I Do Concider Myself Christian...

Anndei,



Homosexuality is a sin. God says so in the Bible many times. Have you ever thought that maybe you have a medical condition? Look at your hands. Is your ring finger a little longer than your index finger? Scientists have discovered that a woman with a hormone imbalance (she produces too much testosterone) will have the ring and index finger of opposing lengths (the ring finger will be longer). And a man with a hormone imbalance will have the ring and index finger the same length which means he is produces too much estrogen. If more research is put into this and treating homosexuality as a medical condition, it could be possible to cure it by taking a pill. Kind of like ADHD. Of course, it wouldn't currently be politically correct.



Also, we're imperfect, get diseases, make bad choices and die. We're born into sin and die because of it. Many people forget that it was the original sin made by Adam and Eve that we're all living like this now. They turned their backs on God and now God is letting mankind prove that they can live without his grace, love and guidance. How well do you think we're doing so far?

Jesus is about Truth and Love, and people who pick and choose the sins they don't commit to condemn others with just irritate the jeengies out of me!



My bible says lots of stuff, but two things come to mind right now for this topic...



God knew us before we were formed in the womb, and the Holy Spirit draws people to God.



Now, with those two things being said, it seems to me that God knew LONG ago who, and what, I would be...and His Spirit drew me to Him anyway. Yes, we are to become new, and have the mind of Christ, and that doesn't include living a sinful life. But who lives a sinless one? Even if I didn't love both genders, I would still be a sinner. I don't believe the Holy Spirit is in the habit of drawing people who will remain lost. There are countless billions over the ages who never, nor will ever, know God because the Holy Spirit didn't draw them. So, if the Holy Spirit only draws those He knows will be saved, then who are we to say that anyone who calls Jesus Lord and Savior is not saved? Personally, I am NOT going to try to second guess the Holy Spirit of God! I also know that, when the Spirit called to me, it wasn't just me trying to be something I'm not. I don't call myself Christian to meet the "right" person, or to look good to others, or because I grew up in church, or for any other unrighteous reason. I call myself Christian because I know that there is no one besides Him who is worthy of praise, and honor, and glory. I call myself Christian because He loved me before I could love myself. Because He has healed me, because He has chastized me, because He has enocouraged me, because He has waited for me, because He knew from the beginning of time that I would need Him, and He thought of me as He hung and suffered and died on that awful cross. He could have called the angels to take Him down, but He knew I couldn't make it without Him, so He waited there for me.



And you, Anndei. He saw your face, and He waited for you, too.

nicely put societyschild

Seija, as soon as you prove to me that you will get into Heaven with the sins YOU commit (and we both know you sin, because we all do) then I will believe that God will condemn all homosexuals. What? You say you ask God to forgive your sins, and you repent? So what happens if you commit a sin, then have an aneurism and drop dead before you can repent and ask forgiveness? Are you condemned because you died with your sin? You are right, God will not allow sin into His Presence, but Jesus is our Advocate, and His blood is able to wash ALL sins away.



Do you realize that MANY homosexuals don't even have sex? They are just like any hetro couple. Some are active, and others are content to just live and love. So, that gay person that you think God is comdemning just might be living a more holy life than you are. That's why we can't judge. We don't see the bedroom, or the heart. So hows about treating that gay person as a Christian brother/sister, and stop looking at them with videos running through your head?

Any Christian who tries to use the Leviticus verse, or the Levitical Laws to "prove" that homosexuality is an abomination to God needs to read ALL of the Laws. If you expect a homosexual to live up to those laws, then you better be ready to live up to them yourself! Do you wear clothing made out of 2 different materials? Do you eat shrimp, crab, lobster? It's an abomination! Are you a Levite? If not, then those Laws do NOT apply to you, nor do they apply to anyone else who is not a Levite! Learn about the Laws before you try to pin them on anyone. And don't pick and choose which Laws people should live by. When was the last time you sacrificed an animal for your sins? See, you try to hold people to the OLD Laws, but you don't live by them yourself!



Is homosexuality in the 10 Commandments? Lying is. Have you lied? Stealing is. Have you taken a pen from some business without it being given to you? Adultery is. Have you looked on anyone you aren't married to with lust in your heart?



Look up the original meaning of the word in Leviticus. It means male temple prostitute. Yes, that WOULD be an abomination! Yes, Paul said it is a sin for a man to lay with another man as with a woman...but he also said lying, stealing, envy, strife, hate, coveting, etc are sins. NO one is going to get out of this world without blemishes, but the commandments from Jesus...to love God, and to love one another as He loves us, will go a long ways to covering our sins. So, put down the gavel, and let God be the One to wield it.

Windy...Barbara...I think I love you guys! lol.

I am more concerned with your view of the scriptures.

You wrote,"I only believe that bible to be a book of stories that's used to teach a lesson."



The Bible teaches us that:

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV











Christians hold the Bible in higher esteem than that.

Yes my dear one, God does indeed love you and God is Love. However, the very thing that you are counting on is the very thing that condemns you. Yes, God is love and God is good. God is so good and so loving in fact that He cannot allow sin in His presence. Sin violates love and sin eliminates good. Because God is good and loving we cannot be in His presence unless our sins are forgiven. Our sins cannot be forgiven unless we truly repent and turn from them and truly put our faith in Jesus Christ.



I can speak to you of love because I personally know a love even greater than the one that you described, my love for Jesus. Yes, Jesus has saw fit to bring me the most wonderful wife that a man could ever ask for, a true Proverbs 31 woman, and I love her more than anyone or anything, except Jesus, and she feels the same level of love for me. But even though our love for each other is VERY deep, we both love Jesus even more. You see, we don’t call ourselves Christians because we go to a church and try to be good, we call ourselves Christians because we have a deep personal relationship with Jesus Christ. We don’t do good things to earn some merit in Heaven. We do good to grow closer, and closer, and closer to Jesus each and every day. When you truly love someone you naturally want to spend time with them and grow closer to them and sin limits the intimacy that one can share with Jesus.



As to being judgmental, you and others are right; nobody has the right to judge others, except for God. But God already gave His judgments long ago in a book we call the Bible today. I’m not passing judgment on you; I’m simply reporting to you what I know for sure to be Gods judgment. Too many people say “I believe this or that” without anything substantive to base those beliefs on. Too many people just go by their “feelings” and not something sound. You don’t like what I say, get a Bible read it for yourself and ask God to help you understand what you read. If God doesn’t speak directly to you then get someone that God does speak to, a pastor or church leader, and ask them to help you understand God’s Holy Word. Seek answers, understanding and wisdom, that’s what will bring you true love.



Rev. Steward

Good bye

I only hope that the god I pray to is not the same god that you speek of. In my heart I know that my love is good and pure. I still go to church and pray for others who are less fortunate then I. ljtreewalker, I pray for you, that you one day feel how I do. That one day you find that one person, whether male or female, that makes you whole. That day I pray that you understand these feelings.

and also a sin for anyone other then god to judge others. In other words I don't believe it's fair for you to say I'm any less of a person or that your any better then me just because of one act I engage in. All of our sins, including yours, are equal. And with that in mind I believe we will all be judged equally no matter our faults.

When I enter the house of god I will find out for myself how sinful I am and be condeemed for, loving someone with all my heart no matter their faults.

God doesn't want us to put anyone or anything above Him. So if your love for another person is going against how God has called you to live your life, then you are putting something or someone else before God in your life. That being said, it seems pretty clear in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin. But I don't think any person could convince another person of that. I think that takes the work of the Holy Spirit in a person's life. And really that goes for any sin....I know there are areas in my life that God is pointing out I need to work on or change. I'm not saying it's easy, but I think the more we learn to walk in the power of the Holy Spirit in our lives....praying, reading God's word, listening, staying connected to God..the less hard it becomes. I don't think any of us are in a position to judge someone's salvation...that's God job. But sin...we can identify that. As the saying goes, hate the sin, but love the sinner. And we are, indeed, all sinners.

hopefully your wrong. I love her. I was never able to love a man like I love her.



Only three days ago, March 31, made it one year that I have been wearing her ring. Like anyother couple we have our moments but I have never been so connected to someone. So influenced by their smallest actions, like I am with her. It may be a sin, but a sin is a sin is a sin is a sin. I know I'm not the only one that has done something wrong in my life. honestly I even consider things such as smoking a sin. Your killing the gift god gave you...life. Is killing yourself, the very breath that god has given you, equal to the sin that I supposibly plan before our god. My sin is Love. I would never cheat. I will always love her with all my heart. And if this is the only sin I'm guilty of, I think I'm doing pretty good in life.

If you say you are a Christian then no one can tell you any differant. You keep that faith and keep on loving God. A true Christian is not supposed to judge. God Bless you sweetheart and keep smiling.

Good job Cyndi67! Really. What's so hard about understanding that we are ALL in need of a savior? And, even AFTER we've found Him, we STILL need Him? In that moment when we feel forgiveness, who could not want that same feeling for everyone? I don't get it . . .

There is a huge differance in considering yourself to be christian and being a Christian. Being a Christian is having a relationship with the creator of the world.

The Bible speaks in many places about the way God view the G&L lifestyle. He says it is sin. But guess what we have all sinned.(Rom 3:23) We all deserve to die as a result of our sins(Rom 6:23). That means All. Noone has the right to judge another persons lifestlye because we have ALL sinned. It is fortunate for all of us that God also provided payment and forgiveness for our sins through the blood of Jesus. If we confess this fact we will be saved.

We all need to be careful that we show the love of Christ to everyone. We can certainly do that without agreeing with the choices others make.

Well, Pappyboby, and others. I am familiar with Christians who believe the Bible is competely, word for word, the truth about God.



Also, I know that most Christians believe the stories, laws, judgements and punishments are directly from God, and not at all made up by local heros, wisemen, and lords.



There are many places where the Biblical god grants gifts to someone and sends his progeny through somebody, inspite of the fact that they broke several of the laws given by Moses or by other wisemen.



Many religions surrounding the Israelites, or the wandering neonatal Hebrew nation, engaged in

various sexual configurations as married or not married.



Whoever or Whatever drew the slaves out of Egypt, wanted a distinct peope, that were very different and KNOWN as his followers.



Everything that was "normally" practiced by others, was not alllowed for the Hebrew.



This entity, that Moses called god, supposedly said that he was making this buch of slaves from many nationalities into a "peculiar people unto myself".



According to the Old and New Testaments, any sin is a sin.



There are sins that are considered worse than others but these are still sin, or "separation from the character and presence of God".



Homosexuality is listed in several books of the Bible as punishable by death.



I have a theory: This supposed god caused Moses to write laws. In the laws, this god says that a man is not to "spill his seed" and that sex where the male organ is not in the right place is punishable. I ASSUME that this is to preserve the generations with plenty of children. I can not see it as actually a sin, against god, to touch, and stimulate during marital lovemaking in such a way that now and then a Zygote is not formed.



Assuming God is creator of man and woman and sexuality, He has no right to call what he made a sin.



Therefore, I believe the laws, such as those pointed out here, are man-made and had a purpose.



I do not believe the purpose was to keep people out of hell.

If you think gay & lesbians relationships are Ok, you do not read the word of GOD. It is not OK, and the churchs that are acepting it are just wanting to put up numbers.I'lltell you right now you will be judged and you will not see the kingdom of heaven.I think you need tlo start reading the new tesament,and living it.You still have time to make right your wrong lifstyle.

Hey!!! witch craft isnt evil, its just another type of religion, [wicca, or pagan] many people say were evil and we are betraying the lord..No were not!, we just have diferent belefes to others, ,but yet, There are some devil worshipers,out there, but not most f us, we are white, wiccans.....we beleve in the god and goddess of the world, well some can choose who they worship, but most of us,beleve in that....

So, anyway, sorry if I was a bit,...., I just cant stand it when people class us as evil, when in both of our religuns say that we are all diferent yet the same...

Love and light Phoenix xx

That sounds like you are in a very difficult position. But, to my knowledge, there are many denominations that are welcoming and supporting of GBLT Christians, and I don't mean welcoming as in trying to reprogram you. Perhaps you could find some support there? Are there any GBLT congregations in your area? If not I'm sure you could find support online, if you felt you wanted to explore issues of your faith. As an atheist, however, I'd suggest to you that if you view the bible only as a book of stories and not as the literal word of God, your Christianity is not on terribly firm ground. Do you believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is your Lord and Saviour and that he was God incarnate sent to pay for humanity's sins? Because if you just believe in *your* God and not in the Lord Jesus Christ, you are not a Christian, but someone with their *own* specific faith.