There Are Fundamentalists Acting Like Wood Worms

Among the great uneducated and reactionary class of pele worldwide there are people, women and men, who make statements from ignorance and seek to bludgeon others with their unintelligent dogmatism.

Jesus called Christ who was born a Jew so that he could live according to the Law (of Moses) and fulfill the Law and lead mankind to redemption, I understand (I am Jewish ), so he had to die a Jew. He was not the first Christian, nor was Stephen and the Apostles. It is difficult to pinpoint the identity.

Saul of Tarsus was a Pharisee and probably was the first Christian
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Interesting. The word Christian basically means a follower of Christ. Therefore, any follower of Christ was a Christian before his crucifixion. However, since his teachings were fundimentally Judaic, perhaps at that point, Christainity was a sub-set of Judaism.

As to who was the first Christian, there is a bit of a debate here. The New Testament tells us that there were two ie the first two he called to his ministry being Andrew and Simon. Some argue that it was, in fact, John the Baptist because he was prepairing the way for the coming of Jesus Christ. Andrew and Simon were both disciples of John the Baptist originally.

In historical terms, some consider that Christianity started at Easter because of two reasons. Firstly, as you point out, Christ was a Jew prior to that event. Secondly, the crucifixion, ressurection and ascension are considered to be the collective miracle that heralded Chrsitianity. Others argue that Christianity started with his birth. In this context, perhaps Mary, his mother, was the first Christian.

I think you'll find 'christianity' only came about after the teachings of Paul, the ex-Pharisee who prior to his 'conversion' on the road to Damascus was known as Saul from Tarsus. Joshua ben Joseph, otherwise called Jesus of Nazareth, Jesus the Nazarene, was born, raised and died a Jew. He had to be a Jew in order to fulfil the prophesies and the Law of Moses. The Torah is a perfect law, and no one could live and obey it, Joshua as Messiah, is said to have fulfilled the Law. This is all if you accept Joshua as the Messiah.
Gentiles were considered unclean and not chosen of God, so Christianity was widened out to welcome in those Gentiles who wanted to live the Jewish way, and accept Joshua as their Christ. By their acceptance of the sacrifice of Jesus they were bought from the world by God, and therefore joined his chosen people.
It really is the fact that the Resurrection offered by this new covenant is one which is not for everybody, probably why the history of christianity is now of a 'dying' religion, because 'all are called, but not all will be saved'.
Christianity is only a world religion because of the Romans, and their heirs the Church at Rome.

I could go on, but if you want an interesting book to read, try 'Jerusalem: The biography' by Simon Sebag Montefiore.

i'm a Greek Orthodox Christian. we are of the Eastern Orthodox Chruch which started with the apostles. what you have described above is the catholic world view. not ours. i agree that the conversion of emperor constantine to christianity did much to expand the religion. but his mother was a christian long before that. she had the church of the holy sepulchre built at the the site of the resurrection in Jerusalem. which i have visited many times.

the word gentile is irrelevant to this discussion because it is a hebrew caste classification which has very little to do with belief or religion. the fact that jews still call non-jews by this nomenclature today underscores this point.

the fact that very few jews followed or accepted that Christ was the prophecised messiah is what seperates and causes the distinction between jews as an ethnic group and jews as a religious group.

Sorry, I am a Jewess.

i'm not trying to be argumentative or disparaging here. just trying to give different perspectives to your original post.

have a look at the story i posted about my tattoos. it may give you an insight as to how i feel about Judaism and Israel.

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Hypocrisy!