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False Christian known as ........ YOU HAVEMYPERMISSION

By: gypsyblu
Written on December 15th, 2012
By: gypsyblu
Age: 41-45 , Female
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    hebrews132

    777 here is where I saw it first, then found the video. And in the video he is showing the ad the Mormon church ran.

    http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=21bc9fbee98db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=1d2791ddb6b9c110VgnVCM100000176f620a____

    Jan 15
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      777heaven

      ROFLOF. You just continue to make a bigger fool of yourself... That is an ACTIVITY for children in the children's magazine. Ya know? Like making cutouts and putting them on a flannel board? CRAFTS?

      PULEEZE.....

      Jan 15
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      hebrews132

      To teach them their testimony.

      Jan 15
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      777heaven

      No my dear. To teach them the steps they need to take to develop a testimony.

      How long is this going to go on Hebrews? This is bullying. I'm done playing along. Stop now or I will report you to EP.

      Jan 15
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      hebrews132

      You don't develop a testimony, develop a testimony before they are saved?

      Jan 15
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      777heaven

      You've been reported.

      Jan 15
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      hebrews132

      No, it was an article in a magazine about the glove. You probably need to get the book.

      Jan 15
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      777heaven

      Hello? I just SAID it came from the LDS children's magazine called "The Friend". Did you not read my posts above yours? A magazine which has stories, recipes, crafts projects, for CHILDREN. And I HAVE the magazine.

      Last time...I have already flagged your profile. I will send EP an e-mail asking for you to be banned if you contact me again or respond to this.

      Jan 15
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      hebrews132

      You made comment to me, which you had to unblock me to do, so youstarted it back up. You said it was an activity, it is an article about it. The book comes with the glove and pictures.

      You have the magazine, but you said early you had not heard of the glove.

      Jan 15
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      gypsyblu

      hebrew what is your point? for baiting her.. what are you trying to prove out side of U being a bully.

      Jan 15
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    hebrews132

    @iname They don't play well with others is already obvious. However this is not a game.

    1 Cor 13:11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.

    Jan 15
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    anonyabusiness

    ...I want to tell you about the fukkking arsehole stalking me in another group,
    apparently his ex left him high and dry because he was a pathetic miserable soul,
    who couldn't figure out his own life,
    who couldn't clean up his life,
    and refused to improve himself,
    being a hardcore drug addict,
    and self-loathing self-pitying case always stuck in a rut as if the world owes him something,
    and because my star sign is the same as his ex wife who didn't want to put up with his self-DESTSTRUCTIVE ways thinking it makes him look cute and more lovable,
    he saw me as his ex that deserves to be punished because SHE REFUSED TO LOVE HIM BEING SUCH A SORRY PIECE OF ARSE...
    I MEAN COME ON WTF?
    I AM NOT HIS EX, NOT HIS WIFE AND DON'T KNOW HIM FROM ANYWHERE,
    BUT NOW I MUST BE HATED BECAUSE I AM SUCH AN EVIL WOMAN WHO REFUSED TO PUT UP WITH HIS BULLLLSHIT............ i mean wtf??????????????
    sounds like that guy you talking of no?

    Jan 13
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      anonyabusiness

      ... I THINK THIS DOUCHE BAG IS USING HIS PAIN AND BITTERNESS OF PAST RELATIONSHIPS AS AN EXCUSE TO HATE ON PEOPLE WHO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS BUSINESS IN THE FIRST PLACE............. i mean i don't have anything to do with his failed marriage FFS, i wasn't even born yet when they got married.

      Jan 13
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      anonyabusiness

      ...and I LIVE HALF WAY ACROSS THE WORLD FROM THIS GUY AND HIS EX........... he is just seeking any excuse whatsoever to vent his PAIN even confusing people for the wrong individuals.

      Jan 13
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      anonyabusiness

      ...IS THAT FAIR? HE SHOULD WORK OUT HIS OWN ISSUES before blaming it on other people who weren't even involved in it.............

      Jan 13
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      anonyabusiness

      ...thus the same with this guy that you wrote about, he cannot just HATE ALL WOMEN BECAUSE HE HAD SOME BAD EXPERIENCE with only a few or just one.............. then he must be irrevocably gay.....................

      Jan 13
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    gypsyblu

    the punnish guy i mentioned is now snowlover13 he piggyed back onto YOUHAVEMY PERMISSIO guy........

    sn13 does that, he goes into a story with his latest bro, and then hates on females .....

    iv seen where he stops piggy backing with them(wears out his welcome) then he is off to another member who he thinks hates on females... he uses them as a front to hate,


    not once have i seen him raise any concern for mens rights. he is here to gang up on women, to hate on them, and threaten to kill them,play victim

    Jan 13
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      anonyabusiness

      ...so he don't want men's rights? he just wants a right to hate women? lol would labeling himself a hater make him get more men's rights? when he makes himself unworthy of respect like that?

      Jan 13
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      anonyabusiness

      ...he reminds me of some guy a while back who would hate on everyone who did not think he was GOD INCARNATE......... he said he was PURE LOVE INCARNATE, but HATED EVERYONE WHO REFUSED TO BELIEVE HIM, hunting them down and gang stalking them with his group of filthy ******........

      Jan 13
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      gypsyblu

      yea i think i remeber that guy... i for get his name .....but he had some holier than thee type of name.

      Jan 13
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      anonyabusiness

      ...he thought he farted sunrays....of gold lmfao

      Jan 13
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      anonyabusiness

      ... I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW who he thinks would steal his arse to become some millionaire when all he can truly produce down there is shiiiit.

      Jan 13
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      gypsyblu

      lol

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    anonyabusiness

    OMFG you are going to kill him with the word, hahaha

    all I can say is, that I have the same type of troll in some other group,
    he is a middle aged man extremely unhappy with himself,
    bickering like a child wanting me to feel just as bad as he does,
    by continuously belittling me...

    it is just sad to see grown men acting like three year olds,
    screaming for love and attention by driving people away with their hate,
    so much for be a peace loving new ager,
    when driving a "wedge" between people because of their self-loathing bullshitttery...........
    clearly ONENESS AND LOVING THE NEIGHBOR AS THE SELF DOES NOT APPLY TO THEM........
    GO FIGURE, I SHOULD HAVE GUESSED ALL ALONG.

    Jan 13
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      gypsyblu

      yep snow has said at least twice he wants to shoot me and my friends... he too is a very unhappy soul....... hates him self and hates his life.....takes it out on women.. he joined e/p just to hate on females .........

      Jan 13
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      gypsyblu

      snow even claims to be a christain.but yet wants to kill females

      Jan 13
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      gypsyblu

      screaming for love and attention by driving people away with their hate


      gypsy....>good anology

      Jan 13
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      anonyabusiness

      ...okay so he is gay since male chauvinists are all extremely loyal to their own sex...... and what does the bible say about homos? they should be put to death and burned like witches....hahahahaha

      Jan 13
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    hebrews132

    @777

    Where did I misinterpert your words?


    Still won't answer the questions.

    I have no need to lie about who I work with and you do not know what he has shown or shared with me.

    Either the endowments and secert handshakes are so or they are not. Which is it? Tell us what goes on in the temple ifit is not a secret.

    Ask a missionary, why should I ask a missionary, can't you as a member of the Mormon church tell me what you practice? we are all missionaries.

    Tells us what is the square? Tell us about the similarities to the Freemasons.

    You deny these things are not a part of your rital?

    What is the sign of the nail?

    Or how about the patriarchal grip, or sure sign of the nail?

    Care to enlighten us as to wherein the OT the preist or anyone elsewas told to do such things?

    You harpon the seeking wisdom and the truth, well I'm asking, because that stuff is just not located anywhere in Gen to Rev that I can find. So please show where it is.

    Dec 31, 2012
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      777heaven

      https://www.lds.org/church/temples/why-we-build-temples/what-happens-in-temples?lang=eng

      Hebrews, I too had blocked you and yet AGAIN to ignored the TOS of EP. I am leaving you this link to research for yourself. But I have no problem flagging you if you continue to cause drama...

      Jan 1
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      hebrews132

      You are the one causing the drama because you simply want answer any questions. You say we have not understood or misinterpt it, so please again we ask for you to enlighten us. Most are simple yes or no answers. Either the endowments are about ritual and new names and secret handshakes and signs or they are not. That website does not tell what happens in the temple. Nothing is mentioned about your twist on the creation story, new names, signs of the Freemasons or secret handshakes.

      So why can't you tell us? Why go to a website when there is access to an actual member?


      So why don't you set the record straight and tell us what happens during the endowment ritual, what happens in the temple?

      And if the temple is not restricted, then why can't anybody go into the temple at anytime? If they can't, that sounds like a restiction to me.

      Jan 1
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    hebrews132

    @Dente just pointing out blocking really won't prevent someone from replying.

    EP doesn't appear to interact very much at all.

    Dec 30, 2012
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    holloway64

    I hate religious strife.

    Dec 28, 2012
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      anonyabusiness

      ... religious strife? when people battle in the name of GOD, it is not about GOD but about them............ narcissistic self-hating egotists, it is a mystery how they can hate and love themselves all at the same time... whether they hate themselves, then everyone must see and watch how they suffer, whether they love themselves, then everyone must see how wonderful they are, cheer and cry with them, I MEAN WTF? what happened to GOD? AREN't they going off topic when they forget about the divine purpose and go on yakking about themselves all day and their needs, and how they want people to act and behave thinking they are the queens and kings having the power to tell people how to behave or else...pffft. I am making a new years motto: stay out of immature EP BATTLES this year, it brings you nowhere, and only waste your time and brains.

      Jan 13
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      gypsyblu

      good points

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      777heaven

      Banshee...you are absolutely correct. I also would like to stop arguing over stupid and inconsequential thingS and rather stick to what matters...Jesus Christ. Thank you for the reminder...

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      gypsyblu

      yes i too get caught up in all the drama........ odd how when a story line is going well and they walk in and with thier drama....

      Jan 14
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      hebrews132

      You don't argue, as you never answer any questions. Oh so now you are calling your church practices stupid? Finally!

      Jan 15
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    hylierandom

    *blinks*
    Wow, I don't like to argue this much.
    Laters.

    Dec 28, 2012
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      anonyabusiness

      ...yeah I have learned by trial and error, it is a waste, i mean what does the zealots really want to prove? and yes we get the point that the guy is a fukkking hypocrite, just leave it at that, I have written many such stories why I think people are hypocrites, but for what? they are what they are, why waste more energy on them than necessary? are they really worth it? since they don't want to learn from their own mistakes in anyway, so why should we care at all?

      Jan 13
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    sammiesweetheart

    gypsyblu i am sorry for the way i have acted on your story. just these two neanderthals get on my last f-in nerve

    Dec 26, 2012
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      gypsyblu

      no need to be sorry ... ur welcome to post on my stories any time ((((hugs)))

      Dec 27, 2012
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      sammiesweetheart

      :)

      Dec 28, 2012
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      anonyabusiness

      SERIOUSLY when will people grow up on EP, i cannot understand why trolls don't know where to stop.......... especially those in their 40s and up, they are tired of life, and take out their frustrations on others who don't deserve it, I MEAN come on WTF? Why act immature when you want to pass yourself off as a mature wise person? fail!!!!!

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      anonyabusiness

      ...and it is funny because they say they are the ones seeing all the MAGIC, WONDERS AND PURPOSE IN LIFE TOO, but clearly they don't when they are soooo extremely unhappy with themselves that they just have to take it out on others..... FRAUD ALERT. religious and spiritual zealots, should really know where to stop when they don't act according to what they preach any more, seriously, don't they realize that they are making themselves look stupid pulling the best stunts of absolute hypocrisy?

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    hebrews132

    Iname quote"uh yea it does douche bag if i block u and they block u u CANT comment on their story"

    Nope it don't as we can start a new story and comment on it.

    Dec 26, 2012
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      anonyabusiness

      ...people who are desperate to be heard by the one that blocked them continue to stalk them on other people's posts.... I mean do you really think that person wants to hear anything you have to say when the block says "we don't give a rat's arse about what you have to say", I mean do you really want to be loved by that person soooo bad, do you really want to be seen by that person sooo bad that you would make a complete and utter arse out of yourself doing so? flaunting yourself and attention whoooring before poeple who think you are good for nothing in anyway? seriously, trolls and their intelligence mixed with their low self-esteem and need for acknowledgement really amazes me.... especially when they demand to be loved by others while they Hate them.

      Jan 13
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      hebrews132

      People who don't want to hear the truth from God usually run from it, so they think blocking will stop the truth. Maybe that is what you and others are seeking love from strangers they have never met, nor probably ever will. If so you are looking for love in the wrong place. I am not seeking love from anyone here, I have all I need in my personal relationships. Personal relationships I have had longer than you have been living.

      Jan 14
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      gypsyblu

      one guy here lav25 made another profile to hate on females, after he was blocked from everyone.........

      he called me pathetic duh !!??? he is the one who is soooooooooooo PATHETIC.... .


      he made a second profile just to hate me with ...now that is pathetic...

      Jan 14
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    sammiesweetheart

    instead of argueing with these two douches bag maxine and his bf why not block them

    Dec 26, 2012
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      hebrews132

      i am not male. Blocking doesn't stop anyone from replying.

      Dec 26, 2012
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      sammiesweetheart

      uh yea it does douche bag if i block u and they block u u CANT comment on their story

      Dec 26, 2012
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      DenteAvvelenato

      Hebum blocking does mean interaction between you and the person who blocked you is not allowed if you continue to harass people who have blocked you ep admin can and will ban you.

      Dec 28, 2012
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    maxximiliann

    @ridergirl

    In what ways did Christ express tolerance for all the different religions of his day?

    Dec 25, 2012
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      lowridergirl

      @maxipads
      Im not going to listen to you anymore, you are nothing but an athiest.

      Dec 25, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      To the contrary, it is I who want to listen to you. Care to answer my simple question darling? :)

      Dec 26, 2012
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    @ridergirl

    Ok so you practice a religion fabricated by ancient people. What's your point?

    Dec 25, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      This isn't how you plan on "holding your own", is it? I mean the silent treatment is soooo passé, lol :)

      Dec 26, 2012
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    maxximiliann

    RE: Jehovah's Witnesses

    In spite of their imperfections they faithfully practice the religion Jesus practiced. He only worshiped Jehovah God, the only true God, and instructed all his disciples to do the same for it is the only true religion established by God:

    “In reply Jesus said to [Satan]: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”” - Luke 4:8

    “Jehovah your God you should fear, and him you should serve.” - Deuteronomy 6:13

    Jesus taught, “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’” - Matthew 22:37

    “[Y]ou must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your vital force.” - Deuteronomy 6:5


    http://bit.ly/pwUMD4

    Dec 25, 2012
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      gypsyblu

      she wants ur thoughts not what you copied pasted .same goes for me ..

      Dec 25, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      Asked and answered. If you're looking for a different answer ask a different question :)

      Dec 25, 2012
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      lowridergirl

      @maxipads
      OK here is a different question: Can you state your beliefs without copying and pasting?

      Dec 25, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      I don't worship Jehovah God on my terms but on His. As such, I do my utmost to obey Him in everything as He has instructed in the Bible. This is why I always use Scripture to answers queries on my beliefs.

      Dec 25, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      With all due respect and kindness I just have to ask, is English your second language?

      Dec 25, 2012
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      gypsyblu

      IM MULTY CULTURE READ MY PROFILE

      Dec 25, 2012
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      gypsyblu

      WANT YOUR OWN AUTHENTIC/ ORIGINAL WORD NOT WHAT SOMEONE OUT SIDE UR SELF WROTE

      Dec 25, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      That explains it! Thanks for clearing that up for me :)

      Dec 26, 2012
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    gypsyblu

    You act as if these very same "pious" have changed their ways. Do we live in a good and decent world? Here's a better question, if we in fact live in a good and decent world why did Jesus say his God was going to annihilate this system of things just as occurred during Noah's day?



    gypsy...> maxxann stick to the point jane is making.. duh!!!! once again ur putting a spin on the conversation, you will say anything to prove a point, be it right or worng,

    you go off on wordy tangents that lose the point the direction of conversation.

    Dec 25, 2012
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    gypsyblu

    If you don't read my replies why should I read anything you post?

    gypsy....> mazzann you assume i dont ......... its jsut a nother spin of yours, trying to get out of answering the question ...dont you know i can see ur game dude??/

    Dec 25, 2012
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      lowridergirl

      @gypsy
      He keeps going around with the same game.

      Dec 25, 2012
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      gypsyblu

      YES HE /SHE DOESN'T GET IT WE SEE THROUGH HIS SMOKE AND MIRRORS....PAY NO ATTENTION TOTHE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN DORTHY !!!!

      Dec 25, 2012
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    gypsyblu

    mazzann i would like to get your spin on atheism if you dont mind.

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      maxximiliann

      Here’s why the fundamentally nihilistic materialist, naturalistic, agnostic, atheistic view of the world is wholly illogical, irrational and unenlightened:

      (1) Everything that exists has an objective explanation of its existence, either in the necessity of its own nature or in an external cause.
      (A) If atheism is true, the universe has no objective explanation of its existence.
      (B) If the universe has an objective explanation of its existence then atheism is false.

      (2) The universe exists.
      (3) The space-time universe does not exist out of the necessity of it’s own nature for it did not exist until 13.70 billion years ago.
      (4) Therefore, the space-time universe exists because of an external cause.

      (5) The external cause of the universe must necessarily be a transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent and personal being.
      (6) A transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent and personal being is the definition of God.
      (7) Therefore, the objective explanation of the universe's existence is God.

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      maxximiliann

      (8) Therefore, atheism is false.

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      lowridergirl

      @maxipads
      You have copy and pasted this all around EP, what is YOUR response without copying and pasting?

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      maxximiliann

      Can I help it if I keep getting asked the same question over and over and over again? :)

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      DenteAvvelenato

      Maxi -

      As to claim number one, your absolutely obtuse or being completely blind there exist counter arguments and positions which believe there are no objective moral truths, because ethical knowledge is usually subjective or relative which means they cannot be consider objective. Such as non-cognitivism and emotivism.

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      DenteAvvelenato

      " (A) If atheism is true, the universe has no objective explanation of its existence. "

      Again lies .... See Buddhism and especially Jainists. Then read up on Confucian & Taoist Religion.

      Then laugh at your claim like I did !

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      DenteAvvelenato

      "(B) If the universe has an objective explanation of its existence then atheism is false."

      Since you were wrong about number 1 your obviously wrong at claim B.

      Let me point out for you

      The Sanskrit word nirisvaravada translates at atheism and means disbelief in a creator god. It does not require disbelief in anything else that might be a "god," but for many anything less than a creator isn't a genuine god in the first place. Both the Samkhya and the Mimamsa schools of Hindu philosophy reject the existence of a creator god, making them explicitly atheistic from a Hindu perspective. 

      This doesn't make them naturalistic, but it does make them as atheistic as any belief system, philosophy, or religion from the perspective of religious theists in the West.

      For Jains, every soul or spiritual being is worthy of the exact same praise. Because of this, Jains do not worship any "higher" spiritual beings like gods nor do they worship or pay homage to any idols. Jains believe that the universe has always existed and will always exist, so there is no need for any sort of creator god. None of this means that no spiritual beings exist which might be called "gods," however, and thus a Jain might believe in beings which might be considered gods and therefore technically be a theist. From a Western religious perspective, though, they'd all be atheists.


      On a functional level, at least, both Confucianism and Taoism can be considered atheistic. Neither is founded on faith in a creator god like Christianity and Islam are. Neither promote the existence of such a god, either. 

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      (3) The space-time universe does not exist out of the necessity of it’s own nature for it did not exist until 13.70 billion years ago.

      How cute the whole "God created the universe but how did God become existent" and your answer is analogous to " A married man is not a bachelor, therefore he was never a bachelor."

      I'm sure you've heard of science please see the following for why you are not correct

      http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/196118_407068162668730_1310319772_n.jpg

      http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/181169_405254166183463_1389957547_n.jpg

      http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/156250_366629886712558_722933410_n.jpg


      http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/156250_366629886712558_722933410_n.jpg

      http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/28490_115487748493441_3543899_n.jpg

      Which is how we get
      http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/28490_115487748493441_3543899_n.jpg

      Objectively of course instead of subjectively like your God theory.

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      The debate is actually if time actually exists In the 17th century, English scientist Isaac Newton was pretty sure time existed as a universal constant. But in 1908, Hermann Minkowski, expanding on one of Einstein’s ideas on the relationship between space and time, suggested a space-time continuum. This theory held that space and time were inextricably mixed, with all events occurring along the same timeline. Einstein presented his theory of general relativity not long after this and proposed that time is but an illusion.Around the same time (if you believe in time, that is), the field of quantum mechanics grew out of an effort to explain the relationship between matter and energy. This presented a little problem for scientists trying to create a single, unified theory to account for the universe and its component parts. Quantum mechanics requires the existence of time to work. General relativity does not.

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      DenteAvvelenato

      " (5) The external cause of the universe must necessarily be a transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent and personal being."

      Please provide objective evidence of this claim failure to do so makes it a fictional belief not a truth.

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      DenteAvvelenato

      (6) A transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent and personal being is the definition of God.


      This is false please don't be so blind as to the multiple religions which define "god" quite differently. Your first world western view isn't objective when you define God or Gods only in a Judeao-christian manner ...infact it's rather obtuse and bigoted.

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      " 7) Therefore, the objective explanation of the universe's existence is God"

      Sorry friend your so far off course by now your everything but objective.

      Lastly your number 8 is a complete fail.

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      @ maxi Now please explain this

      1) In hundreds of passages, the Bible declares or takes the position explicitly or implicitly that it is nothing less than the very Word of God. Some thirty-eight hundred times the Bible declares, “God said,” or “Thus says the Lord” (e.g. Ex. 14:1; 20:1; Lev. 4:1; Num. 4:1; Deut. 4:2; 32:48; Isa. 1:10, 24; Jer. 1:11; Ezek. 1:3; etc.).

      A) Paul also recognized that the things he was writing were the Lord’s commandments (1 Cor. 14:37), and they were acknowledged as such by the believers (1 Thess. 2:13).

      B) Peter proclaimed the certainty of the Scriptures and the necessity of heeding the unalterable and certain Word of God (2 Pet. 1:16-21).

      C) John too recognized that his teaching was from God; to reject his teaching was to reject God (1 John 4:6).17

      D)For other passages which either declare or assume the Bible as God’s Word see Deuteronomy 6:6-9, 17-18; Joshua 1:8-9; 8:32-35; 2 Samuel 22:31; Ps. 1:2; 12:6; 19:7-11; 93:5; 119:9, 11, 18, 89-93, 130; Prov. 30:5-6;Matthew 5:17-19; 22:29; Mark 13:31; Luke 16:17; John 2:22; 5:24; 10:35; Acts 17:11; Romans 10:17; Colossians 3:16; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 2:15; 3:15-17; 1 Peter 1:23-25; 2 Peter 3:15-16; Revelation 1:2; 22:18.

      2) The Bible’s revelation of God. The Bible’s revelation of God is unique among all the religious writings of either antiquity or of more modern times. While the Bible is a very ethical book, it never divorces its code of morality from a personal relationship with the God of the Bible, teaching that God’s laws are not meant to hinder joy. Morality is to be a product of knowing and loving the God of the Bible (Deut. 4:4-6; Matt. 22:36-40; Mark 12:28-31).

      3) Therefore true Christian belief Dictates the bible is the word of god and
      a)that God's words are unalterable and certain.
      b) That true Christians must have belief in the God of the bible.
      c) It is immoral for true Christians to believe anything different.

      4) J. The Bible: Actually the Bible serves as the most inclusive of all the avenues of special revelation, for it encompasses the record of many aspects of the other avenues. Though God undoubtedly gave other visions, dreams, and prophetic messages that were not recorded in the Bible, we know no details of them. Too, all that we know about the life of Christ appears in the Bible, though, of course, not all that He did or said was recorded in the Scriptures (John 21:25). But the Bible is not simply the record of these other revelations from God; it also contains additional truth not revealed, for example, through the prophets or even during the earthly life of Christ. So the Bible, then, is both the record of aspects of special revelation and revelation itself.

      6)The revelation in the Bible is not only inclusive yet partial, it is also accurate (John 17:17), progressive (Heb. 1:1), and purposeful (2 Tim. 3:15-17).

      7) True Christians must believe in creationism ie. believe in a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation account,
      A) and conclude that the universe was created 6,000 years ago.
      ii) This age is determined by counting the generations of biblical figures recorded throughout the Bible, starting with Adam in the Garden of Eden.
      iii) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters” (Gen. 1:1- 2)

      B) and true Christians believe that any evidence not supporting their theory is incorrectly applied, or that the data is misinterpreted.

      C) Their view is that the Bible is the only source that should be examined to prove creation, and the events recorded in it should be taken as they interpret them. ( Notice Romans chapter 1: “For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead” vs. 20).


      D) Yet, This is exactly what God said He did NOT create! He “is not the author of confusion” (I Cor. 14:33)—rather, everything God does is “done decently and in order” (vs. 40).

      F) why your intelligent design/ certain creationism (which is required belief of true Christians) is utterly proven wrong :

      a)Let’s look at one scientific proof supporting all we have covered.
      i) The speed of light is one of the more constant variables in the universe, with a speed of approximately 186,000 miles per second. This means that if you were 186,000 miles away from a person who turned on a bright light, it would take one second before that light reached you.

      No doubt, you have probably experienced this “delay” with sound.) Since light travels faster than sound, if a person on an opposite side of a football field clashed cymbals, you would see the action before the sound reached your ears.The only difference is that light travels so fast that enormous distances are required for a “delay” to be realized.

      ii ) The only place with enough space to demonstrate this effect is outer space. Because of the vast size of the cosmos, distances are often measured in light-years, the distance light can travel in one year.

      B)What does this have to do with the age of our universe?

      i) If Earth and the universe were only 6,000 years old, we would only be able to see stars with a maximum distance of 6,000 light-years, otherwise the light would not have had time to reach us.

      C) Let’s put this in context. The Milky Way galaxy is approximately 100,000 light-years across, with our solar system about 28,000 light-years from the center. This puts us about 22,000 light-years from our galaxy’s outer edge.

      i) If the universe were only 6,000 years old, we would see only a fraction of the 200 billion stars in just OUR galaxy since light from others would not have had enough time to reach us!

      D)Of course, you have seen countless pictures of stars near Earth.

      i) There are amazing images of some of the estimated 125 billion galaxies.

      ii) Of these, 3,000 are visible and can be anywhere from 80,000 to billions of light-years away.

      iii) Light from the most distant galaxies had to have traveled for billions of years before it reached Earth.

      E) Of course, for light to travel billions of years there had to have been a universe for billions of years!


      8) this clearly shows that God is wrong in his accounts of time from Adam to Moses to Jesus and therefore infallible or The bible is wrong and not the word of God which to true Christians is impossible.

      Literally God refutes himself as does the necessary required intelligent design/ creationism.

      How is this possible ? Once again we turn science, specifically Occam's razor ...

      You've probably heard it before: The simplest explanation is usually the right one.

      Doctors ­use it to determine the illness behind a set of symptoms.This line of reasoning is called Occam's razor.

      It's used in a wide variety of ways throughout the world as a means to slice through a problem or situation and eliminate unnecessary elements. But what we call the razor is a little different than what its author originally wrote.

      There are two parts that are considered the basis of Occam's razor, and they were originally written in Latin:

      1)The Principle of Plurality - Plurality should not be posited without necessity

      2)The Principle of Parsimony - It is pointless to do with more what is done with less

      Taken together, they represent the basis of humanity's investigation into the universe, and the way we see our environment is largely based upon Occam's razor. There's no telling what kind of world we would live in today without Occam's razor. Would we have the Internet? Would we have inoculations?

      Consider simple systems in nature, like viruses and plants, and their ability to carry out complex tasks such as infection andphotosynthesis. We value these simple models. And when it comes to man-made systems, we tend to base structures upon what we already know works -

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      the simplest explanation to us -- like computer memory modeled on our own brain processes. All of which points to the principles of plurality and parsimony.

      However, one of the key things that Occam's razor reveals is the subjectivity with which we view the universe. Sure the sky is blue, we know that by looking at it, but what shade of blue is it exactly? Anyone who has ever engaged in a debate over whether a dark-colored sock is black or navy can appreciate the bias of our worldview and how it affects our decisions.

      Simply enough this leads to why and how you went wrong ...

      And finally shows Your notion of God as Creator doesn't fit into occams razor or objectivity at all.

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      gypsyblu

      ^^^^^HIGH FIVE DANTE^^^^^^

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    gypsyblu

    It was so-called “Christian” Nazis who committed some of the most unspeakable atrocities in human history.


    gypsy.. i have never heard of nazis being called christians, as matter of fact you are the first one i ever heard of any one calling them "CHRISTIAN"

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      maxximiliann

      The overwhelming majority of Nazis in WWII Germany proclaimed some flavor of so-called Christianity. Hitler himself was baptized Catholic, never converted to another religion and was never excommunicated from the Catholic Church. He was Catholic till the day he died.

      The Allies too professed some version of Christianity. So if their claims were true, they were essentially slaughtering their Axis brothers on the other side of the Atlantic.

      Yeah, I can imagine Jesus smiling from on high as he contemplated his fans butchering one another ...

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    gypsyblu

    maxxann... Christians” are the cause of much of the needless pain and suffering in this world while.

    gypsy.... really ? where are your sources>?

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      maxximiliann

      It was so-called “Christian” Nazis who committed some of the most unspeakable atrocities in human history.

      So-called “Christian” Americans massacred hundreds of thousands of innocent, non-combatant children, women and men in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

      So-called “Christian” Rwandans raged with blood-lust and slaughtered one another in one of the bloodiest, most gruesome civil-wars in modern history.

      So-Called "Christians" on both sides - Axis and Allied - slaughtered each other during World War I and World War II with their respective bishops and priests blessing them on both sides of the blood bath.

      Even today, look at what so-called 'Christians' in Bulgaria are doing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy9lQjwwbEM

      Need I continue?

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      gumshoejane2

      Max,
      Lets leave the past in the past and focus on learning from our mistakes.
      Need I remind you that every religion has members who have committed atrocities ... 9/11 ring a bell? How about the ongoing conflict between Palestine and Israel?

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      Max,
      Countless Priests and Nuns hid and saved 1000 of Jews. Oskar Schindler operated a " concentration camp" and saved countless numbers of Jews. There were dozens of ordinary Christians who like Miep ( who harboured Anne Frank and family) harboured and hid Jews, saving lives while risking their own.

      I prefer to focus on the good Max, most people are good and decent.

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      maxximiliann

      You act as if these very same "pious" have changed their ways. Do we live in a good and decent world? Here's a better question, if we in fact live in a good and decent world why did Jesus say his God was going to annihilate this system of things just as occurred during Noah's day?

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      lowridergirl

      @gypsy and gumshoejane
      exactly! Those are what we describe as radicals, radicals are dangerous because its no longer about religion, its their own hate covered up BY religion not necessairly the religion itself.

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      maxximiliann

      lol, silly girl. Go back and review your history. The Catholic Church alone has a long and bloody history that was the direct result of their "Christian" policies. For instance, The Catholic Church's open support of Hitler - and the support of other so-called "Christian" religions like the LDS - proved instrumental to his rise to power and the massacre of millions of innocents.

      The world would be better off without all these so-called "Christian" religions.

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      gumshoejane2

      Lowridergirl,
      Exactly.

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      gumshoejane2

      Max,
      What good does this accomplish? I prefer to see people as individuals, not as groups. The vast majority of people of all religions and of every belief are good and decent. There are far more good than bad in the world. please see my story on the Sandyhook massacre for a look at how wonderful and loving some people are, I do believe that most of us are capable of heroism under the right circumstances.

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      777heaven

      Beautiful Reply Jane

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      777heaven

      So max, What is your opinion of Jehovah's Witnesses?

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      gypsyblu

      she is not a silly girl.. if she was, she would not be able to hold her own, as she has demonstrated

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      lowridergirl

      @maxipads
      silly boy! Didn't you just get done persecuting me for believing in Santa Muerte AND God? Its curious you say your a Christian but persecute not only me but other followers of Jesus as well on here. I haven't been able to detect it but you sir are an athiest, its the only way to describe the way you change your mind every minute. Plus of every religion out there, there are radical beliefs that doesn't make religion in itself is bad.

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      @Jane

      If we in fact live in a good and decent world why did Jesus say his God was going to annihilate this system of things just as during Noah's day?

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      @ridergirl

      I have no issue with you worshiping Santa Muerte and Darkseid or Crom or whoever it is you call your "God". Like I've said, if so many others can cook up their own religions there's no reason why you can't do the same :)

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      @Maxipads
      You say that now but your tone says otherwise. I don't believe you changed your mind just like that. And its not "made up" lol billions of years of religions would say otherwise (example: Aztecs, Mayans, Incas, Native Americans, etc etc and now Mexicans were as the Goddess of Death has been around long before the media dubbed her Santa Muerte aka The Day of the Dead) have been believing in the God of Death or Goddess of Death for a LONG LONG LONG time. Burial rites and rituals have been going LONG before Christianity, Christianity came along and said "I am the only true God, you MUST bow before me because I am the ALMIGHTY." BUT BUT and I say this with all my heart this is where Christians are wrong they make God (JESUS CHRIST) look like the ultimate BIGOT in WHICH HE IS NOT! To die means to go to God, you get judged and then you go somewhere in which only God knows, because only HE can judge, it is perfectly sensible to think death and God go together. Until then everything is a path in which YOU choose to go down, I can have morals and be a good person but not believe in only ONE God. For instance I know that bullying is wrong, I know to self defend myself only if need be, I know to be kind to animals because they were here first, I know to feed the hungry as I once was hungry and homeless, I know to right my wrong and I don't need any bible to tell me to love thy neighbor as all people are my sisters and brothers. Jesus Christ gave me this free will with love and sacrifice and honor, he is NOT the bigot you speak ill of.

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      maxximiliann

      So when Jesus said that Satan was the Father of the Scribes and Pharisees - whom practiced different religions than him - was he expressing tolerance for their beliefs? (John 8:42-47)

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    @lowrider

    Finally! A worthy response.

    First, when have I ever claim "everything must have a cause"? Could this be yet another strawman?

    Second, the premise that the universe began to exist is not a religious statement nor a theological one. You can find this statement in any contemporary textbook on astrophysics or cosmology. And it is supported by the vast majority of cosmologists today.

    The Borde-Vilenkin-Guth Theorem, for instance, clearly states that any universe, which has, on average, a rate of expansion greater one must have a ** finite beginning **. I'm not making this up. Read the paper in full or watch Vilenkin himself refute beginningless universe models like Eternal Inflation, Cyclic Evolution and Static Seed/Emergent Universe on youtube while proving that our universe had to have a finite beginning.

    As such, Vilenkin had this to say regarding the beginning of the universe, "It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. With the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. *** There is no escape, they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning ***. (Many Worlds in One [New York: Hill and Wang, 2006], p.176)

    Moreover, Quentin Smith, a philosopher of science at the University of Western Michigan reinforces this further when he states, "It belongs analytically to the concept of the cosmological singularity that it is not the effect of prior physical events. The definition of a singularity entails that it is impossible to extend the spacetime manifold beyond the singularity. This effectively rules out the idea that the singularity is the effect of some prior natural process." ("Theism, Atheism, and Big Bang Cosmology")


    As such, your fervent belief that the universe is infinitely old, beginningless, or eternal has no basis in any respected mainstream scientific theories of the universe. It's just more atheistic folderol and wishful thinking.

    This creates the necessity for there to exist a first uncaused-cause for something cannot come from nothing as I've already shared. I've also explained that this first uncaused efficient cause must also, by necessity, be transcendent, beginningless, timeless, spaceless, immaterial, unchanging, omnipotent and personal. As it turns out, such is the very definition of God.

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    lowridergirl

    @Maxipads
    You see? Every arguement has a counter arguement and I just copy and pasted that for no reason! :D

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    @Maxipads
    OK so you copy and paste nearly everything off the internet, YOU said:

    "How very pantheistic of you. Here's why, though, your definition defies logic and reason:

    (1) Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
    (2) The space-time universe began to exist 13.70 billion years ago.
    (3) Therefore, the space-time universe has a cause.

    (4) The cause of the universe is a transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent and personal being.
    (5) A transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent and personal being is the definition of God.
    (6) Therefore, God caused the universe to exist 13.70 billion years ago."

    For every arguement you have there is something that also counter acts this, now these don't fit my views at all as I believe in God but I thought I would get on the copy and paste wagon:

    http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/universe.html

    The Universe Could Not Have Been Created by God
    Logic Versus Supposition

    1.Everything Must Have a Cause (Except One Thing)
    2.The Complexity of God and the Simplicity of the Natural Laws
    3.The Existence of God is Not Enough to Explain the Universe
    4.God Doesn't Need a Cause Because It Has Existed Forever
    5.The Nature of God's Thoughts1.Logic Must Predate the First Cause
    2.Saying God is 'Outside' Logic

    6.Conclusions

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    1. Everything Must Have a Cause (Except One Thing)

    People who believe in god (theists) subscribe to the theistic idea that the Universe was the work of a creator-god. They say that 'god did it', and although many books have been written about the details, there are fundamental problems with the whole idea that a god created the Universe.

    They say that all things must have a cause, and therefore, god exists as the 'first cause' of everything else. These people ask questions like "Who do you think created you?" and "Do you think the Universe came out of nothing... who do you think created it?". These types of questions both rely on the "everything must have a cause, therefore God exists" argument. But this argument doesn't work. Examine these points:
    1.
    If god-believers say that 'everything must have a cause' and state that this means that god exists, then, they have missed a part of their declaration out. Their true belief is that "everything must have a cause, apart from God". The term for God as the cause of everything is the 'first cause', so, this is the same as saying "everything must have a cause, apart from the first cause".

    2.
    God isn't a simple thing; it has thoughts, motivations (to create, to love, etc), it has powers, imagination and its thoughts are themselves ordered logically and coherently so that it can plan things and think about things in a sensible way. In short, God is quite a complicated being.


    These two facts combined to produce the more accurate first-cause argument:
    3.Theists believe that everything must have a cause, apart from the complicated self-created first-cause that has a coherent internal logic.


    “All causal explanations must have an arbitrary beginning”

    "History of Western Philosophy" by Bertrand Russell (1946)2

    “The argument that there must exist a first cause of everything is open to serious doubt as long as we adhere to any simple notion of cause, irrespective of whether the universe is infinitely old, or had a definite beginning in time.”

    "God And The New Physics" by Paul Davies (1984)3

    This means that the "everything must have a cause" part of the argument must be wrong. It is not true that everything must have a cause. In a causal world, there must always be something that has no cause. There is a different word for the belief that a complicated self-created first-cause that has a coherent internal logic requires no first cause: atheism. Because if such a complicated thing can exist without a cause, then that first-cause could well be an atheistic Universe, complete with a few internal physical laws. If you argue that everything has a cause except for god, then, you might as well argue that everything has a cause except the universe, and admit that there is no need to theorize that God exists. So if you accept the first-cause argument then it does not prove that God exists, but instead it proves that the Universe could be without a creator at all.

    2. The Complexity of God and the Simplicity of the Natural Laws

    Some philosophers have even realized that God is more complicated than an uncaused Big Bang. When it comes to comparing arguments where there is no hope of actually getting any physical evidence, there is a long-standing heuristic to help distinguish between theories, called Occam's Razor: it turns out that when all evidence is accounted for, the simpler of any two theories is more likely to be the correct one. The theory with fewest assumptions is more likely to be true. God requires many properties and complexities such as consciousness, thought, personality, creative drive, love, an internal logic ordering its thoughts so that it can think coherently and rationally, etc: All of these properties must have been derived from somewhere. It turns out that God is a vastly more complicated thing that the Big Bang and the fundamental laws of the Universe.


    “The scientist, however, may wish to challenge the assumption that an infinite mind (God) is simpler than the universe. In our experience, mind only exists in physical systems that are above a certain threshold of complexity [...] While it is possible to imagine a disembodied mind, there must be some means of expression of the pattern, and the pattern itself is complex. So it could be argued that an infinite mind is infinitely complex and hence far less likely than a universe. [...]

    According to our best scientific understanding of the primeval universe it does indeed seem as though the universe began in the simplest state of all - thermodynamic equilibrium - and that the currently-observed complex structures and elaborate activity only appeared subsequently. It might then be argued that the primeval universe is, in fact, the simplest thing that we can imagine.”

    "God And The New Physics" by Paul Davies (1984)4

    There are fewer unanswered questions if we discard the complexities of a creator-god, and admit that atheism is more likely. If "everything must have a cause except for the first cause" then that first cause is much more likely to be an atheistic universe with its few basic laws, than a more-complicated creator-god.

    3. The Existence of God is Not Enough to Explain the Universe

    It is not enough to say that "God exists" as the explanation as to why the Universe exists. If a God created the Universe, then, why did it do so? God must have had thoughts - a creative impulse - to create the space-time continuum. Therefore it is the properties and thoughts of God that explain the Universe, not the mere fact that God exists. God could easily exist for all of its eternity, existing in perfection in a perfect world, without creating the Universe. So saying that God explains the existence of the Universe is not the whole story.


    “If God has a plan for the universe, which is implemented as part of his will, why does he not simply create a deterministic universe in which the goal of the plan is inevitable? Or better still create it with the plan achieved?”

    "God And The New Physics" by Paul Davies (1984)5

    Unfortunately there have been no comprehensive or compelling arguments as to why God created the Universe. This is a problem that effects not only monotheistic religions like Judaism, Christianity and Islam, but also other religions such as Buddhism: Sages from all these religions have tried to explained why existence is the way it is, complete with suffering and death, but none have given a straight answer as to why any of it needed to exist at all.

    4. God Doesn't Need a Cause Because It Has Existed Forever

    Some theists argue that God is eternal and was therefore never created. But I find this is an argument that can be used in conjunction with Big Bang theory to prove, again, that god is not likely to exist as a first cause. According to some Big Bang theories there has been an infinite number of cycles of Big Bang / Big Crunch (where the Universe ends in a big black hole after contracting, before exploding again) and that the Universe has existed forever. If it is possible for something to exist forever and not need a cause then it is likely to be the Universe, not God, and once again we can theorize that this is likely to be true because there would be no reason for god if it was true that something could exist with no cause.

    5. The Nature of God's Thoughts

    5.1. Logic Must Predate the First Cause

    In order to create, to think, God's thoughts must be more than random. To create the universe and time, God must be able to think logically. If it can't think logically, then, the laws of the universe were simply random, and the Universe might as well been self-created in an atheistic manner. In other words, for God to exist, God's thoughts must have always been ordered in a logical manner otherwise God could never have created order from chaos.


    Kepler, one of the great minds in the history of science, came to similar conclusions about geometry, but didn't go as far as to say that it preceded God:

    “Geometry existed before the Creation. It is co-eternal with the mind of God... Geometry provided God with a model for the Creation... Geometry is God Himself.”

    Johannes Kepler
    In "Cosmos" by Carl Sagan (1995)

    Kepler was assumedly counting mathematics and the general rules of the universe as 'geometry'.

    This means that logic is a precursor to God. Logic, with its simple relations and rules that lets thought itself be ordered, must have existed independently of God's creative power. God could not have created the logic because requires logical thoughts to do any meaningful creating.

    This results in two conclusions:
    1.
    In theology-speak, the first cause is the description given to the creator of the universe, time, the laws of physics, etc. But it seems that in order for the first cause to be a creator-god, then that god cannot have created logic, and cannot therefore be the first cause after all. In other words, the fact that God needs to think logically in order to create means that God itself cannot be the creator of everything, only of parts of reality. In other words, there cannot be any monotheistic creator god.

    2.
    If God chose to create anything then it must have had reasons to do so. God's "will" is not random, meaningless, chaotic or thoughtless. This means that these "reasons" are dependent on pure logic and must have driven god to do its very first act of creation. These motivations, this initial logic, will have been dictating God's thoughts from the moment of God's inception. If there was no logic and no motivation, God did not create anything on purpose. In that case, you might as well admit that the Universe created itself randomly, and that no creator God was required.


    If god created anything according to a thought-out logical plan, or, if God had a desire to create anything that wasn't pure random chaos, then, god's thoughts must have been framed around logic. This logic allowed god to think and create, and, gave motivation to God. Logic must have been the first cause; but if logic is a requirement for God and existed before God could create, then God cannot be the First Cause, and therefore, creator-god theism is false, and atheism is true.

    5.2. Saying God is 'Outside' Logic

    Some theists will make assertions that god is "outside of outside", "beyond logic", "transcends logic", "not subject to logical limitations" or that "human logic is limited" and other similar argument-stoppers. Although this at first appears to throw all intellectualizing out the window, kick all theology out the front door and firmly garrison the houses of religion from debate, it actually opens up the theist to some further criticisms.

    If "Human logic" is insufficient for metaphysics then debating for the existence of God is pointless. Because it is by Human logic, thought and mentality that we arrive at the concept of God in the first place.


    If God behaves according to logic that we don't understand (i.e.: Human logic is limited) then God is still behaving according to logic, even if it is logic we don't understand.


    To say that god doesn't obey logical rules, to say that God could create a round square, for example, is to say that the abilities of god are abilities that cannot logically exist, making God into fantasy.


    "Beyond logic" is a synonym for "irrational", and admissions that beliefs are "beyond logic" is an admission that such beliefs are irrational and logically indefensible.


    If God is beyond logic, is it not true that atheists are at least somewhat more rational and logical in their beliefs? It seems to be!

    6. Conclusions

    If God can make plans, think logically or exist, then logic is an arch-power that encompasses God and gives reason for god's existence which appears to refute the idea that God could be the creator of logic. The God as first-cause argument is partially undermined. If there is no logical reason why God exists then it is more likely that there no logical reason why the Universe exists, and that instead of assuming that the organisational force is a 'god', it's simpler and more rational to assume that it is the universe itself. It appears that whether God exists for logical reasons or not a fundamental contradiction occurs. The only answer is that creator-gods cannot possibly exist. Atheism is more logical. This is also true if God is placed "beyond logic". And if it is said that Human logic is incapable of realizing such metaphysical truths, then this also undermines any argument that can be made by one human to another, for the existence of god.

    Theistic arguments that God is 'beyond logic' or at least, beyond human understanding, place God firmly into the territory of irrational fantasy. To retreat into the corner where logic itself is denied, god-believers have admitted that there is no logical basis for their belief. At this point, it is better to try to understand the idea of God in terms of human psychology.

    Dec 24, 2012
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      gumshoejane2

      Fascinating write up lowridergirl, lots to digest.

      Dec 25, 2012
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      lowridergirl

      @gumshoejane
      Not my views though it is interesting and does create valid points on both sides of an arguement. I just felt left out cos I am not copying and pasting everything as our lovely maxipads here o.O

      Dec 26, 2012
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    sammiesweetheart

    blah blah blah maxine and his bf are just upset cause their getting owned by women

    Dec 23, 2012
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    maxximiliann

    @777

    Why did the LDS church excommunicate Helmuth for going against Hitler in the first place?

    Dec 23, 2012
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      777heaven

      Now we are getting somewhere Max. Because the local LDS leader WAS a true nazi. HE was the one who had Hubener excommunicated. And It was HE who was a traitor to Christ and to the LDS church...

      Dec 23, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      Are you saying being a soldier in Hitler's army was against official LDS church policy?

      Dec 23, 2012
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      777heaven

      No I am not nor did I ever imply that Max. I am saying that the local leader should never have tried to excommunicate Hubener in the first place.

      Dec 23, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      So you're saying being a soldier in Hitler's army was approved by official LDS church policy?

      Dec 23, 2012
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      gumshoejane2

      Maxx,
      Why are you stirring the ****????
      What the hell is wrong with you?

      Dec 23, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      What can I say. "Saintly" Nazi supporters responsible for the deaths of millions of innocents and their affiliates just rub me the wrong way :)

      Dec 23, 2012
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      777heaven

      I was hoping we could be friends Max... but I don't call liars my friends

      Dec 23, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      Which part is the lie? That LDS Nazi soldiers were saints or that official LDS church policy obligated Nazi Mormons to kill their Allied "brothers" during the war?

      Dec 23, 2012
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      777heaven

      And you call yourself a Christian? You are no follower of Christ...

      Dec 23, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      Did not Christ denounce blatant hypocrisy? Haven't you ever read Matthew 23?

      Dec 24, 2012
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      777heaven

      you ARE the very DEFINITION of blatant hypocrisy. Quit using scripture and Jesus Christ as a crutch Max.

      Dec 24, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      I am very much a follower of Christ Jesus, not Joseph Smith or Joseph Smith's caricature of Jesus.

      Dec 24, 2012
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      lowridergirl

      @maxipads
      I highly doubt your a follower, a follower doesn't question another's beliefs and then persecute them when YOU think they are wrong

      Dec 24, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      Jesus didn't "persecute" the Scribes and Pharisees for their practice of false teachings?

      Dec 24, 2012
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      lowridergirl

      @maxipads
      I said you not Jesus. I highly doubt that your Jesus.

      Dec 24, 2012
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      gypsyblu

      high five lowridergirl

      Dec 24, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      When have I ever claimed to be Christ Jesus? Could this be yet another strawman?

      However, Jesus did teach, "A pupil is not above his teacher, but everyone that is perfectly instructed will be like his teacher." (Luke 6:40) He also taught his disciples, "For I set the pattern for YOU, that, just as I did to YOU, YOU should do also." (John 13:15)

      As a student of the life and ministry of Christ I make every effort to follow his model as closely as possible. After all, that's what it means to be a Christian, no? (1 Peter 2:21)

      Hence, if Jesus denounced the hypocrisy of the Scribes and Pharisees and unmasked them to the world, I am obligated do the same with modern day "Scribes" and "Pharisees" which is what I've done with 777.

      In the same way those who made millions with Bernie Madoff would swear up and down he was a brilliant investor, they had to accept the truth that he was nothing more than a con-artist once the truth came out about HOW he was actually going about making them those millions. Did it hurt them? Absolutely! Being taken for a fool would make anyone seethe.

      When a sincere one takes a broader look at the effect their churches, among them the LDS, are having on the world, they accept that, instead of promoting love and unity they overtly and tacitly promote violence, hatred, bigotry and bloodlust. Just like those confronted with the horrifying truth of what Bernie Madoff was actually doing had to face facts and accept the truth, sincere and honest-hearted ones need to do the same and realize that 99.999% of todays so-called “Christians” are the cause of much of the needless pain and suffering in this world while simultaneously being the principal reason why so many millions the world over have turned their backs on God and embraced Atheism, Witchcraft and Islam.

      Dec 25, 2012
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      gypsyblu

      so bottom line it............. ur comment is sooooooo wordy what are you really trying to say

      Dec 25, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      If you don't read my replies why should I read anything you post?

      Dec 25, 2012
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      777heaven

      ROFLOL....whew! Thanks for the laugh Max. The only thing you've managed to "unmask" is your own hypocrisy. You pick and choose which of God's commandments to obey and throw the rest in the gutter. Then you have the audacity to say you pattern your life after Christ...You spit in His face when you knowingly lie REPEATEDLY.

      Dec 25, 2012
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      @777

      Proof?

      Dec 25, 2012
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    sammiesweetheart

    maxacunt i mite be a "crack head" but atleast im not a ********* like u

    Dec 22, 2012
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      lowridergirl

      @iamme
      lol ouch here I was trying to be polite by calling him maxipads....

      Dec 23, 2012
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    gypsyblu

    maxann and brew you two should be ashamed of your self for bulling / baiting a minor,a young girl.....sad sad lot both of you are for such behavior towards a minor.

    Dec 22, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      I can't believe you!! If you really believe that's a little girl then you've got two brains; one's lost and the other's out looking for it, lol :)

      Dec 22, 2012
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      gypsyblu

      ok take ur chances ... and dont come crying . yes i agree there are many (to many) stupid **** men on e/p portraying themsevles as a young female............but i would not take chances, if it says under 18 - walk away...

      Dec 23, 2012
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      hebrews132

      I am not bulling or baiting anyone. i have not threaten anyone or caused them any physical harm.

      Dec 24, 2012
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    gypsyblu

    maxann and brew you two use the person own words against them, spin it back at them... nothing ever gets answered,

    just an on going *** for tat contest.

    Dec 22, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      Apologies. What was your question? :)

      Dec 22, 2012
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      gypsyblu

      MAXXANN>>>Apologies. What was your question?

      GYPSY>.. EXHIBIT A ^^^^

      Dec 22, 2012
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      777heaven

      LOL

      Dec 22, 2012
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    maxximiliann

    @iammeandudonotcontrolme

    The last time you got arrested for doing drugs did you ask the cop, "What gives you the right to judge me for being a crackhead?"

    It's just as silly when you dispute your Creator when He tells you what is right and what is wrong and what he expects of you:

    1 Corinthians 6:18 -

    Φεύγετε τὴν πορνείαν. πᾶν ἁμάρτημα ὁ ἐὰν ποιήσῃ ἄνθρωπος ἐκτὸς τοῦ σώματος ἐστιν· ὁ δὲ πορνεύων εἰς τὸ ἴδιον σῶμα ἁμαρτάνει.

    "Flee from fornication. Every other sin that a man may commit is outside his body, but he that practices fornication is sinning against his own body."


    Note that this passages uses conjugations of the term πορνεία. What is πορνεία?


    The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon

    πορνεία
    Strong's Number: 4202

    Transliterated Word - Porneia - Phonetic Spelling - por-ni'-ah

    Definition:

    Illicit sexual intercourse -
    1.1 adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
    1.2 sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
    1.3 sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,


    As you can see, with a simple understanding of the Koine term πορνεία, it's easy to see what is and is not acceptable conduct in our Creator's eyes.

    Dec 21, 2012
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      777heaven

      And you wonder why you have difficulty Keeping friends on E P...

      Dec 22, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      What can I say, haters are gonna hate, lol. In fact, I say "Good riddens!" The less haters I have in my life, the more room there is for all those who love me and admire my stance for the truth :)

      Dec 22, 2012
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      777heaven

      But what you consider your stance for the truth, more often than not could be said in Kinder terms, or else it need not be said at all. There is the good, the better and then there is the best. Go for the best Max...don't settle for ALMOST good enough...

      Dec 22, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      You overlook the fact that you can't say the right thing to the wrong person and you can't say the wrong thing to the right person.

      More to the point, who was kinder, more loving than Jesus Christ himself? Yet he realized those adamant in their belief that they could approach God on their terms would not take kindly to his message and he was right. In the end, they murdered him.

      So instead of trying to change the message to suit you, why not change yourself to suit the message?

      Dec 22, 2012
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      gypsyblu

      Maxann... YOUR TRUTH IS UR OWN, ITS WHAT YOU HAVE BOUGHT INTO,

      it would be a sad world if we all thought the same, walking around being carbon copies of each other.

      Dec 22, 2012
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      @Gyps

      Hardly. I didn't invent Christianity. Christ passed on the rules given to him by God and I just follow 'em to the best of my ability.

      But, hey, feel free to invent your own religion and "Holy" book. After all, if Charles Manson, Jim Jones, Joseph Smith, L. Ron Hubbard and E. G. White can, why can't you? :)

      Dec 22, 2012
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      gypsyblu

      im sorry what was your question

      Dec 22, 2012
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      lowridergirl

      ^^^hahaha good one^^^

      @Maxipads
      you just copy and paste your words from around the internet. The same comment yoiu just said to Gypsy is the same comment you said to me on a different article you were harassing me about.

      Dec 22, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      @Gyps

      Did you forget your reading glasses again? Here it is once more:

      Feel free to invent your own religion and "Holy" book. After all, if Charles Manson, Jim Jones, Joseph Smith, L. Ron Hubbard and E. G. White can, why can't you? :)

      Dec 22, 2012
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      777heaven

      @ Max. YOU are not Jesus Christ. Stop back peddling in His name every time you get called on the carpet for rudeness. Own up to your actions. You accuse others of being unChristianly, yet you yourself can only quote others. You do not practice much of what you preach. Where is YOUR testimony?

      Dec 22, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      I'm rude for shining a spotlight on the LDS' complicity with Hitler's Final Solution?!?!?!

      Dec 22, 2012
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      gypsyblu

      TSK TSK TSK

      Dec 22, 2012
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      777heaven

      We've been through this already on another story...most of those soldiers were forced or threatened by the Nazis if they didn't cooperate. Check out the just made this year film all about it called 'Resistance Movement'

      Dec 23, 2012
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      777heaven

      And you sidestepped answering my question...

      Dec 23, 2012
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      gypsyblu

      yes i agree reruns from a different story.

      Dec 23, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      So they murdered untold millions of innocents ... because they were cowards?

      Dec 23, 2012
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      maxximiliann

      And if what you claim is true, why did the LDS excommunicate Helmuth Hubener for refusing to murder for Hitler?

      Dec 23, 2012
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      777heaven

      His membership was reinstated Max. You think you have all this Knowledge about my faith, but you were only told carefully selected facts. Other facts you should have been told were completely omitted leaving you with an inaccurate and. deceptive, one sided view of my faith. And I'm sure that was done on purpose.Hubenener was teenager in Nazi Germany who actually led a resistance movement against the Nazis.

      Dec 23, 2012
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    sammiesweetheart

    lol enough people that hate me???? dont u mean u maxi? i mean i saw ur pics u look like a child molester just saying

    Dec 21, 2012
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