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I'm a Christian Who Happens to Be Transgender

i am a Christian who also happens to be transgender. Not the other way around.

A christian who also happens to be a transexual woman.

i know and feel the presence of God in my life everyday.

As any who read my stories you will readily see that i am not perfect. i am learning and growing every day. Hopefully for the better.

i don't believe that it is my place to judge anyone. That is God's job at some point in every ones life. Although some people make this belief hard for me at times.

i do have my convictions on this subject but will not and would not expect all to understand or agree with.

i believe God through his angles has saved me many many times over the years.

i believe Jesus is my savior and that God is loving, gracious, forgiving, and always there to greet me with open arms. God leads and Jesus paid the price for me.

i never gave up on God cause he never gives up on me. Maybe he helped me to my epiphany, my 'Ah Ha Moment' when my internal war ended and i accepted myself.

God made me, for what ever reason he made me this way, a transexual woman.

Why me? i don't know.

However God has a plan for me and for everyone. We are who we are for that reason.

So maybe it would be more true to say, Why not me?

And after all i'm not done yet. He is still guiding me to fulfill his plan.

This is my spirituality, no one elses. My beliefs.

Josie06 Josie06 56-60, F 99 Responses Feb 4, 2009

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“Suffice it to say that if all the world lived by the creed of the Jehovah Witnesses there would be an end of bloodshed and hatred, and love would reign as king!”- “The Sacramento Union”

“They refuse any form of violence and without rebelling put up with the many trials inflicted on them because of their beliefs . . . How different the world would be if we all woke up one morning firmly decided not to take up arms again, whatever the cost or the reason, just like Jehovah’s Witnesses!” - “Andare Alle Genti”

Your nasty little diatribe is neither logical or reasonable seotelkniwt. Neither is your theology sound. You have chosen verses from the Bible to suit your own narrow minded ignorance and prejudice. It is pointless quoting the New Testament unless you accept the fundamental premise that no man by his own effort is able to keep to the law of God and there is no salvation except by Grace, something which you are sadly lacking.

It appears you are under the impression that salvation is something of a free ride, however, is that what Jesus actually taught?

"“Lord, are those who are being saved few?” He said to them: “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell YOU, will seek to get in but will not be able, when once the householder has got up and locked the door, and YOU start to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Sir, open to us.’ But in answer he will say to YOU, ‘I do not know where YOU are from.’ Then YOU will start saying, ‘We ate and drank in front of you, and you taught in our broad ways.’ But he will speak and say to YOU, ‘I do not know where YOU are from. Get away from me, a ll YOU workers of unrighteousness!’" - Luke 13:22-27

maxximiliann is it a 'work of unrighteousness' if I get my teeth straightened or have some removed in order that I can chew or close my jaw properly? So then why do you think it is the crime of the century for me to realign my adult body with my birth certificate? From my poring over the New Testament it seems that Jesus was much harder on the law makers than on the lepers.

@Will

Nothing wrong at all. In fact, it's commendable! Like you there are a multitude of ex-gays and ex-transsexuals who have gone back to the lifestyles in accordance with the gender that describes them in their birth certificate.

It's when man goes against God's intended purpose that grievous and even fatal problems arise, e. g. horrific STDs like AIDS.

maxximiliann nobody seems to fully understand the processes that trigger the growth of our gender at various stages of our development. I do not blame god. Not much in this world is perfect and nature does seem to make mistakes sometimes. Nobody can change the gender that was recorded on their birth certificate but they can with medical and surgical assistance have limited control over the plumbing, hormones and shape of their adult body. Life is more livable with a body that is fully aligned with one gender but nature alone is not always this generous and society can be cruel in it's judgements. Back to my poring over the new testament if I may. Those born blind lived to see miracles but those born with natural sight who supposed themselves to be righteous by virtue of their birth and education did not see the turning point in the Greco Roman world that happened on their watch. There was a special place in Jesus' heart for those rejected by others for moral or social reasons. He was a complete unknown to the authorities but he changed the world forever. If we disparage those he loved and accepted, what does that say about us?

@Will

I. Hermaphrodites are extraordinarily rare and, more importantly, Josie was not born a hermaphrodite. His mother was so obsessed with having a girl that she raised him as such thereby altering his natural sexual identity. In other words, it was pure nurture, not nature.


II. Did Christ turn a blind eye or accept hardened sinners such as the Scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees?

You may have information to the contrary maxximiliann but I was responding to Josie's own account in the story above: "God made me, for what ever reason he made me this way, a transexual woman," and "I know and feel the presence of God in my life everyday" elsewhere in the same story. I do not feel the same urgency as yourself to identify an exact cause because I know that little in this world is perfect and I am not keen to assign 'blame'. I think your reference to hardened sinners is an unwarranted presumption. I accept Josie's profession of faith in Christ as genuine. I have no problem with Jesus either. But the fan club bothers me a bit.

@Will

I. When you get around to going through his other stories you'll realize that is all nurture, not nature.

II. Do the Scriptures teach that a sincere profession of faith is all we need or is there more involved?

"You believe there is one God, do you?+ You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder.*+ 20 But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith apart from works is inactive? 21 Was not Abraham our father+ declared righteous by works after he had offered up Isaac his son upon the altar?+ 22 You behold that [his] faith worked along with his works and by [his] works [his] faith was perfected,+ 23 and the scripture was fulfilled which says: “Abraham put faith in Jehovah,* and it was counted to him as righteousness,”+ and he came to be called “Jehovah’s* friend.”+
24 YOU see that a man is to be declared righteous+ by works,+ and not by faith alone.+ 25 In the same manner was not also Ra′hab+ the harlot declared righteous by works, after she had received the messengers hospitably and sent them out by another way?+ 26 Indeed, as the body without spirit* is dead,+ so also faith without works is dead.+" - James 2:19-25

"He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; he that disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him." - John 3:36

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Re seotelniwt.
Interesting that a Jehovahs witness would comment here, JWs are not Christians as they believe in a different Jesus and a different Gospel according to the Bible and would be wise to familiarise themselves with Galatians 1:8,9

First of all let me set the record straight, Jehovah's Witnesses are christians and the "perfecter of our faith" is Jesus Christ. We try hard, and only with God's help, to follow Jesus fine example of preaching the Gospel of the Good News about God's Kingdom, a heavenly based World Government, that will bring countless blessings to obedient mankind in the very near future. We, Jehovah's Witnesses preach and teach where the people are, and that includes the internet. We are everywhere on this planet earth and even in areas where nobody would have thought of. Soooo it should not be a suprise or a "shock and awe" situation with you because you read comments coming from Jehovah's Witnesses.

Once again individuals like yourself have misapplied, misinterpreted, and misquoted such scriptures like Galations 1:8,9 to Jehovah's Witnesses. We definitely agree with those two verses also....however, because we do not go along with the God dishonoring falsehoods that the vast majority of Christedom, or other segments of false religion have attributed to God and Jesus Christ, you mistakenly claim that we are teaching a different Gospel and the Jesus Christ we follow is different from the Jesus Christ in the Bible? Do you truly and honestly know what you are saying???? Have you truly and honestly compared what Jehovah's Witnesses do and practice in light of the Bible? Has your mind and heart been so clouded with prejudices against Jehovah's Witnesses that you refuse to check out or investigate for yourself any false allegations against us? Or do you blindly take someone elses word?
The old saying applicable in this case: "Get it from the horses mouth". To illustrate: If I wanted to join the Baptist faith and needed to get details on the background, beliefs and teachings of the Baptist faith, would I go to a person of the Catholic faith to get information? What if I wanted to join a Pentecostal faith, would I go to a person Of the Muslim faith to get the history, background, beliefs, activities of a person who is Pentecostal? Or vice versa. Of course not. I would go to person who practices the faith of my choice to accurate information. Anything outside of that would would be sprinkled with inacuracies.

Jehovah's Witnesses preach and teach according to the command and pattern set out for us at Acts 20,21. Jesus sent his disciples out by twos and we follow that pattern as well (Luke 10:1). We preach according to God's Word, no more, no less.

There is a ton of negative information on Jehovah's Witnesses from all sectors of society and we recognize that. We have nothing to hide; as a matter of fact we expect it living in a world ruled by Satan and his demons (John 12:31; John 14:30; John 16:11; 2nd Timothy 3:12 and 1st Peter 4:1-4).

Yes, whether individuals like it or not, the truth in God's Word will stand and cannot be changed or altered...it's divine sayings will always prevail. His Word is against immoral ungodly unions such as transgenderism and the like and no amount of legislation or paper will make acceptable in God's eyes.

But remember, change is possible: 1st Corinthians 6:9-11, particularly verse 11 says that one CAN change and repent of their immoral degrading way of life...thus coming into an approved state or condition with God.

Obviously Josie06 is not a Jehovah's Witness. A person born with no clear gender identity does not fit anywhere. With medical and surgical help it is possible to find a place one way or the other EXCEPT with Jehovah's Witnesses. Why not practice what you preach seotelkniwt. As you yourself say "Get it from the horses mouth". Being transgender is not a choice. It is part of the solution. The other part is open mindedness, something you will NEVER GET from a Jehovah's Witness. It is YOU who are full of prejudice seotelkniwt.

will999, sometimes the truth hurts, it cuts and can be very difficult to swallow or accept, let alone digest...but if one's heart is upright according to God's standards, not mine, not yours or anybody's, then they will feel better later after thinking things out. Even sympathizers of a cause, or sympathizers of others, like yourself can become angry, emotional, and adversely affected and that's understandable....I too am an advocate for the "underdogs" of the world and the snotty nosed kid that everyone picks on; only I go about helping them in another way, with encouragement from God's Word, the truth.

I am not in the business of enabling or encouraging those to continue in their immoral way of life or actions (of which these ones, transexuals and transgenders can work hard if they really wanted to, at suppressing their feelings of being of another gender besides their own. First, an individual has to realize that it is wrong. I don't doubt that at times there is a conflict within their flesh, but nothing is impossible for Jehovah when it comes to giving a person the inner strength to resist immoral urges and actions. I don't give out baby taps on one's wrisk so to speak when something more firmer is needed. I want to "be free of the blood of all men (persons). If a person is born a man and he is more physically of the male species, yet he feels in his heart that he is a woman in a man's body or vice versa with a person born a woman, yet she feels that she's a man in a woman's body....Those feelings with God's help and His Word can assist a person to be what they physically were born to be.
The changing trends of sexual gender is being blurred more and more many are coming out the closet in defiance of scriptural norms and standards....these trends are shaped by societies dictations. And so as a result many are confused either by a permissible liberal environment or by their inner real feelings of wanting to be with the same sexual gender that they are.

Ask yourself this will999: Do you really have (her) best interest at heart morally and spiritually? Are you helping her by saying in so many words: "Now, now there josieo6 (or anybody for that matter), that mean ole' nasty person is bad, don't listen to her/him. It will be alright!" Really then you are actually hurting her sinstead of helping that person.

To illustrate: What if you were not paying attention or was distracted while crossing the street; unaware that a 16 wheeler rig is barreling down toward you. Would you preferr someone to say in a very low tone or whisper while yawning: "Hey there, watch out (pause), you're about to step in front of a truck." Or, would you prefer someone who warns you by yelling, screaming, jumping up and down or maybe even tackling you down to the ground to get your attention and help save your life. I think the answer is pretty obvious.
A real true friend or someone who has your best interest at heart will tell you what you need to hear and not what you want to hear

I do not like your nasty little religion seotelkniwt. I will not block you so as not to invoke the bleeding martyr in you which you may perversely enjoy. I simply will not talk to you again unless I see less smug self satisfaction. JW's as a movement have very little to be proud of. The smart ones learn to think for themselves and get away.

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The simple definition of a christian----A follower of Jesus Christ who tries to the best of their abilities, without excuses, to imitate Jesus' example. And as Luke 9:23 states in part that a follower of Christ would "pick up his torture stake day after day and follow me (Jesus) continually", without reservations or without following the line of least resistance.Please, do not attribute or blame God for the way you are or for making you that way....that assumption is millions of light years away from the truth. God has set standards for true christians to follow. These godly standards steady, anchor, and shore up a christian while the world daily disintegrates and lowers it's standards, principles, and morals.Jesus never taught his followers to engage in alternative life styles or gave them options to choose the way they wanted to live without any regard for his heavenly Father's commandments and principles. Being transexual is unnatural....it is a filthy practice that defiles the body and is condemned in the sc<x>riptures: Many who want to set the tone for their ungodly way of living ignore God's Word and pick and choose what suits them. I cannot sugar coat that fact and reality, it is what it is. Are you familiar with what God's Word says about your being a transgender?....If you truly love God you will be very interested in these words in the Bible book of Romans 1: 24-27 which says: "Therefore God, in keeping with the desires of their hearts, gave them up to uncleanness, that their bodies might be dishonored among them, even those who exchanged the truth of God for the lie......That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their FEMALES changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature, and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, (FEMALES WITH FEMALES), working what if obscene and recieving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error." That sounds very serious. It sounds like God definitely does not approve of the way you are living when it comes to living a transgender life or your approving views on the mattter.Now don't get me wrong God loves people in general; it's just their ungodly lifestyles, thinking, and practices that He abhors. As a matter of fact He sent and allowed His Son Jesus Christ to die for us so that we would have the possibility of having a bright bright future, a good and close relationship with Him (God) and so that we would know how to walk in God's ways, not mans' way. Jesus coming to earth and dying for us accomplished this and much more.As you made mention in your introduction message, that it is not your place or anyone elses place to judge someone else and you are absolutely correct. That is why I use God's Word to back up or cosign what it is I'm saying to others. Please, remember: Just because the world of mankind has bejeweled the detestable practices that Jehovah God thoroughly hates, does'nt make it right or okay or acceptable to God because His beneficial standards never change (Malachi 3:6).My question to you is this: If you truly are a follower of the Christ and obeying what God says or outlines in His Word for true christians, which Christ Jesus certainly did; why are you still transgendering before the eyes of God who sees all things, good and bad and who hates such a detestable practice?

Your nasty little diatribe is neither logical or reasonable seotelkniwt. Neither is your theology sound. You have chosen verses from the Bible to suit your own narrow minded ignorance and prejudice. It is pointless quoting the New Testament unless you accept the fundamental premise that no man by his own effort is able to keep to the law of God and there is no salvation except by Grace, something which you are sadly lacking.

1 Corinthians 6:18 -

Φεύγετε τὴν πορνείαν. πᾶν ἁμάρτημα ὁ ἐὰν ποιήσῃ ἄνθρωπος ἐκτὸς τοῦ σώματος ἐστιν· ὁ δὲ πορνεύων εἰς τὸ ἴδιον σῶμα ἁμαρτάνει.

"Flee from fornication. Every other sin that a man may commit is outside his body, but he that practices fornication is sinning against his own body."


Note that this passages uses conjugations of the term πορνεία. What is πορνεία?


The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon

πορνεία
Strong's Number: 4202

Transliterated Word - Porneia - Phonetic Spelling - por-ni'-ah

Definition:

Illicit sexual intercourse -
1.1 adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
1.2 sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
1.3 sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,


As you can see, with a simple understanding of the Koine term πορνεία, it's easy to see what is and is not correct sexual behavior in our Creator's eyes.

So many Christians forget to love one another. i am happy you show Jesus and God through your walk. some talk the talk but have no walk. Continue your walk with The Lord.
May God always bless you and May you always feel His love and grace in all times for you.

I can relate! That story sounds much like my own life experiences. I also appreciate anyone who knows that God's name and Jesus' name are capitalized. It seems that some of the bible thumpers in society fail to realize this. May God bless you all.

Am a Christian also I can relate to you

Cheers! i am a Christian too <3

"However God has a plan for me and for everyone. We are who we are for that reason."

Completely true, it's about relationship not religion. Any Christian telling you that you're going to "hell" is a hypocrite, because Matthew 7:1 said not to do that.

YAH BLESS.

If you accepted Christ into your life, then you are a Christian. No one can deny you that. Many will try, and it is their bigotry in this that will fail them for all eternity. I am not a church going person and only connect as being Christian as I was raised in a some what Christian home so it is what is familiar. I have an understanding of the forgiveness of Christ and love many of his teachings. I have no doubt that Christ walks with you. Something no one has the right to take from you, or condemn you for. Whether you are transgender, gay straight or Natalie Wood Jesus or what ever god you have faith in loves you and as only as god can of gods creations. Never let another person put you down for being who you are, for they know not what they do.

Thank you Buffy!

It's easy to say "I accept Christ Jesus in my life" those are just words and saying them does'nt make an individual a christian. Serious changes in a person's life have to be made, changes that please God and not ourselves. Becoming a true christian requires one to manifest or have a strong desire to dedicate his/her life to God unconditionally with no strings attached.

I have seen and heard of persons who say they accepted God and Jesus Christ, but their lifestyle, speech, thinking, views don't match up, or line up with the never-changing standards of God's Word (Malachi 3:6; Titus 1:16). So admitting that one has accepted God and Christ Jesus in their lives does'nt mean a thing if serious personality changes and ungodly vices that displease God are not made according to God's will and purpose (Colossians 3: 5-11).

YOUR Quoting Man and your validation is that these writings by man were inspired by "God". Again your faith is your own, I have no right to diminish that which you believe least I be diminishing myself. I can not be told that I am wrong any more then I can tell you that you are wrong faith only wrong in your practice, (I harm no one in mine so don't bother going there). This is why you need to keep your earthly improvisations to yourself. As you have no more answers then I. Let us keep our focus on things that are really important, like Children who go unloved and abuse because of their inner desires to be something society and "Your followers tell them then can not be in "gods world". Let's start to love each other as you say your god wants and expects us to. Let's forgive others of their trespasses as we desire not to be trespassed against. Do not quote me mans bible and tell me that I am wrong because of it. As you are trespassing into a world you have no understanding and because of this lack of understanding you condemn me with not even your own words but words you blindly and slantingly follow. No better then any other person who has used their "religion" to condemn which they value and use to justify atrocities imposed on their fellow man.

No we are not quoting from a mans' book. If we are, which we aren't, why do you enjoy reading from it the teachings of Jesus if it , the Bible is composed of mans' writings and thoughts? :)

Because is has some valuable analogies to living a full and prosperous life. The references to the demons and sin are just synonymous to the ramifications that actually happen to you or those around you when you aren't responsible for your life and those around you. They have little to do with the Heaven or Hell you may elude to, or the "Jesus" you speak of. Man through out history benefits from "stories" these are mans stories from ancient times.. it's time we write some new stories that will benefit and address (with out hate and condemnation) the issues we face in today's world. I get what the authors of the Bible were attempting in that day and age, and it was good. But it is no longer good when it leads people to hate. Which of resent it has been used for.

Obviously you are trying to put a 12 by 16 inch rectangle inside a circle with a circumference of 6 inches, Your assumptions, presumptions and assertations don't fit or make since. Sadly, you truly do not know what the Bible really teaches and for that reason I pity you and I cannot feel remorse, dislike, or hatred toward you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you said your were raised in church as a young child and but never pursued it in your adulthood. Yet, even so God holds us responsible for getting to know him on a personal basis.

I don't want nor need your pity. No I'm not a bible scholar, I have never made that claim nor would I. I will go so far that I have bias against the bible because of people like you demanding it is the word of god. If I were to be so read in it, and in being so turns me into a authoritarian control freak as the way your words make you appear, I want nothing to do with it. I will say this again again and again. The bible is mans creation. Inspired to create dogma used to control the masses. Yes aspects of it are very much joys and inspirations that people can and should live by for a more healthy life of goodness. But your admonishing people for their belief system because it doesn't meet your strict interpretations is a large aspect of the many reasons religions have been at the root cause of the pain and suffering in this world. And why many wrongly reject all religion. There is nothing you can say or do to put me asunder as I have "god" in my life, "I am Christian", (because I was raised this way) The joys in being Christian are familiar to me in the same way a Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim find joy in their familiarity. You will not and have no right in telling me others anything different. If I am in err, then god will be the only entity fit to show me my wrongs, not you or people like you. I live a good and healthy life to the best of my ability, I will help my neighbor when I can. I reject and I do not need people like you condemning my faith or value in life because of who or what I am. Take your bigotry else where and allow others their trespasses as Jesus taught. Your ability to use verse does not make you perfect or any better then anyone. In fact your speak shows everyone that you have no compassion or sympathy in your heart, only rules and edicts. Nor are you gods conduit, nor are you wise. As it is a wise man who understands there are many interpretations and lives to best "himself" and to attempt his own perfection and not adjust the perfections of others.

You say you have "god" in your life? Which one do you serve and worship? Remember, Satan the Devil is a god (lower case letter g) as the scriptures point out at: John 12:31; John 14:30; and John 16:1, as well as 2nd Corinthians 4:4. Did you notice that verse four uses the lower case "g", to refer to Satan as a "god". That's why I raised the question, 'which "god" do you worship?' I serve and worship only one true God. My God's personal name that He has given Himself is Jehovah and His name is specifically found in the Bible at Psalms 83:18; Exodus 6:3; Isaiah 42:8; and Isaiah 54:5 KJV......
God is not miraculously speaking out of the heavens, to show persons like you and myself the wrongs and rights that we are doing in our lives because He uses the ultimate Guide, His Word the Bible to do so. Whether or not you accept the cold hard facts and reality that the Bible is NOT a man's book is your business and choice. But rest assured that there will be an accounting of those who reject it, God's Word, by belittling and demeaning it's Author and contents therein.

I have last comment to you, as I see people like you more harmful then this Devil you claim lay waiting for anyone who is questioning. That comment is simple, "You are a Religious Zealot!", And you use the redundancy of your book (which was written by man) to justify your interpretations. You have only dogma to convey your message, and you devalue anyone that disagrees with your faith and with claims they are ignorant of the word of god, at risk of being tools of the Devil.. Let me enlighten you a little. My god loves all it's creations and has created this miracle that we call life. Your devil is a construct used to manipulate the weak of mind. I believe my god to be in all aspects of the reality we see and the reality we are incapable of seeing. I believe your Devil lives in the hearts and minds of people who wish to diminish others with claims of blasphemy, (a typically weak minded argument of a person blinded by their faith and ignorant of the many more aspects of life. My god does not condemn, my god creates, my god created you and I in my gods image, my god is male my god is female, my god is the grass my god is the sky, my god love you as equally as my god loves me. my god has no devil it has repercussions for the actions a person takes against another. my god lives in a house that allows all to live and be part of the goings on. my god lives in the hearts and minds of people who see goodness in the world and can recognize bad, not as the work ot a devil, but of the doings of a person misguided by hate. My god looks at people who make absolute claims about an interpretation of man as being the word of god a great but imperfect attempt to live godly. my gods son, the profit saw the goodness of all and was persecuted and punished because of evil people and political gain. His death on the cross is a reminder that we are all filled with sin and with that sin capable of doing harm to ourselves or others. His willingness to forgive us was his words that spoke of the ignorance and that he can forgive ignorance. Just as I forgive you for lashing out against those you do not believe to be godly or Christian, because they do not follow your (man written) dogma! So I have said my piece to which I am quite sure that you will come back with more of your :"mans words" to justify your demeanor posture and position. And that is all you will have is yourself alienating yourself from the rest of the world. God bless you, and I forgive you as you know no what you speak, (as I said you keep reiterating mans word). I can speak for many souls who have been persecuted because of people like you and those that take your interpretations of the book written by man to the extreme. So how does it feel having the blood of those persecuted by followers of your book on your hands?

Give it up! your a zealot period! do yourself a favor and take a moment to pontificate on your blindness and ask your self why to proselytize your church is so profitable? And then reflect on all the harm it's done to humanity and those who fall outside of it's doctrine and then talk to me about who is this Devil!

And Just for giggles

Who Wrote the Bible - Evidence of Divine Inspiration
“Who wrote the Bible” is a question that can be definitively answered by examining the biblical texts in light of the external evidences that supports its claims. 2 Timothy 3:16 states that “All scripture is inspired by God….” In 2 Peter 1:20-21, Peter reminds the reader to “know this first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, … but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” The Bible itself tells us that it is God who is the author of His book.


Hmmm Men moved by the "holy spirit", I once new a rock group in the 60's that made similar claims to validate their drug induced music! Again, you can not use anything in the bible, to justify it's writings as it's writings attempt to validate is self.. it is only a persons "faith" that allows it to be a truth for them..

So let me clearify.. you are welcome to pontificate your bible in what ever manner you desire.. but know one truth. it is not the absolute truth. The culmination of all of mans writings can only scratch the surface of the truth and meaning of life and the responsibilities we have in life. So get off your podium and let others live as you would wish them to allow you to live. Amen!

Now that you've gotten everything off of your chest and blown off some steam.....end of conversation, though I honestly don't believe you can resist the urge to make another last ditch effort in refuting the truths I have stated...prove me wrong.

I don't need to prove you wrong, I also don't believe you actually think your without culpability here! As for blowing off steam.. tis far far better to proclaim love for thy neighbor then to bloviate your disdain for anyone that doesn't make muster to your rules. And if the truth be told, I was not having a conversation with you, I was throwing stones at your BS. Your the one that began the pontification to a persons honest feelings about their spirituality.. I bet If I put this on a word count software program your diatribes would far out number my retort. Hope you feel good gloating in your righteousness..

MrsJoanieBNH I agree with your reply to Josie06 but I have never had much luck trying to reason with JW's. Reason is not what they care for. To my mind Jehovah's Witnesses are not really Christian but they have a right to their beliefs. I tolerate them, not out of agreement but for the greater cause of liberty.

HI Will Thank you. My responses to Josie06 really didn't have much to do with JWs. It began more with her spiritual being about being Trans and being Christian. Then it became a convoluted talk back with seotelkniwt who knows all and sees all and is the supreme judge as to who can be Christian and who can not be. Like you I have no issues with someones faith. What I have a problem with is when people make the claims they do condemning an others own faith. Especially when they attempt to use their own doctrine as proof. And extreme example of this would be like saying the documents related to the "final solution" justified the Holocaust. Of course I'm not comparing the two. The bible is at least an attempt at harmony and peace in the worlds of heaven and earth. My problem if you haven't been reading, is that people who are zealot about their faith and denouncing others by creating a leader board of faith value and correctness can also be compared to those evil doers who use the bible to put asunder, harm or even murder those who disagree or live in an other faith.

@MrsJoanieBNH

If I may, and with all due respect and kindness, what tangible evidence led you to conclude your god is real?

Also, what makes your god real and all other professed gods false?

Dear Maxximiliann,

Tangible ~ (adj) Able to be touched: able to be touched or perceived through the sense of touch actual: capable of being understood and evaluated, and therefore regarded as real: able to be realized: capable of being given a physical existence.

What concludes my god* as real..? "Look around!" as there is as much evidence, seeing hearing touching smelling as you can give me that in the way you enjoy your faith exists.

In your second paragraph you suggest that I am say "all other professed gods are false" Never have I professed any god* false.

My suggestions have been specifically:

1. That a person is and should be, free to find faith in their own ability, need, and experience.

2. That man wrote the bible and that this writting is base on "non tangible" evidence and influenced by that "non tangible evidence I.E. "the holy spirit".

3. That the use of the bible as "tangible" prof to proselytize it's dogma and diminish an other faith dogma is not proof and thus does not place a specific righteousness on the person doing so.

4. And my most major point has been that in the use of this specific Christian dogma, and many other dogmas have been used as good and righteous excuses/reason/rational to demoralize, demonize, abuse, condemn, maim and murder innocent individuals for no other reason then they are different and outside the parameters of that dogma.

As I had scaned your posting of the "JW and desire for peace" in many of your comments. I understand that peace will only be recognized when all individuals turn swords into plows. This is quite true and requires a faith beyond faith and is a great joy in speaking. and is a righteous dream of man kind. Sadly there have been a boat load of injustice breed from man's attempt to force it's word on those who see it differently.

* god ~ call this deity as you enjoy, it is but one and it is greater then any and all, it may be a creation, a design, an inspiration, a meditation, a reason or it may be everything.

Amen

@Joanie

Thank you for that thorough explication! :)

You say "that a person is and should be, free to find faith in their own ability, need, and experience."

If I may, does this also include Al-Qaeda, radical Islamists and Satanic cults?

god* is present in many many ways. Some miraculous some horrific, man has free will, if his will is evil and does evil things or if he forms large groups that do evil deeds it has more to do with the ignorance of man then it has to do with mythical demonic angles (analogous stories with messages). Just as there are Christians who have done evil in the name of our lord so have there been Islamic and pagans. I am to innocent to know why god has given us evil, except that we may know good. I can not understand why men do evil things as I can not contemplate in any form harming another precious individual. I do know that man no matter his religion, and his religion are corrupted by evil men.

And that is my issue with anyone who demands that their religion has "all" the answers and demands that all must follow it or be cast out as evil, as it means those individuals in that religion are treading close to if not crossing the line of those examples you have sited in al-Qaeda or any other radical group lead by evil men who recruit zealots!

I agree with you Joanie in this case. It takes courage for anyone to stand up and admit their faith in Christ. The Jehovah's
Witne.SS.e.SS have very little to be proud of for the way they always mob the weakest targets and they made a BIG MISTAKE in this particular case because Josie06 is obviously not weak in FAITH however marginalized she may be as a transgender person. The ignorance of maxximiliann & co. is stagering given their narrow minded association of transvestism & ********** with serial rape which I find unacceptable in an organization that assumes the moral high ground with no justification that I can see. The appeal to reason with them like civilized people is NAUSEATING to say the least. What do they contribute to civilization? HATE fueled religion is VILE.

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You are severely and dangerously deceiving yourself and others. It states clearly in the scriptures that dressing in womens apparel is a sin for a man, that it is a sin for a man to be effeminate and that it is a sin for two men to have sex with each other. whatever you 'feel' cannot be relied on, many are the 'feelings' that can be generated from many sources, even demonic ones. if your faith doesn't line up with the scriptures then you are not a Christian at all, but are following the doctrines of demons and a false "christ". GOD did not make you to be or want you to be a 'transexual'.

I am telling you this for your own good, if you think GOD approves of 'transexualism' then you are blaspheming. Many a false doctrine starts with the justification of sin. A wise man takes counsel.

If you are going to disagree and screech at me, save it to tell GOD. we will stand before HIM very soon, He has already told us what HE thinks of such things.

I'm sorry, wolfman, but your speaking of another mans words (The bible is a book written by man, who at the time my have been inspired by gods word, but that word was relative to the times to create a following which would be safe and Prosperous) Many of the words you site, were meant to control the masses, and only some to provide devise inspiration on and individuals path to holiness. To interepert those words today, you must understand the enlightenment of people today. God has created us in gods image. Be a person gay, transgender, homophobic, pacifist, murder. We are gods image because god has created all of us. Crawl out from under your rock. Stop attempting to control other peoples lives and faith. You are not god you can not condemn a person for living their inspirations and you are a fool for trying. If you want to see goodness in this world start living goodness.

Inherownwords, transgenderism, being gay, lesbianism, being a transexual, bi-sexual or the like, are all in the same boat in God's eyes...And Josieo6 is justifying her lifestyle by labeling it with the word "christian"....it's interesting that the Bible says that a person can be "sincere", but not according to accurate knowledge. Romans 10:2,3 says: For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to accurate knowledge, for, because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own, they did not subjuect themselves to the righteousness of God." So I don't doubt josieo6's sincerity or even her zeal, but i do know that based on Romans 1:24-27 that josieo6's sincerity and zeal is severly misplaced because of a lack of accurate knowledge from God's Word.

Where did you, or where are you getting your information? Certainly not from the authority of the Bible....It is ALL the same, they are all filthy habits, vices, and practices in the eyes of God. Do you really know anything about what the Bible says regarding those types of sinful alternatives lifestyles? Be careful, do not presume that you know how God feels and thinks about issues like that.

It doesn't! And even if it did, it can not be accurate. Transgenderism may be an abnormal, and perhaps not as prevalent as those born with their minds in their respective bodies but as aspect of humanity it still exists as does homosexuality. To site an ancient document to condemn a very real aspect of life, (which was unknown at the time, due to the ignorance prevalent at that time) is paramount to the ultimate ignorance we could ever perpetrate on one another. Akin even to Hitler proclamation of a superior race. I would have to say, if Jesus, (an awesome profit) were walking around the world today, he would proclaim the same things he did then, but the lepers of today would be those of us not the norm attempting to live in a paranoid society.

I agree Soet, except this person has been informed and is in rebellion. The rest of you commenters need to realize this is a Scriptural topic and go be mindlessly simperingly 'politically correct' elsewhere.

Do you REALLY want to know?

A person has to be a deep thinker spiritually speaking to discern the true meaning and spirit of what a Bible verse is saying. The Bible does'nt use the words: lesbian, gay person, transexual, homosexual, unisex, transgender and the like. As anybody ever saw those words? No, and you won't; unless someone comes up with an ultra modern version of the Bible.
The plain and very clear verse at Romans 1:26,27 says it all: "THAT IS WHY GOD GAVE THEM UP TO DISGRACEFUL SEXUAL APPETITES, FOR BOTH THE THEIR FEMALES CHANGED THE NATURAL USE OF THEMSELVES INTO ONE CONTRARY TO NATURE; likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another....recieving in themselves the full recompense for their ERROR....Anyone, wanna challenge God concerning His decrees, views, and words on this matter of transgendering? It's in your own copy of the Bible if you dare look it up for yourselves. You need not be afraid to see for yourself. No one on this site will see you reading Romans 1:26,27, with the exception of God, Himself.
Also, the purpose, result or ulterior motive of those who live such a lifestyle is to intimately sleep with and to engage in sexual intercourse, either orally or by means of other estatic apparatus or paraphernalia. Truly a disgusting thing in God's eyesight as stated in His Word the Bible (Leviticus 18:22; Leviticus 20:13; 1st Corinthians 6:9). So, just because a particular word or an alternative lifestyle form that goes contrary to scriptural norms and standards prescribed by God Himself is not mentioned in the Bible does not mean that it's okay to live that way or even think that way (Matthew 5:28)....The stated principles in God's Word covers all areas of life, including the regulatory of what's decent, proper and acceptable in His eyes. Not yours, theirs, or mine.

I would also go so far as to say that any hostility towards homosexuals in the bible is mans attempt to disseminate behavior it didn't like at the time man was inspired to write the bible. A great story with wonderful was to live in a godly manner, But speaks from a time when not much was know about the differences and indifference in peoples. A persons faith is their faith and can/should not be judged. A persons actions are their actions and should always be judged.

Inherownwords, again, transgender, transexual, lesbians, homosexuals, unisex persons who go both ways, gays are ALL in the same group.....they all have sexual intent, and that is to sleep with the same sex.....that's the connecting thread, and adhesive glue that clumps them altogether. None of those groups that I mentioned are leading celibate lives, none of them are sitting back and twiddling their thumbs and saying: "Oh no!, just because I wanna be a man, or feel that I'm a man in a woman's body even though I'm a woman; I'm not going to have sex or sleep with a woman; my 'morals' will not allow me to do so!" And vice versa, a man who's having a gender identity crisis will not be echoing those words either. Immoral, sexual intent is the aim of those who practice such vices. It does'nt matter what label is given to these ones. Get them altogether at a party and see if they don't 'get with each other'. They all have the same common immoral goal.
As far as judging others way of life or living; the Author of the Bible, Jehovah God said DO NOT LAY with a male the same as you would with a woman and the same applies to women....The truth is so simple, clear, understandable, and obvious; yet uninformed unbelievers and uninformed skeptics, blindly co-sign one anothers dogmatic statements without checking things out for themselves. Beware, when you reject God's Word because you believe it is a mans' book and not God's, or when you say that it's contents are not practical and beneficial for our day and age; then you are not really rejecting me; but you are to your own detriment rejecting God. Those who read this post ask yourself: Are you a follower of men? Do you have a fear what others will think about you if you say or do something contrary to their dictates; in other words going along with the majority even though deep in your heart what someone else is saying or has said makes sense to you? If your heart and mind says that certain things make sense and certain things said don't make sense pray to God for further understanding on what's being stated. I wholehearted encourage ones who sinerely want to know more about the Bible to talk with Jehovah's Witnesses. Do not be swayed by negative propaganda.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/the-bible-a-book-from-god/

I respect your views Inherownwords although I don't agree with them. What I "will" call you is a person standing up for your beliefs and I can't and don't want to take that away from you....My purpose or goal in commenting on this topic is to encourage more Bible reading and to discuss this topic in the light of the scriptures, God's Word. As one of Jehovah's Witnesses I definitely recognize that the vast majority on this site and elsewhere do not like what we preach and teach concerning the Bible because it does'nt go along with what they've been taught all their lives or heard from others. This stark fact does'nt deter me at all, as a matter of fact with a sense of urgency it motivates me to continue to strive in what I'm doing despite the negative comments I recieve at the doors, while informally witnessing to someone; like on my job or at the doctor's office, in the parking lot of a business, or here on the internet; I do this out of agage' love for my neighbors because lives are at stake. I also do this for a greater love of God, Jehovah. And no it's not hurting anybody but you.
Again, I respect your stance and will not comment anymore on your replies unless you direct them to me. Take care.

@seotelkniwt Yes, you are correct, lives are at stake. Specifically, the lives of innocent people attempting to live as close to a normal life as they can but, will in some manner of shape or form be robed of living that life or life itself. And this will happen because of those who take mans inspirational words (inspired by who or what ever) to mean that they are justified in a violent or non violent manner to attack this innocence, based on the dogmatic values a book that may have been divinely inspired, and written by man with all of man's sin to justify their deeds. Again your faith is your faith. But when you judge a person to be at risk of life, you robe that person of living. Any person Gay, Transgender, Straight as as much right to their values, belief and morality as you. Your proselytizing may in your mind be justifiable. In my mind it is harmful and condemning. Prove me wrong!

It says it inherownwords

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

mrsjoanie, since you are going to just say that any part of the Bible you dont like is "obviously mens ideas" then you do not believe in the Christian faith which is DEFINED by believing that the Bible is inerrant. and so......, since this is a discussion about what IS and what IS NOT Christian, you and your comments are totally out of place and only serve to muddy the issue for a personal agenda which is obvious.

Loving someone means telling them the truth and warning of the danger they are heading toward.

mrsjoanie, if the Bible is right (and it is) then warning people, even if it 'bothers' them is the best thing we can do for them. One day you yourself will regret all these things you are saying very much, either in this life as part of repentance or eternally in the next life as part of justice for trying to help people go to hell.

@Joanie

Can you show me, please, how the following is harmful and condemning?

“YOU heard that it was said, ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU; that YOU may prove yourselves sons of YOUR Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous. For if YOU love those loving YOU, what reward do YOU have? (Matthew 5:43-46)

"But now really put them all away from YOU, wrath, anger, badness, abusive speech, and obscene talk out of YOUR mouth. Do not be lying to one another. Accordingly, [] clothe yourselves with the tender affections of compassion, kindness, lowliness of mind, mildness, and long-suffering. Continue putting up with one another and forgiving one another freely if anyone has a cause for complaint against another. Even as Jehovah freely forgave YOU, so do YOU also. But, besides all these things, [clothe yourselves with] love, for it is a perfect bond of union." - Colossians 3:8,9, 12-14.

Hello MrsjoanieBNH, I will not try to convince you that you are wrong nor will I try and prove that you are wrong concerning God's Word the Bible. I must say this much; that you are very passionate in your beliefs and stance; and for that reason alone I must respect and bow out gracefully to end our conversation. I have given it my best shot to at least tweak your mental powers and emotions; only I caused you and others anger which was never my intent. For that I apologize from my heart. And Mrsjoanie****** you have given it your best shot to tweak my mental and emotional feelings....and I must say you did ruffle my feathers there a time or two :) And you surely gave me a run for my money so to speak....So I will apply what Romans 12:18 recommends for all persons, not just christians to do: "If possible as far as it depends on you (me), be peaceable with all men." Mrsjoanie***** Take care. "Theotekniwit" :)

Their is no such thing as a transexual, if you were born with a penis and testicles you are a man. So it comes down to gays and crossdressers.

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Thanks for your courageous post Josie and your faithful witness. As you no doubt expected there is no small amount of intolerance in some of the responses. In this world we are not perfect, only forgiven. As Christians we acquire redemption by faith. 'So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal. ...' (2 Corinthians 4:18). If only your bigoted critics were aware of their own failings, their religious profession might mean something. They have nothing to be self righteous about. Every true believer knows this. Thank you for your honesty. Would you like to chat about how you came to know and feel the presence of God in your life everyday? This happened to me when I least expected it. Most of my friends thought I had lost my mind. The experience was very real and very personal. It was a gift from above. There is no other way to explain it. EP email me if you wish.

It appears as though you sincerely believe that, since we're all sinners, God doesn't care if we practice sin. If that's true, how do you explain the following?

"26 For if we practice sin willfully+ after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth,+ there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,+ 27 but [there is] a certain fearful expectation of judgment+ and [there is] a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition.+

28 Any man that has disregarded the law of Moses dies without compassion, upon the testimony of two or three.+ 29 Of how much more severe a punishment,+ do YOU think, will the man be counted worthy who has trampled+ upon the Son of God and who has esteemed as of ordinary value the blood+ of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has outraged the spirit+ of undeserved kindness with contempt?

30 For we know him that said: “Vengeance is mine; I will recompense”;*+ and again: “Jehovah* will judge his people.”+ 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of [the] living God.+" - Hebrews 10:26-31

hi there josie<br />
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I cannot judge you like you say in your post likewise you cannot judge me. judgement is Jesus' domain and we do not know how he will do what he will do.<br />
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I today read a very interesting excerpt in revelations which prompted me to reread the whole of revelations. i will tell you what i have found. If you understand truly that Jesus is the Living God then you have eternal life! that is the Promise Jesus makes everyone of us. all your sins are washed away and no man can take that away.<br />
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I however do not want you to think for one minute that an immoral life in the eyes of God will ever be acceptable! that is not what He wants for any of us. You will get REWARDED(punishment is for non believers) for the life you lead. that you must accept. i understand the place you find yourself is not one of your choosing. but we must both me and you turn from our sin. when we transgress Jesus cleans our slate but that does not give us the right to keep on living in that sin.<br />
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I'm a manic depressive with suicidal tendencies, this too was not my choice! but unlike you i do not get another chance when i make the wrong choice. my sin will unfortunately be a final act which would call God a liar when he says no trouble is to big for us to overcome. If i am not allowed to call God a liar then you are not either.<br />
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accept who you are does not mean accept what you do. i accept me and the way God made me. but i do not put the gun in my mouth<br />
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I'm sorry if this is harsh and not what you want to hear but if you are a christian then you have to follow Christ<br />
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God does not expect us to be perfect, but he does expect us to try to be<br />
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Hope you find the Love and Good intention in my message and not one of condemnation or judgement.<br />
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May God be with you every step of your way, and may he guide you in everything you do In Jesus name

All those typing about how sin is sin need to remember that the bible also says in the New Testament that a woman should cover her head and not speak out in church. The bible also talks about how one should not lust,eat shellfish,mix two types of fabric,eat pork,get tattoos, and get divorced. If it is a sin we are all just as guilty bc we all tend to ignore those things. of that I am guilty as well. The only unpardonable sin mentioned is to blasphemy the holy spirit. Anyway Josie...if you could add me I'd like to message you if that's ok. :)

You make some interesting references, however, it seems you're overlooking an important fact. For instance, do the laws of Japan apply in Australia? When a person in Ireland is arrested, are they tried according to Haitian law?

And you'll really have to pardon my ignorance here, guys...because after posting that long comment, i thought about what 'transgender' actually means...and from what i understand, it's a person who is born with both male and female body parts...and is not even a matter of choice...and is very different from homosexuality because there are actual physical attributes that the person is born with, as opposed to it being just an issue of orientation...so yeah, i hear ya...and i admire your courage for posting this blog. Hugs!!

Thing is Josie was born fully male, not hermaphrodite, and was raised by his mom as a girl. His transsexuality, then, is not nature but pure nurture.

I agree that God is both extremely holy & extremely loving. And we all have our areas where we are challenged when it comes to holiness...for some, it might be their temper, for others it might be various issues with sexuality...for others yet, it may be lying, or gossip, or judging...not one of us is exempt or in a place to be able to judge others...we need to help bear one another's burdens...i think what happens is that alot of people get into despair and lose hope when they feel they can't change when it comes to alot of these things...after they have tried over and over again and fail...and for their own sanity they just come to a place of accepting things exactly as they are instead of being able to really believe they can have complete deliverance...so i really do get it. I believe with all my heart that we, as a Body of believers, need to really be able to get to the place where we care enough, love enough, to really help our dear brothers and sisters...to rise up and be the Body of Christ that Jesus died to have....one that knows how to set the captive free, to minister deliverance the way Jesus did when He saw the crowds who were harassed and helpless and like sheep without a shepherd...He felt incredible compassion for them and cast out the "demons" they were struggling with...and we've all got them...just different ones...but a church to really love, to really pray and believe and offer up a safe place where there is deep inner healing of root issues that have caused the person to not be able to feel comfortable in the gender they were born with...who are caught in this maze of sexual identity issues...this is not just something that people can "snap out of" on their own...it's very real, very complex, and something Jesus Christ died for so that people could be free for real. Holiness is a gift, given to us freely by Christ. That's why i love guys like John Crowder and Ben Dunn...alot of people in the church criticize these guys, because they are out of the box and really unconventional in their ways of doing ministry, but they preach about intimacy with Jesus like the mystics of old, and they see people completely set free from addictions and sexual identity issues and all kinds of things that man would say 'impossible' to...because nothing is impossible with God...the proof is in the pudding...they themselves were instantly delivered from drug addiction before they became preachers...i believe that God's heart for people is to set the captives free and make them into some of the most powerful preachers and ministers the world has ever known...setting them in the highest places of royalty with Jesus!! Daddy God loves you transgender people, and so do I!!

I understand ... some people will never understand.

I'm sorry but that's impossible for doesn't make mistakes so if your born a male or a female that is what god wanted you to be. Satan is a great liar and can come to you as god and trick you..

GOD DOESN'T MAKE MISTAKES right? So let's abolish ophthalmology and orthodontics. If god wanted everyone to have good vision and straight teeth everyone would be born that way. As you say, Satan is a great liar and can come to you as god and trick you. YOU SAID IT punkash.

Our imperfections are the result of God making mistakes? Nothing could be further from the truth for:

"The Rock, perfect is his activity,*+
For all his ways are justice.+
A God* of faithfulness,+ with whom there is no injustice;+
Righteous and upright is he.+" - Deuteronomy 32:4

Why then do we possess imperfection such that we, inevitably, get sick, grow old and eventually die? This is why, "For the wages sin pays is death." - Romans 6:23

But how is it that we've all come to inherit sin? Romans 5:12 explains, "Through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned."

As such, our need for doctors, hospitals and medicine is not because our Creator goofed. It's because we've all been born in Adamic sin. This also explains homosexuality and transsexuality.

Now, since we're all born in sin, does this mean God doesn't care if we practice sin? If that's really the case, how do you explain the following?

"26 For if we practice sin willfully+ after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth,+ there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,+ 27 but [there is] a certain fearful expectation of judgment+ and [there is] a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition.+

28 Any man that has disregarded the law of Moses dies without compassion, upon the testimony of two or three.+ 29 Of how much more severe a punishment,+ do YOU think, will the man be counted worthy who has trampled+ upon the Son of God and who has esteemed as of ordinary value the blood+ of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has outraged the spirit+ of undeserved kindness with contempt?

30 For we know him that said: “Vengeance is mine; I will recompense”;*+ and again: “Jehovah* will judge his people.”+ 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of [the] living God.+" - Hebrews 10:26-31

To be saved you must believe and you must obey JESUS. And being "transgender" is a great sin. If you repent maybe you can still be saved. You must lay aside earthly wants that get in the way of your relationship with GOD. If you are assuming that you can go on sinning and be saved, you are gravely mistaken, read very carefully the Bible and you will realize this. GOD makes no one transgender, true hermaphrodites are just mutated over developed women. If you have a penis and testes, you are a man.

Don't listen to kaveboy here...he doesn't understand transgender..science will beat out your religion boy. U know that transgender can have male genitalia but ovaries too!?! And it's proven that they can look like male but feel as if they were female..and vise versa. I'm sorry u don't know the first thing about God, but it's ok...you might repent for your sins one day too. :)

natalie, you are very wrong on all counts. You simply want to follow me around disputing me because your own conscience bothers you and the things I say are exactly what you want to shout down because they echo what little of your own conscience is not too burned out to tell you. Speaking to me in a provocative manner is the result of your frustration that I and the truth that I state will not be silenced or play along with your delusions.

I must say, a lot of these posts have made me feel quite cross and upset.<br />
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Plenty of you all throwing sc<x>ripture about but what it all boils down to is SIN is SIN. Simple. There is not a grading scale for it. Just becuase Josie has decided to live her life as a female does not make that sin worse than say, cheating or lying or that sinful thing you done last week... Yeah, you know what im talking about! (lol)<br />
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All sin is sin. It is not on a sliding scale. Who are any of you all to judge this wonderful child of God made in HIS image. <br />
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If any of you has not sinned then feel free to carry on, if not then pipe down.<br />
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Josies relationship with God is a personal one and I am sure this decision was not taken lightly and there was much prayer and dialoge with Him.<br />
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As a CHRISTIAN who has sinned Many times Josie, thank you for sharing your story here. Xox

@Kookie

It appears as though you sincerely believe that, since we're all sinners, God doesn't care if we practice sin. If that's true, how do you explain the following?

"26 For if we practice sin willfully+ after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth,+ there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,+ 27 but [there is] a certain fearful expectation of judgment+ and [there is] a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition.+

28 Any man that has disregarded the law of Moses dies without compassion, upon the testimony of two or three.+ 29 Of how much more severe a punishment,+ do YOU think, will the man be counted worthy who has trampled+ upon the Son of God and who has esteemed as of ordinary value the blood+ of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has outraged the spirit+ of undeserved kindness with contempt?

30 For we know him that said: “Vengeance is mine; I will recompense”;*+ and again: “Jehovah* will judge his people.”+ 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of [the] living God.+" - Hebrews 10:26-31

I think that we do judge using GOD`S word. I think if God made you the way he did you need to except that. Remember what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah ? When a person becomes a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN there should be REPENTANCE which is turning from SIN.Many say they are christians but are not. Jesus said In Matthew 7:21-23 he never knew you.Read these verses.Many people claim to be christian but never received Christ as there Personal Savior also along with this they don`t Repent of their sin. I ask that you talk to a Pastor that uses God`s Bible. That you will know him.If your not saved you will go to HELL. I say this to you so you know with out a doubt you are saved.I`m not sorry to say this because I want you to be in Heaven<br />
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God Bless You,<br />
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I agree with your statement "i believe Jesus is my savior and that God is loving, gracious, forgiving, and always there to greet me with open arms. God leads and Jesus paid the price for me" . God is a loving God, and just because you were born in the wrong physical body does not change his love for you. And as long as your sexuality does not harm anyone, there is nothing sinful about it. We all need to be more loving people. <br />
I wish you the best.

Thing is Josie was born fully male, not hermaphrodite, and was raised by his mom as a girl. His transsexuality, then, is not nature but pure nurture.

God Bless You, thank you for being who you are and being in the lead to help others be who they are too. You are a blessing, I hope you know that.

I am A Christian Also. I believe in Jesus as my savior and I live buy the principlas of goodness that are in the Bible. <br />
But sometimes I get aggravated at the Christian circle out there because there is a lot of baloney in the religious circles. Condemning Homosexuals and preachers trying to milk money out of people all the time and that gets to me. <br />
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But I know that God is real and that God is LOVE <br />
so I walk in Love and I have learned from God what love is and how to love people and how to be compassionate towards others.

@Gman

It appears as though you sincerely believe that, since we're all sinners, God doesn't care if we practice sin. If that's true, how do you explain the following?

"26 For if we practice sin willfully+ after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth,+ there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,+ 27 but [there is] a certain fearful expectation of judgment+ and [there is] a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition.+

28 Any man that has disregarded the law of Moses dies without compassion, upon the testimony of two or three.+ 29 Of how much more severe a punishment,+ do YOU think, will the man be counted worthy who has trampled+ upon the Son of God and who has esteemed as of ordinary value the blood+ of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has outraged the spirit+ of undeserved kindness with contempt?

30 For we know him that said: “Vengeance is mine; I will recompense”;*+ and again: “Jehovah* will judge his people.”+ 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of [the] living God.+" - Hebrews 10:26-31

Josie,<br />
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I agree with Intelligently. I try to die to myself every day and submit to God's will for me. There are some serious things that I have sacrificed. But deep down I know that his way is the only way. I tried it my way and I made a mess of things. There really is no way to go against God's will and win. It won't happen. I learned that the hard way. The good thing is that when you do decide to die to yourself and go his way, things go well for you. He makes all things work for good for those who love (obey) him. Hang in there. Keep the faith.

I read your story and being raised up as a good ol' boy type I cannot wrap my brain around it, that being said I look first to the beam in mine own eye. I will say that my main concern for you is what you have to say about angels as I can assure you they have never saved you in any way and can prove this out in the sc<x>riptures. It worries me when people have this belief because it is very unbiblical and leads to the perversion of bible doctrine. If you ever want to discuss this i would be very happy to. Walk with the King and god bless.

It is your belief that they do not exist. Not all believe the same as you. We can look at not only the various churches on this earth but also the books that have been written by clerics and lay people alike. There are those who believe as you do and those who believe as I do and others as well. Thank you for your interpretation and inputs. I enjoy and learn by reading myself and listening.

Angels absolutely exist that is not what i am saying at all. One could not be a bible believer if one was to say that. My point was their purpose. Angels have never been portrayed in the bible as personal guardians. Every dealing they have had with man has been in Israel's national interest. Today angels are watching what God is doing in this dispensation of grace and like us waiting for the lord's return as they don't know when it will be any more than us. All i am saying is that it puts you in a doctrinal quagmire to think this is the case. Or maybe a different approach to this is why could God not have just saved you in those situations? While it is absolutely fact that angels are used by God in world events it is ver unbiblical to think one is watching over you. Almighty God has your back and He is very capable!!

Thanks for your wonderful story Josie. The first testimony of a transgender christian I have ever seen although I have been looking for one. It is hardly surprising that I had to come to EP to find it. I too believe it is not my place to judge anyone, that is God's job. I am not transgender. I am not perfect either. But in the New Testament I have found a perfect WAY. "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." Matthew 7:12. New International Version (©1984). To be born transgender is not a choice. To love the truth is. Jesus never turned anyone away, although he warned that the powerful, the puritanical, the self righteous and those comfortable in this world would find the way to be the hardest.

It appears as though you sincerely believe that, since we're all sinners, God doesn't care if we practice sin. If that's true, how do you explain the following?

"26 For if we practice sin willfully+ after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth,+ there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,+ 27 but [there is] a certain fearful expectation of judgment+ and [there is] a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition.+

28 Any man that has disregarded the law of Moses dies without compassion, upon the testimony of two or three.+ 29 Of how much more severe a punishment,+ do YOU think, will the man be counted worthy who has trampled+ upon the Son of God and who has esteemed as of ordinary value the blood+ of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has outraged the spirit+ of undeserved kindness with contempt?

30 For we know him that said: “Vengeance is mine; I will recompense”;*+ and again: “Jehovah* will judge his people.”+ 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of [the] living God.+" - Hebrews 10:26-31

You are one of the coolest of all. So glad you enjoy the unmerited favor of God. I hope you find peace in the intimate favor of another.

AMEN ITS STILL HOLINESS OR HELL REPENT AND TURN FROM YOUR WCKED WAYS AND THEN GOD WILL RECIEVE YOU AS HIS SON OR DAUGHTER

It is not possible for one to turn from sin before they are saved as they are still in their natural state which is spiritually dead. Without the baptism of the Holy spirit turning from sin would be impossible. Christ died for all sins because we needed complete redemption. The Lord God almighty did all the work for us or none would be saved.

@Tower

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you got it backwards:

"He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; he that disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him." - John 3:36

“By this we have the knowledge that we have come to know [Jesus], namely, if we continue observing his commandments.” (1 John 2:3)

I believe you Jesus loved everyone especially the downtroden and the ones the Pharasies shuned. He loves everyone not just the "holy rollers". You have to be saved and have a relationship with HIM. I am not one who fits in the mold either. I am a hard core Biker, Metalhead (headbanger), Gearhead, Gun toting, long haired guy you would walk down the street and never think I believe the things I do. GOD is in your heart, he lives in you no matter what you wear, look like, what your ride(drive).Lot's of people have been born in the "wrong" body, ambiguous, or hermoprodite, He loves everyone of for who they are. We are not here to judge others, we are to love everyone for WHO THEY ARE, our society is to wrapped up in all the superficial stuff that in the end doesn't mean a thing. Come on people see the person for who they are not what they look like or wear.

It appears as though you sincerely believe that, since we're all sinners, God doesn't care if we practice sin. If that's true, how do you explain the following?

"26 For if we practice sin willfully+ after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth,+ there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,+ 27 but [there is] a certain fearful expectation of judgment+ and [there is] a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition.+

28 Any man that has disregarded the law of Moses dies without compassion, upon the testimony of two or three.+ 29 Of how much more severe a punishment,+ do YOU think, will the man be counted worthy who has trampled+ upon the Son of God and who has esteemed as of ordinary value the blood+ of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has outraged the spirit+ of undeserved kindness with contempt?

30 For we know him that said: “Vengeance is mine; I will recompense”;*+ and again: “Jehovah* will judge his people.”+ 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of [the] living God.+" - Hebrews 10:26-31

i have the same feelings and covictions

Hi Josie. :-) I just wanted to say that I love reading your story and am so glad you posted this. Your story is very inspirational. I am a blind transexual Christian woman. Was born with Glaucoma that led to my blindness, was also born transexual as well. I love God with all my heart and soul and know that he loves me just the way I am, a loving, caring, patient, kind and God fearing WOMAN!!<br />
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Hugs,<br />
Susan

@Suziech

If you don't mind my asking, does that mean you were born a hemaphrodite?

There is a lot of beauty and truth on this page. Thanks for sharing Josie. :)

Above all things what does God say? Love thy neighbor as thine own self , who are we to judge a man? did we create the man and know what is in his heart? Love covers a multitude of sins, if you disagree with thy brother, pray for your brother, but......<br />
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Luke 6:42<br />
How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.<br />
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Ephesians 4:32<br />
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.<br />
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Matthew 7:12<br />
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So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.<br />
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My point is only this: we can sit here a debate the word of God till the Second coming and guess what? No man is right. No man will ever be right. Only God knows the hearts of men (mankind) He knew us before we were in our mothers wombs, He knows what he is doing and we all have a part to play, so what say we sit and not judge one another together, Want to?<br />
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You would be right in judging a man according to his fruits, not by the way he is, but how he is to you. none are without sin. it's easy to sit back and point fingers when someone comes forth. What secrets do the rest of us have?

You are so wonderful my pretty one!! I know God forgives me, it's me forgiving myself that is soooooo hard!!

Sweety, if God thinks you are worthy, then you should forgive yourself as well. If you do not then that means you are doubting his authority,...let go.Put away the hypocrisies and vain words of all these judging men. YOU ARE WORTHY, we all are.the price for our imperfections has been paid. I Love You. God knows your heart and mindset. Always pray on it. Your answer is there, just be still and listen.:)

What is inside of you is between YOU and GOD and NO OTHER&gt;.

@OldSoul

It appears as though you sincerely believe that, since we're all sinners, God doesn't care if we practice sin. If that's true, how do you explain the following?

"26 For if we practice sin willfully+ after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth,+ there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,+ 27 but [there is] a certain fearful expectation of judgment+ and [there is] a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition.+

28 Any man that has disregarded the law of Moses dies without compassion, upon the testimony of two or three.+ 29 Of how much more severe a punishment,+ do YOU think, will the man be counted worthy who has trampled+ upon the Son of God and who has esteemed as of ordinary value the blood+ of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has outraged the spirit+ of undeserved kindness with contempt?

30 For we know him that said: “Vengeance is mine; I will recompense”;*+ and again: “Jehovah* will judge his people.”+ 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of [the] living God.+" - Hebrews 10:26-31

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GOD did NOT make you "transgender" and saying that HE did is blasphemy. Being "transgender" is a sin, repent and be what GOD made you to be.

Really, are you sure. What about those born with total androgen insensitivity syndrome? Look like girls anatomically, vagina, but no ovaries or uterus. Have XY chomosomes but testosterone has no effect totally insensitive to testosterone. They don't know they have it till puberty and no periods. What testoerone that is produced turns to estrogen since the body can't use it. Breasts grow. What do you call them?????? Are they sinning? They can't be 'boys', mentally they are girls, physically externally they are girls. What say ye oh wise one?!?!

I say on a case by case basis with thorough examinations, it must be determined what sex the person is and then they must live their lives accordingly, not simply 'choose' for themselves, a 'choice' which would nearly always be manipulated by others. Often people like that are mentally retarded and so are more likely to live asexually and less likely to be sexually active anyway (unless they coerced into it) so it is usually a non issue in real life. I would also note that such people are born thus as the result of a defect, not from any form of enhancement. Also those of you that dredge up these absurd "what ifs" do it not because your position is logical but rather because you are highly motivated to justify a very illogical position which you happen to be gambling your souls on.

@Elle

But that isn't Josie's case. was born fully male, not hermaphrodite, and was raised by his mom as a girl. His transsexuality, then, is not nature but pure nurture.

i bleave the same things glad to have you as a friend and sister

hi jose06 read your story , loved your reading about your faith and love for God , remember this God loves all that love him .I can see you have great love for him . we are the way we are and I too dont believe in judging our fellow human being , and Agree that Its God job to lay judgement and not people . If being transgender woman has caused you pain from peoples ignoreance then I feel for you alo I too have a victim of prejudisd for having mental health problems . I have suffered lost friendships , job s ect ect but God is someone that loves you warts and all and he dont care he thinks differently to people he looks at the heart of people and his the best friend you can ever have . For as it saids in the bible he doesnt look at outward appearances like people do but the heart of people what come s out of their mouth . wIsh you many blessings and love also stay strong in your faith and be proud of who you are , I have been ashamed of my mental health problems for too long and Im thinking why should I any more . hugs mishy40

@Mishy

Above all else, I want to say how sorry I am for all you've been put through. I too suffer from a serious mental health issue after almost being killed in a car accident many years ago. I hope you're getting the professional care you need to be as healthy as you possibly can be.

All the best! :)

thank you for that as I thought I was the only one but I am comfortable and know God still loves me even if I am different. he made us all different

its ok to be different we are the way we , and should embrace that and hope and pray we can live in a world we can say who we are gay , trangender or any mental health problem and not be ignored and tossed aside , just being crying and praying to God today about the past pain I had for having a borderline personality disorder cant believe i just said . but not only having it but how nobody would accept the new me and let me fit into society again . I cried and cried I Feel the one friend in my life is GOD who as accepted me for who i am . God loves the heart of the person and saids to love your neighbor these not any conditions added to that . Dont worry about being different for God doesnt . God bless these are my thoughts mishy40

DEAR READERS, THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING BLOG, SOME OF YOU ARE TRYING TO EXCUSE TRANSGENDER OR BEING GAY FOR GOD MADE ME THIS WAY OR I HAVE TO ACCEPT WHO I AM. LETS THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A SECOND. IF YOU WERE TO TAKE ALL OF THE GAY PEOPLE OR TRANSGENDER AND PUT THEM ON AN ISLAND. MEN WITH MEN, WOMEN WITH WOMEN AND EXPECT THEM TO CARRY ON SOCIETY, SOCIETY AND CIVILIZATION WOULD END WITH THAT GENERATION. A BABY CANNOT BE BORN WITHOUT THE 2 OPPOSITE EGGS FROM A MAN AND A WOMAN. SO HOW CAN IT POSSIBLY BE RIGHT FOR SAME SEX TO ENGAGE IN SUCH ACTIVITY. NO MATTER WHAT, THIS IS THE NATURAL CAUSE OF THINGS. NOW SOME OF YOU MIGHT SAY YEAH BUT SOME ANIMALS OR INSECTS HAVE BOTH ORGANS OR CAN BE BOTH. HOWEVER WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS AND WERE MADE HIGHER THAN ALL THE INSECTS AND ANIMALS. THE SAME RULES BETWEEN HUMANS AND ANIMALS DO NOT NECESSARILY APPLY. FOR ALL YOU SCIENTIST STILL TRYING TO PROVE THAT MAN IS FROM APE REMEMBER THE POOR BABY WHO DIED AFTER THE MONKEYS HEART WAS PLACED IN HIM, IF YOU DON'T KNOW LOOK THIS STORY UP. NEXT, LOOK AT THE FACT THAT GOD IS GOD AND HIS RULES ARE ETERNAL. NOW GOD LOVES EACH AND EVERYONE THAT IS A FACT BUT HE IS ALSO A JUDGE AND I'M TELLING YOU NOW HE WILL NOT ACCEPT THE EXCUSE OF OH, I WAS JUST MADE THIS WAY SO I DECIDED TO GO THIS DIRECTION, REMEMBER HE IS THE ONE WHO MADE YOU AND WILL NOT TOLERATE SIN. SIN IS THE REAL REASON WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO IN SOME INSTANCES. SIN IS ALWAYS FRIENDLY FOR IT LETS US LIVE OUT A LUSTFUL FANTASY OR GET A TEMPORARY FIX FOR YOUR FLESH. SIN WILL ALWAYS SLAP FIVES WITH YOU AS LONG AS YOU ARE BUYING THE DRINKS. YET WHEN THE MONEY RUNS OUT AND YOU ATTEMPT TO TURN SIN AWAY IT RALLYS AND GIVES YOU EVERYTHING IT HAS. IN TURN TO CONTINUE IN SIN PEOPLE BEGIN TO LEAVE CHURCH, NOT PRAY AS MUCH, MAKE EXCUSES, SAY DON'T JUDGE ME, FIND WAYS TO MAKE SIN AND GOD WORK (NOT POSSIBLE) BUT THE BIGGEST (LIE) IDEA YET IS THAT GOD IS COMPLETELY HAPPY WITH ME LOVING SOMEONE OF THE SAME SEX. GOD IS ABOVE ALL BUT SOMETIMES HE DOESN'T DIRECTLY INTERVENE AND JUST EXPECTS US AFTER WE HAVE STUDIED OUR HOLY sc<x>riptURE, THE BIBLE, TO MADE GOOD COMMON SENSE CHOICES. COMMON SENSE IS ALSO A BY PRODUCT OF STUDYING YOUR BIBLES WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT SOME OF YOU ARE NOT. SOMETIMES OFF THE TOP WE DO KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG BUT GOD PUT THE OTHER 90 PERCENT IN AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL CALLED THE BIBLE TO GUIDE US FOR LIFE. GOD IS NOT ba<x>seD ON FEELINGS NOR IS FAITH. BOTH ARE ba<x>seD ON TRUTH. THIS FEELS RIGHT OR THIS FEELS GOOD WON'T ALWAYS CUT IT. EVERYTHING IS ba<x>seD ON TRUTH AND LIES. IN LIFE THEIR WILL BE MANY STRUGGLES BUT NONSENSE SHOULDN'T BE ONE. SOMETIMES TRUE CHRISTIANITY DOESN'T ALWAYS FEEL GOOD, IS NOT GLAMOROUS, SEEMS VERY JUDGMENTAL, RUDE, NOT LOVING, TOO STRICT, IMPOSSIBLE. IN COMPUTER TERMS WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR OPERATING SYSTEM WE DON'T NEED A NEW ONE JUST AN UPDATE BY READING AND FOLLOWING OUR BIBLES. OTHERS WE NEED A FRESH INSTALL TO MANY SIN VIRUSES. YET WE ALL NEED TO RESPOND QUICKLY BEFORE WE CRASH. THIS IS THE REAL CONCERN NOT BASHING OTHER PEOPLE OR TRYING TO WIN AN ARGUMENT OVER OTHER CHRISTIANS BUT WE ALL NEED EACH OTHERS SUPPORT LIKE WERE IN A COMPUTER DOMAIN. NOT RUNNING SOMEONES LIFE BUT GIVING SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGEMENT. LASTLY, I AM NO BETTER THAN ANYONE ON THIS BLOG. I FALL INTO SIN AND MAKE MISTAKES LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. JUST ASK FORGIVENESS AND MEAN IT IN YOUR HEART AND TURN AWAY FROM SIN. SO GOD SENT HIS SON JESUS AND SOME OF US BY OUR ACTIONS GIVE HIM BACK. THEIR IS A COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY GOING AROUND TRYING TO RUN ALONGSIDE THE REAL ONE. FRIENDS IF MY FAITH, HOPES AND ALL THAT I CHERISH ARE ba<x>seD ON MAYBES AND WHAT IFS AND LIES MINGLED IN BETWEEN....I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK THE AUTHENTICITY OF MY OPERATING SYSTEM. GOD BLESS YOU ALL, MERRY CHRISTMAS, DON'T LET SATAN FAKE YOU OUT, HELL IS A TERRIBLE PLACE SINCERELY, NOTIUS

You are an idiot. God doesn't make all people this way. He makes a few. That's why Jesus talked about Eunichs who were born that way. Stop being a twit. I was born this way. 35 years if begging God to fix me didn't change that. God loves me just as I am and I love him.

@Kris

Tell me something, how many ex-gays do you know?

@Kris

Also forgot to mention, the eunuchs Jesus referenced were not gay. He was simply speaking of those who, because of some congenital defect, were born emasculated.

Besides, what faithful follower of God is ever spoken of in the Bible as being gay?

Hi Josie, I am in total sympathy with what you say about being a Christian first. I make the same confession. How hard was it to integrate your Christian faith with your tgirl feelings and identity. Whilst I define myself as a follower of Jesus Christ and a cross dresser, I find that most Christians I know think the two are incompatible. Do you attend a church that accepts you as a Christian tgirl? If so you are very fortunate.<br />
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Hugs and xxxx<br />
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Martine

If I may, how many ex-gays and ex-cross dressers do you know?

I understand the appeal of transgender, but I have a tough time understanding the appeal of Christianity.

I don't know where you're from Josie but I'm in Australia and you must have heard my applause from there! Good for you! I'm an ordinary male with no reason to applaud what you have said, other than my conviction that you are quite right.<br />
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What has gone wrong with your body or personality make up while being formed in the womb is not your fault. No sane individual could so much as suggest otherwise. We ingest all sorts of chemicals when eating, and some can unwittingly cause genes to be corrupted in an unborn baby. There was a documentary only last night on our SBS TV network showing research that has proved how the diets generations back are affecting many of the people making up today's population!<br />
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As to the choices you make in life, that's a matter between you and God. None of us "ordinary" individuals can appreciate the pain you must have gone through during adolescence, knowing you were so "different", and needing some form of fulfillment, or emotional ex<x>pression be it through physical contact or otherwise.<br />
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Who can argue with the old saying - Never judge the way an Indian walks until you've walked a mile in his moccasins.

Thing is Josie was born fully male, not hermaphrodite, and was raised by his mom as a girl. His transsexuality, then, is not nature but pure nurture.

Since this thread is still live...I am going to respond to the notion that we have the ability to change ourselves. It's a lie. Listen to the words of John Smid a former leader of Faith in Action which was part of Exodus International where he also worked for 20 years trying to change people from gay to straight... http://www.justout.com/blog/lifestyle/religion/former-exodus-international-leader-repents-of-condemning-gays/<br />
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He wrote:<br />
So often people will say someone needs to “repent” from homosexuality. It is something that actually cannot be repented of! People are, or they are not, homosexual. It is an intrinsic part of their being or personally, my being. One cannot repent of something that is unchangeable. I have gone through a tremendous amount of grief over the many years that I spoke of change, repentance, reorientation and such, when, barring some kind of miracle, none of this can occur with homosexuality… we as Christians pervert the gospel as it relates to homosexuality as though homosexuals aren’t welcome in the kingdom unless they repent (which many interpret to change). But since homosexuality is not “repentable” then we put homosexuals into an impossible bind…<br />
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When we claim a matter isn't debatable we ought to be saying that the harm from the action is so obvious that their is no question. That's easy with things like murder, adultery, stealing, and rape. It's not so easy to say who partnered homosexual is hurting. <br />
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The fact is, I am talking about love, compassion, empathy, and peace...while you are talking about absolutes, judgements, law, undebateable....<br />
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I'm trying to help people overcome their pain and hurt and bridge a gap between people and God with love. <br />
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You claim it's not a matter of debate yet the majority of the US now favors gay marriage and nearly everyone is impacted by LGBT issues in their family. Entire denominations have changed their rules to accommodate even LGBT leaders. States have had their elected officials vote marriage equality into law, judges ruled it into law, etc.<br />
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If that's not something we can debate and ultimately tolerate...what is?<br />
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If the leader of an organization with a mission to help people change who spent a career trying to through their faith isn't testimony enough what will convince your hardened hearts? In other writings, he has said that he knows of no one who is straight now...in all of his time working. No success!<br />
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Yes, some are faithful in marriage to an opposite sex spouse but their attraction is not there. They are left unfulfilled. So many decide after repeated failures that if they can't be fixed it's the religion that is lying...where can he be in that? The faith gets attacked by many.

@Kris

If I may, how many ex-gays do you know?

Since this thread is still live...I am going to respond to the notion that we have the ability to change ourselves. It's a lie. Listen to the words of John Smid a former leader of Faith in Action which was part of Exodus International where he also worked for 20 years trying to change people from gay to straight... http://www.justout.com/blog/lifestyle/religion/former-exodus-international-leader-repents-of-condemning-gays/<br />
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He wrote:<br />
So often people will say someone needs to “repent” from homosexuality. It is something that actually cannot be repented of! People are, or they are not, homosexual. It is an intrinsic part of their being or personally, my being. One cannot repent of something that is unchangeable. I have gone through a tremendous amount of grief over the many years that I spoke of change, repentance, reorientation and such, when, barring some kind of miracle, none of this can occur with homosexuality… we as Christians pervert the gospel as it relates to homosexuality as though homosexuals aren’t welcome in the kingdom unless they repent (which many interpret to change). But since homosexuality is not “repentable” then we put homosexuals into an impossible bind…<br />
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When we claim a matter isn't debatable we ought to be saying that the harm from the action is so obvious that their is no question. That's easy with things like murder, adultery, stealing, and rape. It's not so easy to say who partnered homosexual is hurting. <br />
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The fact is, I am talking about love, compassion, empathy, and peace...while you are talking about absolutes, judgements, law, undebateable....<br />
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I'm trying to help people overcome their pain and hurt and bridge a gap between people and God with love. <br />
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You claim it's not a matter of debate yet the majority of the US now favors gay marriage and nearly everyone is impacted by LGBT issues in their family. Entire denominations have changed their rules to accommodate even LGBT leaders. States have had their elected officials vote marriage equality into law, judges ruled it into law, etc.<br />
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If that's not something we can debate and ultimately tolerate...what is?<br />
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If the leader of an organization with a mission to help people change who spent a career trying to through their faith isn't testimony enough what will convince your hardened hearts? In other writings, he has said that he knows of no one who is straight now...in all of his time working. No success!<br />
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Yes, some are faithful in marriage to an opposite sex spouse but their attraction is not there. They are left unfulfilled. So many decide after repeated failures that if they can't be fixed it's the religion that is lying...where can he be in that? The faith gets attacked by many.

I don't know where you're from Josie but I'm in Australia and you must have heard my applause from there! Good for you! I'm an ordinary male with no reason to applaud what you have said, other than my conviction that you are quite right.<br />
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What has gone wrong as to your make up is not your fault. No sane individual could so much as suggest otherwise. We ingest all sorts of chemicals when eating, and some can unwittingly cause genes to be corrupted in an unborn baby. There was a documentary only last night on our SBS TV network showing research that has proved how the diets generations back are affecting many of the people making up today's population!

I enjoyed reading this

Re Kriss99.<br />
It is not the aim in expressing a view about taking sc<x>ripture out of context to justify a position as a means to change your mind, it is to remind others that to be a whole christian we need the whole bible, if anyone believes that God allowed them to be born for the satisfaction of condemning them worships a different God to the One disclosed in Holy Writ.<br />
You have the right to live in society any way you choose and obviously do just that, i have no right to make a judgment about the world that is the Lords job, but i do have a responsibility to contend for the faith, again your misuse of sc<x>ripture about logs in eyes shows a completely non understanding of the verse, the verse is talking about hypocritical judging.<br />
To say that there is no way out, puts those, that have been changed by the power of Jesus into a position of not telling the truth and a brief search will prove this.

I am ignoring nothing in the Bible. The verses used to condemn LGBT people are simply being misunderstood. The evidence and life experiences point to this.<br />
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You know that Satan uses the very same sc<x>ripture to attack us as we use. He takes it and perverts it so that people whom God loves will be divided, conquered, or condemned.<br />
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God does not do this. <br />
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If you close your eyes to the pain and suffering then you are being willfully ignorant.<br />
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It is just like 1 Timothy 4, forbidding people from marriage and communion.<br />
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It is not the action of a watchman but the action of teachers of the law walking around with logs in your eyes. <br />
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I have employed you to examine the scientific evidence and research. To listen to the testimony of those who are Christuan. To look at the damage to Gods name being done.<br />
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You have nothing except a few verses that could be outright mistranslations and ignore historical context. Everything else points the other direction. Gods whole law is laser focused on LOVE of God and Love for eachother yet you chose to raise obediance as the highest example of love. It's not. All things are permissable but not all things are good.<br />
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Examine the evidence. Look and see the pain. Look. Open your eyes and he will heal you.

1 Corinthians 6:18 -

Φεύγετε τὴν πορνείαν. πᾶν ἁμάρτημα ὁ ἐὰν ποιήσῃ ἄνθρωπος ἐκτὸς τοῦ σώματος ἐστιν· ὁ δὲ πορνεύων εἰς τὸ ἴδιον σῶμα ἁμαρτάνει.

"Flee from fornication. Every other sin that a man may commit is outside his body, but he that practices fornication is sinning against his own body."


Note that this passages uses conjugations of the term πορνεία. What is πορνεία?


The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon

πορνεία
Strong's Number: 4202

Transliterated Word - Porneia - Phonetic Spelling - por-ni'-ah

Definition:

Illicit sexual intercourse -
1.1 adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
1.2 sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
1.3 sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,


As you can see, with a simple understanding of the Koine term πορνεία, it's easy to see what is and is not correct sexual behavior in our Creator's eyes.

Romans 14 is about how we should treat otger believers when we don't agree.<br />
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Did you see the rest of what I had wrote or only the afterthought?

This chapter does include things where there is a certain amount of liberty especially diet and certain days, verse one uses the words doubtful disputations, nevertheless this liberty does not include things expressly forbidden in scripture which includes the subject matter of this post, to use this chapter in Romans as a defence mechanism simply cannot be found in the context of the passage.

I agree, churinga. People often will ignore one part of the Bible that they don't like or that doesn't back up what they want to do while referencing another part of the Bible that does appear to support their case. Unfortunately, this is using the Bible in a very manipulative fashion and is a very dangerous thing to do.

Re Kris99.<br />
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What point are trying to make in relation to Romans:14.?

BTW: Romans 14 is a good guide as to what we should do when we disagree.

Norse,<br />
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We can agree to disagree on this and be loving brothers and sisters to eachother. Your job as a watchman is complete. We fully understand your cause for concern.<br />
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However, because we have different experiences in life we see things very differently. Our experiences review a great perversion in teaching that makes millions upon millions of people who grow up in the faith lose faith. <br />
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In some they truely embrace sexual perversions and a life of sin. Others fall to depression and live in ruin or die at their own hands. Still others believe the perversion in the faith and reject God all together even to the point of attacking him and his word as little more than a fairy tale. Still others accept the perversion in teaching and live their lives hating themselves and waiting on God to change them in the church. <br />
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Very few are able to feel whole and loved by God because to do so they must learn through life experience and as an act of extreme faith that the words in the Bible do not say what so many leaders and watchmen as yourself say.<br />
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This is very hard.<br />
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Even if they do overcome and learn to love themselves and God, they still face Satan attacking their insecurities and doubts often through those that love God and want to do what's right. <br />
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To be happy they must accept who they are. To love God they must know that God loves them, right were they are.<br />
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If it is a sin, then I pray God will change them and me from the inside. It is his power that will change what we can not. What you can not.<br />
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Do you know the serenity prayer? <br />
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This is the prayer we need to be saying on both sides. This is Gods battle to win.

[Ezekiel 33:6] "But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes the life of one of them, that man will be taken away because of his sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for his blood."<br />
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Kris99, we are all appointed as watchmen on the wall. You are also one of those watchmen. We are required to be watchful and sound the alarm when we see danger approaching, but we must do it in love... and that much I have tried. If we fail to do this, then we, the watchmen, will be held accountable. We, the watchmen, will be found just as guilty as those we didn't warn.<br />
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There is a difference between being a proverbial "Pharisee" and a watchman though. <br />
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The "Pharisee" or hypocrite will point out someone else's faults, whether right or wrong, failing to acknowledge or denying his own wrongdoings. The Pharisee is quick to judge and condemn though he is guilty of the same or worse.<br />
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The watchman, on the other hand, does not put on a pretence of righteousness or holiness. He is simply at his post, an ordinary soldier, doing what he is supposed to do. He's standing up on the wall; his faults are plain for all to see and he doesn't try to hide them. Somebody else can shout a warning to him just as he can to them, and he'll listen.<br />
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Another thing I wanted to add in reference to your comments is that there is a spiritual side to this subject that is much taken for granted. There are many references in the Bible that support the presence of a very real spiritual realm that has a significant effect on the physical. <br />
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I personally do not agree with the so-called scientific evidence that support the claim that homosexuality or transgender confusion is a natural phenomenon. I believe that this is caused by demonic manifestation and power, either passed down through the bloodline or through personal actions and involvement of the individual. Child abuse, for example, opens the doorway for demonic oppression and manifestation that causes a person to become homosexual or develop a number of other disorders. <br />
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I am soon going to make a post about "doorways" and demonic manifestations in people's lives from the involvement in seemingly harmless occult activities. For example, doing something as subtle as playing with your horoscope, visiting a fortune teller, meditation, attending a yoga class, etc. can open up a doorway in your life to demonic possession, power and oppression. All these practices are promoted everywhere you go and Satan is using people's ignorance on these matters to his own end. If you search your sc<x>riptures, there are many warnings about this. I will share this in-depth in an upcoming post.<br />
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Many people have been involved in such things and, among other things, find that they get to a point in their walk with the Lord where they grow or mature spiritually no further. They will also begin to lose interest and don't understand why. There are countless more whose minds are bound demonically so that they cannot come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ because of their actions or those of their fathers.<br />
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This is one of many sc<x>riptures that support this.<br />
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[Ephesians 6:12] "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms".<br />
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RoseViolet, I am not denying the fact that I too have faults and there are quite a few things that I need to work on myself. I am far from perfect and I have no problem admitting that.<br />
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Pride. I feel that is a fair point you may have there. I didn't think of myself as proud, but there may or may not be some truth in that. You're the first one I recall telling me that, but you're right, pride is a dangerous one in a Christian's walk. I should be more watchful against that in the future.<br />
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I realize that Josie didn't ask for any help and that she seems confident in the path she is walking. I'm just trying to be a watchman, and so are others who have voiced their concerns here with the backing of sc<x>ripture. I'm not perfect either, but as Christian brothers and sisters, we have a duty to warn each other and lift each other up.<br />
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You are welcome to warn me about anything that you have observed that I am doing wrong. You too are a watchman and Christ has commanded you to warn me if you see me doing something wrong. I feel that it is just as much my duty as a Christian to keep my ears open to correction as it is my duty to obey Christ and warn others where I feel they have transgressed.

Hi Josie,<br />
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I totally know where your story came from, it is the same with me. I have spent time asking "Why me?" as well and I agree with you, after all of the experiences that I have had in my life, I can now say "Why not me!!" right along with you. For we now have the understanding and the knowledge ba<x>se of our own lives to speak up and say that we hear what you are saying but please listen to what I have to say because this was what my experience has taught me.<br />
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We also have the opportunity to help others with their journey no matter how far they are along that road of life and where they are in their transition.<br />
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May God continue to be eternal guide of your life.<br />
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@Liza,

If I may, how many ex-gays and ex-transsexuals do you know?

Kris, I would and have never turned anyone away who was in need. Reminding you of what Gods Word has to say about your choices does not make me a hateful person, nor a judgmental one. Gods Word is clear on these things. If people don't accept His Word on these matters, that is their choice. I cannot be held responsible for the consequences of those choices, but I would indeed be held responsible to God if I did not warn them of the outcome.<br />
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If you saw someone you loved doing a thing that you knew was illegal in the sight of the law and would lead to their imprisonment, you would warn them out of love -- not out of hatred or a desire to make them "feel bad". It is no different in the kingdom of God. I did not write the Bible, so I am not responsible for "pruning" or "punishing" or "rejecting" you. I am only reminding you of what God has to say on these matters and you already know that He says they are unacceptable. <br />
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I hope you can understand that, but if you can't, or simply do not wish to, I won't take offense. Praying for those who we disagree with is probably the very best thing we can do in situations like these so I'm only too happy to pray for you as well, but not that you will "get what's coming to you". Only that the Lords will be made manifest in your life and that you find all the love, happiness and peace that comes along with that.

God bless you Intelligently! I do think you're right, because Jesus said,
Lk. 17:3 "So watch yourselves. 'If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.'"
..this isn't pruning or judging, but rebuking out of love!
If not for Christians like you who told me homosexuality is indeed wrong, I'd still be a slave of it until now. . Thank God! Thank Jesus! . . oh what joy was mine when i God set me free. . . and i will stay in that freedom. ^^

I will pray for you, then. <br />
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Would you like to be the servant who turns away someone God has called at the door to his house?<br />
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If they come and aren't wearing the wedding clothes they will be cast out of the house, but, if you reject them at the door how much greater will your punishment be?<br />
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If someone says they have been invited, accept them in so that you will not be cast out.<br />
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The job of separating the wheat from the tares is Jesus's alone.<br />
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If you must prune the vine then look at the fruit that is being produced. Prune that which is barren or bitter tasting.

Lk. 17:1 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come.
Lk. 17:2 It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied round his neck than for him to cause one of
these little ones to sin.
Lk. 17:3 So watch yourselves. “If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.

kris, she's only doing her job as a Christian to watch after other Christians. . it's not really pruning you away. . .

Kris, when it comes to pleasing God, we can never do it in our own strength. If we could, Jesus sacrifice on the cross was made in vain. The truth is that without Him, none of us can be pleasing to the Lord, regardless of our orientation.<br />
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I can only imagine how difficult sexual or gender related issues can be and it does take boldness to try to publicly reconcile this issue with Christianity considering that God IS very clear on His feelings about it in the Bible, but if you cannot take His Word for it, you'll surely never take mine so it is not my wish to argue with you.<br />
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I believe that Jesus loves and died for ALL. God may hate sin but His heart in exposing it is to heal, to love, to bring peace, and to restore. And this is also my wish for you, Josie and all who have commented here.

Wow Josie!! You've opened up a good one here!<br />
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I'm not sure if I have my thoughts sufficiently gathered on this one to post any kind of a coherent comment.<br />
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But one thing I can say: I too have accepted myself as a transexual woman and with that acceptance came inner peace insofar as my transexuality is no longer an issue. There are other issues that need to be sorted. (Alcoholism being one, though I haven't had a drink in almost a month now) As regards God's role in my being as I am (though I am very much at sea these days as to whether I really believe in His existence, but as a working hypothesis, I will say here that He does exist) if he in his wisdom made me as I am, then why did he play this cruel trick on me and deny me the physique that would have corresponded to my mentality? There are those who would argue that there is nothing wrong with my body, that it's my mind is wrong. But I consider my mind (tiny though it may be!!) to be the very essence of who I am. The body is simply something to live in while I am on this planet. Therefore I am as much a woman as you or any other female, genetic or otherwise, in this world.<br />
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And now, if I can borrow something from Kris (Hope you don't mind Kris)<br />
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'So let me be clear, this gospel is sin. It is against Gods will.<br />
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We can tell this because when children come from a loving Christian home that upholds traditional beliefs they are more likely to commit suicide, have long term health problems (HIV, addictions). Than they are if they come from homes that love, accept, and validate them. '<br />
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I am living testimony to what Kris has said here. And I am not the only one, not by a long chalk. To this day, I admire the faith my late parents had. If I have 10% of the confidence they must have had when they went to meet their maker, I won't be doing bad. They tried to instill that faith in me. Indeed, I was groomed for the priesthood when I was in school. I always knew it wasn't for me. I was the only one who knew that I was an 'abomination onto the Lord'. I kept this knowledge to myself and it festered over the years. My family commented that in later years I would get drunk and fly into a rage that seemed to be directed at myself. Of course it was, but how could I tell them? I was alone, totally unable to reconcile the values and religion instilled in me by a loving family with who I really am. Hence three attempted suicides. (Well...I think they were all only attempted....If I did actually succeed in one of them, you might write and let me know: Is this Heaven or Hell? *grin*)<br />
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So I cogratulate you Josie, and envy you in your reconciliation of your Christian values and your transgenderism. You are an inspiration to everyone here. <br />
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If I may finish on just one point: I suppose strictly speaking I should be addressing this to NorseChief. The not so veiled castigation of your lifestyle that is an inherent part of his comment above leads me to believe that he is guilty of one of the deadly sins; Pride. Let's take an excerpt from his comment;<br />
'People like myself and Intelligently just want to help you. However, we feel that we need to point this out. The Lord will do the rest. ;) '<br />
I don't remember reading in your post that you needed help of any desc<x>ription. In reading it, I was happy for you that you apparently rejoice in both your Christianity and your transgenderism. You finished with: 'This is my spirituality, no one elses. My beliefs.' You made it quite clear that you are not trying to force your sense of spirituality on anyone else. It's yours and yours alone. So why would Norse Chief wish to change you? Is it condescension on his part? Or is his own Christianity built on such a sandy foundation that he feels it must be buttressed by the demeaning of other people's sense of the same when their views don't coincide with his? Perhaps you should bring him out to a TG club some evening and point out that you 'just want to help'. (Oh. and if he accepts the invitation, make sure you have a lovely LBD to put him in)<br />
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I've said it before Josie and I say it again, you are an inspiration to us all. Congratulations and a long (GIRLY) life to you.

If I may, how many ex-gays and ex-transsexuals do you know?

Love is not sacrifice. Love sometimes demands sacrifice but love is no such thing. <br />
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Do not be mislead. <br />
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Where the fruits of the spirit are not found, God is not there.<br />
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Every LGBT Christian I know has tried with all their human strength to play by the 'rules' that have been taught to the living generations (these rules were not always taught). They go through periods of self loathing, regular repentance, frustration, and repeated failure. In none of this will they find the fruits of the spirit because the Lord is not there. It's a false interpretation of the gospel upheld by people who have good intentions but are ultimately blinded to the effects of their intentions. It is the stick in eye trying to remove the speck syndrome that Jesus warned us about.<br />
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So let me be clear, this gospel is sin. It is against Gods will.<br />
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We can tell this because when children come from a loving Christian home that upholds traditional beliefs they are more likely to commit suicide, have long term health problems (HIV, addictions). Than they are if they come from homes that love, accept, and validate them. <br />
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It is a message that kills. <br />
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It is also a message that makes hundreds of millions of people hate God. For Satan, this is a good message...but it is utterly against God.<br />
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As good Christians who love God and want to serve him fully you absolutely must love him enough to examine the evidence and scientific research that is accumulating on this topic. You absolutely must enter into a genuine conversation with LGBT Christians who love and seek God first but can not deny how they are made.<br />
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You absolutely must re-read the sc<x>ripture in light of the evidence.<br />
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When love doesn't feel like love, it's not love.<br />
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I understand you have nothing but good intentions. Consider the prophecy in 1 Timothy 4 now! <br />
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If a young widow in 1 Tim 5 would sin and follow Satan because of her need to be loved...do you really think any LGBT person wouldn't do the same?<br />
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I don't know all the answers but I know that the 'traditional' view is wrong. I am coming out as Christine now because God broke me, renamed me, and told me to be a witness to people that have become lost because you just don't know any better.<br />
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Apply the filter of the fruits of the spirit and have your eyes open. Every good thing comes from God and every bad thing is from the deceiver. He has always twisted Gods word and used it against his people. <br />
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The 'church' has been decrying the high suicide rates, addictions, and risky (sin filled) behavior as evidence of sin and they are right but it is there sin that it is evidence of! Otherwise the repent and be saved route would get better results than the love and acceptance route. <br />
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NOM recently had a defection...see what he said. Look at the people that have come out of the ex-gay movement. Look. Dig. Learn the truth.<br />
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We know it because we are LGBT Christians and know our hearts to the Lord. When you accuse us of rejecting sc<x>ripture you ARE bearing false witness against us and we know this because we talk with him every day.<br />
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You have NO idea how much faith it takes to come out and bear witness to Gods love as LGBT Christians who have for so many years been subject to persecution, treated as pariah, accused of all sorts of sins falsely (trans!=rapist in bathroom, gay!=*********), and yes...rejected when we want to marry our loved ones as God expects of us. It takes faith, courage, and conviction to hang on that cross so that the next generation might not have to. Praise God for those few bold enough to have done it before us!

Congratulations Kris!!...Well said!

I stand by everything Intelligently said there 100%.<br />
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I'd like to add to her comment if I could.<br />
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The important thing, Josie, is that you believe in the Lord and that you feel that He is working in your life. I do believe there is room for grace. Just keep trusting in the Lord and believing in Him. Don't become complacent with how you are, but continue to ask the Lord to guide you and change you.<br />
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Intelligently is right, the Bible does make it very clear that transexuality is sinful. But neither myself or anyone else is in a position to judge you. The Lord understands your position. He is a discerner of your heart. If transexuality comes "naturally" to you for whatever reason and you find it difficult or impossible to change, the best thing you can do is continue to trust in the Lord and believe in Him. He will guide you and transform you gradually into that person He wants you to be. <br />
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Don't be discouraged. Just continue to believe and allow the Lord to change you and be willing to change as He guides you.<br />
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The Lord loves you just how you are and He wants to help you. You don't need to be ashamed in front of the Lord. Just come to Him as you are and He will accept you and change you. <br />
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People like myself and Intelligently just want to help you. However, we feel that we need to point this out. The Lord will do the rest. ;) <br />
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God bless. ;)

Dear Jose,<br />
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I'm not here to "judge" you. I've read your story and I've tried putting myself in your shoes so as to understand your perspective. <br />
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I believe that God is clear about His feelings towards human sexuality and gender roles. As Christians, we do not get to choose these things for ourselves. One of the tenants of being a faithful Christian is not merely our belief in Christ or our acceptance of His forgiveness, but it involves a repentance -- a turning away from the things that grieve his heart.<br />
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I will not say that you don't love the Lord or that He doesn't love you more than your wildest imagination could tell. But I will say that each Christian has a responsibility to let -ourselves- lessen so that He can increase. To quote the verse specifically, "He must increase, but I [must] decrease." - John 3:30<br />
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There is no such thing as self centered Christianity. Christianity is Christ focused, not "me" focused, so as we seek to give our utmost for HIS highest, we have to be willing to sacrifice ourselves for Him just as He made the ultimate sacrifice for us. He did so WILLINGLY and that willingness came out of love.<br />
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So when it comes to things that the Bible clearly cautions us away from, it's not a matter of whether or not we feel ourselves to be "devout" or "good" or "loving of the Lord". But it boils down to this simple question: <br />
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Who do you love more? Your self.. or your God? <br />
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There can only be one answer to that question. And each one of us has our own "cross" to bear. God never said he would "take something away from us" if He found it displeasing. But He did say that He would give us new graces every morning to (against all odds!) turn away from our sin WILLFULLY and live our lives in a way that is pleasing to Him, even if it isn't what we feel would make -us- happiest.<br />
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"Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities." - Isaiah 43:24<br />
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God is not some "lofty idea". He is very real and He is Holy. We dare not mold Him around our sin so that we can have the sin and have God as well. When we do try to make Him complicite in our iniquity, we are only fooling ourselves. <br />
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Love is a sacrifice. It always has been.. and you will sacrifice most to the one you love the most.<br />
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Let that One be Jesus..

I agree. We'll all always be sinners, at least til Jesus returns. It's great to accept oneself with honesty... but there are some things that we shouldn't indulge in, if we want to do our best to follow God.

Myself, I had to learn to curb my opportunistic streak. As a child, it often turned me into a petty thief. Now I embrace it as something that's generally a good thing, and a part of myself I can't get rid of. But I also learned self-control so I'm not picking the pockets of everyone on the street ;P

Well said, firefly. If we must err, we should err on the side of Holiness.. not on the side of self. I hope and pray that those who read my comment interpret it that way as I don't view the sin of another as any less "sinful" than my own personal issues. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.. but just as Jesus chose to do the will of the Father, even to a horrible death on the cross, so must we be willing to deny ourselves and pick up our crosses and follow *him*... not our own desires.

I'm glad you pointed that out, Intelligently. There is a difference between erring to self and erring to holiness. Sexual matters are always a matter of self, and to err in that regard is to err to self. That means that one who is sinning in that way is serving one's self. Once again, nobody is trying to judge here. It is important that the truth of God's Word is pointed out. There is no room for compromise. I stand corrected about my previous comment. Yes, there is grace and yes, the Lord does work in our lives and He does help us change. But we cannot wilfully sin and blatantly disregard what God's Word says on this matter. I stand corrected if I implied that sexual sin is something that one sometimes cannot help. That is something that we should be willing to sacrifice if we are serious about serving the Lord. What I should have said instead is that we should trust in the Lord to help us not only change, but to take away our sinful desires and ask Him to give us new desires.

AMEN AMEN GOD TILL IS REQUIRING HIS CHILDREN 2 LIVE HOLY LIVES

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the prayers, the bargining, the giving it over to God. Done all that and yet these desires remain. Why! Do I not have enough faith! Anger, lots of anger. Why the prayer to be 'normal' is met with a 'No'. The pain to myself I can handle, its the pain that it would cause others that I can't handle. I would have been happier born a woman, but I wasn't, and nor can I achieve that now. I just hope for an answer one day as to why and what purpose all this served.

Oh Elle, who's to say what is normal in God's eyes? He knows your afflictions and is not going to condemn you for them. He Created you and loves you no less than any of his children. Some people have obvious tribulations, others are behind closed doors. Only God knows the Hearts of men and where your love resides...He knows what you go through, he has an intended purpose for each of us,..stay strong and in Faith... God;s wrath is not set against those who love him. xxoo Knoa

God blessed you and your family. He gave you the strength and resolve of a king and the compassion and loyalty of a fairy maiden. You are perfect to him and perfect to your family and perfect to me. Have faith that God does not make mistakes, that you are not an accident. You do not need to be repaired. Pray only that God can guide you to use your unique gifts that he so generously gave you in a way that is a blessing to others. I too would have been happier born any other way. This life we live is very difficult. But it is not my life, it is His. The little bit of control I have over it is not always up to potential but my heart is in the right place and I just trust that God knows best for me. God knows best for you too Elle. Trust that he made you perfectly, just as he decided he would, and pray that you are enlightened to know his plan with you.

Oh my dear, you are such a wonder! Thank you for those wise words!!

listen dear im not here 2 judge you but ive been where you are at but i was struggling with something diff but it doesnt matter wat SIN you are struggling with GOD IS ABLE but you are the problem you say da desire is still there its becuz you havent totally submitted that thing 2 GOD cuz my GOD is powerful and mighty theres not nothing 2 hard for him

@Elle

If I may, how many ex-gays and ex-transsexuals do you know?

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People don't take the time to step back and see True Christianity...I'm not talking about man made religion...I'm talking about the faithful followers of Christ,,after His teachings... Relogion has no place in Christianity,..In my opinion....It gives the True believers a bad name by lumping them all together with the hypocrites and the judges and the idle gossipers who only go to church so that they may be seen,,<br />
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Christianity is a reality, a way of life,..not Sunday service,...Pardon my little rant..:) xxoo Knoa

:) you have a good and kind soul.

What a great story to tell.Thank you for part of your testimony Josie

OMG lol and i thought i was the only one...... being a jehovah's wittness is a rather tricky situation..... so i am a male in the hall, but the rest is female thought..... your story is one that if i could have written anything it would have been that. any way it's nice to know that we are not alone

I can't believe I just saw this now. <br />
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I am so glad you are my sister.<br />
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I know that AHA moment too. <br />
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I went from fighting who I am to an acceptance.

Hi, Josie. I am Christian and transgender. I've never been happier.Thank you for sharing your story.