Dr. Oz Even Says There's a Slim Chance They'll Grow Up Healthy

I understand and have compassion for a single woman to want to have A child. One. But when Nadia decided to go back to the fertility doctor for IVF number 2 and beyond, it was immoral. She made the decision each time to be implanted with embryos from her eggs and her 'friend' who donated *****. Nadia's father claims "It's God's will!" which is a heresy against religious beliefs in the first place and a ridiculous justification.

Then he claims that Nadia thinks of the frozen ***** as "her babies". Frozen ***** are not fertilized embryos yet and are not babies for 9 months after implantation under the best conditions. And still, there's perhaps 250,000 individual ***** in a donation so does that mean she, herself, intends to populate an entire ******* province in China?

Nadia's father, who seems to be seeking fame and fortune (donations) on Oprah, doesn't appear to know Nadia from everything he's said so far. Certainly hasn't been involved in her daily life since her second pregnancy, if living overseas, being surprised she was pregnant with a litter when told on the phone. And his proclamation that he's going to help raise them all, but has $100 in his bank at 67 years old is pointless. While in the next breath, he says he's not sure about his daughter's mental situation.

"Major failure of professionalism," says Dr. Oz. "You risk those lives by implanting all of them at once." Another doctor specializing in infertility spoke on Oprah saying the birth of 8 babies at once is NOT a "good outcome" or one that we'd hope for."

Nadia's entitlement to have a child is not in dispute. Having 6, is in dispute and already pushing it, especially with one autistic child that requires an exceptional amount of attention and finances individually. But telling your quack of a doctor that "yes, I'd like all the embryos implanted, please" is a decision she is not entitled to make. And tells me she is not entirely stable nor is the doctor considering the welfare of his patient let alone the outcome. And who's paying for these IVF treatments which run $30,000 per attempt?

She already needed State and Federal assistance to pay for the costs of raising her well children and SSI for her autistic child. AND she's attempting to get a psychology degree? To treat herself? A single person dedicating every moment and dollar they have to that scholastic endeavor has a difficult time at best. How is it possible to raise 6, now 14, children and go to school for a degree and do well at both? I say that it is impossible.

I think science in America has broken some moral boundaries. I think there's licenses in need of being issued after lengthy testing for anyone wishing to become a candidate for implantation including a background check and credit verification as well as job security. If all that's necessary to hold a menial job at KFC why not for becoming a parent which is perhaps the largest job in the world? Adoption of children already breathing on the planet should be a priority over IVF.

A friend I accompanied to an abortion clinic had to endure hateful, angry religious protesters shouting terrible things in a time when clinics were routinely being bombed. So full of the Love of Christ were they, they felt it was necessary to blame my 15 year old friend for the bloody pictures on their posters. I was quite vocal after some particularly nasty comments shouted at my responsible friend and tried to hurry her inside while shielding her bodily. It is hard enough to make a decision for your own life first before having a full term pregnancy but why didn't any of these protesters offer to take her in, shelter her while she brought it to full term and take the financial burden from her if they want her to just have it and give it up for adoption? But she chose not to have a child that young, to finish school, work, marry and have 2 beautifully healthy children later when they could be properly raised and cared for.

I also know a couple who seek to take in foster children for the assistance monies received, not because they truly care for and love them as much as their own biological 3 year old child. Each actually said this to me, unparaphrased. They consider it a temporary 'arrangement' and it enabled them to afford moving into a much nicer large home while these kids wear Wal-mart clothes and eat no-frills brand foods. They were 10 year old twins from Thailand who spoke no English. I don't think there's a big demand for alternative schooling in Arizona to accommodate Thai children. Where's the Christian morality and logic in any of their actions?

Fourteen babies born to one single woman, a college student, all under 8 years old and she's unable to be financially independent to raise them all? What's wrong with this picture? "God's will" would not be to medically intervene and force these beings into life through such means. Don't religions consider this abomination? I thought "God" wanted birth to be from love, for procreation. Be the fruit of a man and woman's loving bond. Not a clinical procedure on the way to daycare. Reprehensible.

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63 Responses Feb 24, 2009

Oooooh, Twister! Harsh but true.

Thanks, ABL. It confused the readers on her comments. It is my entire story, then her bits at the bottom. I know she has a lot of problems and don't need to poke fun or be mean so at HER request I left her thread. Though, it IS my story and she ignored my requests. Can't argue with the deaf.

well i guess they think 14 more soldiers...

So Tulick has reposted my entire story so she can pick it apart. Not exactly what I meant when I encouraged her to write her own story within this group. But I feel sorry for her. I will refrain from invading her in her space since I have since blocked her from invading mine incessantly just so she can be contrary.<br />
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Nadia DOES have her own website and IS getting public donations. She did have facial augmentation, wonder how it was paid for. She is unemployed, on public assistance and a full time student going for a degree, wonder how that's being paid for. Her house goes into foreclosure at the end of February. Owes $25,000 - spent on another IVF attempt instead of providing stable shelter to the existing brood?<br />
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WANTING children is all well and good, wanting to do IVF 7 times to keep reproducing is NOT. A single mother in best circumstances has trouble with 1, a job and/or school with support of family/friends. And assuming the kid is healthy. Nadia's first 6 kids have MANY healthy issues, who's paying for that?<br />
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If she didn't sleep or go to school, caring for 6 kids with health issues by herself would keep her bouncing. Adding 8 more sickly children to the mix is not going to be a pleasant, healthy or loving environment. ALL 14 are under 8 years old. The task of diapering will keep a staff stressed and busy.<br />
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There is no good outcome here, speaking from a place of wanting the best for the children. I think she is cruel and selfish and this is an horrific ex<x>pression of America's damaged ideals. <br />
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I DO want to limit the reproductive activities of careless, reckless breeders like this woman. Anyone unemployed or mentally unstable should be prohibited from IVF. And encouraged to abort rather than be more of a drain on the system. <br />
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Nadia will require a donation of a big yellow school bus (and a driver) just to transport her family to the Welfare office. Her house's neglected payments are $25,000 which is about $5,000 less than one IVF treatment (one implantation attempt.)<br />
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There is no miracle birth here. These mutants will, not could, WILL HAVE mental disabilities and developmental disabilities and organ trouble ad brain trauma. What grotesque monster would want to seek this situation? Repeatedly? And her self-entitlement is exactly the disgusting basis of this horror. <br />
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If she was independently wealthy to begin with, had a large enough home and bank account to provide stable environment for all of them and for all the required medical attention and she, herself, was well NONE of this would have made the media's attention. Her doctor was neglectful to start with and is under investigation, may lose his license. This is not some random occurrence, the doctor knew 8 was too many to implant and left it up to her.<br />
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And no Tulick, it is not better or cheaper for Nadia to try raising them all herself. Social Service placing them in foster care would be better for the development and individual care of each medically and emotionally needy kid. It's not as though anyone thinks they'll all grow out of their issues and be fine and happy one day. They're all defective and it was unnecessary to do what she's done, ultimately for her own publicity and media attention. Why else would she alter her physical appearance to look more like Angelina? Who has been quoted as saying "How creepy," by the way.

Thanks, PLB! It was intended for a chuckle amid the madness. <br />
Nadia was on Dr Phil today, showing her cluttered, 3 bedroom house which is going up for auction. And she was viewing pix of the offspring still in their incubators but unable to tell them apart. One may be able to come off of life support soon.<br />
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Her older children ob<x>ject to her bringing home the octuplets. She will have to find another place to live immediately that will be large enough to house all of her offspring. She will have to rely on state and federal assistance. <br />
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This whole thing is just so horrific and sad to me. Not even the ****** Dr Phil thinks she's capable of bonding, caring for and attending to the needs of ALL 14 children. Inevitable, it seems, that the state will take them all away from her. <br />
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She doesn't have a family unit to help her raise the previous 6 and all 14 are under 8 years old. Think about that mayhem for a moment. Under the best of circumstances and full support of other family members, half that many kids would be taxing and stressful.<br />
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Add to this mess that there's autism involved, health conditions involved, medications and special needs to care for and attend to then add 8 more infants. It's a small fortune just to keep them diapered. <br />
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NOT TO MENTION her 'darling, precious' family will be consuming more than 7 times the resources of an average family and contributing considerably to LANDFILL overflow and global warming. So disgraceful. Entirely.<br />
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And (here's the Italian New Yorker in me coming out) I wanna kick that ******* smirk off of her damn face in every clip or interview I see her in. <br />
Have a nice day!

I haven't had the chance to read all of this but I will.<br />
However I had to note your comment<br />
"she, herself, intends to populate an entire ******* province in China?"<br />
Too Freaking funny... Omg I was rolling in the aisles.<br />
That is why I love you. :-)

I haven't had the chance to read all of this but I will.<br />
However I had to note your comment<br />
"she, herself, intends to populate an entire ******* province in China?"<br />
Too Freaking funny... Omg I was rolling in the aisles.<br />
That is why I love you. :-)

Yeah, brother Alan, say it baby! SO true. Infertile couples should adopt if their desire is so strong to raise a child. Millions of 'em from all over the world need homes, BUT first why not care for all those in America that need adopting?<br />
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Oh, yeah, I keep forgetting how the infertile couples all believe they're entitled to pass on their own defective genes that prevent them from being fertile in the first place. <br />
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There's Darwinian reasons why the strong survive: to continue to populate, giving forth more strong babies. Not every person should pass on their genes. Ego forces them to do so, at all costs. Oh yeah, but tax payers pick up the tab for Nadia, why not for everyone? That may finally end InVitroFertilization. <br />
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Why not go a step further, like Paris getting a dog to match her outfits, have babies to match your home decor or your vehicle!

I can't believe that people actually believe this is acceptable.<br />
To think that a woman would undergo in vitro fertilization with 8, EIGHT! embryo's is simply fubared without a doubt. Not to mention the points that have already been made about her not having an income, lives at home with her parents and has to live off of government assistance is appalling to say the least! These poor human life forms will have a tough life growing up, especially the ones who require life support for their very existence. As they grow and do not require life support, their health will still require special care for their damage lungs and probably blindness from excessive oxygen use as a neonate. This who issue to me is just plain disgusting and the so called "physican" who did this should be placed under the jail!

What an extreme waste of resources. Our planet is already vastly overpopulated with people. We don't need 8 more that will require an inordinate number of resources to support.<br />
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Let infertile people remain infertile. Maybe they can use their extra time to plant some trees.<br />
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Parenthood is not an inalienable right.<br />
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We should be discouraging it, if anything.

but-but-but-but-it's a MIRACLE! <br />
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so there!

A publicist is for "publicity". They ARE translucent. She is seeking fame and money. Her website is for donations. She had lip augmentation and her hair straightened to look MORE like and be compared to Angelina Jolie. She won the race with Angie by having a litter of 8 in one shot! She didn't try for only 1 baby when she told her quack doctor to implant 8 embryos. It was irresponsible for him to do so at her age. Not medically or morally sound.<br />
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She's being judged so harshly because relying on government support and donations is not a stable or moral platform on which to build a family as a single parent. And she isn't funding the IVF either. Don't tell me this is all about how very much she wants to be a good mom and love and care for each life she's now supposed to support. Many will forever be special needs children. <br />
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That she did IVF to be a single mom ONCE is questionable, since she's an unemployed student. But being allowed to continue ON OUR TAX DOLLARS is what's a big problem. That is not her right or in any way righteous. It is reprehensible.<br />
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Most likely several will turn out to be disabled, have organ defects and brain damage. According to doctors reviewing this birth. At least 1 of her first brood of 6 is autistic...not a small issue and will continue to be emotionally and financially costly. If the autistic kid was her only child and she was an unemployed student, that would keep her family dependent on the welfare system for its lifelong care and development.<br />
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There's no chance of this ordeal being seen as beneficial to any of the childrens' well being. The doctor's ineptitude and unprofessionalism is being investigated and he could lose his license to practice medicine. It all has gone too far. It's no one's right to exploit babies for publicity and donations.<br />
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I think IVF should be allowed on a limited basis not something you do on the way to classes at college. Adopt the millions of babies already born and uncared for.

Delusional Tulick- the creatures are 'thriving'? No, they are being medically supported to survive and it costs several hundred thousand dollars each day. It is absurd to seek to birth so many at once. It would've been medically responsible to implant 2 embryos for one healthy strong pregnancy and child. Thirty years ago, the first 'test tube' baby was scrutinized by conservatives and the religious. Now you defend it tooth and nail. Hysterical!<br />
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Again I encourage you 2 to begin your own group, stories and threads that continue to praise this reproductive freak Nadia.

I don't need a scientific study of their household to admit the fact that there is no way that a single woman can give an adequate amount of love and attention to 14 kids. It's impossible. Like I've said before, perhaps Nadya will succeed in somehow providing enough food and healthcare (yikes) for all of her kids, but as a parent of 4 I would think you would have enough perspective to realize that 4 is hard enough to provide for, even if you're married and successful. Now multiply every problem you experienced that by 350%... or actually probably double that because if you have always had someone helping you raise your kids, that would cut the demand on you by roughly half... and then you have to consider her special needs kids... so let's take a rough guess and multiply all of the issues or problems you experienced with your 4 kids by 800%. Oh, and add in no income. Right, that might make it a little tougher... <br><br><br />
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You don't know the comments that tulick's spewed on other stories, but I do. <br><br><br />
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I can admit that Nadya wants these kids. To me, that doesn't mean much if she's not able to provide them a nurturing environment, which is simply not possible when it's 1 person caring for 14. It wouldn't matter if she was the greatest mother in the world (which she obviously isn't, based on the stories that have been released). How is it a good idea to spend $30k to have more kids when your house is already in foreclosure trying to care for her previous 6? You're defending this delusional woman? Really?

translucent creatures THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS regargless of your stance on where human life begins these kids are born and thriving for their ages and they DO NOT look translucent they are NOT a litter they are a family

nickie don't appologize for what you think especially not to him <br />
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and if i may risk some interpritation the POINT in bringing up those other cases is those were parents who had plenty of money or at least enough and were also neglected <br />
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then we wanna bash and trash this woman we obviously wants her kids

Nickie- You can wear tshirts and tank tops to bare your arms. OH, you meant BEAR ARMS like guns...there's other groups to discuss that. And no one fought and died for the right to SMOKE (tobacco was first farmed by NatAmericans then sold to Europeans) or procreate in a lab. That's not some god given right. And when this was first engineered, conservatives and the religious thought it was heresy (doctors playing god).<br />
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It's medical exploitation and costs $30G and up each try. And too many embryos were implanted in this unstable woman, it is NO miracle. The doctor was seeing dollar $igns since her program was paid for by insurance, as she has NO income. <br />
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Do you understand that raising even 1 child while on public assistance is completely ****** up? But opting to do it to produce 14 medically needy creatures to be dependent on the government teat for much if not all of their lives is CRUEL? She is not providing for them, OUR TAX dollars are. Why don't you go to her website and donate to help raise them, too.<br />
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tulick- our right to honest opinions has been impinged upon for 8 years because of the Bush Admin. The media was restricted from showing caskets returning from Iraq. Anyone disagreeing with the illegal war in Iraq was automatically labeled "unpatriotic" and "unsupportive of the troops". You are blathering on and on without a coherent point to make.<br />
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Tulick and Nickie are invited to write your own stories and even start your own group about how wonderfully precious the translucent creatures birthed in a litter to Nadia really are! Collect donations to send her!

I am also a parent of 4 boys. We have not always been financially comfortable, however, all of my guys are successful so far!!! I am not "fawning" over this woman, I am simply stating that as long as the family is happy and healthy who are we to judge. There is absolutely no proof of any abuse of those children as of now. Crowded living does not constitute abuse. So, no, I do not feel right judging this situation, PERIOD, much less based on some judgmental hypocritical opinions.(not yours) We do not know the actual facts of this family & their plight. I wish every parent all of they want and need to be a good parent.(not simply financial comfort) I do notice that you are a very "opinionated person" as you have completely slammed 2 people in the course of our correspondence. I have not made it my business to investigate Tulick's character, therefore, I am left with 1 option, I chose to respect myself and Tulick by enjoying our correspondence as I am thoroughly enjoying our "banter" Look forward to your response.

thanks for the invite, sorry if too politically abrasive!!!!

whoa, give me a sec, nickie. It might not look like it based on how much I've been on this thread, but occasionally I do comment on other stories. <br />
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In my state we make exceptions for casinos and bars when it comes to smoking, but all restaurants have been made smoke free, which I agree with. There simply is no way for an adequate ventilation system to prevent smoke from reaching those that don't want to smoke and only want to eat in peace. <br />
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I'm not sure why you bring up those other examples of hideous abuse, unless if it's to somehow justify this 'milder' version of abuse coming from Nadya. Self respect and respect of other's rights would go a long way towards fixing problems, but I'm not sure how fawning over this irresponsible mom helps achieve that. Fawning is exactly what Tulick has been doing in this thread and elsewhere, she refuses to admit the errors in judgement that Nadya has made. It's a miracle, remember. <br />
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I guess it's your interpretation of what constitutes "the basics" in regards to whether or not you feel justified in criticizing Nadya. I am a parent to be, and I include love and attention to be among the required "basics" for raising a child, not just food, water, clothes, and shelter.

No comment Whattup!?

TULICK, Thank You for the support. I am glad to see that there are still other self respecting patriots out there!!!!

whattup, I see your point, however we will have to agree to disagree on this point.!(SMILE) I think every parent has the God given right to spank their children{NOT BEAT THEM- SPANK THEM} I do not see what was wrong with sectioning!!!! I am a bartender {a non-smoker}and I am well aware of the second hand smoke issues. The woman may well have too many children for her own good, but, if she loves them and provides the basics then who are we to say a GD thing!!!! What about the mom with the only child who cried too much for her liking, so WHOOPS!!! SHE SENT HIM SAILING OUT HER 87th floor penthouse window wearing his brand new Baby Phat outfit, or the baby whos rich parents are never at home. There are all types of abuse and misuse, my point is simple RESPECT YOURSELF AND THE RIGHTS YOU HAVE BEEN AFFORDED, ALL ELSE WILL FOLLOW!!!! You of all people should KNOW if you respect yourself, it will come naturally for you to respect everything around you.. How many drunk folks have you seen that have no respect for themselves or anyone else, yet there are the same drunk folks that are the sweetest!!! If we could all begin with SELF RESPECT then this world would be a whole lot better off!!! I am sure you have heard the old saying "MIND YOUR OWN & YOU WILL LIVE LONG"

actually she's quite wrong, as I pointed out. Either of you care to dispute my last post?

"whether we like it or not this is her right!!!!!RIGHTS!!!!REMEMBER THOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />
We as a people have been allowing the F%$&G government {local and federal} to slowly but surely take away the rights that our forefathers fought/died for!!!! EXAMPLES: no smoking in public facilities((Iam a non smoker) areas that require hired lawn care/ parking bans/ limited use of media/ THE RIGHT TO BARE ARMS~!!~ CERTAIN types of liscensing and the list goes on!!! Fact of the matter is if we don't start fighting the limiting legislation SOON we will be in a near communist type of situation. Even our right to a opinion is limited!!! THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE!!!!!"<br />
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you are SOOOOOOOOOOOOO RIGHT

nickie, we do have rights and personal freedoms, but only if they are not harming others. Hence the non-smoking in public places due to second hand smoke. I worked in a casino and I know all about second hand smoke and how damaging it is to non-smokers. <br />
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We have rights and freedoms, but we don't have rights to abuse others, which is what she is doing to her children. Child services step in and take children away from abusive parents, because it is not the parents right to abuse their kids. They have a right to the protection of their body and their rights. <br />
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You are fear-mongering with the communist comments, the US is far away from socialism much less communism. Please look up facts before you spew empty rhetoric provided by the extreme right wing.

i agree with all of you i have 4 kids and all born natural and no ivf but to have 14 altogether and living with her mother is abit much i think it is hard enough looking after 4 let alone 14...

whether we like it or not this is her right!!!!!RIGHTS!!!!REMEMBER THOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />
We as a people have been allowing the F%$&G government {local and federal} to slowly but surely take away the rights that our forefathers fought/died for!!!! EXAMPLES: no smoking in public facilities((Iam a non smoker) areas that require hired lawn care/ parking bans/ limited use of media/ THE RIGHT TO BARE ARMS~!!~ CERTAIN types of liscensing and the list goes on!!! Fact of the matter is if we don't start fighting the limiting legislation SOON we will be in a near communist type of situation. Even our right to a opinion is limited!!! THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE!!!!!

actually if she had just had one she would have NO need for a publisist <br />
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and the POINT in bringing up those other faimlies is the double standard based on puritanical vaules gone to the extreme when it comes to public opinion

Why do you always bring up those other families? Is anyone here fawning over the fad of ridiculously large families and singling this woman out? Perhaps the reason she receives so much scorn is because of her personal details which I seemingly have to keep repeating to you ad nauseum. I'm not sure why I do, you never acknowledge the cold hard facts of her miserable life. <br />
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She didn't "have" to hire a publicist. She didn't "have" to have any of this happen. It was her choice. Even if she would have ended up with only 1 additional child at her last treatment, she still would have been a single mom with no income and 7 kids, a few of them special needs. <br />
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Granted, that situation probably wouldn't have gotten her enough of the attention she craves so much, so perhaps she would have kept trying again and again until she got a family outrageous enough to garner that much desired attention.

well her own father admits she's better than his own mother who was harelded as great <br />
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i was 1 kid and my mother could have cared less about me regreted having me the moment i had a personality <br />
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i was 1 kid ended up with a disability <br />
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and i DO care about their quality of life that is why i can't stand posts like this because instead of getting the love support volunteer help finacial support given to the Dilley's the McCaughey's the Gosselins she''s getting scorn ad outrage <br />
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what does that do to her existing 6 <br />
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we b*ch about the cost of these kids but what about the cost of these kids what about the cost of the publisist she had to hire or the security and safe house she needed because of the death threats

I said I was done reading your posts, Tulick, but apparently I could not resist. It's as if I'm a fly and your posts are piles of manure. <br><br />
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I see that turning up the volume in my last post had no effect on you, you continue to ignore inconvenient facts and preach your filth. <br />
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You say I'm "willing to throw this woman and by default her 14 kids under the bus"? Don't you get it yet? I'm outraged FOR these children, I'm outraged because of what this psychopath is doing TO her children. I'm not throwing them under the bus. <br><br />
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You are the one that has shown time and again that you care nothing for the quality of life that this batch of kids will have. To you, the only thing that matters is that they're alive. Who cares that their lives are going to be miserable and they won't receive adequate love and attention from her. They can't, there's not enough of her love and attention to go around. <br><br />
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How important and precious would you feel if you were 1 of 14 other kids? All of these kids are going to have their own personalities, their own hopes and fears, their own quirks. She won't even get the chance to really know her kids because she had so many. <br><br />
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It's a tragedy, and one that should have been avoided. Someone should have stopped her from getting that last treatment and told her to go home and care for the ones she already had. Instead she pawns them off on her mom to watch. <br><br />
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Pathetic.

"what would make me say such a stupd thing" how bout what you and all the country are saying about this woman how bout if your willing to throw this woman and by default her 14 kids under the bus you should not be having any of your own (that goes for anyone who supports your train of thought as well)

tulick, since we're giving out advice I'll give you some: how about you do the world a favor and keep your ignorant advice to yourself. <br />
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Since you want to make this about me, fine. <br />
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My wife is 18 weeks pregnant with our first child. Incidentally, we both have jobs and medical coverage, so we're only about a million times more prepared to give a quality upbringing to our child than this psychopathic woman. We have an ultrasound tomorrow and we'll hopefully find out the gender. Looks like you're a little late on that sterilization wish. <br />
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What kind of ignorance leads you to say such a stupid thing? Do you think I hate babies? That's absurd. I love babies. I hate what THIS woman has done because she is ABUSING her children. You, and too much of our retarded media, place her on a g0ddamn pedestal. <br />
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It would be a different matter if this woman was never able to get pregnant and had no kids and went in for an IVF fertilization and ended up with a batch. But this crazy broad already had more kids than she could properly care for. Her mother was already run ragged helping her take care of the first 6 kids. And now she's more than doubling that total. What part of reality are you too stubborn to realize? <br />
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No amount of WANTING your kids will feed them or cover their astounding medical costs, especially when her house was already going into foreclosure BEFORE she popped out another 8. <br />
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You complain about America being deaf, but how about you? We'll try the turning up the volume:<br />
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SHE ALREADY HAD 6 G0DDAMN KIDS.<br />
SHE IS SINGLE. <br />
SHE HAS NO INCOME. <br />
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You continue to ignore these pesky facts and repeat your asinine points that she "wants" her kids and it's a miracle. Oh yeah, also that we are NOT Communist China. <br />
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It is immoral to bring more kids into the world than you can give proper care for. Proper care includes love and affection, and her kids are going to have very small rations of love from her because she will be spread so thin. <br />
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I'm done reading your willfully ignorant posts.

you 2 do the world a favor DON"T HAVE KIDS in fact i would vote for steralizing you 2 before repermanding her <br />
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all of America seems deaf to the fact she wanted 1 and got 8 and WANTING your kids goes a LOOOOOOOOOOONG way let me tell you

I'd be impressed if she remembers names for them all or just tattoos them with numbers, or UPC codes to scan and get their medical data as well as name.<br />
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It will continue to cost many hundreds of thousands before the translucent litter is stable enough to go home with the rest of the brood.<br />
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A few months ago, the family of 18 made the news for coughing out yet another infant. They are a married, religiously devout couple providing more souls for the Lord to save. They named ALL of them with them same initial, he had trouble but she was able to rattle off all the names by chronological placement in their brood. WTF??? Nothin' like populating your own Amish village. At least they are self sufficient. Nadia never will be. I think its criminal.

You keep retreating to your desire to look at this situation through rose colored glasses. You refuse to confront the harsh reality: that this mentally unstable woman is abusing her children. Abusing them with neglect. It is physically impossible for a parent to give an adequate amount of time and care and bonding with their children when they are a single parent... and that single unemployed parent has 14 kids. <br />
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Through assistance and the generosity of others, she may...MAY... be able to provide enough food and supplies for her litter, but she will NOT have any chance of providing each of them with any meaningful amount of love and care and attention. It will be impressive if their grandparents will even be able to keep all of their names straight. <br />
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There are schools which boast a lower student-to-teacher ratio than her household. <br />
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But by all means, go on babbling about how it's a miracle that all 8 of them lived. Perhaps other women will aspire to break her record! Oh if they do, I so hope that those future Nadya's have the good sense to have NO income while they strive towards 20 kids. Maybe it will be a homeless girl with a drug habit that can set a record and have 10 kids at once, and then do it several more times. Won't that be a glorious day! We can all ooh and ahh over them and give them a tv show and a book deal. We'll ignore the way they're neglected at home because we just want to focus on the 'miracle' of it all, not the cold hard reality of responsibility.

why is it allowable because America is still a free country <br />
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this is NOT comunist China

And you apparently forgot my question to you, so I'll ask it again: <br />
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Why is it a good idea (or even allowable) for a single mom with no income and 6 kids (some with special needs) to spend $30,000 to try to have even 1 more child? <br />
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HELLO! Anyone home, MCFLY?!

yes i do choose to focus on the miraclous nature of the birth because that has been LOST for the love of trashing this mother who wanted ONE more child ended up with 8 more and everyone acts like that was a purposeful act<br />
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you forget that these are the LONGEST surviving octuplets in existance in the US they are the FIRST set of multiples who did not need ventallaters <br />
HELLO

I don't think the kids are the only ones with special needs. How f'd up must a mother be to endanger the children she already has and still want more of them. It's one thing to crave attention, this is disturbing.

You choose to focus only on the miraculous nature of their birth... you ignore their situation and reality. <br />
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That is why I said your position is morally reprehensible and intellectually indefensible.

Explain why you think Nadya's actions are admirable. Most of the world can see why her selfish and stupid actions will only bring more misery to her children's lives...why don't you tell us why we're all wrong? <br />
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You have not answered why you think it's a good idea for a single mom with no income and 6 kids (a few of which have special needs) to spend $30,000 to get impregnated and further impoverish her existing children? Is love from 6 kids not enough for a single person? If she has such a pathologically selfish need for attention, then why wouldn't she adopt? Oh, that's right! I forgot - She would never be able to adopt in that situation because she wouldn't even be able to prove she could provide for her existing children, much less adding more to the pile...

"tulick's position is morally reprehensible and intellectually indefensible."<br />
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there's your answer

Your post is confusing, please explain.

not it isn't <br />
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its who gives a crap what this woman did

tulick's position is morally reprehensible and intellectually indefensible.

It is astounding how zealots always seek out opposing viewpoints JUST to spread their particular brand of delusional beliefs upon the unlistening, unwilling Pagans who couldn't care less about the opinions. Stay in your own group and send Nadia YOUR money in donations.<br />
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Thanks to W12, Jojo, UC and all else with a brain and conscience. Your comments are appreciated. Missed a bit since I posted this story last night, huh?

But those 6 kids are so selfish, I mean, it's much better for a single mom with no income to spend $30k on a procedure to have more kids, right? I'm sure that money couldn't have gone to better use on the 6 she already had. <br />
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How can anyone like tulick defend the horrible actions of this unstable woman? <br />
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Like I said, GIVE ME A F*CKING BREAK!

what point?

and you missed the point

You didn't answer why a single mom with no income and 6 kids needs 1 to 8 more.

ahhh but you are forgetting her pevious pegnacies that took 6 to8 embryos to get at most twins <br />
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and only 6 were implanted 2 split into twins

Yes, because a single woman with 6 children (several with special needs) and no income SHOULD want 1 or 2 more kids... give me a f*cking break. Since you seem to be so pro-life, how about quality of life? Will she even be able to tell her litter apart and call them by name?

I think there's licenses in need of being issued after lengthy testing for anyone wishing to become a candidate for implantation including a background check and credit verification as well as job security. If all that's necessary to hold a menial job at KFC why not for becoming a parent which is perhaps the largest job in the world? <br />
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because this is NOT communist china <br />
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because the LAST thing we want the goverment doing is legislating reproductive rights <br />
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and why is it that you and others support the right to termanate life without question but are so hell bent on hating a woman who wants to honnor life <br />
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that is called hypocrisy <br />
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she wanted ONE more child not 8 her pervious treatments w/ the same ammount of embyos created at most twins by all logic and predicbility given her history this should not have haappened <br />
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and no one should be doing crdit checks for a fast food job that should be illigal inless you are working with finances of some kind <br />
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what is TRULY disgusting is the attitude toward this woman and more importantly the 8 wonderful beings that are now alive and well that wouldn't be in too many of you were in the drivers seat

Agreed. That doctor should have prescribed medication and counseling, not given her more babies.

We're talking about this over on niceguyinhell's blog:<br />
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http://niceguyinhell.blogs.experienceproject.com/104047.html<br />
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Admission is free, but if you like his writing please donate $1 at the bottom of the page to help him keep it up. <br />
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If you don't like it, please donate $2 to make him stop. <br />
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lol

I saw an EP question: "Why do Doctors feel is Ok to give fertility drugs to a woman who has given birth to six children already?" <br />
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I answered: I just see no logic involved with fertility drugs, just selfishness. There are already too many children alive that need stable, loving homes. Adopt those if you cannot procreate. There is a Darwinian reason they can't pass on their genes. Care instead for a living being already taking up space and resources on this planet.<br />
This is why no one can easily afford health care in America, when this $30-$50,000 endeavor is covered by insurance.

Thank you, ABL. Love and hugs sister.

Certainly not 7 times resulting in 14 children! As an elementary school child, I knew then I didn't want my own kids when I grew up. I have issues about overpopulation and disappearing resources as well.

I certainly don't believe in 'no children'. I plan to be a midwife but I agree that if you don't have the resources to look after children then there is no good reason to force procration by way of IVF.

Thanks for the comments. I plan to read the other stories in this group. I saw the group title and had to join and share this venting. My other stories reflect similar sentiments to what I posted here. I am Happily Childfree!

Very intriguing point of view. You have some strong and valid opinions on this one. I can't say I'm personally familiar with this occurance but it's somewhat of an outrage.