Words From An Ex-church Goer And My Reply

 

OpenSoulSearcher on Jan 19th, 2010 at 5:47AM

I have read the book, in fact I was a christian for 23 years. I believed all of that stuff too at one time. I do not believe that god is anything more than a character in a story. Everyone wants to say that the book is the word of god, though not one that wrote that book were around in the beginning, there was no written language and I doubt god put pen to paper to write it all down. People say god does not lie..well then we have to go back to the book, If he wrote that book, if those are supposed to be his words..then he does indeed lie. Too many faithful live by gods word, trust in it and he does not hold up his end of the bargain. Not to mention, it seems to me that you would have to be a pretty pathetic god to create people with the sole purpose being to have someone to bow down and worship you...for what purpose? The first mass murderer was god. He ordered men women and children killed in his name..I read the book, maybe that is why I can no longer believe..sometimes ignorance is bliss. I do not knock your faith, I am just explaining that not everyone is going to believe.

 

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Hello to you OpenSoulSearcher;

 

I appreciate your words simply because I am just different when it comes to God verses the ways of man. In other words I see this world and the human race more from His own point of view; and with that what man thinks and sees is completely excluded with the reason being that when we just take God for who He actually is rather than trying to become wise in our own eyes He reveals much to those that come directly to only Him while putting absolutely no confidence in man. I can actually somewhat understand where you’re mind is at by your words seeing of God as a mass murderer and not holding up to His end of the bargain. What makes me different is rather than judge and condemn you, I will simply explain why you feel what you feel because there is a reason for all things.  

 

Because what I have just said to you is not something that man can do on his own accord; because it is God who picks and chooses through history and even now in these end times who He will use within His kingdom to reign with Christ as immortal officials within the government of God. Isaiah 9:6

 

First of all in defense of our creator I would like to clarify your words on disbelief with no expectations of changing you at this time because that is something that only God can do.

 

You said;

 I have read the book, in fact I was a christian for 23 years. I believed all of that stuff too at one time. I do not believe that god is anything more than a character in a story.

Me;

One can read the Holy Bible for an entire lifetime with never actually understanding anything that has been read because only God can be your genuine teacher. Proverbs 2:6, 4:1, 13, 8:33-36, 15:32-33, 16:3, Isaiah 28:9

Only those walking with God’s Spirit of truth understand that the only way to learn His spiritual truths is by going directly to only Him with no respect of persons that have been deceived and walk in darkness. One can also go to church for their entire lifetime; however in pure truth they will never actually know God in Spirit and in Truth because they all and always have directed their minds towards what man teaches them rather than going directly to the source which is God almighty that has always been and always will be; therefore knows all things.

 

A person can also consider themselves a Christian whether they go to church or not because so many have different views on God and what He says throughout thy word is truth. In other words there are many individuals that have their own beliefs that they feel is very Christian or religiously correct while missing out on the whole purpose of the entire Bible which is the character of God that is required to even begin a relationship with Him. So what I am trying to say is this: Christian or Christianity is but a name that a billion may use without even knowing its meaning; and those who do ignore the meaning by not following Christ with all of their hearts, but instead follow what man teaches and does things that go totally against what is written that we are to all live by. Deuteronomy 8:3, Matthew 4:4, Luke 4:4

 

You said:

Everyone wants to say that the book is the word of god, though not one that wrote that book were around in the beginning, there was no written language and I doubt god put pen to paper to write it all down.

Me;

All that is needed to believe is faith by actions and not just words. Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible with God’s Holy Spirit as the director of his thoughts. Now I can understand how one without faith or knowledge of God would not believe those words because what I wrote of is un-seen. Ask yourself a question. Did the never ending eternal universe create itself? What holds everything in place with precise movements with rotations and gravities that keep billions of stars and planets from colliding? Invisible superglue perhaps?

 

God is on His throne which is the entire universe with earth as His footstool. And we as its inhabitants are as grasshoppers. Spiritually speaking what we are compared to God would require a multi billion dollar microscope that viewed all seven billion of us as sinful microscopic grains of almost nothing as a race that does not fully abide in Christ. But those who do walk as Christ walked with full dependence on only the Father while only wanting to please Him shall be made so great that they will reign with Jesus Christ in the millennium and move on to being great rulers all throughout God’s kingdom that shall never end. What you did not see was the truth of God because all of today’s shepherds that are completely blind are not feeding their flocks. And scripture even states this truth and how because of their false teachings how the blood of the just shall be shed. Lamentations 4:13-16, Ezekiel 34:2-10

Shepherds that are supposed to feed their flocks only truth will teach them all that those words are of old and to Israel; therefore don’t apply to them; and that my friend is blindness so extreme that it is complete ignorance in a darkness that is going to cost billions of lives until the 2nd resurrection. And all who refuse God’s written truth is because Satan and his demons have already come into the minds of all children of disobedience. Ephesians 2:2 

And again shepherds will tell their flocks not to worry because they are saved and those words don’t apply to them. Just more sad darkness with the spirit of error as the lead.

 

You said;

People say god does not lie..well then we have to go back to the book, If he wrote that book, if those are supposed to be his words..then he does indeed lie.

Too many faithful live by gods word, trust in it and he does not hold up his end of the bargain.

Me;

There is very much depth than I could get into for explaining how God is true and does stand behind His every word. Any who desire to know more can message me and ask; so for now lets just use what is written in 1 Corinthians 2:14

 

“For the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

 

You said;

Not to mention, it seems to me that you would have to be a pretty pathetic god to create people with the sole purpose being to have someone to bow down and worship you...for what purpose?

Me:

King Nebuchadnezzar expected Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego to bow down and worship his golden image or be thrown into the fiery furnace that was turned up seven times hotter than ever before. But their own faith in knowing an un-seen God through worship as humility and trust led them to choose the furnace of death over worshipping the golden image.

 

All through history there have been very sick individuals that wanted to be worshipped, and all through history there has been one very sick mankind that enjoyed raping woman and children male or female, murders, tortures, violent beatings such as men beating their women nearly to death over and over with just every kind of sickness mentally and physically that exists. The world today with all of its evils from a to z are of such a scum so low that there are not enough words to even begin describing all of the man made horrors with Satan as the god of this whole world. Just allow your mind to come up with any sick words of pain and darkness with lies and corruption, children, sex, sacrifices and the whole lot in a surf search. . . .and the results will make you so sick that you will vomit.

 

Want it all for your life as it is in this sickening world?  Well you have it now!!

 

Or choose to worship an eternal God in spirit and in truth that will lead only to a life of eternal happiness with genuine care for others and doing all things God’s way and not the ways of man that have been a complete failure.

 

And in addition is that God is so great and so merciful with so much love that if you choose not His ways of life and choose not repentance; you will become as if you never were as ashes underfoot. Man’s eternal hell of torture is just another of his own ways of belittling God, as if God Almighty would torture some old lady or a pregnant teenager for all of eternity just because they did not get saved when all who go to church don’t even do the things that Christ commands them to do!! Matthew 7:21

Again there is just to much scripture for me to detail every word, besides that I am not out to change anyone; but rather just supply some seeds of truth for you to do whatever you want with.

 

You said;

 

The first mass murderer was god. He ordered men women and children killed in his name..I read the book, maybe that is why I can no longer believe..sometimes ignorance is bliss. I do not knock your faith, I am just explaining that not everyone is going to believe.

 

Me;

It is only when ones mind becomes spiritual with the greatness of God compared to the low forms of human life that understanding can be had. When the flood came after Noah trying to warn people for 120 that no one paid any mind to, God was doing the human race a kindness by bringing it to an end because of all the violence and homosexuality with only darkness for a way of life. And all who have ever died since Adam that never truly knew God will be in the second resurrection and given 100 years of life with the chance to repent. So God did not murder, but only ceased a bad way of life until all become resurrected back to life. Isaiah 65:17-25

 

As I said before, I am not out on some far fetched desperate hunt in trying to save the world that has little time left before the great tribulation, what I do is just say truth for you to do with whatever your choice may be.

 

Timesoftrouble

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I would like to be in touch with you from time to time. Your words have helped me put in perspective t these troubling years that I have gone through. No one before has been able to give me a satisfactory answer before. Usually they give the pat answer that we suffer because sin has entered the world in the original sin of Eden and stop there. Other times they try to turn the tables on you and say that by saying what I have stated that I am become an accuser of the brethren and somehow siding with satan--that hurt.<br />
I also would like to discuss some other spiritual topics if you have the time.<br />
Thankyou once again.

Hello to you Gotmusicinme; <br />
In you’re very few words about God and the realities of life that we as God fearing individuals all have to struggle with while often questioning and wondering why do so very many people of very low caliber with no honesty, morals or care for others while not even knowing God have so much and those that strive to live in godly ways of righteousness with faith and prayer have so very little; and along with that, why so many turbulent storms in life? <br />
It’s really good that you mentioned Habakkuk because that shows you have some depth with God because of your understanding regarding what this prophet and man of God saw that so greatly bothered him; and prophetically what so greatly upset him is what God also is telling us that is coming upon America today. To answer the question about struggles in the lives of those with faith first requires the understanding of a verse that most may think they understand, but are in complete darkness; just as they are to the message of Christ and His words as our author of eternal salvation all throughout scripture. <br />
Here is the very important verse in 1 Corinthians 2:14 that all think does not apply to them when in truth they understand so little that any truth in the word of God that goes against their false teaching is only foolishness unto them.<br />
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.<br />
There is but only one way to understand God, so if you want understanding you have no choice but to follow His instructions; after all, the Holy Bible is not only our history and now, but what’s to come while also being a book of instructions that we must follow. God never says anything in vain. Therefore Deuteronomy 8:3, Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4 all state that we are to live by every word of God. And the greatest sin of mankind is his pride to only do and believe what is comfortable while making his own man made reasons why he can do things that Christ had no part of why justifying everything wrong in his own mind to being right; and then priests, reverends and pastors teach all of the wrongs to their flocks while not even knowing the message of Jesus Christ. Traditional Christianity knows the love of Christ, but that’s all they know with no knowledge of what obedience means and the punishments for disobedience. They also have absolutely no understanding of prophecy concerning the great tribulation and the horrors that are going to come down on a blinded human race with more horrors that the natural mind can even begin to handle let along have any understanding of. <br />
Yet all of the religions of the world today create their own doctrines, ways of life and traditions that can’t even be found in the Bible while they all use self justification for what they do. It comes down to this. We are to study the ways of Christ and become as a perfect duplication. Christ became an overcomer, and the only way to eternal life is too overcome as He overcame the god of this world. <br />
To be an overcomer requires much faith, efforts, prayers and having the desire of only pleasing the Father because that is the mind of Christ. So why do people of God suffer? <br />
Was not Paul a great man of God? Let’s just say for educational purposes these words: Paul had just returned from one of his missionary journeys of doing the will of God as a friend and brother was all excited to see him when he came off the ship and said with an embrace. . .How was your journey Paul? <br />
Well Paul answered and said; “Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once I was stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; In journeyings often, in perils of water, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness. Besides those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches. <br />
Now I ask you this, did Paul have an easy life? When you begin to study and learn about men of God all through history and those present today that none are aware of, you will find that their lives were always very difficult; and that is because God chooses, tests, teaches, watches, chastises and does all things necessary to know that His chosen ones will always remain strong and true; because if He was to resurrect any others that had not been tested for eternal life within His kingdom, how would He know that they would not be rulers that would turn on Him as Lucifer and one third of all the angels did? And with that bear in mind that sin entering into the lives of Eve and then Adam because the subtil serpent fooled Eve into eating of the fruit forbidden by God our creator. Once sin and the ways of darkness entered into the human beings God closed the entrance to the tree of life, because if He did not, any sinful creature could have entered and gained eternal life. Just think of what eternal life full of the sins of this present evil world would be like! So that is why the Cherubims and a flaming sword in Genesis 3:24. <br />
For an individual that has completely surrendered his life to God while only wanting to those things that please Him is following our Lord Jesus Christ because that was His life that we all are to follow, and what is written in the Holy Bible is our only way to do that. <br />
Ever since the creation of Adam and Eve there have been deaths and sufferings. So why should there not be today with a world more evil than ever before? It is only those who become genuinely spiritually minded that can have some understanding of why, and that is because their only teacher is God. How can I say that? Paul says to prove all things, so by God’s own words I shall.<br />
Christ spoke these words in John 15:18-19 that I take very personally because His words describe my life. <br />
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.<br />
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own; but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.<br />
When one lives their life in difficulties with very strong faith while seeing the world as God sees it, he is not of this world. When one has nothing to do with the different churches spread all over this planet, he is not of this world. When one life becomes dependant on only God for all things, he is not of this world. When one puts no trust in man because God says to trust in only Him, that person is not of this world. When one has no other interests in life other then the will of God, it’s because he is not of this world. When ones greatest persecution comes from the church and those within, it’s because he is not of this world. When one has a whole life past that he would never want to repeat because he sees it as only an education of life without God, it’s because he is not of this world. When a man has an eighteen year background with God, and the past three years of very special training on how to live on faith with nothing, it’s because he is not of this world. <br />
When a man after eighteen years with God feels that he is just now at the start of maturity for only strong meat, it is because he is not of this world. When a man looks at Job with great understanding of his message, and at Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego along with Elijah and all great men of God with an understanding that few have, it’s because he is not of this world. <br />
When one knows very well and clearly according to the words of God the pure living nightmares of the worst time of trouble coming upon the USA that has ever been along with all of the false teachings of man, it’s because that person is not of this world. When a man has the scripture to prove his every word including the hundreds of millions that will die and shed their righteous blood all because of all the shepherds that did not properly feed their flocks and how God is going to punish them in shame, it is because he is not of this world. <br />
When a man can take many verses of God personally such as this one below, it is because he is not of this world.<br />
“Hear the word of the Lord, ye that tremble at His word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name sake, said, Let the Lord be glorified: but He shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed. Isaiah 66:5<br />
When a man’s Bible becomes his whole life with no other, it’s because he is not of this world. When a man understands why God searches hearts, it’s because he is not of this world. When one lives in ways that few others could even understand, it’s because he is not of this world. When one has been badly treated, judged, condemned, persecuted, and hated by uncountable false brethren, it’s because he is not of this world. When ones Bible is in three separate sections with duck tape of two different kinds holding sections somewhat in place with very much clear tape all through it holding pages in place that are all marked up like an 18 year old road map too eternity, it’s because he is not of this world. When all one wants twenty four hours of each day is only a closer walk with our Father of the never ending universe, it’s because he is not of this world. When one still loves all that hate him, it’s because he says just as Christ said when He was being crucified, “forgive them father, for they know not what they do.” Therefore is not of this world. <br />
When a person that has gone through one whole life of nothing but unhappiness and regrets along with many times they should have been very dead, only to be totally ******** completely of life people and past only to be placed half way around the world in one of the lowest levels of poverty in all aspects including health only to have their faith to grow so strong that for the first time in their entire 54 years of life they have some happiness because they know without question that God is very pleased with their faith and is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. It’s because they are not of this world. Hebrews 11:6 When a man can read the words in 1 Samuel 2:8 and see just one of his own rewards in God’s time, it’s because he is not of this world. <br />
When a person sleeps and God is there, it’s because they are not of this world. When one prays without ceasing, it’s because they are not of this world. When one completely takes hate and judgment from others with inner peace, it’s because God has told him to expect it, and it will get much worse because I am not of this world. <br />
The Holy Bible is my heartbeat and the words within are my blood flow, and without it I would surely die because it is my life’s support and everything that I am and live for. Therefore am not of this world because our Lord has chosen me out of this world. <br />
And all who don’t believe a word I say I can still love because I am not of this world. <br />
Paul was not of this world because he was led by God’s Spirit or truth that made to to follow Christ and do the will of God rather than the false spirit of error that all church people are today led by while saying they follow Christ, yet doing things Christ had no part of while not understanding His message from the Father because the shepherds don’t teach their flocks. Yet Paul was so human that he spoke these words;<br />
For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. <br />
I may be out of this world spiritually, but I am still but only a human that makes many mistakes while “Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;” for correction. <br />
Those who struggle the greatest in life while having faith that never wavers while seeing a world of others that have so much more will be great in the kingdom of God. Often the harder our life’s circumstances may be the greater God’s plans for our eternity within His government for overcomers. Isaiah 9:6<br />
Timesoftrouble

I have faith in God, the God of the Bible. One thing I still wrestle with is this, why does God let evil-doers prosper and why does he so often allow abundance to evil people while letting those who believe struggle, suffer want and live lives of humiliation. If I could have a meeting with God I would really want to know why he agrees with it. I think the prophet Habbakuk had the same sentiments.

Your words are good with a heart quality that God searches for in all people. Jeremiah 17:10. And once He finds those with hearts that have His own character of love and care for others He will begin chastening you for His purposes. Hebrews 12:5-15<br />
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It’s very important that all who love our Lord with their hearts understand that there will always be a battle in life to fight with faith no matter how difficult things in life may become. And that is why Paul writes in verse 1 . . . “let us run with patience the race that is set before us. Understanding exactly what that race consists of with so many runners is very vital for your understanding to absorb because there may be many in the race, but their run is improper therefore in vain. The only way for a genuine and productive run that will bring your prize in the end is to always look to Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. Don’t look to Him as just the Christ of love, but the Christ that left us all with an example that we are to follow by duplication of His steps and ways. Not your ways or mans ways, or mans traditions that Christ had no part of; but only the exact ways of Christ can make you an overcomer as He overcame this world of flesh and sin with Satan as the god of. Just these last few sentences that you just read is part of what has deceived the world or vast majority of Christians and religious people because they all feel they can just do what they want even though our Lord Jesus who we are to look to for our lead never had any part in what most all do and take part in. <br />
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James 1:29 says it very well with the words;<br />
“But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. <br />
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And where you said;<br />
He has poured out His Holy Spirt on your sons and daughters to enable them to prophecy He has caused men to dream dreams and with all scripture fulfilled<br />
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Those words of Joel 2:28 and Acts 2:17 are yet prophecy to be fulfilled. Within this world today the majority of religious people are walking in blindness due their blind shepherds. The only ones that know truth are the few that are not of this world, not liked and not believed just as Christ said it would be. Our Lord even gives details that by choice people choose not to understand because through deception they feel they know all that is required. Want another verse about God’s Spirit in theses days ahead that are approaching? <br />
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“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor of thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: <br />
Amos 8:11<br />
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God just has told you all plain as day that right now you are hearing His words of truth, but the day is coming when you will find no words of His truth to hear as the great tribulation destroys your life. You best think and pray very hard for God to open your heart and mind to His truth while there is still time.

I would have to agree with timesoftrouble. Amen, there's nothing like understanding God's point of view, that I am greatful for when he cleanses the earth from evil, I do believe that to this day there are good people that have been spared. Woshipt is a loving relationship with our father, I'd walk with the Lord any day than to ever accuse him of doing anything wrong such as lying because those who call upon the Lord He will show them great and mighty things that of which you did not know. And believe me He can change ones' world. God's word is truly God breathed, and the Holy Spirit never strays from what is already written. His truth stands true as far as back then, till it is right now and forevermore. He has poured out His Holy Spirt on your sons and daughters to enable them to prophecy He has caused men to dream dreams and with all scripture fufilled there are billows of clouds both black ones fleeing and white ones comming in. He still to this day show's his promises to be true, how after that experience could I not believe, and see thousands more believe along side me, they were to be baptised and saved. His word is God breathed because I He enabled me to speak once with such power and soft breathing changed my world and of those around me. It was good, and those who call upon the Lord He will show them great and mighty things!