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Old Testament God Is A Wicked Wicked Beast.

I don't even know where to begin, the resources on evilbible.com come to mind, as does the essay by Tim Maroney "even if i did believe" as well. Yahweh is a genocidal maniac who demands you worship him or suffer his wrath in the ultimate concentration camp, eternity in the lake of fire. and why? Why all of this never in the bible is it argued that god is doing this stuff for a greater purpose, it's only argued that it is for his greater glory. I'm sorry, but the gnostic logic that a god like this could not possibly be the divine one makes perfect sense, from the immortal realm of Barbelo. Oh how we need you.

I think the churches have -deliberately- hidden the gnostic scriptures from their followers and -deliberately- tried to stop gnosis for their political ambitions. It's amazing how many people are out there that are literally drones of the brainwashing. Watch, one on here will literally call me the antichrist, and yet I believe that we should love our neighbors as ourselves and that we should treat others how we want to be treated. I for one would want someone to deprogram the brainwashing and make me aware of how the wool has been pulled over my eyes. The arguments against the Gnostics are always that they use an inverted hermetic to judge the old testament god as evil, but once you're willing to at least try to see it thru their eyes it makes perfect sense. The only reason the churches have released this information now is because they hold such power that people -hate- knowledge and don't want to hear what I’m trying to say. If anyone were to rise forth and call me "the devil incarnate" they would be among the brainwashed masses.

Why now? Why release the kabbalah, ancient heremeticism, the kybalion, the gnostic scriptures, why make the world aware of all the debate before the council of nicea NOW? Because.... the people are so brainwashed if you try to wake them up they will think you are crazy...
ManifestoOfThePhoenix ManifestoOfThePhoenix 26-30, M 6 Responses May 20, 2011

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I am a gnostic christian as well, and it would behoove you to learn some history. It is not so much brainwashing as an overwhelming amount of steps that occurred in history, in order for Constantine Athenasius and no, not the council of Nicaea, i think Sylvia Browne brainwashed uneducated gnostics with that lil piece, but the council of trent and the council of chalceon, and the events that occured with the bishop of Egypt in 363 B.C.E. i do not even want to respond to prior posts, except that 43. percent of Rabbi's are homosexual, they are akay with it, but i am sensitive to your level of education, you may be young and a little unmentored. I trained at Stanford and studied 8 religions , all that were fascinating, but nothing captivated me like the Nag Hammadi scriptures, which I hope you read, but reading your posts, i think you have not, it is the gnostic bible, and part of the canons that were looked over and not included in the 27 books of the new testament canon.

indeed, it's a bit complex for me, what would you recommend?

Jehovah did not direct the rape of anyone. That is a malicious, despicable lie!



Israelite soldiers were allowed to marry captives, but had to treat them with the same rights and respect due to an Israelite wife. Deuteronomy 21:10-13 reads, "In case you go out to the battle against your enemies and Jehovah your God has given them into your hand and you have carried them away captive; and you have seen among the captives a woman beautiful in form, and you have got attached to her and taken her for your wife, you must then bring her into the midst of your house. She must now shave her head and attend to her nails [for hygienic reasons], and remove the mantle of her captivity from off her and dwell in your house and weep for her father and her mother a whole lunar month; and after that you should have relations with her ["your wife"], and you must take possession of her as your bride, and she must become your wife."



Moreover, you forget that Jehovah reminded Israel, "“Do not say in your heart when Jehovah your God pushes them away from before you this, ‘It was for my own righteousness that Jehovah has brought me in to take possession of this land,’ whereas it is for the wickedness of these nations that Jehovah is driving them away from before you. It is not for your righteousness or for the uprightness of your heart that you are going in to take possession of their land; in fact, it is for the wickedness of these nations that Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you, and in order to carry out the word that Jehovah swore to your forefathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And you must know that it is not for your righteousness that Jehovah your God is giving you this good land to take possession of it; for you are a stiff-necked people." - Deuteronomy 9:4-6



Adverse judgments from God have always resulted because wicked people adamantly refuse to abandon a bad course, not because Jehovah enjoys killing people. Divine justice was carried out when God’s executional forces—the Israelite armies—destroyed the inhabitants of the land of Canaan. The fact that God chose to use humans to carry out this judgment, rather than fire or flood, did not diminish the sentence.



As a respecter of life, however, God did not sanction indiscriminate killing. For example, when the residents of one Canaanite city, Gibeon, asked for mercy, Jehovah granted it. (Joshua 9:3-27) Would a bloodthirsty war god have done this? No, but a God who loves peace and justice would.—Psalm 33:5; 37:28.



You also overlook the fact that only the nations of Canaan were the targets of Jehovah's divine justice. As far as any other nation Israel encountered, they couldn't just go in and wage war with them. Deuteronomy 20:10-14 explains, “In case you draw near to a city to fight against it, you must also announce to it terms of peace. And it must occur that if it gives a peaceful answer to you and it has opened up to you, it must even occur that all the people found in it should become yours for forced labor, and they must serve you. But if it does not make peace with you, and it actually makes war with you and you have to besiege it, Jehovah your God also will certainly give it into your hand, and you must strike every male in it with the edge of the sword. Only the women and the little children and the domestic animals and everything that happens to be in the city, all its spoil you will plunder for yourself; and you must eat the spoil of your enemies, whom Jehovah your God has given to you."



If you notice here, these cities were not to be devoted to destruction. Women, children and domestic animals had to be spared. Again I ask, would a bloodthirsty war god have done this? No. But Jehovah did because He is not a bloodthirsty war god.



All those whose execution He mandated of Canaan deserved it because of their extreme wickedness - "It is only of the cities of these peoples that Jehovah your God is giving you as an inheritance that you must not preserve any breathing thing alive, because you should without fail devote them to destruction, the Hit´tites and the Am´or·ites, the Ca´naan·ites and the Per´iz·zites, the Hi´vites and the Jeb´u·sites, just as Jehovah your God has commanded you; in order that they may not teach YOU to do according to all their detestable things, which they have done to their gods, and YOU may indeed sin against Jehovah YOUR God." (Deuteronomy 20:16-18)



Likewise, all those who insist on practicing sin and wickedness will forfeit their lives at Armageddon along with Satan and his demons when Jehovah finally frees the good from their malevolence. As a God of justice, Jehovah will not allow these to disrupt the peace and security of the innocent.

Right but often times what's considered "Extreme evil" by the jews is ...treating women as equals....

Having sex for pleasure and not procreation.

Not putting a sheet between you and the partner you're sleeping with.....

not circumcizing your children...


being gay....being a lesbian..


being transgendered...

any form of magick....

It's not just that, Genesis is pretty much a Retelling of the tale in Sumeria, Egypt and Babylonia. It was the garden of EDIN, and pretty much humans were created to mine GOLD and Enki taught them too much so Anu got pissed and tried to drown us all and Enki rescued and then Anu got really pissed off... and threw us out of the garden of EDIN-this became Eden, with us blamed for daring to taste of the fruit of knowledge.

The knowledge Enki taught us, about Chakras about opening the chakras, about "Chi" and lifeforce energy-Yep. That's what the "Snake" taught us. But because HE Taught us, we were blamed for someone elses action.... Therefore 3000+ years of spiritual SLAVERY has profited from the jewish intereptation of the bible.

I'm no believer in "nibiru" but from what i can tell the sumerians had an EXTRMEELY different version of events for what went down and those who gave us knowledge and tried to liberate us were called the fallen angels.

In essence our leaders, in society have at one end condemned us, told us to not EVER Dare study the occult because that was "Satanic" and going down that route would be poisonous-all while keeping the knowledge to themselves and working behind closed doors using everything they were trying to hide.

Christianitiy is just spiritual bondage to me, nothing more. Christ said he came to set us free, and I tend to believe christ, but I believe christ was trying to give us a far more eastern mythology than came down in the bible, and ironically, if you really do your research you'd find most of what they condemned as being satanic came from the far east.

While the Bible candidly relates Jehovah God’s past adverse judgments you must bear in mind that they were always against wicked people. For example, it was not until the earth of Noah’s day became “filled with violence” that Jehovah said: “Here I am bringing the deluge of waters upon the earth to bring to ruin all flesh in which the force of life is active.” (Genesis 6:11, 17) Regarding another judgment, it was only because the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah had “abandoned themselves to sexual immorality and were bent on perverted sensuality” that God caused it to “rain sulfur and fire.”—Jude 7, The New Berkeley Version; Genesis 19:24.



Did God relish bringing all flesh to ruin in Noah’s day? Or did he derive some fiendish pleasure from destroying the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah? For an answer, let us look at the events surrounding the Flood of Noah’s day. After stating that God would wipe wicked mankind off the surface of the ground in order to cleanse the earth of violence, the Bible says: “Jehovah . . . felt hurt at his heart.” Yes, it grieved God that “every inclination of the thoughts of [man’s] heart was only bad all the time.” Hence, to save as many as possible from the impending Deluge, God dispatched Noah, “a preacher of righteousness,” to sound a warning message and to build an ark for preservation.—Genesis 6:3-18; 2 Peter 2:5.



Adverse judgments from God have always resulted because wicked people adamantly refuse to abandon a bad course, not because Jehovah enjoys killing people. But you may wonder, ‘Did not Jehovah encourage the Israelites to war with the Canaanites and to annihilate them?’



Spiritism, child sacrifice, sadistic violence, and various forms of perverted sex worship were the order of the day. As a God of justice who exacts exclusive devotion, Jehovah could not allow these disgusting practices to disrupt the peace and security of innocent people, especially Israel. (Deuteronomy 5:9) For example, imagine if the community in which you live was without a reputable police force or militia to enforce the laws of the land—would that not lead to anarchy and violence of the worst kind? Similarly, Jehovah was compelled to act against the Canaanites because of their licentiousness and the real danger they posed to pure worship. Therefore, he decreed: “The land is unclean, and I shall bring punishment for its error.”—Leviticus 18:25.



Divine justice was carried out when God’s executional forces—the Israelite armies—destroyed the Canaanites. The fact that God chose to use humans to carry out this judgment, rather than fire or flood, did not diminish the sentence. Thus, when warring with the seven nations of Canaan, the Israelite armies were instructed: “You must not preserve any breathing thing alive.”—Deuteronomy 20:16.



As a respecter of life, however, God did not sanction indiscriminate killing. For example, when the residents of one Canaanite city, Gibeon, asked for mercy, Jehovah granted it. (Joshua 9:3-27) Would a bloodthirsty war god have done this? No, but a God who loves peace and justice would.—Psalm 33:5; 37:28.





Time and again, the Bible associates God’s blessing with peace. That is because Jehovah is a lover of peace, not war. (Numbers 6:24-26; Psalm 29:11; 147:12-14) Consequently, when King David desired to build a temple of worship to Jehovah, God told him: “You will not build a house to my name, for a great deal of blood you have spilled on the earth before me.”—1 Chronicles 22:8; Acts 13:22.



While on earth, the Greater David, Jesus Christ, spoke of a time when God’s love of justice would no longer allow him to tolerate the present-day evil we see. (Matthew 24:3, 36-39) As he did in the Flood of Noah’s day and in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, God will soon take judicial action to rid the earth of selfish, wicked men, thus paving the way for peaceful conditions to exist under his heavenly Kingdom rule.—Psalm 37:10, 11, 29; Daniel 2:44.



Clearly, Jehovah is not the bloodthirsty God you accuse him of being . On the other hand, he does not shrink back from exacting judicial punishment when it is due. God’s love of goodness requires that he act in behalf of those who love him by destroying the wicked system that oppresses them. When he does so, true peace will flourish earth wide as the truly meek ones unitedly worship Jehovah, “the God of peace.”—Philippians 4:9.

wickedness? really? Always?

ou hear a lot from Christians about Yahweh's "infinite compassion and mercy". Tell it to the Midianites. Numbers 31 is a classic example of wholesale slaughter and rape under the direction of Yahweh. A sample of this tale: "They waged the campaign against Midian, as Yahweh had ordered Moses, and they put every male to death.... The sons of Israel took the Midianite women captive with their young children, and plundered all their cattle, all their flocks and all their goods. They set fire to the towns where they lived and all their encampments.... Moses was enraged with the commanders of the army ... who had come back from this military expedition. He said, 'Why have you spared the life of all the women? ... So kill all the male children. Kill also all the women who have slept with a man. Spare the lives only of the young girls who have not slept with a man, and take them for yourselves.'" Yes, friends, this is infinite mercy and compassion for you. I particularly like the way that Moses got upset with them for sparing women and male children, but allowed the young girls to be kept for later raping. If only humans could keep to such lofty standards without the necessity of divine revelation.

This wasn't the first time the Hebrews harassed the Midianites (although it was obviously the last...) Earlier, in Chapter 25 to be precise, Israel settled in Midian. Rather than toss the Hebrews out on their ear from this land of limited resources, the Midianites - well, I'll let the author of Numbers tell it: "The [Hebrews] gave themselves over to debauchery with the daughters of Moab. These invited them to the sacrifices of their gods, and the people ate and bowed down before their gods. With Israel thus committed to the Baal of Peor, the anger of Yahweh blazed out against them. Yahweh said to Moses: 'Take all the leaders of the people. Impale them for Yahweh, here in the sun; then the burning anger of Yahweh will turn away from Israel.' Moses said to the judges in Israel, 'Every one of you must put to death those of his people who have committed themselves to the Baal of Peor.'"

Now that is written in a rather negatively-connotated fashion. Look at what actually happened: Israel arrived in Midian. The Midianites welcomed them like kinfolk. They let them date their daughters; they invited them to come to Church. Right neighbourghly reception, if you ask me. Some of the Hebrews, no doubt impressed by the friendly ways of these people, took up the local customs of their own free will. So what does Moses do? He puts spears through them and lets them rot in the sun. Who's the bad guy here? I'd say it's pretty obvious. Neither apostacy or fornication deserve the death penalty - or do you think we should start frying unwed mothers and those who leave their religion, by Federal law?

Right on the heels of this comes a plague. This is blamed by the Hebrews on one Zimri, who had the incredible gall to actually marry a Midianite woman! Fortunately, a zealous son of Israel speared them both right through the genitals, and the plague went away. Now we moderns know that disease just doesn't work that way, but a more important objection concerns a point of Biblical trivia. Of what nationality was Zipporah, the wife of Moses? You have five seconds ... That's right, she was a Midianite! But for some reason Moses' genitals were allowed to remain intact. This makes marriage to a Midianite seem like less than a capital offense.

I don't think the firstborn in Egypt during the captivity would have agreed with the verdict of compassion and mercy (Ex. 11:5,12:29). Yahweh could have teleported the Jews out of captivity without bloodshed, or put the Egyptians to sleep while they left, but no. That wouldn't be gory and exciting enough for him. Now rivers of blood, killing innocent children: there's something you can really sink your teeth into.

It was due to Yahweh's hardening of Pharoah's heart in the first place that made the later cruelties necessary. And why? Yahweh explains to Moses in Ex. 11:9, "Pharoah will not listen to you; so that my wonders may be multiplied in the land of Egypt." Wonderful. All those children and adults tortured and killed, for the same reason that would lead one of us today to set off fireworks. This is immorality, pure and simple.

The entire book of Joshua is a long sequence of atrocities. I have not given all these quotes for space reasons - I urge you to look them up for yourself. If you are not shocked, then your moral standards must be low indeed.

Of course, you will sometimes hear rationalizations of this slaughter. There are two major forms: the corruption argument and the mercy argument. The former says that those slaughtered were evil and deserving of their fate; the latter says that since they were religiously incorrect, it was a mercy to terminate their existence.

The corruption argument simply does not hold up. The people slaughtered in the Old Testament were almost uniformly blameless (with a few exceptions, of course - for instance, the Sodomites violated the conventions of hospitality.) Usually, no justification is offered beyond the fact that since they were of another tribe, it was OK to kill them. And it goes without saying that the hordes of slaughtered children were innocent.

As to the mercy argument: They shoot horses, don't they? However, people are not animals to be destroyed against their will in the name of mercy. If I don't claim to be suffering, and don't ask to die, neither you nor any god has the right to decide that you know better. If a person tried to do this to me, I would shoot him; if a god tried, well, the only weapon I would have would be withholding

i agree fully.little children,especially are brainwashed from the beginning and,very few,by the time they are teens(like i was myself) convert to being Gnostic.

If you're not crazy, you're not really alive. Conformity is the only hell I know of.

I couldn't agree more. As a young child I went to a private christian school, and every wednesday they had a church service. Of course nobody had a choice if they wanted to go or not, and even as a child I didn't fully understand it.



I can't stand these religious fanatics. It's one thing to believe in god, but to force it down everyone's throat is really not necessary. i mean it's just like jehovah witnesses, I think it's wrong for people to go door to door and try to persuade to convert to their religion. In my opinion that should be illegal. That sounds a lot more like a cult to me than a religion.



i guess it's easier to believe in some invisible man in the sky than to admit we have not the slightest idea what happens after death.