led King Solomon of Israel into sin?" I demanded. "There was no king from any nation who could compare to him, and God loved him and made him king over all Israel. But even he was led into sin by his foreign wives. How could you even think of committing this sinful deed and acting unfaithfully toward God by marrying foreign women? (Nehemiah 13:23-27 NLT)

Mass Murder:

"This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and *****.'" (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals:

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."
(Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Let Children Starve:

So let their children starve! Let the sword pour out their blood! Let their wives become widows without any children! Let their old men die in a plague, and let their young men be killed in battle! Let screaming be heard from their homes as warriors come suddenly upon them. For they have dug a pit for me, and they have hidden traps along my path. (Jeremiah 18:21-22 NLT)

Nations Saved for Target Practice:

The LORD left certain nations in the land to test those Israelites who had not participated in the wars of Canaan. He did this to teach warfare to generations of Israelites who had no experience in battle. These were the nations: the Philistines (those living under the five Philistine rulers), all the Canaanites, the Sidonians, and the Hivites living in the hill country of Lebanon from Mount Baal-hermon to Lebo-hamath. These people were left to test the Israelites – to see whether they would obey the commands the LORD had given to their ancestors through Moses. (Judges 3:1-4 NLT)

Destroy Towns of Nonbelievers:

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Murder in Gods Name:

Solomon heard that Shimei had left Jerusalem and had gone to Gath and returned. So he sent for Shimei and demanded, "Didn't I make you swear by the LORD and warn you not to go anywhere else, or you would surely die? And you replied, 'The sentence is fair; I will do as you say.' Then why haven't you kept your oath to the LORD and obeyed my command?" The king also said to Shimei, "You surely remember all the wicked things you did to my father, King David. May the LORD punish you for them. But may I receive the LORD's rich blessings, and may one of David's descendants always sit on this throne." Then, at the king's command, Benaiah son of Jehoiada took Shimei outside and killed him. So the kingdom was now firmly in Solomon's grip. (1 Kings 2:41-46 NLT)

Circumcise Your Slaves:

God said to Abraham, "As for you, you shall keep my covenant, you and your offspring after you throughout their generations. This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you. Throughout your generations every male among you shall be circumcised when he is eight days old, including the slave born in your house and the one bought with your money from any foreigner who is not of your offspring. Both the slave born in your house and the one bought with your money must be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant. (Genesis 17:9-13 NRS)

Be Slaves of Babylon:

By my great power I have made the earth and all its people and every animal. I can give these things of mine to anyone I choose. Now I will give your countries to King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, who is my servant. I have put everything, even the wild animals, under his control. All the nations will serve him and his son and his grandson until his time is up. But then many nations and great kings will conquer and rule over Babylon. So you must submit to Babylon's king and serve him; put your neck under Babylon's yoke! I will punish any nation that refuses to be his slave, says the LORD. I will send war, famine, and disease upon that nation until Babylon has conquered it. (Jeremiah 27:5-8 NLT)

Men with Long Hair are a Disgrace:

Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:14-15 NAS)
(P.S. Every painting of Jesus that I have seen has him with long hair.)

Women are Subordinate to Men:

But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying disgraces his head. But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved. For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; for indeed man was not created for the woman's sake, but woman for the man's sake. Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. (1 Corinthians 11:3-10 NAS)

Children Punished for Their Father's Sins:

Please, Lord, prove that your power is as great as you have claimed it to be. For you said, "The LORD is slow to anger and rich in unfailing love, forgiving every kind of sin and rebellion. Even so he does not leave sin unpunished, but he punishes the children for the sins of their parents to the third and fourth generations." (Numbers 14:17-18 NLT)

Plagues for Nonbelieving Nations:

And the LORD will send a plague on all the nations that fought against Jerusalem. Their people will become like walking corpses, their flesh rotting away. Their eyes will shrivel in their sockets, and their tongues will decay in their mouths. On that day they will be terrified, stricken by the LORD with great panic. They will fight against each other in hand-to-hand combat; Judah, too, will be fighting at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the neighboring nations will be captured – great quantities of gold and silver and fine clothing. This same plague will strike the horses, mules, camels, donkeys, and all the other animals in the enemy camps. In the end, the enemies of Jerusalem who survive the plague will go up to Jerusalem each year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Shelters. And any nation anywhere in the world that refuses to come to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, will have no rain. And if the people of Egypt refuse to attend the festival, the LORD will punish them with the same plague that he sends on the other nations who refuse to go. Egypt and the other nations will all be punished if they don't go to celebrate the festival. (Zechariah 14:12-19 NLT)

lots of meanings to the word religion, none of which is Jesus.

Oh but don't worry, I will just pick out the parts of the bible and follow it :D

Calling yourself something, doesn't make you that.

@Lowrider

On what privilege or authority do you judge the moral values of another people?

What other people follow or don't follow from scripture is on them, it has nothing to do with another following the scriptures.

Just because a person is a sinner or a a believer who struggles with certain sins doesn't mean other Christians don't like, love or tolerant them. However, we can not call right what god has called wrong. God says all sexual immorality is sin. Look at the instances Jesus had with individuals, He replied to them, GO AND SIN NO MORE. So Jesus doesn't except to just brush any sin we don't want to give up (all the ones He died for) under the rug and say it is OK for me to keep this one. Jesus must increase, I must decrease.

@Hebrews

No, no, I meant in the English language. Are you familiar with what the term "religion" specifically means? :)

Oh so i can't believe in God, that is what your telling me? doesn't the bible teach you not to judge? Oh but somehow in your twisted mind you think its right to judge others because your favorite bible passages tell you so but don't worry, Im sure you'll probably pick out your favorite verse and it will make you feel better ;). Meanwhile Im not going to believe in God because you tell me I can't.

Yeah right. I will believe in God despite what you say, I am not gonna jump off a bridge just cos you tell me to. Who do you think you are?

Ohhhhh now I am all screwed up! Let me go pick out a bible verse to make me feel better and justify my actions :D

@hebrews
you said lots of meanings? Clearly you didn't read the passages, they come from the bible, I read them as did millions of other people. There is no meaning in baby killing, rape, genocide, slavery, and ****** you cannot twist them around when those subjects are so clearly in the bible.

Oh but wait.

We didn't land on the moon either :D

Oh wait you can twist them around. Those things are OK to do to another human being if they are not Christian, if they go up against the word of God, then its OK to do anything to them and it justify's it, isn't that what some passages state anyways?

Nobody said any of the things you are talking about. Where did I say you can't believe in God? God has already done the judging. I don't pick and choose scripture, I choose it all. God has given scripture which applies to every situation in life.

nobody told you to jump off a bridge. Your age may be showing.

Lots of meanings to the word religion, not to the scriptures you quoted.

Nope, that is not what those passages mean. You have to go back to original text, the audience, the context, the culture.

@Maxx
Its curious you say I judge other people, when Christians tell me all the time I can't believe in God, that is judging me, correct? The question here is, why do you say I don't have a right to defend myself, what makes you say you have that power to say such a thing?

@hebrew
You said exactly 18 minutes ago: Calling yourself something, doesn't make you that. I call myself multi religious because that is what I am but I also believe in God but you said calling myself something doesn't make me that. No?

And you still havent answered my question, there is so much genocide, rape, murder, mass murder, ******, slavery, baby killing, adultress killing etc etc in the bible, but your religion is about love? That is a little bit twisted and sadistic to believe in something with so many bad things and God condoning it.

Thus why I don't believe in the bible is because it gives God a bad name and I don't like it. Just cos his followers condone violence doesn't mean i do

That is correct, many call themselves Christian but are not. Just as I can call myself a doctor, police, teacher or anything else, but that doesn't make one. There is only one way to be a Jesus follower. part of what is in the bible is history, and is telling the events that happened. Not everything is condoned by God just because it happened. Somethings happened because man got in the way, tried to do man's way and not God;s way. So there were consequences to man's intervention. Jesus followers don't condone violence.

The bible is God's word no matter what (apparently this is the belief,) so everything violent in that book is "God's word" if you said it didn't condon violence you would be doing what everyone else does which is pick out your favorite parts in the bible. There are a lot of passages in the bible where God condons violence if it justify's what went on in that time period and his "message" for that said time period, in a way that in condoning violence. :D Thus why I don't believe in the bible.

Again you need to go to the original text. Yes it is God word, and God has shown us in His word how things go awry when man tries to do man's way.

God is a Holy Just God and Father, just as your parents(or maybe not) told you that if you do a certain thing(after being told not to) that the consequences were going to be such and such. God does bless and God does chastise.

If you believe in God, then you believe His word,or it is like saying I believe in the police officer, but I don't believe the law.

These are not my people. One is a legal group, nothing to do with Jesus.

@hebrew
I can believe in God but not the bible, its not your place to tell me otherwise, the bible says not to judge supposably so don't judge. I don't judge hard core Christians, but I will defend myself if they come on my articles and say I can't believe in something. So **** off.

@hebrew
if i believe in the bible then that means I condon the events that goes on in the book, of which I do not support rape and mass murder :D that is my right and its not your place.

It is my place to tell people the truth. How are you going to know God without reading His Word? God gave us the Word to show us the way to salvation and how to live holy lives unto God. You misunderstand the scriptures and the teaching on judging. Of course you wouldn't know or understand as you don't believe or read the scriptures.

Nope, it doesn't mean that at all. However, one who doesn't read and believe in the scriptures aren't going to understand them.

yes, it is my place, Jesus commissioned us to go and spread the gospel. But you won't beleive that because you don't believe the scriptures.

@Lowrider

Who is your god and why do you worship it?

@hebrew
Its not your place to tell me what I can believe in and what I can't. You judging me is going against everything your kind stands for ;D

@Maxx
I believe in Santa Muerte which is the angel of death or the saint of death despite which path you go down, but I believe in that God because I like to honor my ancestors who died for my freedom. You have to respect the dead and harm none, that is my peace :D

Where did I tell you what to believe in? You have a choice, I can only point you to the 1 and true living God. Again you don't understand judging what is it and what it ain't.

Then again, how can you use something you don't believe in to defend your stance?

The dead is just that DEAD. They can do nothing for you, seek the living.

Still didn't give God's name.

@Lowrider

You worship ... death? o_O

Sounds kinda like voodoo or black magic. Satan get thee behind me!

@hebrew
I don't believe in curses or bad magic, however you must believe in rape and ****** and bigotry ;D

@Maxx
Don't death and God go together? When you get to heaven or hell you die correct?

You are wrong again. Then again i don't expect you to get it.

@Lowrider

Seriously? You ... worship death? o_O

Are you fixing to be the next school massacre shooter? Please tell me you're not ...

No matter what the religion, if people worship the One true God,
and they believe in Christ, that is what matters.

@Mikael

And who exactly is the One true God and why?

@hebrews
necer mind your right ill practice beibg a good christian and hate other religions and races that way I can go with the bible.

@maxx
you heard my speeches on violence and christianity and how I think its wrong. I believe what I believe annd that's it. Im not gonna change just cos you wanna feed into stereotypes.

True believer and followers of Christ don't hate other religions or races. Some who claim to be Christians may, but they are not rue followers.

A follower of Santa Muerte would be idol worship, Christians don't worship idols.

@hebrews
yeah your right im going to be a true christian and hate other people who believe in different things because I care about velonging more than I do my own personal beliefs (yeah right.)

Also if you didn't hate other people for their own beliefs we wouldn't br having this conversation.

@hebrews notice I say you and not all christians are bad just the ones who hate others cos of their own personal beliefs.

Having a conversation with someone of different views is not hating them. But you don't follow Jesus. Telling people the truth is not hating them. Maybe some things are said you don't like, don't make it hate.

They may not be true followers just fans. Christians are not perfect, there is only one who is perfect. Not all Christians are at the same level of maturity or understanding of Jesus message.

Have you checked out any of the chocolate of the month clubs? I recently got an introductory box.

Know what you mean. I couldn't stay in the club as the monthly shipments are 40.00

@hebrews
what is your definition of truth? Just because its not your truth doesn't mean its not mine. I believe in God you dont have a right to say I cant believe in him dedpite me believing in other things as well. I can also have morals and beliefs without the bible because I dont need a book to tell me whats right or wrong I just know in my heart that even without the bible everything is connected to God. I dont need his followers to tell me what I can or cannot believe in him. Just by judging you go against Christianity and your own kind. I only write articles and respond to those who comment but I will neever purposely go on someone elses page and say what they beloeve is wrong

Jesus is the truth. Believing is not the same as following, even the demons believe (they don't follow). Never said you can't believe in Him, however a Christian is a follower of Christ and Christ alone, not Christ and other gods. Following any other god is idolatry and God says that is sin.


It is not my truth, but Jesus is the truth.

Again you don't understand the scriptures concerning judging. I have not judged you, you by your own admission say you follow another god, and according to god it is sin.


We can not call right what God has called wrong. We are to be bold for the gospel of Christ. Since you don't follow and read and believe God's word you would not understand.

Prayer is very important in the life of Christian. We communicate with God and intercede for others through prayer. Prayer is a very powerful tool against the darts of the enemy.

Here is something I ran across I found helpful, especially for new believers.

http://sharonjaynes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/The-Lords-Prayer.pdf

@hebrews
and once again I can believe in God I dont need you to tell me I cannot. God is love period, if you cant love someone different than you than you are not a true follower.

Nobody said we didn't love others different from ourselves. i didn't say you can't believe, but again believing is not following as the demons believe in God as well. Demons are not followers and don't go about doing God's work, but work for the enemy of our souls.

just believing will not get to heaven.. Jesus also tells us we can not serve 2 masters. We will love the one and hate the other. So therefore you can not serve Jesus and serve other gods too.

Again, having a difference of opinion or choosing to believe what God says does not imply someone does not love that person.


Either you are a follower of Jesus or you are not. That is the only 2 choices.

@hebrews I can be a follower and believe in other things as well ;) im pretty sure I dont have to have permission to do so ;)

Not according to Jesus and the scriptures,you can not serve 2 masters. A hous divided will not stand. To follow Jesus means, He comes first and only. One of the commandments is to have no other gods, other the one and true living God. That is the first comanndement. True followers don't want or need to believe in anything else.

nobody said anything about permission, you have a choice to beleive whatever. However, there is only one way to heaven, all others lead to eternal damnation. And wether you choose to believe that or not doesn't change those ways.

@Lowrider

What concrete evidence led you to conclude that Santa Muerte is a true god as opposed to the false gods Zeus, Hermes, Athena, Baal, Dagon, Molech, Chukwu, Gamab, Khonvoum, Izanagi, Omoikane, Hachiman, Apsu, Nammu, Mitra, Sarasvati or Shiva?

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There is none righteous, no not one.... All of our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.... For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast .... Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it , Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Anyone who claims superiority because they more closely follow what they perceive to be the commandments of God, is following in the footsteps of the pharisees. The same pharisees whom Christ, Himself castigated. He called them vipers and hypocrites. If you cherry pick your verses, you can find support for almost any viewpoint you choose. This was Christ's meaning when He said, "by your traditions, you have made the Word of God of none effect". There are many instances where multiple interpretations are possible. There are also instances where there can be only one interpretation...as in the examples cited above. It is not for us to judge who is saved and who is not..that judgment is reserved for God, alone. He is the only One qualified to make that judgment. Only He can see into hearts and separate the wheat from the chaff. One who finds himself in the position of being the arbiter of things that can only be known by God, is not only fooling himself to pump up his foolish pride, he is also blaspheming by the very act. Even then, it would not be prudent to presume to know the state of the person's soul. Saved people, Christians, sin every single day. ALL people do. If it were not so , if it was possible to "obey" ones way into heaven, Jesus would not have been called upon to make the awesome sacrifice He did. It behooves us all to take care of the state of our own soul, rather than to find lack in that of someone else. Once you are self-righteous, by definition, you are no longer sanctified by Christ. And that, my friend, is most certainly NOT Christ like...which is as close to a judgment that we can pass. "Judge not, less ye be judged" seems to go in one ear and out the other of far too many Christians.

I support you, gumshoejane2 (and of course you, gypsyblu) in your endeavor to live the life you perceive Christ requires of you.....He is, after all, the One whom we must please.