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I'm a Christian Who Happens to Be Transgender

i am a Christian who also happens to be transgender. Not the other way around.

A christian who also happens to be a transexual woman.

i know and feel the presence of God in my life everyday.

As any who read my stories you will readily see that i am not perfect. i am learning and growing every day. Hopefully for the better.

i don't believe that it is my place to judge anyone. That is God's job at some point in every ones life. Although some people make this belief hard for me at times.

i do have my convictions on this subject but will not and would not expect all to understand or agree with.

i believe God through his angles has saved me many many times over the years.

i believe Jesus is my savior and that God is loving, gracious, forgiving, and always there to greet me with open arms. God leads and Jesus paid the price for me.

i never gave up on God cause he never gives up on me. Maybe he helped me to my epiphany, my 'Ah Ha Moment' when my internal war ended and i accepted myself.

God made me, for what ever reason he made me this way, a transexual woman.

Why me? i don't know.

However God has a plan for me and for everyone. We are who we are for that reason.

So maybe it would be more true to say, Why not me?

And after all i'm not done yet. He is still guiding me to fulfill his plan.

This is my spirituality, no one elses. My beliefs.

Josie06 Josie06 56-60, F 100 Responses Feb 4, 2009

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“They refuse any form of violence and without rebelling put up with the many trials inflicted on them because of their beliefs . . . How different the world would be if we all woke up one morning firmly decided not to take up arms again, whatever the cost or the reason, just like Jehovah’s Witnesses!” - “Andare Alle Genti”

Your nasty little diatribe is neither logical or reasonable seotelkniwt. Neither is your theology sound. You have chosen verses from the Bible to suit your own narrow minded ignorance and prejudice. It is pointless quoting the New Testament unless you accept the fundamental premise that no man by his own effort is able to keep to the law of God and there is no salvation except by Grace, something which you are sadly lacking.

It appears you are under the impression that salvation is something of a free ride, however, is that what Jesus actually taught?

"“Lord, are those who are being saved few?” He said to them: “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell YOU, will seek to get in but will not be able, when once the householder has got up and locked the door, and YOU start to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Sir, open to us.’ But in answer he will say to YOU, ‘I do not know where YOU are from.’ Then YOU will start saying, ‘We ate and drank in front of you, and you taught in our broad ways.’ But he will speak and say to YOU, ‘I do not know where YOU are from. Get away from me, a ll YOU workers of unrighteousness!’" - Luke 13:22-27

maxximiliann is it a 'work of unrighteousness' if I get my teeth straightened or have some removed in order that I can chew or close my jaw properly? So then why do you think it is the crime of the century for me to realign my adult body with my birth certificate? From my poring over the New Testament it seems that Jesus was much harder on the law makers than on the lepers.

@Will

Nothing wrong at all. In fact, it's commendable! Like you there are a multitude of ex-gays and ex-transsexuals who have gone back to the lifestyles in accordance with the gender that describes them in their birth certificate.

It's when man goes against God's intended purpose that grievous and even fatal problems arise, e. g. horrific STDs like AIDS.

maxximiliann nobody seems to fully understand the processes that trigger the growth of our gender at various stages of our development. I do not blame god. Not much in this world is perfect and nature does seem to make mistakes sometimes. Nobody can change the gender that was recorded on their birth certificate but they can with medical and surgical assistance have limited control over the plumbing, hormones and shape of their adult body. Life is more livable with a body that is fully aligned with one gender but nature alone is not always this generous and society can be cruel in it's judgements. Back to my poring over the new testament if I may. Those born blind lived to see miracles but those born with natural sight who supposed themselves to be righteous by virtue of their birth and education did not see the turning point in the Greco Roman world that happened on their watch. There was a special place in Jesus' heart for those rejected by others for moral or social reasons. He was a complete unknown to the authorities but he changed the world forever. If we disparage those he loved and accepted, what does that say about us?

@Will

I. Hermaphrodites are extraordinarily rare and, more importantly, Josie was not born a hermaphrodite. His mother was so obsessed with having a girl that she raised him as such thereby altering his natural sexual identity. In other words, it was pure nurture, not nature.


II. Did Christ turn a blind eye or accept hardened sinners such as the Scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees?

You may have information to the contrary maxximiliann but I was responding to Josie's own account in the story above: "God made me, for what ever reason he made me this way, a transexual woman," and "I know and feel the presence of God in my life everyday" elsewhere in the same story. I do not feel the same urgency as yourself to identify an exact cause because I know that little in this world is perfect and I am not keen to assign 'blame'. I think your reference to hardened sinners is an unwarranted presumption. I accept Josie's profession of faith in Christ as genuine. I have no problem with Jesus either. But the fan club bothers me a bit.

@Will

I. When you get around to going through his other stories you'll realize that is all nurture, not nature.

II. Do the Scriptures teach that a sincere profession of faith is all we need or is there more involved?

"You believe there is one God, do you?+ You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder.*+ 20 But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith apart from works is inactive? 21 Was not Abraham our father+ declared righteous by works after he had offered up Isaac his son upon the altar?+ 22 You behold that [his] faith worked along with his works and by [his] works [his] faith was perfected,+ 23 and the scripture was fulfilled which says: “Abraham put faith in Jehovah,* and it was counted to him as righteousness,”+ and he came to be called “Jehovah’s* friend.”+
24 YOU see that a man is to be declared righteous+ by works,+ and not by faith alone.+ 25 In the same manner was not also Ra′hab+ the harlot declared righteous by works, after she had received the messengers hospitably and sent them out by another way?+ 26 Indeed, as the body without spirit* is dead,+ so also faith without works is dead.+" - James 2:19-25

"He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; he that disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him." - John 3:36

Very good point will999.

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Re seotelniwt.
Interesting that a Jehovahs witness would comment here, JWs are not Christians as they believe in a different Jesus and a different Gospel according to the Bible and would be wise to familiarise themselves with Galatians 1:8,9

First of all let me set the record straight, Jehovah's Witnesses are christians and the "perfecter of our faith" is Jesus Christ. We try hard, and only with God's help, to follow Jesus fine example of preaching the Gospel of the Good News about God's Kingdom, a heavenly based World Government, that will bring countless blessings to obedient mankind in the very near future. We, Jehovah's Witnesses preach and teach where the people are, and that includes the internet. We are everywhere on this planet earth and even in areas where nobody would have thought of. Soooo it should not be a suprise or a "shock and awe" situation with you because you read comments coming from Jehovah's Witnesses.

Once again individuals like yourself have misapplied, misinterpreted, and misquoted such scriptures like Galations 1:8,9 to Jehovah's Witnesses. We definitely agree with those two verses also....however, because we do not go along with the God dishonoring falsehoods that the vast majority of Christedom, or other segments of false religion have attributed to God and Jesus Christ, you mistakenly claim that we are teaching a different Gospel and the Jesus Christ we follow is different from the Jesus Christ in the Bible? Do you truly and honestly know what you are saying???? Have you truly and honestly compared what Jehovah's Witnesses do and practice in light of the Bible? Has your mind and heart been so clouded with prejudices against Jehovah's Witnesses that you refuse to check out or investigate for yourself any false allegations against us? Or do you blindly take someone elses word?
The old saying applicable in this case: "Get it from the horses mouth". To illustrate: If I wanted to join the Baptist faith and needed to get details on the background, beliefs and teachings of the Baptist faith, would I go to a person of the Catholic faith to get information? What if I wanted to join a Pentecostal faith, would I go to a person Of the Muslim faith to get the history, background, beliefs, activities of a person who is Pentecostal? Or vice versa. Of course not. I would go to person who practices the faith of my choice to accurate information. Anything outside of that would would be sprinkled with inacuracies.

Jehovah's Witnesses preach and teach according to the command and pattern set out for us at Acts 20,21. Jesus sent his disciples out by twos and we follow that pattern as well (Luke 10:1). We preach according to God's Word, no more, no less.

There is a ton of negative information on Jehovah's Witnesses from all sectors of society and we recognize that. We have nothing to hide; as a matter of fact we expect it living in a world ruled by Satan and his demons (John 12:31; John 14:30; John 16:11; 2nd Timothy 3:12 and 1st Peter 4:1-4).

Yes, whether individuals like it or not, the truth in God's Word will stand and cannot be changed or altered...it's divine sayings will always prevail. His Word is against immoral ungodly unions such as transgenderism and the like and no amount of legislation or paper will make acceptable in God's eyes.

But remember, change is possible: 1st Corinthians 6:9-11, particularly verse 11 says that one CAN change and repent of their immoral degrading way of life...thus coming into an approved state or condition with God.

Obviously Josie06 is not a Jehovah's Witness. A person born with no clear gender identity does not fit anywhere. With medical and surgical help it is possible to find a place one way or the other EXCEPT with Jehovah's Witnesses. Why not practice what you preach seotelkniwt. As you yourself say "Get it from the horses mouth". Being transgender is not a choice. It is part of the solution. The other part is open mindedness, something you will NEVER GET from a Jehovah's Witness. It is YOU who are full of prejudice seotelkniwt.

will999, sometimes the truth hurts, it cuts and can be very difficult to swallow or accept, let alone digest...but if one's heart is upright according to God's standards, not mine, not yours or anybody's, then they will feel better later after thinking things out. Even sympathizers of a cause, or sympathizers of others, like yourself can become angry, emotional, and adversely affected and that's understandable....I too am an advocate for the "underdogs" of the world and the snotty nosed kid that everyone picks on; only I go about helping them in another way, with encouragement from God's Word, the truth.

I am not in the business of enabling or encouraging those to continue in their immoral way of life or actions (of which these ones, transexuals and transgenders can work hard if they really wanted to, at suppressing their feelings of being of another gender besides their own. First, an individual has to realize that it is wrong. I don't doubt that at times there is a conflict within their flesh, but nothing is impossible for Jehovah when it comes to giving a person the inner strength to resist immoral urges and actions. I don't give out baby taps on one's wrisk so to speak when something more firmer is needed. I want to "be free of the blood of all men (persons). If a person is born a man and he is more physically of the male species, yet he feels in his heart that he is a woman in a man's body or vice versa with a person born a woman, yet she feels that she's a man in a woman's body....Those feelings with God's help and His Word can assist a person to be what they physically were born to be.
The changing trends of sexual gender is being blurred more and more many are coming out the closet in defiance of scriptural norms and standards....these trends are shaped by societies dictations. And so as a result many are confused either by a permissible liberal environment or by their inner real feelings of wanting to be with the same sexual gender that they are.

Ask yourself this will999: Do you really have (her) best interest at heart morally and spiritually? Are you helping her by saying in so many words: "Now, now there josieo6 (or anybody for that matter), that mean ole' nasty person is bad, don't listen to her/him. It will be alright!" Really then you are actually hurting her sinstead of helping that person.

To illustrate: What if you were not paying attention or was distracted while crossing the street; unaware that a 16 wheeler rig is barreling down toward you. Would you preferr someone to say in a very low tone or whisper while yawning: "Hey there, watch out (pause), you're about to step in front of a truck." Or, would you prefer someone who warns you by yelling, screaming, jumping up and down or maybe even tackling you down to the ground to get your attention and help save your life. I think the answer is pretty obvious.
A real true friend or someone who has your best interest at heart will tell you what you need to hear and not what you want to hear

I do not like your nasty little religion seotelkniwt. I will not block you so as not to invoke the bleeding martyr in you which you may perversely enjoy. I simply will not talk to you again unless I see less smug self satisfaction. JW's as a movement have very little to be proud of. The smart ones learn to think for themselves and get away.

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The simple definition of a christian----A follower of Jesus Christ who tries to the best of their abilities, without excuses, to imitate Jesus' example. And as Luke 9:23 states in part that a follower of Christ would "pick up his torture stake day after day and follow me (Jesus) continually", without reservations or without following the line of least resistance.Please, do not attribute or blame God for the way you are or for making you that way....that assumption is millions of light years away from the truth. God has set standards for true christians to follow. These godly standards steady, anchor, and shore up a christian while the world daily disintegrates and lowers it's standards, principles, and morals.Jesus never taught his followers to engage in alternative life styles or gave them options to choose the way they wanted to live without any regard for his heavenly Father's commandments and principles. Being transexual is unnatural....it is a filthy practice that defiles the body and is condemned in the sc<x>riptures: Many who want to set the tone for their ungodly way of living ignore God's Word and pick and choose what suits them. I cannot sugar coat that fact and reality, it is what it is. Are you familiar with what God's Word says about your being a transgender?....If you truly love God you will be very interested in these words in the Bible book of Romans 1: 24-27 which says: "Therefore God, in keeping with the desires of their hearts, gave them up to uncleanness, that their bodies might be dishonored among them, even those who exchanged the truth of God for the lie......That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their FEMALES changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature, and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, (FEMALES WITH FEMALES), working what if obscene and recieving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error." That sounds very serious. It sounds like God definitely does not approve of the way you are living when it comes to living a transgender life or your approving views on the mattter.Now don't get me wrong God loves people in general; it's just their ungodly lifestyles, thinking, and practices that He abhors. As a matter of fact He sent and allowed His Son Jesus Christ to die for us so that we would have the possibility of having a bright bright future, a good and close relationship with Him (God) and so that we would know how to walk in God's ways, not mans' way. Jesus coming to earth and dying for us accomplished this and much more.As you made mention in your introduction message, that it is not your place or anyone elses place to judge someone else and you are absolutely correct. That is why I use God's Word to back up or cosign what it is I'm saying to others. Please, remember: Just because the world of mankind has bejeweled the detestable practices that Jehovah God thoroughly hates, does'nt make it right or okay or acceptable to God because His beneficial standards never change (Malachi 3:6).My question to you is this: If you truly are a follower of the Christ and obeying what God says or outlines in His Word for true christians, which Christ Jesus certainly did; why are you still transgendering before the eyes of God who sees all things, good and bad and who hates such a detestable practice?

Your nasty little diatribe is neither logical or reasonable seotelkniwt. Neither is your theology sound. You have chosen verses from the Bible to suit your own narrow minded ignorance and prejudice. It is pointless quoting the New Testament unless you accept the fundamental premise that no man by his own effort is able to keep to the law of God and there is no salvation except by Grace, something which you are sadly lacking.

1 Corinthians 6:18 -

Φεύγετε τὴν πορνείαν. πᾶν ἁμάρτημα ὁ ἐὰν ποιήσῃ ἄνθρωπος ἐκτὸς τοῦ σώματος ἐστιν· ὁ δὲ πορνεύων εἰς τὸ ἴδιον σῶμα ἁμαρτάνει.

"Flee from fornication. Every other sin that a man may commit is outside his body, but he that practices fornication is sinning against his own body."


Note that this passages uses conjugations of the term πορνεία. What is πορνεία?


The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon

πορνεία
Strong's Number: 4202

Transliterated Word - Porneia - Phonetic Spelling - por-ni'-ah

Definition:

Illicit sexual intercourse -
1.1 adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
1.2 sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
1.3 sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,


As you can see, with a simple understanding of the Koine term πορνεία, it's easy to see what is and is not correct sexual behavior in our Creator's eyes.

So many Christians forget to love one another. i am happy you show Jesus and God through your walk. some talk the talk but have no walk. Continue your walk with The Lord.
May God always bless you and May you always feel His love and grace in all times for you.

I can relate! That story sounds much like my own life experiences. I also appreciate anyone who knows that God's name and Jesus' name are capitalized. It seems that some of the bible thumpers in society fail to realize this. May God bless you all.

Am a Christian also I can relate to you

Cheers! i am a Christian too <3

"However God has a plan for me and for everyone. We are who we are for that reason."

Completely true, it's about relationship not religion. Any Christian telling you that you're going to "hell" is a hypocrite, because Matthew 7:1 said not to do that.

YAH BLESS.

If you accepted Christ into your life, then you are a Christian. No one can deny you that. Many will try, and it is their bigotry in this that will fail them for all eternity. I am not a church going person and only connect as being Christian as I was raised in a some what Christian home so it is what is familiar. I have an understanding of the forgiveness of Christ and love many of his teachings. I have no doubt that Christ walks with you. Something no one has the right to take from you, or condemn you for. Whether you are transgender, gay straight or Natalie Wood Jesus or what ever god you have faith in loves you and as only as god can of gods creations. Never let another person put you down for being who you are, for they know not what they do.

Very well said. Amen

Thank you Buffy!

It's easy to say "I accept Christ Jesus in my life" those are just words and saying them does'nt make an individual a christian. Serious changes in a person's life have to be made, changes that please God and not ourselves. Becoming a true christian requires one to manifest or have a strong desire to dedicate his/her life to God unconditionally with no strings attached.

I have seen and heard of persons who say they accepted God and Jesus Christ, but their lifestyle, speech, thinking, views don't match up, or line up with the never-changing standards of God's Word (Malachi 3:6; Titus 1:16). So admitting that one has accepted God and Christ Jesus in their lives does'nt mean a thing if serious personality changes and ungodly vices that displease God are not made according to God's will and purpose (Colossians 3: 5-11).

YOUR Quoting Man and your validation is that these writings by man were inspired by "God". Again your faith is your own, I have no right to diminish that which you believe least I be diminishing myself. I can not be told that I am wrong any more then I can tell you that you are wrong faith only wrong in your practice, (I harm no one in mine so don't bother going there). This is why you need to keep your earthly improvisations to yourself. As you have no more answers then I. Let us keep our focus on things that are really important, like Children who go unloved and abuse because of their inner desires to be something society and "Your followers tell them then can not be in "gods world". Let's start to love each other as you say your god wants and expects us to. Let's forgive others of their trespasses as we desire not to be trespassed against. Do not quote me mans bible and tell me that I am wrong because of it. As you are trespassing into a world you have no understanding and because of this lack of understanding you condemn me with not even your own words but words you blindly and slantingly follow. No better then any other person who has used their "religion" to condemn which they value and use to justify atrocities imposed on their fellow man.

No we are not quoting from a mans' book. If we are, which we aren't, why do you enjoy reading from it the teachings of Jesus if it , the Bible is composed of mans' writings and thoughts? :)

Because is has some valuable analogies to living a full and prosperous life. The references to the demons and sin are just synonymous to the ramifications that actually happen to you or those around you when you aren't responsible for your life and those around you. They have little to do with the Heaven or Hell you may elude to, or the "Jesus" you speak of. Man through out history benefits from "stories" these are mans stories from ancient times.. it's time we write some new stories that will benefit and address (with out hate and condemnation) the issues we face in today's world. I get what the authors of the Bible were attempting in that day and age, and it was good. But it is no longer good when it leads people to hate. Which of resent it has been used for.

Obviously you are trying to put a 12 by 16 inch rectangle inside a circle with a circumference of 6 inches, Your assumptions, presumptions and assertations don't fit or make since. Sadly, you truly do not know what the Bible really teaches and for that reason I pity you and I cannot feel remorse, dislike, or hatred toward you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you said your were raised in church as a young child and but never pursued it in your adulthood. Yet, even so God holds us responsible for getting to know him on a personal basis.

I don't want nor need your pity. No I'm not a bible scholar, I have never made that claim nor would I. I will go so far that I have bias against the bible because of people like you demanding it is the word of god. If I were to be so read in it, and in being so turns me into a authoritarian control freak as the way your words make you appear, I want nothing to do with it. I will say this again again and again. The bible is mans creation. Inspired to create dogma used to control the masses. Yes aspects of it are very much joys and inspirations that people can and should live by for a more healthy life of goodness. But your admonishing people for their belief system because it doesn't meet your strict interpretations is a large aspect of the many reasons religions have been at the root cause of the pain and suffering in this world. And why many wrongly reject all religion. There is nothing you can say or do to put me asunder as I have "god" in my life, "I am Christian", (because I was raised this way) The joys in being Christian are familiar to me in the same way a Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim find joy in their familiarity. You will not and have no right in telling me others anything different. If I am in err, then god will be the only entity fit to show me my wrongs, not you or people like you. I live a good and healthy life to the best of my ability, I will help my neighbor when I can. I reject and I do not need people like you condemning my faith or value in life because of who or what I am. Take your bigotry else where and allow others their trespasses as Jesus taught. Your ability to use verse does not make you perfect or any better then anyone. In fact your speak shows everyone that you have no compassion or sympathy in your heart, only rules and edicts. Nor are you gods conduit, nor are you wise. As it is a wise man who understands there are many interpretations and lives to best "himself" and to attempt his own perfection and not adjust the perfections of others.

You say you have "god" in your life? Which one do you serve and worship? Remember, Satan the Devil is a god (lower case letter g) as the scriptures point out at: John 12:31; John 14:30; and John 16:1, as well as 2nd Corinthians 4:4. Did you notice that verse four uses the lower case "g", to refer to Satan as a "god". That's why I raised the question, 'which "god" do you worship?' I serve and worship only one true God. My God's personal name that He has given Himself is Jehovah and His name is specifically found in the Bible at Psalms 83:18; Exodus 6:3; Isaiah 42:8; and Isaiah 54:5 KJV......
God is not miraculously speaking out of the heavens, to show persons like you and myself the wrongs and rights that we are doing in our lives because He uses the ultimate Guide, His Word the Bible to do so. Whether or not you accept the cold hard facts and reality that the Bible is NOT a man's book is your business and choice. But rest assured that there will be an accounting of those who reject it, God's Word, by belittling and demeaning it's Author and contents therein.

I have last comment to you, as I see people like you more harmful then this Devil you claim lay waiting for anyone who is questioning. That comment is simple, "You are a Religious Zealot!", And you use the redundancy of your book (which was written by man) to justify your interpretations. You have only dogma to convey your message, and you devalue anyone that disagrees with your faith and with claims they are ignorant of the word of god, at risk of being tools of the Devil.. Let me enlighten you a little. My god loves all it's creations and has created this miracle that we call life. Your devil is a construct used to manipulate the weak of mind. I believe my god to be in all aspects of the reality we see and the reality we are incapable of seeing. I believe your Devil lives in the hearts and minds of people who wish to diminish others with claims of blasphemy, (a typically weak minded argument of a person blinded by their faith and ignorant of the many more aspects of life. My god does not condemn, my god creates, my god created you and I in my gods image, my god is male my god is female, my god is the grass my god is the sky, my god love you as equally as my god loves me. my god has no devil it has repercussions for the actions a person takes against another. my god lives in a house that allows all to live and be part of the goings on. my god lives in the hearts and minds of people who see goodness in the world and can recognize bad, not as the work ot a devil, but of the doings of a person misguided by hate. My god looks at people who make absolute claims about an interpretation of man as being the word of god a great but imperfect attempt to live godly. my gods son, the profit saw the goodness of all and was persecuted and punished because of evil people and political gain. His death on the cross is a reminder that we are all filled with sin and with that sin capable of doing harm to ourselves or others. His willingness to forgive us was his words that spoke of the ignorance and that he can forgive ignorance. Just as I forgive you for lashing out against those you do not believe to be godly or Christian, because they do not follow your (man written) dogma! So I have said my piece to which I am quite sure that you will come back with more of your :"mans words" to justify your demeanor posture and position. And that is all you will have is yourself alienating yourself from the rest of the world. God bless you, and I forgive you as you know no what you speak, (as I said you keep reiterating mans word). I can speak for many souls who have been persecuted because of people like you and those that take your interpretations of the book written by man to the extreme. So how does it feel having the blood of those persecuted by followers of your book on your hands?

Give it up! your a zealot period! do yourself a favor and take a moment to pontificate on your blindness and ask your self why to proselytize your church is so profitable? And then reflect on all the harm it's done to humanity and those who fall outside of it's doctrine and then talk to me about who is this Devil!

And Just for giggles

Who Wrote the Bible - Evidence of Divine Inspiration
“Who wrote the Bible” is a question that can be definitively answered by examining the biblical texts in light of the external evidences that supports its claims. 2 Timothy 3:16 states that “All scripture is inspired by God….” In 2 Peter 1:20-21, Peter reminds the reader to “know this first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, … but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” The Bible itself tells us that it is God who is the author of His book.


Hmmm Men moved by the "holy spirit", I once new a rock group in the 60's that made similar claims to validate their drug induced music! Again, you can not use anything in the bible, to justify it's writings as it's writings attempt to validate is self.. it is only a persons "faith" that allows it to be a truth for them..

So let me clearify.. you are welcome to pontificate your bible in what ever manner you desire.. but know one truth. it is not the absolute truth. The culmination of all of mans writings can only scratch the surface of the truth and meaning of life and the responsibilities we have in life. So get off your podium and let others live as you would wish them to allow you to live. Amen!

Now that you've gotten everything off of your chest and blown off some steam.....end of conversation, though I honestly don't believe you can resist the urge to make another last ditch effort in refuting the truths I have stated...prove me wrong.

I don't need to prove you wrong, I also don't believe you actually think your without culpability here! As for blowing off steam.. tis far far better to proclaim love for thy neighbor then to bloviate your disdain for anyone that doesn't make muster to your rules. And if the truth be told, I was not having a conversation with you, I was throwing stones at your BS. Your the one that began the pontification to a persons honest feelings about their spirituality.. I bet If I put this on a word count software program your diatribes would far out number my retort. Hope you feel good gloating in your righteousness..

MrsJoanieBNH I agree with your reply to Josie06 but I have never had much luck trying to reason with JW's. Reason is not what they care for. To my mind Jehovah's Witnesses are not really Christian but they have a right to their beliefs. I tolerate them, not out of agreement but for the greater cause of liberty.

HI Will Thank you. My responses to Josie06 really didn't have much to do with JWs. It began more with her spiritual being about being Trans and being Christian. Then it became a convoluted talk back with seotelkniwt who knows all and sees all and is the supreme judge as to who can be Christian and who can not be. Like you I have no issues with someones faith. What I have a problem with is when people make the claims they do condemning an others own faith. Especially when they attempt to use their own doctrine as proof. And extreme example of this would be like saying the documents related to the "final solution" justified the Holocaust. Of course I'm not comparing the two. The bible is at least an attempt at harmony and peace in the worlds of heaven and earth. My problem if you haven't been reading, is that people who are zealot about their faith and denouncing others by creating a leader board of faith value and correctness can also be compared to those evil doers who use the bible to put asunder, harm or even murder those who disagree or live in an other faith.

@MrsJoanieBNH

If I may, and with all due respect and kindness, what tangible evidence led you to conclude your god is real?

Also, what makes your god real and all other professed gods false?

Dear Maxximiliann,

Tangible ~ (adj) Able to be touched: able to be touched or perceived through the sense of touch actual: capable of being understood and evaluated, and therefore regarded as real: able to be realized: capable of being given a physical existence.

What concludes my god* as real..? "Look around!" as there is as much evidence, seeing hearing touching smelling as you can give me that in the way you enjoy your faith exists.

In your second paragraph you suggest that I am say "all other professed gods are false" Never have I professed any god* false.

My suggestions have been specifically:

1. That a person is and should be, free to find faith in their own ability, need, and experience.

2. That man wrote the bible and that this writting is base on "non tangible" evidence and influenced by that "non tangible evidence I.E. "the holy spirit".

3. That the use of the bible as "tangible" prof to proselytize it's dogma and diminish an other faith dogma is not proof and thus does not place a specific righteousness on the person doing so.

4. And my most major point has been that in the use of this specific Christian dogma, and many other dogmas have been used as good and righteous excuses/reason/rational to demoralize, demonize, abuse, condemn, maim and murder innocent individuals for no other reason then they are different and outside the parameters of that dogma.

As I had scaned your posting of the "JW and desire for peace" in many of your comments. I understand that peace will only be recognized when all individuals turn swords into plows. This is quite true and requires a faith beyond faith and is a great joy in speaking. and is a righteous dream of man kind. Sadly there have been a boat load of injustice breed from man's attempt to force it's word on those who see it differently.

* god ~ call this deity as you enjoy, it is but one and it is greater then any and all, it may be a creation, a design, an inspiration, a meditation, a reason or it may be everything.

Amen

@Joanie

Thank you for that thorough explication! :)

You say "that a person is and should be, free to find faith in their own ability, need, and experience."

If I may, does this also include Al-Qaeda, radical Islamists and Satanic cults?

god* is present in many many ways. Some miraculous some horrific, man has free will, if his will is evil and does evil things or if he forms large groups that do evil deeds it has more to do with the ignorance of man then it has to do with mythical demonic angles (analogous stories with messages). Just as there are Christians who have done evil in the name of our lord so have there been Islamic and pagans. I am to innocent to know why god has given us evil, except that we may know good. I can not understand why men do evil things as I can not contemplate in any form harming another precious individual. I do know that man no matter his religion, and his religion are corrupted by evil men.

And that is my issue with anyone who demands that their religion has "all" the answers and demands that all must follow it or be cast out as evil, as it means those individuals in that religion are treading close to if not crossing the line of those examples you have sited in al-Qaeda or any other radical group lead by evil men who recruit zealots!

I agree with you Joanie in this case. It takes courage for anyone to stand up and admit their faith in Christ. The Jehovah's
Witne.SS.e.SS have very little to be proud of for the way they always mob the weakest targets and they made a BIG MISTAKE in this particular case because Josie06 is obviously not weak in FAITH however marginalized she may be as a transgender person. The ignorance of maxximiliann & co. is stagering given their narrow minded association of transvestism & ********** with serial rape which I find unacceptable in an organization that assumes the moral high ground with no justification that I can see. The appeal to reason with them like civilized people is NAUSEATING to say the least. What do they contribute to civilization? HATE fueled religion is VILE.

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I love your story. Just be you. God loves you and He understands you better than any human being could ever. Of course you are not perfect. What christian do you know really is perfect? Our God is an awesome God. Hold on to your relationship with Him. I support you, my friend.

A whole earthly society of people earthwide, with the exception of Noah and seven others and the designated animals that were to go onto the Ark; lost their lives because of "being just themselves" during the Flood of Noah's day. These ones took no note when Noah a "preacher of righteousness", and Noah's family came to them with God's purpose and decree for wicked mankind (Genesis 6:5-8,13; Matthew 24:36-39). As a matter of fact they mocked and ridiculed their preaching and teaching efforts for almost 60 years.

My feelings exactly Inherownwords. theotellnitwit will never agree with you or anyone else who does not belong to the same sect. They enjoy being perverse.

How can Josie change if transgender is who she is? That is why I said for her to be herself. A transgender can not change. There is no way, no how. Again, where in the bible does it say anything about transgenders? It says something about homosexuality, which is a sin. But who am I to judge? Homosexuality and transgender are two different things. So how do you know what God said about trans being wrong? What if God accepts all trans?

Josie come on here posting her story, the truth of who she is. She is not hiding. This woman is a christian, a follower. She has a relationship with God. Whatever she does is between her and God. You can argue with me all day long on this. It is not for me to judge her. Only God can judge. There are christians who claim to speak to another of God's word and love. Pick and choose whatever is in the bible. And they come across as judgmental. Josie be herself in God's eyes, not through our eyes. We don't know her.

Exactly!

Cute...... :)...."Argumentum ad Lapideim". You've done nothing to dispel my (statements). Try again..... :). (quote, borrowed from a friend)..... :)

Niiiiiceee Twinkle!!! :D :D :D

@ Inherownwords

Just out of curiosity, how many ex-gays and ex-transgenders do you know?

Ex gays and extransgenders? If you mean people who used to be transgender and gay, non. I have friends and family that are gay and/or transgender. And they are either christian or catholic.

@Inherownwords

Thing is, if being gay or transgender is not a choice, how is it that so many have been able to abandon those lifestyles in favor of normal heterosexual ones?

What does this have to do with this story? Come on. We are talking about trans here. I don't know not one trans come out of being a transexual. Some find themselves a trans at the ages 8-9 years old. Explain that to me. How can a child know that they feel they are the opposite sex of what they were born with? That type of thing from what I have seen and experienced, don't begin at that age.

I mean that type of thing with homosexuality don't begin at that age from what I have seen and experienced. Most transexuals begin at the ages 8-9 years old.

@inher

Simple. It's nurture, as in Josie's case. He was born fully male, not hermaphrodite, and was raised by his mom as a girl. His transsexuality, then, is not nature but pure nurture.

A mother raises her child, nurture and care for her baby. The mother's job is to protect her baby inside and out of the womb. Trans is not by choice. It is natural. I have not found anything, anywhere about transexual being a sin. Gay, yes. Transexual, no. But as I mentioned they are two different things. A transexual means that a person feel they are of the opposite sex in which they were born. Some have sex changes. A homosexual is one who have a relationship with someone of the same sex. A transexual have a relationship of technically a person of the opposite sex. I was friends with a transexual. Had a crush on him. I am not a lesbian or anything. Wasn't experimenting. When I looked at my friend, I did not see him as a woman. I saw a man.

@Maxi....

Your question "Thing is, if being gay or transgender is not a choice, how is it that so many have been able to abandon those lifestyles in favor of normal heterosexual ones?"

First there is Guilt, a very powerful tool used by society to control the behavior of individuals a society as by majority deemed in appropriate.
Second is Doubt, many individuals doubt themselves and turn to things that appear more rational and "easier" then what it is that they struggle with.
Third is Peer Pressure, the ignorance of others to attempt to sway individual towards a group think based only on the matter that most people feel this way so should you.
When a person "finds religion" they repress their anti social behavior. Mostly because they are not strong and confident individuals and require validation of a sympathetic group. And this is just they tip of the ice burg.

@Maxi...
Your siting one individual case as proof in your attempting to blame nurture, there are as well thousands of examples where nature may be a larger contributing factor. It's a scientific fact that no one can understand nature and nurture in it's complete anthology to determine whether you can or can not lead a horse to water and force that horse to drink. If there were not an inclination in that child, he would have cast of the nurturing of his parent. If the inclining was to be feminine and his parent saw this his life and benefit should be no concern of yours.

Hi Joanie. My conversation with Josie was also hijacked by a particular brand of zealots. My attempts at being reasonable with them always end the same way. They know everything, I know nothing, and (their) god is gonna get me for disregarding (their unique version of) the bible which by the way, is never used by any scholar outside of their sect. Everyone who does not join their narrow minded circle is licentious, dissolute and prejudiced against them entirely without any fair cause. There is a difference between single minded and narrow minded. One is devoted to a cause, the other is a hopelessly lost cause.

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You are severely and dangerously deceiving yourself and others. It states clearly in the scriptures that dressing in womens apparel is a sin for a man, that it is a sin for a man to be effeminate and that it is a sin for two men to have sex with each other. whatever you 'feel' cannot be relied on, many are the 'feelings' that can be generated from many sources, even demonic ones. if your faith doesn't line up with the scriptures then you are not a Christian at all, but are following the doctrines of demons and a false "christ". GOD did not make you to be or want you to be a 'transexual'.

I am telling you this for your own good, if you think GOD approves of 'transexualism' then you are blaspheming. Many a false doctrine starts with the justification of sin. A wise man takes counsel.

If you are going to disagree and screech at me, save it to tell GOD. we will stand before HIM very soon, He has already told us what HE thinks of such things.

Deceiving others? Deceiving herself? Speak for yourself. And where in her story does it say anything about her being gay? She is transgender. There is a difference. Josie is being who she is suppose to be. Living her life the best way she knows how. Being the good christian she knows to be. You or others may not agree or understand. It is not about you. This is between her and God.

I'm sorry, wolfman, but your speaking of another mans words (The bible is a book written by man, who at the time my have been inspired by gods word, but that word was relative to the times to create a following which would be safe and Prosperous) Many of the words you site, were meant to control the masses, and only some to provide devise inspiration on and individuals path to holiness. To interepert those words today, you must understand the enlightenment of people today. God has created us in gods image. Be a person gay, transgender, homophobic, pacifist, murder. We are gods image because god has created all of us. Crawl out from under your rock. Stop attempting to control other peoples lives and faith. You are not god you can not condemn a person for living their inspirations and you are a fool for trying. If you want to see goodness in this world start living goodness.

Inherownwords, transgenderism, being gay, lesbianism, being a transexual, bi-sexual or the like, are all in the same boat in God's eyes...And Josieo6 is justifying her lifestyle by labeling it with the word "christian"....it's interesting that the Bible says that a person can be "sincere", but not according to accurate knowledge. Romans 10:2,3 says: For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to accurate knowledge, for, because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own, they did not subjuect themselves to the righteousness of God." So I don't doubt josieo6's sincerity or even her zeal, but i do know that based on Romans 1:24-27 that josieo6's sincerity and zeal is severly misplaced because of a lack of accurate knowledge from God's Word.

It is not the same. And whether it is or isn't she is still a child of God. At the end of the day, it is between her and God.

Where did you, or where are you getting your information? Certainly not from the authority of the Bible....It is ALL the same, they are all filthy habits, vices, and practices in the eyes of God. Do you really know anything about what the Bible says regarding those types of sinful alternatives lifestyles? Be careful, do not presume that you know how God feels and thinks about issues like that.

Where in the bible does it say about transgender?

It doesn't! And even if it did, it can not be accurate. Transgenderism may be an abnormal, and perhaps not as prevalent as those born with their minds in their respective bodies but as aspect of humanity it still exists as does homosexuality. To site an ancient document to condemn a very real aspect of life, (which was unknown at the time, due to the ignorance prevalent at that time) is paramount to the ultimate ignorance we could ever perpetrate on one another. Akin even to Hitler proclamation of a superior race. I would have to say, if Jesus, (an awesome profit) were walking around the world today, he would proclaim the same things he did then, but the lepers of today would be those of us not the norm attempting to live in a paranoid society.

I agree Soet, except this person has been informed and is in rebellion. The rest of you commenters need to realize this is a Scriptural topic and go be mindlessly simperingly 'politically correct' elsewhere.

Do you REALLY want to know?

Exactly... It does not say it in the bible.

A person has to be a deep thinker spiritually speaking to discern the true meaning and spirit of what a Bible verse is saying. The Bible does'nt use the words: lesbian, gay person, transexual, homosexual, unisex, transgender and the like. As anybody ever saw those words? No, and you won't; unless someone comes up with an ultra modern version of the Bible.
The plain and very clear verse at Romans 1:26,27 says it all: "THAT IS WHY GOD GAVE THEM UP TO DISGRACEFUL SEXUAL APPETITES, FOR BOTH THE THEIR FEMALES CHANGED THE NATURAL USE OF THEMSELVES INTO ONE CONTRARY TO NATURE; likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another....recieving in themselves the full recompense for their ERROR....Anyone, wanna challenge God concerning His decrees, views, and words on this matter of transgendering? It's in your own copy of the Bible if you dare look it up for yourselves. You need not be afraid to see for yourself. No one on this site will see you reading Romans 1:26,27, with the exception of God, Himself.
Also, the purpose, result or ulterior motive of those who live such a lifestyle is to intimately sleep with and to engage in sexual intercourse, either orally or by means of other estatic apparatus or paraphernalia. Truly a disgusting thing in God's eyesight as stated in His Word the Bible (Leviticus 18:22; Leviticus 20:13; 1st Corinthians 6:9). So, just because a particular word or an alternative lifestyle form that goes contrary to scriptural norms and standards prescribed by God Himself is not mentioned in the Bible does not mean that it's okay to live that way or even think that way (Matthew 5:28)....The stated principles in God's Word covers all areas of life, including the regulatory of what's decent, proper and acceptable in His eyes. Not yours, theirs, or mine.

Huge difference between homosexual and transgender. If it does not say anything in the bible about transgender, then what is the problem here? Whether something is written in the bible or not, we must not judge one another. Only God can judge. God knows of transgenders. Like I said previously, only God knows who Josie is suppose to be through His eyes. God is the creator here. I believe that homosexuality is a sin. It is written in the bible about same sex couples. May not be specifics but is it written. But again, who am I to say what is right or wrong. And again, that is between the sinner and God. Transgender is not of the same sex. It is not up for you or anybody to understand this truth. I am not afraid to admit when I am wrong, same as I am not afraid to read God's word. But for you to put transgender in the same category as homosexuality, simply shows that you do not understand its difference. They are perfectly different things in the sense that homosexuality is of the same sex couples. And transgender is not of the same sex. We can argue this all day long. But I am sticking to my beliefs. I support transgender, gay, bisexual, lesbian, straight. I support God's children. I support the fact that we are all human beings and should be treated as equals. Not of someone who lives a particular lifestyle or feel they are someone other than what society sees. Again, what about these people as human beings?

I would also go so far as to say that any hostility towards homosexuals in the bible is mans attempt to disseminate behavior it didn't like at the time man was inspired to write the bible. A great story with wonderful was to live in a godly manner, But speaks from a time when not much was know about the differences and indifference in peoples. A persons faith is their faith and can/should not be judged. A persons actions are their actions and should always be judged.

Very well said MrsJoanie

Inherownwords, again, transgender, transexual, lesbians, homosexuals, unisex persons who go both ways, gays are ALL in the same group.....they all have sexual intent, and that is to sleep with the same sex.....that's the connecting thread, and adhesive glue that clumps them altogether. None of those groups that I mentioned are leading celibate lives, none of them are sitting back and twiddling their thumbs and saying: "Oh no!, just because I wanna be a man, or feel that I'm a man in a woman's body even though I'm a woman; I'm not going to have sex or sleep with a woman; my 'morals' will not allow me to do so!" And vice versa, a man who's having a gender identity crisis will not be echoing those words either. Immoral, sexual intent is the aim of those who practice such vices. It does'nt matter what label is given to these ones. Get them altogether at a party and see if they don't 'get with each other'. They all have the same common immoral goal.
As far as judging others way of life or living; the Author of the Bible, Jehovah God said DO NOT LAY with a male the same as you would with a woman and the same applies to women....The truth is so simple, clear, understandable, and obvious; yet uninformed unbelievers and uninformed skeptics, blindly co-sign one anothers dogmatic statements without checking things out for themselves. Beware, when you reject God's Word because you believe it is a mans' book and not God's, or when you say that it's contents are not practical and beneficial for our day and age; then you are not really rejecting me; but you are to your own detriment rejecting God. Those who read this post ask yourself: Are you a follower of men? Do you have a fear what others will think about you if you say or do something contrary to their dictates; in other words going along with the majority even though deep in your heart what someone else is saying or has said makes sense to you? If your heart and mind says that certain things make sense and certain things said don't make sense pray to God for further understanding on what's being stated. I wholehearted encourage ones who sinerely want to know more about the Bible to talk with Jehovah's Witnesses. Do not be swayed by negative propaganda.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/the-bible-a-book-from-god/

I am not here to argue or debate about this. You obviously do not understand the fact that there is a major difference between the two. My support of gays, lesbian, etc has nothing to do with you or anybody else. That is between me and my relationship with God. Some people forget about God's love. They are too busy pointing out a person's wrongs which come across as judgmental. What ever happened to prayer? You know? Praying for others and hope they go down the right path. I guess prayer don't exist anymore. Well anyway, I am done talking about this. Like I said, I am sticking to my feelings and will always support this no matter what. Call me what you will. I honestly don't care. It's not hurting anybody. Right? Right...

I respect your views Inherownwords although I don't agree with them. What I "will" call you is a person standing up for your beliefs and I can't and don't want to take that away from you....My purpose or goal in commenting on this topic is to encourage more Bible reading and to discuss this topic in the light of the scriptures, God's Word. As one of Jehovah's Witnesses I definitely recognize that the vast majority on this site and elsewhere do not like what we preach and teach concerning the Bible because it does'nt go along with what they've been taught all their lives or heard from others. This stark fact does'nt deter me at all, as a matter of fact with a sense of urgency it motivates me to continue to strive in what I'm doing despite the negative comments I recieve at the doors, while informally witnessing to someone; like on my job or at the doctor's office, in the parking lot of a business, or here on the internet; I do this out of agage' love for my neighbors because lives are at stake. I also do this for a greater love of God, Jehovah. And no it's not hurting anybody but you.
Again, I respect your stance and will not comment anymore on your replies unless you direct them to me. Take care.

@maxximillian you asked me that question already

@seotelkniwt Yes, you are correct, lives are at stake. Specifically, the lives of innocent people attempting to live as close to a normal life as they can but, will in some manner of shape or form be robed of living that life or life itself. And this will happen because of those who take mans inspirational words (inspired by who or what ever) to mean that they are justified in a violent or non violent manner to attack this innocence, based on the dogmatic values a book that may have been divinely inspired, and written by man with all of man's sin to justify their deeds. Again your faith is your faith. But when you judge a person to be at risk of life, you robe that person of living. Any person Gay, Transgender, Straight as as much right to their values, belief and morality as you. Your proselytizing may in your mind be justifiable. In my mind it is harmful and condemning. Prove me wrong!

It says it inherownwords

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

mrsjoanie, since you are going to just say that any part of the Bible you dont like is "obviously mens ideas" then you do not believe in the Christian faith which is DEFINED by believing that the Bible is inerrant. and so......, since this is a discussion about what IS and what IS NOT Christian, you and your comments are totally out of place and only serve to muddy the issue for a personal agenda which is obvious.

Loving someone means telling them the truth and warning of the danger they are heading toward.

mrsjoanie, if the Bible is right (and it is) then warning people, even if it 'bothers' them is the best thing we can do for them. One day you yourself will regret all these things you are saying very much, either in this life as part of repentance or eternally in the next life as part of justice for trying to help people go to hell.

@Joanie

Can you show me, please, how the following is harmful and condemning?

“YOU heard that it was said, ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU; that YOU may prove yourselves sons of YOUR Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous. For if YOU love those loving YOU, what reward do YOU have? (Matthew 5:43-46)

"But now really put them all away from YOU, wrath, anger, badness, abusive speech, and obscene talk out of YOUR mouth. Do not be lying to one another. Accordingly, [] clothe yourselves with the tender affections of compassion, kindness, lowliness of mind, mildness, and long-suffering. Continue putting up with one another and forgiving one another freely if anyone has a cause for complaint against another. Even as Jehovah freely forgave YOU, so do YOU also. But, besides all these things, [clothe yourselves with] love, for it is a perfect bond of union." - Colossians 3:8,9, 12-14.

Hello MrsjoanieBNH, I will not try to convince you that you are wrong nor will I try and prove that you are wrong concerning God's Word the Bible. I must say this much; that you are very passionate in your beliefs and stance; and for that reason alone I must respect and bow out gracefully to end our conversation. I have given it my best shot to at least tweak your mental powers and emotions; only I caused you and others anger which was never my intent. For that I apologize from my heart. And Mrsjoanie****** you have given it your best shot to tweak my mental and emotional feelings....and I must say you did ruffle my feathers there a time or two :) And you surely gave me a run for my money so to speak....So I will apply what Romans 12:18 recommends for all persons, not just christians to do: "If possible as far as it depends on you (me), be peaceable with all men." Mrsjoanie***** Take care. "Theotekniwit" :)

Wolfmankay, that does not explain transexuals to me in the bible. It is written about gays and homosexuals but non about transexuals. You can not put gays and trans in the same category. Do you even know what a transexual is? We are not talking about men who dress as women or the other way around. We are talking about transexuals here. People that feel they are the opposite sex of what they were born with. Some have a sex change opporation. And as i mentioned somehwere in this thread that they can start between the ages of 8-9.

Maximillian, if I may... I have heard of gays coming out and turn straight, living a lifestyle of marrying the opposite sex and having children together. I am not convinced that they completely come out of it. Not the topic being discussed, I have not heard anything about a transexual coming out of it. Nor have I seen or read about it. Unless they have gone through some phase and changed their feelings about it. But we all go through phases in our lives.

Their is no such thing as a transexual, if you were born with a penis and testicles you are a man. So it comes down to gays and crossdressers.

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Thanks for your courageous post Josie and your faithful witness. As you no doubt expected there is no small amount of intolerance in some of the responses. In this world we are not perfect, only forgiven. As Christians we acquire redemption by faith. 'So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal. ...' (2 Corinthians 4:18). If only your bigoted critics were aware of their own failings, their religious profession might mean something. They have nothing to be self righteous about. Every true believer knows this. Thank you for your honesty. Would you like to chat about how you came to know and feel the presence of God in your life everyday? This happened to me when I least expected it. Most of my friends thought I had lost my mind. The experience was very real and very personal. It was a gift from above. There is no other way to explain it. EP email me if you wish.

It appears as though you sincerely believe that, since we're all sinners, God doesn't care if we practice sin. If that's true, how do you explain the following?

"26 For if we practice sin willfully+ after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth,+ there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,+ 27 but [there is] a certain fearful expectation of judgment+ and [there is] a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition.+

28 Any man that has disregarded the law of Moses dies without compassion, upon the testimony of two or three.+ 29 Of how much more severe a punishment,+ do YOU think, will the man be counted worthy who has trampled+ upon the Son of God and who has esteemed as of ordinary value the blood+ of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has outraged the spirit+ of undeserved kindness with contempt?

30 For we know him that said: “Vengeance is mine; I will recompense”;*+ and again: “Jehovah* will judge his people.”+ 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of [the] living God.+" - Hebrews 10:26-31

hi there josie<br />
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I cannot judge you like you say in your post likewise you cannot judge me. judgement is Jesus' domain and we do not know how he will do what he will do.<br />
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I today read a very interesting excerpt in revelations which prompted me to reread the whole of revelations. i will tell you what i have found. If you understand truly that Jesus is the Living God then you have eternal life! that is the Promise Jesus makes everyone of us. all your sins are washed away and no man can take that away.<br />
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I however do not want you to think for one minute that an immoral life in the eyes of God will ever be acceptable! that is not what He wants for any of us. You will get REWARDED(punishment is for non believers) for the life you lead. that you must accept. i understand the place you find yourself is not one of your choosing. but we must both me and you turn from our sin. when we transgress Jesus cleans our slate but that does not give us the right to keep on living in that sin.<br />
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I'm a manic depressive with suicidal tendencies, this too was not my choice! but unlike you i do not get another chance when i make the wrong choice. my sin will unfortunately be a final act which would call God a liar when he says no trouble is to big for us to overcome. If i am not allowed to call God a liar then you are not either.<br />
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accept who you are does not mean accept what you do. i accept me and the way God made me. but i do not put the gun in my mouth<br />
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I'm sorry if this is harsh and not what you want to hear but if you are a christian then you have to follow Christ<br />
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God does not expect us to be perfect, but he does expect us to try to be<br />
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Hope you find the Love and Good intention in my message and not one of condemnation or judgement.<br />
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May God be with you every step of your way, and may he guide you in everything you do In Jesus name

All those typing about how sin is sin need to remember that the bible also says in the New Testament that a woman should cover her head and not speak out in church. The bible also talks about how one should not lust,eat shellfish,mix two types of fabric,eat pork,get tattoos, and get divorced. If it is a sin we are all just as guilty bc we all tend to ignore those things. of that I am guilty as well. The only unpardonable sin mentioned is to blasphemy the holy spirit. Anyway Josie...if you could add me I'd like to message you if that's ok. :)

You make some interesting references, however, it seems you're overlooking an important fact. For instance, do the laws of Japan apply in Australia? When a person in Ireland is arrested, are they tried according to Haitian law?

And you'll really have to pardon my ignorance here, guys...because after posting that long comment, i thought about what 'transgender' actually means...and from what i understand, it's a person who is born with both male and female body parts...and is not even a matter of choice...and is very different from homosexuality because there are actual physical attributes that the person is born with, as opposed to it being just an issue of orientation...so yeah, i hear ya...and i admire your courage for posting this blog. Hugs!!

Thing is Josie was born fully male, not hermaphrodite, and was raised by his mom as a girl. His transsexuality, then, is not nature but pure nurture.

I agree that God is both extremely holy & extremely loving. And we all have our areas where we are challenged when it comes to holiness...for some, it might be their temper, for others it might be various issues with sexuality...for others yet, it may be lying, or gossip, or judging...not one of us is exempt or in a place to be able to judge others...we need to help bear one another's burdens...i think what happens is that alot of people get into despair and lose hope when they feel they can't change when it comes to alot of these things...after they have tried over and over again and fail...and for their own sanity they just come to a place of accepting things exactly as they are instead of being able to really believe they can have complete deliverance...so i really do get it. I believe with all my heart that we, as a Body of believers, need to really be able to get to the place where we care enough, love enough, to really help our dear brothers and sisters...to rise up and be the Body of Christ that Jesus died to have....one that knows how to set the captive free, to minister deliverance the way Jesus did when He saw the crowds who were harassed and helpless and like sheep without a shepherd...He felt incredible compassion for them and cast out the "demons" they were struggling with...and we've all got them...just different ones...but a church to really love, to really pray and believe and offer up a safe place where there is deep inner healing of root issues that have caused the person to not be able to feel comfortable in the gender they were born with...who are caught in this maze of sexual identity issues...this is not just something that people can "snap out of" on their own...it's very real, very complex, and something Jesus Christ died for so that people could be free for real. Holiness is a gift, given to us freely by Christ. That's why i love guys like John Crowder and Ben Dunn...alot of people in the church criticize these guys, because they are out of the box and really unconventional in their ways of doing ministry, but they preach about intimacy with Jesus like the mystics of old, and they see people completely set free from addictions and sexual identity issues and all kinds of things that man would say 'impossible' to...because nothing is impossible with God...the proof is in the pudding...they themselves were instantly delivered from drug addiction before they became preachers...i believe that God's heart for people is to set the captives free and make them into some of the most powerful preachers and ministers the world has ever known...setting them in the highest places of royalty with Jesus!! Daddy God loves you transgender people, and so do I!!

I understand ... some people will never understand.

I'm sorry but that's impossible for doesn't make mistakes so if your born a male or a female that is what god wanted you to be. Satan is a great liar and can come to you as god and trick you..

GOD DOESN'T MAKE MISTAKES right? So let's abolish ophthalmology and orthodontics. If god wanted everyone to have good vision and straight teeth everyone would be born that way. As you say, Satan is a great liar and can come to you as god and trick you. YOU SAID IT punkash.

Our imperfections are the result of God making mistakes? Nothing could be further from the truth for:

"The Rock, perfect is his activity,*+
For all his ways are justice.+
A God* of faithfulness,+ with whom there is no injustice;+
Righteous and upright is he.+" - Deuteronomy 32:4

Why then do we possess imperfection such that we, inevitably, get sick, grow old and eventually die? This is why, "For the wages sin pays is death." - Romans 6:23

But how is it that we've all come to inherit sin? Romans 5:12 explains, "Through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned."

As such, our need for doctors, hospitals and medicine is not because our Creator goofed. It's because we've all been born in Adamic sin. This also explains homosexuality and transsexuality.

Now, since we're all born in sin, does this mean God doesn't care if we practice sin? If that's really the case, how do you explain the following?

"26 For if we practice sin willfully+ after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth,+ there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,+ 27 but [there is] a certain fearful expectation of judgment+ and [there is] a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition.+

28 Any man that has disregarded the law of Moses dies without compassion, upon the testimony of two or three.+ 29 Of how much more severe a punishment,+ do YOU think, will the man be counted worthy who has trampled+ upon the Son of God and who has esteemed as of ordinary value the blood+ of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has outraged the spirit+ of undeserved kindness with contempt?

30 For we know him that said: “Vengeance is mine; I will recompense”;*+ and again: “Jehovah* will judge his people.”+ 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of [the] living God.+" - Hebrews 10:26-31

To be saved you must believe and you must obey JESUS. And being "transgender" is a great sin. If you repent maybe you can still be saved. You must lay aside earthly wants that get in the way of your relationship with GOD. If you are assuming that you can go on sinning and be saved, you are gravely mistaken, read very carefully the Bible and you will realize this. GOD makes no one transgender, true hermaphrodites are just mutated over developed women. If you have a penis and testes, you are a man.

Don't listen to kaveboy here...he doesn't understand transgender..science will beat out your religion boy. U know that transgender can have male genitalia but ovaries too!?! And it's proven that they can look like male but feel as if they were female..and vise versa. I'm sorry u don't know the first thing about God, but it's ok...you might repent for your sins one day too. :)

natalie, you are very wrong on all counts. You simply want to follow me around disputing me because your own conscience bothers you and the things I say are exactly what you want to shout down because they echo what little of your own conscience is not too burned out to tell you. Speaking to me in a provocative manner is the result of your frustration that I and the truth that I state will not be silenced or play along with your delusions.

I must say, a lot of these posts have made me feel quite cross and upset.<br />
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Plenty of you all throwing sc<x>ripture about but what it all boils down to is SIN is SIN. Simple. There is not a grading scale for it. Just becuase Josie has decided to live her life as a female does not make that sin worse than say, cheating or lying or that sinful thing you done last week... Yeah, you know what im talking about! (lol)<br />
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All sin is sin. It is not on a sliding scale. Who are any of you all to judge this wonderful child of God made in HIS image. <br />
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If any of you has not sinned then feel free to carry on, if not then pipe down.<br />
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Josies relationship with God is a personal one and I am sure this decision was not taken lightly and there was much prayer and dialoge with Him.<br />
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As a CHRISTIAN who has sinned Many times Josie, thank you for sharing your story here. Xox

@Kookie

It appears as though you sincerely believe that, since we're all sinners, God doesn't care if we practice sin. If that's true, how do you explain the following?

"26 For if we practice sin willfully+ after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth,+ there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,+ 27 but [there is] a certain fearful expectation of judgment+ and [there is] a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition.+

28 Any man that has disregarded the law of Moses dies without compassion, upon the testimony of two or three.+ 29 Of how much more severe a punishment,+ do YOU think, will the man be counted worthy who has trampled+ upon the Son of God and who has esteemed as of ordinary value the blood+ of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has outraged the spirit+ of undeserved kindness with contempt?

30 For we know him that said: “Vengeance is mine; I will recompense”;*+ and again: “Jehovah* will judge his people.”+ 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of [the] living God.+" - Hebrews 10:26-31

I think that we do judge using GOD`S word. I think if God made you the way he did you need to except that. Remember what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah ? When a person becomes a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN there should be REPENTANCE which is turning from SIN.Many say they are christians but are not. Jesus said In Matthew 7:21-23 he never knew you.Read these verses.Many people claim to be christian but never received Christ as there Personal Savior also along with this they don`t Repent of their sin. I ask that you talk to a Pastor that uses God`s Bible. That you will know him.If your not saved you will go to HELL. I say this to you so you know with out a doubt you are saved.I`m not sorry to say this because I want you to be in Heaven<br />
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God Bless You,<br />
Lenny

I agree with your statement "i believe Jesus is my savior and that God is loving, gracious, forgiving, and always there to greet me with open arms. God leads and Jesus paid the price for me" . God is a loving God, and just because you were born in the wrong physical body does not change his love for you. And as long as your sexuality does not harm anyone, there is nothing sinful about it. We all need to be more loving people. <br />
I wish you the best.

Thing is Josie was born fully male, not hermaphrodite, and was raised by his mom as a girl. His transsexuality, then, is not nature but pure nurture.

God Bless You, thank you for being who you are and being in the lead to help others be who they are too. You are a blessing, I hope you know that.

I am A Christian Also. I believe in Jesus as my savior and I live buy the principlas of goodness that are in the Bible. <br />
But sometimes I get aggravated at the Christian circle out there because there is a lot of baloney in the religious circles. Condemning Homosexuals and preachers trying to milk money out of people all the time and that gets to me. <br />
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But I know that God is real and that God is LOVE <br />
so I walk in Love and I have learned from God what love is and how to love people and how to be compassionate towards others.

@Gman

It appears as though you sincerely believe that, since we're all sinners, God doesn't care if we practice sin. If that's true, how do you explain the following?

"26 For if we practice sin willfully+ after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth,+ there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,+ 27 but [there is] a certain fearful expectation of judgment+ and [there is] a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition.+

28 Any man that has disregarded the law of Moses dies without compassion, upon the testimony of two or three.+ 29 Of how much more severe a punishment,+ do YOU think, will the man be counted worthy who has trampled+ upon the Son of God and who has esteemed as of ordinary value the blood+ of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has outraged the spirit+ of undeserved kindness with contempt?

30 For we know him that said: “Vengeance is mine; I will recompense”;*+ and again: “Jehovah* will judge his people.”+ 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of [the] living God.+" - Hebrews 10:26-31

Josie,<br />
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I agree with Intelligently. I try to die to myself every day and submit to God's will for me. There are some serious things that I have sacrificed. But deep down I know that his way is the only way. I tried it my way and I made a mess of things. There really is no way to go against God's will and win. It won't happen. I learned that the hard way. The good thing is that when you do decide to die to yourself and go his way, things go well for you. He makes all things work for good for those who love (obey) him. Hang in there. Keep the faith.

I read your story and being raised up as a good ol' boy type I cannot wrap my brain around it, that being said I look first to the beam in mine own eye. I will say that my main concern for you is what you have to say about angels as I can assure you they have never saved you in any way and can prove this out in the sc<x>riptures. It worries me when people have this belief because it is very unbiblical and leads to the perversion of bible doctrine. If you ever want to discuss this i would be very happy to. Walk with the King and god bless.

It is your belief that they do not exist. Not all believe the same as you. We can look at not only the various churches on this earth but also the books that have been written by clerics and lay people alike. There are those who believe as you do and those who believe as I do and others as well. Thank you for your interpretation and inputs. I enjoy and learn by reading myself and listening.

Angels absolutely exist that is not what i am saying at all. One could not be a bible believer if one was to say that. My point was their purpose. Angels have never been portrayed in the bible as personal guardians. Every dealing they have had with man has been in Israel's national interest. Today angels are watching what God is doing in this dispensation of grace and like us waiting for the lord's return as they don't know when it will be any more than us. All i am saying is that it puts you in a doctrinal quagmire to think this is the case. Or maybe a different approach to this is why could God not have just saved you in those situations? While it is absolutely fact that angels are used by God in world events it is ver unbiblical to think one is watching over you. Almighty God has your back and He is very capable!!

Thanks for your wonderful story Josie. The first testimony of a transgender christian I have ever seen although I have been looking for one. It is hardly surprising that I had to come to EP to find it. I too believe it is not my place to judge anyone, that is God's job. I am not transgender. I am not perfect either. But in the New Testament I have found a perfect WAY. "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." Matthew 7:12. New International Version (©1984). To be born transgender is not a choice. To love the truth is. Jesus never turned anyone away, although he warned that the powerful, the puritanical, the self righteous and those comfortable in this world would find the way to be the hardest.

It appears as though you sincerely believe that, since we're all sinners, God doesn't care if we practice sin. If that's true, how do you explain the following?

"26 For if we practice sin willfully+ after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth,+ there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,+ 27 but [there is] a certain fearful expectation of judgment+ and [there is] a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition.+

28 Any man that has disregarded the law of Moses dies without compassion, upon the testimony of two or three.+ 29 Of how much more severe a punishment,+ do YOU think, will the man be counted worthy who has trampled+ upon the Son of God and who has esteemed as of ordinary value the blood+ of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has outraged the spirit+ of undeserved kindness with contempt?

30 For we know him that said: “Vengeance is mine; I will recompense”;*+ and again: “Jehovah* will judge his people.”+ 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of [the] living God.+" - Hebrews 10:26-31

You are one of the coolest of all. So glad you enjoy the unmerited favor of God. I hope you find peace in the intimate favor of another.

AMEN ITS STILL HOLINESS OR HELL REPENT AND TURN FROM YOUR WCKED WAYS AND THEN GOD WILL RECIEVE YOU AS HIS SON OR DAUGHTER

It is not possible for one to turn from sin before they are saved as they are still in their natural state which is spiritually dead. Without the baptism of the Holy spirit turning from sin would be impossible. Christ died for all sins because we needed complete redemption. The Lord God almighty did all the work for us or none would be saved.

@Tower

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you got it backwards:

"He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; he that disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him." - John 3:36

“By this we have the knowledge that we have come to know [Jesus], namely, if we continue observing his commandments.” (1 John 2:3)