Homosexuality And Bisexuality Are Not Sins, Deal With It.

Okay, I will start with the proof. 2 Samuel 1:26 I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.
Look at the part "thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women". Did you notice that? David said that Jonathan's love passed the love of women. Did you also notice the fact that God did not punish them for their same sex relationship? Okay, let's go to 1 Corinthians 7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
Look at the part "it is better to marry than to burn". Did you notice that? That scripture affirms the fact that it is better to marry than to burn, meaning that if people cannot control themselves, they should get married. Obviously, this only applies to mentally competent consenting adults, so don't you dare use the "slippery slope" argument. It is full of logical fallacies. If you want more proof, go to gaychristian101.com.
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but it says in the Bible that marriage is between a man and a woman

What I find to be interesting is that there is not explicit approval of homosexuality. However there is one against it in the bible. If you are prepared to say that is inaccurate then say it. That will give me more reasons not to follow the bible at all. Which I already don't so.

There is nothing implying directly or indirectly a sexual relationship between the two. Just as people say Jesus is god although he never said it but to contrary he denies, you take something from the bible and stretch it for your own purpose.

In the end the truth will be known.

And the name calling begins. I have been called worst. Try again.

Sex between 2 people of the same gender is sin. But, it does not take much for something to be a sin. Consider that simply eating too much food at one meal is a sin. And a tiny white lie is a sin. So, it is not hard to believe that homosexual acts are sinful. But remember: Only God can judge the severity of a sin, based on the person's heart, and also their understanding of sin. A person who commits sin willingly with understanding is more at fault than one who is not aware they are sinning. It is therefore conceivable that one homosexual sin could be less grievous than one white lie, in God's Eyes. Only He knows. We leave that to Him to judge, and we do not judge others. The only thing God asks us to do is to tell other people what the law is, and let them try to follow it, and then pray for them.

Another comparison: It is conceivable that the behavior of heterosexual Christians is worse than the behavior of homosexual atheists who may not know any better. We simply don't know. God will judge us all, and in the end, many who thought they were righteous will not be judged as righteous. But, the law is clear: sex between 2 people of the same gender is sin.

Also remember that God does not hate sinners. That is impossible for Him, because God IS Love. Therefore, to be like Him, Christians MUST love homosexuals.

Finally, sex is not love. Love is not sex. Love can be expressed during sex, but often, maybe even usually, it is not.

You're talking about several different things at once. Same gender sex. Same gender love. Same gender marriage. For all your answers, don't ask fellow humans. Ask God. And, do not tell Him publicly on this website what you think, and do not tell Him privately in prayer what you think. Instead, for 30 days straight, simply pray with all your sincere heart: "Lord, not what I wish, but let what You will - and I pledge to follow Your will, whether it is to my liking or not." In your own words, pray this every day, that you will follow His will. Right now, you are just adamant about saying what you think. And so am I. And that is a waste of time, because your judgment is between you and God. So, take it to Him in prayer, and pledge to do His Will, whether you like it or not. Pray this every day for the rest of your life. It works for everything.

It is correct that I have no right to judge you. I am not trying to judge you. I am saying to take yourself before God daily in prayer and with a sincere heart ask Him to judge you.

I am not commanding you. You should read it as advice. If you already ask God for His Will not yours,... then that is all I'm saying.

He will get you thru. Is there anything you need?

Well this isn't going to help you now, but the breaking of a heart is not always a bad thing. The physical heart is a muscle, and when a muscle tears and then heals, it becomes stronger and bigger. The same goes for the spiritual heart. We all must suffer the breaking of our hearts so that they will grow stronger and bigger in preparation for where God wants to take us - Heaven. Now, that doesn't really help you in your pain, but you will make it.

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To use the example of Johnathan and David does not prove that God accepts what is distorted. If that was the case, then God would have dealt with David's sin seriously as he did with his affair with Bathsheba. Yes, he has broken half of the commandments just like everyone else but he was still known as "A man after God's own heart". God deals with our sin individually, and sometimes he will use other people to discipline us. I do believe that it is a sin but it is not my business to judge (aka condemnation) those who are OUTSIDE of the Church. Scripture does say it is the church's business to judge those who are INSIDE. So if Christians are going around and judging those who are outside about their sins, then it is NONE of their business. If they know a brother or sister who supposedly profess their faith in Christ but is sinning, then we are to bring them back with love.

We ARE sexual beings as God created us and our sexuality is GOOD until sin enter. We are dealing with the heart of a human person--whether straight or gay.

That approach to Bible study is called proof-texting. Unfortunately, modern examples of it can be found constantly... called sound bites. You just snip out the six words you need as a weapon and walla'! However, completely ignoring the immediate context, as well as the full message of the Bible, would not be considered good practice by any serious scholar. Also, know this... in English we have one word for 'love'. Other languages, Greek for example, have multiple words with finer definition. It would be interesting to know what word is used in the original language, in the passage you're quoting above. I'm NOT a scholar so I won't be answering this for you. (sorry)

Thanks for the assist.

sodomy was derived from Sodom and Gomorrah, to describe what the wicked men of that place did.

Read about some of the translation problems with the passages on Sodom and Gomorrah. --HXTP

I rather not, but thank you anyway

Of course, there has to be a "translation problem" if it's something a person doesn't want to hear. From cover to cover the message of the Bible on this subject is clear enough. I'll close with James 1:21, "Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you."

Oh, go look up Peter Damiano (1007-1072), St. Peter Damiano, Doctor of the Church. He's the one who made up sodomy, made it a sin, and convinced the pope to go along. (You can look him up online. One reference: http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/articles/damian1.htm).
--HXTP

People have a way of using God's word to match their beliefs. This is wrong. Also, if men were meant to marry other men, then men would be able to have children on their own. The same goes for women, if that was meant to be, women would not need ***** from men to fertilize their eggs. Please avoid twisting the word of the Lord and look at the practical examples as well before you decide your point.
Also not, Jonathan and David were like brothers, love between brothers often exceeds affection men would show towards the opposite sex. You should have also quoted the verses in the Bible where Jonathan calls David his brother and not only what you felt proved your convictions. Thank God his word is forever clear and always remains True, no matter what people do to it.

"Also note"

In Genesis Chapters 18 and 19, we witness the account of Sodom and Gomorrah's destruction due to their sexual perversion. In this account, Lot, the nephew of Abraham, is living in Sodom. Two angels travel to Sodom and after being invited into Lot's house for the night, the house is surrounded by "all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old… ""They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'"

God never singled out and destroyed any other cities in this manner. The sin of homosexuality was so offensive to God that He annihilated both cities and everyone in them.

The Book of Leviticus is where God laid down His laws to the Israelites. Homosexuality is addressed in both Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13.
Leviticus 18:22: "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Leviticus 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them."

Those 2 scriptures are not related to each other.

In 1 Corinthians 7:9 it is talking about the principles of marriage between a man and a woman and he is also talking to widows.

read the text see the word husbands, widows?

PRINCIPLES FOR MARRIAGE
Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
Now as a concession, not a command, I say this. I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.
To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

It is the scripture, what God has to say about it. It proves that it is talking about marriage, husbands wives, widows. Nowhere does it say or imply that people of the same sex should marry.

Please read the text, what does it say? it is plain in black in white.

Then God is wrong, as it is His word, not mine.

if it is wrong, then where in the original text does it say different?

You want it to be wrong, to justify a sin some are not willing to repent from.
However Jesus said to give up everything and follow him, so are you willing to give up homosexuality to follow Jesus?

Jesus said to repent, and to go and sin no more. He never said to continue as you were.

If you feel judgement then maybe God is dealing with you on the issue. God says it is sin, God judges sin. First salvation, then comes the sanctification. All of us who are saved have sin, the question is are you willing to die to self, to the sinful nature to follow Christ. Christ gave everything He had for you, are you willing(intent) to give up sinful nature to follow Christ? Trust in Christ that He can deliver you from any and all sin. However you have to want to get rid of the sin.

God defined marriage. Then you have not been convicted of it. It like saying that Jesus is not enough to deliver you from sin..That your sin means more to than the suffering of Jesus.

We still have sin in our lives after accepting Jesus, and everytime we sin we have to repent of it. But we don't repent of things until we are convicted of them.
Just because one is saved doesn't mean we have been given a clean slate to keep on with a desire to keep sinning.

You do have a choice continue to believe your sin is ok or choose to trust Jesus to transform your life.

Again, scripture tells all sexual immorality is sin.

Actually it does,

John 7:24

Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

1 Cor 5:12-13 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

Those scriptures are talking about the observance or non-observance of the laws relating to meats and drinks, and days, and times; which means he was referring to Jewish laws concerning eating clean or unclean food.
And to be a stumbling block to your brother if the brother still observes the food laws.

A few verses on farther down in Romans 14 Paul tells us all food is clean.

It is what the scripture says and is talking about. I have not judged you, obnly stated what the word of God says. So if you feel judgement it is coming from the Word of God.

keep believing the lie. Satan is really good at it.

God says sexual immorality is sin, if you are commiting any sexual immorality than according to God you would be sinning in that area.

it is a lie, just like Satan lied to Eve in the garden. He wispered, you will not die,

just as he is now wispering to the culture that sexual immorality is not sin.

We all want our sins to be OK, because then we don't have to give up anything, that is the easy road. the road to follow Jesus is not easy. We have to be willing to give up everything especially the flesh to follow Jesus.

He must increase, but I must decrease.” John 3:30

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