The Navy Sucks

   I'm in the navy and its nowhere near as cool as i thought it was going to be. Anyone thinking about joining remember that recruiters are salesmen, and they're selling the navy to you. Making it sound great and everything but it's really just longer hourse (usually) than you already work. They also expect you to help the community and the command. It's just not worth being seperated from your family and friends for the benefits.
Travis Travis
18-21, M
79 Responses Jul 3, 2007

what pissed me off I'm navy reserve it the waiting. I can be early for something but if an officer walks in they help them first I'm always second.

riddle me this.

you're (anybody who'll respond) in the navy. would you say its easy? would you say, if it wasnt easy for you, that this is the best decision you've made? would you say, that, there's no other option for you outside of the navy? gotta do 20 and get that retirement?

i cant say the navy is hard. honestly in the grand scheme of things, it was the easiest thing i've ever done in my life, that's while i tried to make it as hard as possible on my own terms. i like challenges in my life, and the navy provided with me with none, except maintaining steady blood pressure while dealing with the best imbociles america has to offer.

i wont say, it was the worst decision i made. i have a very clear understanding of what i dont want to do for the rest of my life. if i didnt join the navy, i would not have that virtue. there are many lessons to be leanred in the navy, not trade speaking, or career speaking, but things to learn about yourself. how you handle yourself among people of all walks of life, different situations no matter how ridiculous they seem to you. the average joe wouldnt recognize these accomplishments until later in his life, but if you're a decent fella with a decent amount of IQ, you oughtta take a step back and think about the lessons to be learned, the knowledge that could have been had. take it for what it is, first step is realizing you gave somebody your word you'd work for 4 years, keep your word and take what you can get.

if you do say that theres no other option for you outside of the navy, and you gotta get that retirement money, i feel sorry for you son. when you go to work, you must enjoy what you do. if what you do is painstaking, and you want to make it to 20 years, be prepared for alot of poor decision making on your part. theres 7.5 billion people in this world, and you're tellin me you aint got a chance in hell no where else? you've got 0 ambition, to take a chance and break free and love what you do when you go to work? **** all that bullshit, you've got your **** backwards. find yourself a good bottle of whiskey and find the bottom of it, you have got alot of thinking to do.

this is all coming from a married 23 year old guy, with a kid due in 2 weeks, 10 months left until his 6 year contact is up, stationed overseas and saving his money cuz he's got **** else to spend it on. i've mastered my trade and i'm getting out to pursue it. i will be the best in my trade, and i'll come out on top.

if you woke up broke, you had no business going to sleep

Well, I can see that there are a lot of happy sailors here! "A b*tching sailor is a happy sailor," right? Jeez, what a bunch of whiny babies. I was enlisted from '05-'11, was PTS'd out because of a sh*tty NC1, and was so angry I couldn't reenlist. I've used almost all of my Post 9/11 for a Bachelor's and an MBA, and I'm now prepping my application to get commissioned as an officer, so that I can have a shot at the career I wanted. My husband is an FC1 in the LCS program with ten years in, about to make Chief.The Navy is what you make it. If you're a negative, whiny b*tch, it's going to chew you up and spit you out. Put on your big boy pants, roger up, and do the godd*mn job you swore you'd do. Everyone I know who's been pleased to get out has just been a massive piece of sh*t. People like that don't want to work. I worked my @ss off. I made rank four times in 27 months, that's not something that's handed to you. If you're a lazy piece of crap, the Navy isn't for you. Join the Air Force.

Aren't you someone to look up to.... let's pray you aren't an officer on any naval ship or every in any position where people will need to go to you for guidance or help. Your tough love ideology is beyond that and no one cares how much you feel like degrading people who value their family over their career. I'm sure you've had plenty of time away from your husband throughout both of your careers. You should understand how difficult that is for people and that some can't as easily deal with being ripped away from people they love. C**ts like you don't deserve rank. You deserve to be labeled as a dishonorable piece of sh** who is more interested in personal advancement than actual patriotism or love for your fellow sailors. Go **** yourself Petty Officer Di**.

Oh look, another whiny b*tch! "Sailors belong on ships," a**hole. If you can't dig it, don't join. Yes, it's hard, but you people are acting like it was a total shock to have to go underway! News Flash: The Navy Goes Out To Sea! I've actually advanced a ton of sailors, helped many of them with personal problems, and gotten more than I can count qualified for certs, watches, and jobs. I had sailors REQUESTING me for their mentor, because they trusted me to tell them the truth, even if it sucked, and give them a plan to achieve their goals. I don't have time for whiny babies who want to throw pity parties and don't help themselves. Grow. Up.

Ok look I think you are missing the point they are trying to make. The best and worst part of the navy is the same. The people. And they way you come off is so negative, it's not the way a good leader leads. I'm not saying I'm an expert, but being respected, not feared or liked, is the key. So if you say to someone who says, the navy hasn't donew right by me,"stop whining" you automatically assumed that person is a whimp and can't the bigger picture and they are self centered. Truth is you have no idea what that person went through. The bureaucracy of the Navy is legendary, and people getting screwed out of what they were promised happens way to often and you should know that. No compassion or empathy makes for bad leaders. Not saying you are it's just how you come off. You look at one side of things and don't bother to get more intel before you make a decision. And btw, Navy Seals have left the navy and happy to do so not because they hated their job but because they hate the way big navy operates(granted they get to operate outside of it most of the time, they deserve they are better than 99% of the rest of the navy). I don't think those guys are pieces of **** so maybe rethink your attitude before you fly off the handle. Also you words and actions are not becoming of an officer.

you suck

you're 100% whiny b*tch. Go eat a shnitzel

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i have a question, I was thinking about joining the Navy and I wanted to know the negative things that come out of it. I just wanted to do a little research.

I know this response is to an old post I am fresh out of the Navy about 3 years. I joined in 2000 and my recruiter never lied to me told me it was all glitz and glamour. But let me tell you I broke my foot in 2004, from the time it heard which it did not properly I did everything I could to stay in. No the navy is not for everyone but every day since i was medically retired I a grown man cry and miss the days of being underway. As I sit here now I can only think of the open waters the family I had with my shipmates the places I have been and things I got to do. Do you know what it's like to give a little child who has nothing in a country that has no care for there people a home a school just to see that child smile and thank. Now the bad parts of it I suffer from PTSD is it something I wanted no I had to do things that no human should have to do but you know what at least my children don't have to fear these people ever again. So if you are bad mouthing the navy you simple didn't serve the right way you have to find the good amongst all the bad. We lived in Italy for 3 years I had my 3rd child there my family got to do things that others will never get to do, see what I mean when I say the good. So don't talk it down just because you had a shity attitude while you were in make the best of ever choice you make. If I could right now walk in to a recruiters office and sign back on that line I wouldn't think twice. EN1 retired

Hello i know this is a old post but i just joined the navy about five months ago i like it so far but i am married and have a little girl and another child on the way i want to know if ill be away or deploying a lot does anyone know anything about FTS aviation mechanic position.

Yep, I hated it to . I made many poor personal decisions (although I never got mast because quite frankly Captain Conners scared the h3ll out of me, our ships boatswain was a bad@ss too.) But , in my own defense I was young, didnt know squat about squat and growing into the uniform took me most of my enlistment. Getting out was one of the best days of my life. I felt lucky to have lived thru it. Like most, im glad for the experience but wouldnt expect a plug nickle for my honorable discharge paper at a yard sale. In fact sometimes its better not to list it on a job application unless you like getting dumped on. Many times the officers who lorded it over you are still your supervisors in the world when you get out. Its one h#ll of a fight to get to a place where you get to be incharge of yourself and even when you get to that point you still have things that have to be answered to and for.

I completely agree. I am on my second enlistment ( I thought changing commands and coasts would be different. Boy was I wrong) and I am counting down the days until I'm out. There is so much hypocrisy it isn't funny. To list everything wrong would take way too long. I've never been up for any kind of award despite the fact of having MP or EP evals, advancing quickly, a strong work ethic, and everything else expected of a good sailor. I've also never been in trouble. Meanwhile you see sailors who don't work, have gone to mast, etc, getting awards and recognition all because they have gotten close to the chiefs, officers, etc and suck up all the time. It's maddening. You bust your a** off working for nothing. I love the job I do but I hate the business I'm working for. It's just too backwards. Women still get looked down on and heaven forbid if you're one with morals. Most of the sailors I know that are "lifers" are simple minded, judgemental d-bags, who belittle everyone else. The only thing I've learned while in is how much to appreciate family, school and freedom. Please think carefully before you join.

I completely agree with you too. I spent my first three years in Japan and loved it. My second enlistment is one to forget. I chose Virginia Beach and thought I cant go wrong with any squadron I get assigned to here. I have two months left in my current command and am getting a LOC and a P transfer eval. I am a night check sup/cdi in my shop with almost all my quals.(-2 to be exact.) I have never been in trouble here, am on time, do what's told of me and am a positive influence on my workers. My LPO and Div chief have left me out to dry (THEY DONT STAND UP FOR ME.) We had two reservists one second class and a third class who were just workers IN THE SAME RATE AS ME with no CDI or Supervisor exp getting NAMS and other awards. This command has a huge favoritism problem from what I've been told by other sailors. I thought they were just kidding initially. If they don't like you it doesn't matter how well you do here at this command. You get screwed. THERES BAD LEADERSHIP AND COMMUNICATION AT THIS COMMAND. It depends on what command your assigned to. Some are good some are bad.

The us navy represents war and as part of it you must work as a machine. when you enlisted you agreed to give your life that's part of wearing the uniform and you also receive more liberty and recognition than anyone else on this planet. So you couldn't make it in the navy neither did I. Right now the navy is very weak and its full of rapists so its nearly impossible to succeed. From serviceman playing cards when they are supposed to be making security checks to others putting drugs in the mess deck coffee pots. So we didn't make. Maybe better luck next time. I was an orphan and the only thing I wanted was to give my life in the us navy but they put me out with an OTH but I have done greater things than any of my ship mates will ever hope to do yes Sir very fine ship very fine provided by the citizen's of the USA good night captain

I think you are absolutely right; and it's such a rankle racket now days compared to a few decades ago when it was more respected my American society. I would never suggest it to anyone, they just **** on you so college kids think there in a better place.

I like it so far its a job that requires hard work and dedication, everyone has their own experiences in the military so some people have bad and some people have good. It also depends on the rate you chose, and whether you are single or have a family. When I was in dep I refused to listen to the negative people because when I went in I wanted to go in with my own fresh open mind so that I can have my own experience. I hated bootcamp, some people loved it, some people say the navy is the worst thing that happened to them some say its the best. Everyones experience will be different, I joined because it was the last resort. Too many dead end jobs or no jobs at all im college educated and I want to continue my education this choice is right for me and im glad I made it.

You're absolutely spot on. Really the Navy isn't for everyone. I grew up in an economically depressed area with nothing but dead end jobs. I had no choice but to enter the military to get out of where I was living. That was the best choice I made for myself. I wanted to make the Navy a career but the people I worked for made it impossible to advance, take college courses, and transfer. It wasn't until the last three months of my enlistment that the Navy was actually half way decent and it was only because the sources of my problems either retired, transferred, or tested positive for drug use. During my time there were more benefits to get out than to stay in. I wouldn't trade my experience for all the money in the world but I wouldn't give you a nickel to relive a minute of it.

I am in the Navy. And I've got to tell out it's been hell for me. I originaly came in on a diver contract. I had disclosed all issues at meps, they said I was good to go then I got to boot and they told me I was being droped and force converted B.M, i fought it and got a new A school, where i got droped. I went from there to the fleet as an undesignated seaman. During this time the navy was downsizeing, so red quota had been closed down, percentages for strikeing out of deck were low, and advancement was just low across the board. I did 2 1/2 as a Deck Seamen. Misrable, stuck amonst ignorant rable who all seem to have bad hygene. It was a hellish time. I just struck a rate not long ago... Shortly after I went to captains mast for the actions of an ******* liberty buddy. I got rate ********, sent back to deck. I have 10 months left, then im running for the hills like my life depends on it . FTN, PAPERCLIP, Never Again Volunteer Yourself. AND **** BLUE FALCONS!

quit bitching. You not the navy you duchbag.

Me


In 1965 I had a car, a job as a union machinist, and a girlfriend. I was about to be drafted into the Army. Instead I joined the Navy. I was 19 years old. From New York City. I was assigned to the USS Diachenko ( The Dirty D ). At home I knew hundreds of people of all colors and shapes . Aboard that ship I met the most ignorant, bigoted, uneducated, antisocial, lazy, backward people , I have EVER met in my life. I am white. I felt sorry for the black and Hispanic men who were spoken to and treated like dirt. Now I realize that there were many southerners aboard. They probably went to segregated schools and were probably taught at home to hate everyone who was not like them. I am Catholic and that also brought out the ridicule and hostility. All the married men went with prostitutes in port. Most were vomiting, incoherent alcoholics. Many of them were Lifers . I can't imagine how they could have survived in the Real World. Everyone on this post knows that the Chiefs run the ship. So they were the bosses. The Officers basically relied on the Chiefs to keep everything running. The Chiefs were the biggest alcoholics. The food sucked. Midrats was salteens and coffee. Underway 4 on and 4 off watches keep us sleep deprived for weeks at a time. I liked the work and didn't care that the real game for most guys was to skate as much as possible . I always kept busy. Recently I got my evaluations from back then. My Chief wrote," not living up to his potential". I was pissed when I read it. I thought," How would he know what my potential was"? I honestly worked harder than anyone else in the division. I kept out of trouble. Needless to say I hated every minute of the Navy. I am proud of my service and my country . I belong to VFW, American Legion, and VVA. I am retired from a very good job and got my BA thru the GI Bill. Finally, in spite of what I have said here, I respect the people in the Military . I was only on one ship but to me it was a cesspool of bigotry and ignorance. If you join I hope you are luckier than I was in your assignment. Smooth Sailing.

In 1965 I had a car, a job as a union machinist, and a girlfriend. I was about to be drafted into the Army. Instead I joined the Navy. I was 19 years old. From New York City. I was assigned to the USS Diachenko ( The Dirty D ). At home I knew hundreds of people of all colors and shapes . Aboard that ship I met the most ignorant, bigoted, uneducated, antisocial, lazy, backward people , I have EVER met in my life. I am white. I felt sorry for the black and Hispanic men who were spoken to and treated like dirt. Now I realize that there were many southerners aboard. They probably went to segregated schools and were probably taught at home to hate everyone who was not like them. I am Catholic and that also brought out the ridicule and hostility. All the married men went with prostitutes in port. Most were vomiting, incoherent alcoholics. Many of them were Lifers . I can't imagine how they could have survived in the Real World. Everyone on this post knows that the Chiefs run the ship. So they were the bosses. The Officers basically relied on the Chiefs to keep everything running. The Chiefs were the biggest alcoholics. The food sucked. Midrats was salteens and coffee. Underway 4 on and 4 off watches keep us sleep deprived for weeks at a time. I liked the work and didn't care that the real game for most guys was to skate as much as possible . I always kept busy. Recently I got my evaluations from back then. My Chief wrote," not living up to his potential". I was pissed when I read it. I thought," How would he know what my potential was"? I honestly worked harder than anyone else in the division. I kept out of trouble. Needless to say I hated every minute of the Navy. I am proud of my service and my country . I belong to VFW, American Legion, and VVA. I am retired from a very good job and got my BA thru the GI Bill. Finally, in spite of what I have said here, I respect the people in the Military . I was only on one ship but to me it was a cesspool of bigotry and ignorance. If you join I hope you are luckier than I was in your assignment. Smooth Sailing.

I just joined DEP and I must say, I'm extremely disappointed with what I see on this board. Of course military life isn't easy, that goes for all of the branches. If you were expecting it to be easy then I'm not sure what was going through your mind. You should be proud to serve in the worlds most powerful Navy.

Oh I will be proud to have served in the world's most powerful navy when I get out! I will be proud that I persevered for 6 years...6 years I could've been with friends and family. Until then, I will count down the days...and I still have a year and some change left. This job taught me to appreciate the place I came from. When I get back home, I will hold everyone tighter and I will NEVER complain about an 8 hour workday ever again. A lot of people are in the Navy because it keeps them out of trouble, they are here in lieu of jail, or they had a rough upbringing. As a result, a lot of people here are of lesser quality, and these are often the people who make a career of it. It is because of these people, and the yes men who make our lives hell just to appease the captain, combined with the missed holidays, birthdays, anniversaries, weekends etc. that I will happily part ways with this horrible job. You are in DEP and you are passing judgment on people who have already been through boot camp, A and C school, and the fleet?! We have EARNED the right to *****. Let's see what kind of tune you are whistling in 2-3 years when you are cranking on a ship...that is, if you make it through boot camp. (which isn't really that hard!)

I completely agree with u... I have already 61/2 years in, I'm in short duty now. Have done 3 deployments, 2 times in the shipyards, 2 inservs and all the crap. Spent 5 1/2 years in deck and now im an e5... always got p or mp evals and study alot so I dont get×××× like everyone else. Got 2 years left and im ready ti get out. Fuxxx this ××× and good luck to everyone else that are thinking to became a Navy slave...

Shut the **** up

What the **** do you know about the navy? Dumb *** little ***** like you sit the **** down and keep ******* quiet. You're litterally still a civillian how you would think to have an opinion on actual sailors is a joke. Now its been some time since youve posted this. But **** it this needed to be said hopefully by now you know how retarded youve been and if not. Kill yourself. Like really kill yourself!!!

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Oh i completely agree. I signed up about 3 years ago. I hate it. I never want to join again. My command has sent me TAD for all three years and its dumb. I get in trouble for the dumbest things. Its not even worth it anymore.

The us navy /you are on one of the most powerful machines ever built you can go to sea for a year without supplies. damage control is not that hard the food is pretty good once are captain Roa paid for lobster and steak for the whole crew of 350 sailors its just that its so easy to get in trouble but the worst it can get is a bad discharge i got an OTH I wish i could have been one of those who made it a career my dad was an airborn ranger but he got an honorable discharge his name is Leroy J Montoy born june 22 1929 died oct 15 2006

I agree on all levels. The Navy has refused to adapt to a new philosophy for a new century yet. They also waste man hours and resources on an astronomical level. There is a lack of communication up and down the chain of command and the pay structure is out of date. Housing allowance promotes marriage and early child birth. The divorce rate is high and I've never seen so many men AND women cheat on their significant others. It's a gross place and unbecoming of any values that an independent and respected men could develop on his own.

I like the way you stated it, were you in Independentman? I was and stayed in for my enlistment but felt I was not being utilized and was acting unwell emotionally , mentally. I respect the military but felt we were wasting time and not learning the trade like we should have. They save it for the shore duty.

totally accurate. It's clear that women as an option in the military is torture and causes more harm than good. No matter how much discipline is instilled in the bootcamp- no force is more powerful than human instinct. I am a young woman, and I see it as clear as day.

The Navy sucks **** I have been in for 3 years and 90% have been gone. Back to back deployments takes its toll on a person with a family. When I joined they said at most 7 months at sea at a time f that. If you have any other option do that unless you love to be **** on.

Yeah Jodery thats exactly what we need, a ton of people who are forced to join the military for four years instead of pursuing a useful college degree to help get our country educated and better prepared for the future.. all you'll get out of that is a ton of people with Anxiety issues and depression, tons of people would go UA and become deserters thus ruining any hope of a future in this country. We don't need a bigger military force we need more STEM based career platforms.. all these bullshit wars are being fought with little to no meaning, just political gain and OIL OIL OIL. We could be focusing on much more important things, all of our resources seem to go to war.

Did you know that more than 50% of the people that go to college washout or drop out because they go without really knowing the purpose of a college education? Did you know that most of our citizens do not know th real price of our freedom? Did you know that most of the average males in this country do not know how to seat and behave in dinner table or even how to make a tie knot? I can assume that you are one of those irreverent wimp that do not know how to respect even your persona. But honestly I do not give a **** about what you believe because people like you are the very same one that are wrecking this country and the entire planet!

BTW, in this country the USA only about 11% of the population do hold college degrees so what is the problem? Delaying a college education for four years in order to let the young person mature and know the real value of a college education. This at the same time will allow higher GPAs and the GI Bill will cover most of the college expenses. Also at the same time you will lower unemployment, crime rate will go down, and will increase the quality of life in the general population. So who is the one who is talking bullshit? I believe that it is you and only you. Wow what an ignorant mind you have!

Yes to compulsory military service and if you are a peace loving guy or gal, I have the Petrine cleaning duty, kitchen duty and all those **** jobs for you but you will be in the military and you will love it because after four years of **** jobs you will do whatever is possible to make it in life.

4 years is still a long time. Especially to get **** on and to dislike people you work with but can't get away from cause your stuck on a boat. And yes it can motivate you to try to work harder and do better. But so can providing for a child you love and who you want to have a bright future. So can meeting that special girl that you want to be able to provide a good living for. So can having a spiritual rebirth and feeling reborn as a new person who strives for success.

I disagree with nothing you said

I believe that we should go back to mandatory military service. Most of the people do not know the price of their relative freedom. Every young ****** male/female should serve for at least 4 years. So later in life they will appreciate what they have.

If we process all young adults thorough the military, they will learn respect, discipline and the price of freedom. They will go out into the civilian World knowing what they want and with a basic profession. If they want to go to college great! If they want to stay career or whatever they wish, they will have a global view to decide.

For more than 200 years the Navy has been here. So the problem in here is you!

I was. USN Officer and had my share of sea duty. As a matter of fact I was almost always in a cruise. Sea life is not for everyone. It has its down side but been able to visit foreign lands and see the World is priceless. Also after that people will always respect you for what you did.

It is sad that you do not understand what has been given to you. It is sad that you have not appreciated the whole experience. Sooner or later you will be at the Captain Mast and then you will be sorry, but you will learn to respect the USN and all the previous blood wasted on whiners!

Get your act together and make the most out of it!

LeArn, how to. Use punctuation an!d spell. Funny thing? is you are an officer!

You are right that you do see lands which are off the beaten path. And people have a respectful response when you tell them you served. Didn't they try to scale back on deployment time back around 2007 due to "problems" of retention rates?

If military service is mandatory won't that negatively impact the economy in some way? The GI Bills funding would be difficult to generate, and no doubt colleges and universities would get frustrated with the government common used method of "putting it on their tab" yea they'll get paid, right after China.

But I do agree with you. Mandatory military service would better shape America's society especially the youth. But it'd be difficult to find a way to do that with how far we've come in health and human rights. In previous war generations when funding was low service members went without vital supplies. Im for it though if there is a way.
19 year old female

The navy is very political. If you aren't in the "circle", you won't advance. You pretty much have to get on your knees if you want to further your career. In the civilian world, hard work will get you somewhere; in the navy, it won't get you anywhere unless you suck ****. I've been in the navy for only 3 years and I'm sick of it. I was diagnosed with cancer while on the serving on the ship. I blame lack of sleep, stress, depression, and anxiety for weakening my immune system. Guess what.. I never had any of those problems BEFORE enlisting. Not even a family history of cancer! Never smoked, rarely drink alcohol. Consider school or anything else before joining a corrupt, political organization.

I completely agree. If you are not in the in croud, you're screwed.

You are so right. It's even worst in the Reserves, because the members use their civilian jobs as leverage for advancement and special assignments.
Even though I had a stellar record, perfect evals, college degree, 3 years overseas, outstanding on the PRT's, last Vietnam Era in the Navy to retire, never made chief. It's a totally corrupt system.

I'm joining the Navy and I'm going into the field of EOD. I've received naval training from NJROTC and the US Navy Sea Cadet Corps. I can honestly say that you ****** up your lives, not the Navy. The Navy's not right for everyone. YOU chose to enlist, just remember that.

For some people, its not a choice. Its a "one or another" thing. Its either jail or military.

<p>I am an IT been one for 4 years now, my recommendation, try college first try anything that will get you ahead before you go for this ****, and if you DO enlist, do EVERYTHING in your power to go shoreside, and if you cant, EVERYTHING in your power to stay away from 7th fleet. Being at sea is the most miserable experience of my life, ******* 97 days non<x>stop same **** hating the same people you see everyday fixing the same ****, the same constantly moldy food no relief and no let up, just eat, sleep, ****, work, for a ******* MONTH OR MORE until you hit land. By the time you hit land you are so angry and unhappy and depressed about the underway you get **** FACED and **** anything that moves to get your anger or bad feelings out. and after a few days, it all starts again.......I have made e-5 fast and have nams and all EP evals, but I hate my life, I hate my lack of freedom, I hate showing up to work and dealing with the most retarded, simple minded ***** on the planet....the money isn't worth it and the benefits really aren't either, anyone joining, you get all the benefits with one excepetion......YOUR FREEDOM IS GONE, THE NAVY OWNS YOU, ANY BULLSHIT RULE THEY WANT TO IMPOSE ON YOU IS THEIR CHOICE, AND YOU WILL FOLLOW IT OR GET IN A WORLD OF HURT IF YOU DONT. I.E. LIBERTY CURFEWS, RANDOM MANDATORY DAYS ON THE WEEKEND TO COME IN, STANDING DUTY MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK. AAAAAANNNNDDD there is something else they don't tell you VERY important, the person in charge of you may be unfit to lead a flea circus, but because they are so ******* retarded and have stayed in the navy for 15 years because they cant get out (due to family constraints (kids) or just not having experienced the real world) they WILL have jurisdiction over you and you WILL have to listen........god.....help yourselves don't do this......im so miserable, this isn't me. I would recommend this to someone who wants to throw down the gauntlet to challenge themselves to just how much injustice they can tolerate before they snap.</p>

I have been in for 12 years and recommend enlisting, particularly as an IT. Get your training and some education and them move on, if you want to. The truth is, every job out there has its good points and bad points. I do not fit into the Navy at all whatsoever, but I like the constant pressure to better yourself and it teaches me patience. it's a means to an end. Take that for what it is worth.

There is a point between patience, and tolerance. A person can only take so much.

This guy is right man the Navy ******* sucks! DONT JOIN!!! dont **** up your lives.

wow! I'm a 18 year old female Future Sailor, my ship date is en Feb2013 and i was doing a research on personal experiences from people who are (or served) in the Navy. I must say I'm rather dissapointed on what I have read so far...my rate is IT and I enlisted in FTS Program for the next 8 years...Now that I read this comments Im like "What the hell did I singed up for!" I was wondering if anyone could tell me a little bit more about my rate and the FTS because I'm a little bit worried...

Well now it is 11/13. Did you go?

Eh...its sort of what you make of it...like looking at a Yugo in the most positive manner possible. I was a nuclear machinist mate from 2000-2006. For the most part it sucked. 90% of the work is done by 10% of the crew. You can't depend on a command to give you a set of wrenches, let alone assist with any personal issues.

I highly recommend that all sailors protect their educational benefits. There are a LOT of for profit schools targeting military members to screw you out of your benefits. Thanks to the post 9-11 changes, you will get E-5 with dependents BAH for the area code you are living at. You need to go to a real college and get a real degree. I got my mechanical engineering degree, and while it was tough, it is worth it. I would also recommend not worrying about getting college credits for military training. Especially if you go into the STEM fields, you need the basics of Calc I, Algebra, and whatnot so as not to struggle in later courses.

It gets better. They already have your *** so you may as well use that time to prepare yourself and figure out what you want to do. I know this sounds crazy, but your EAOS comes up faster than you will realize. The transition to the civilian world can be rough...and its especially true if you haven't planned or prepped for it.

I agree, almost 19yrs in and back in 2010 I was accused of a crime I didn't commit. To my chain of command I was guilty to proven innocent. They showed zero support and welcomed any actions the prosecution took against me, I am still fighting it till this day. Busted down in rank by some a-hole jag officer who didn't have a clue about the case it was obvious he took sides during my summary court martial. To all who think the u.s. navy will stand by your side when you need them, FORGET IT.

yes the navy is down hill my last ship was uss stump we had women too bad. most of the ship was run from female birthing mainly from 1 couple in paticular fc3 pregnate yung and her suitor fcc cartr fortunatly he was married hahaha hopefully he lost half his retirement and got taken to the cleaners even xo and junior officers couldnt keep it professional .all this happened under the nose of the command masterchief nickens who his buddy helped cover everything up to this day everybody pays a littlebit of fcc retirement through taxes. we pay for them to date on duty along with many other couples . what a farce before that it was all honor courage comittment liberty and completely fair and respectable.

The navy is a cesspool. I was in the Intelligence community and the jobs main requirement was being able to lie convincingly, while maintaining a straight face. You read remember and regurgetate the lies of this corrupt government. No intelligence is required beyond that of a parrot who can repeat what they are told to say. The navy used to be a place where a man or women could do their job and go home with some level of selfrespect. Now you are required to be up superiors behinds to get the best evals. Oh and if your a woman you are automatically a *****. If you ask a man to do his job you are a ***** or have PMS, but if a male supervisor askes him he is just doing his job. As a woman when you walk onto a ship the men are already taking dibs on who can sleep with you first. Oh and don't forget you are only there to look good for the men, not support your family. I was told this by a lowlife I was on a ship with. Oh and if you get pregnant you automatically did it to get on shore duty, no matter if you were already on shore duty or at the end of your sea rotation you as a woman got pregnant to get off the ship, regardless of whether it's true or not. Oh and if your a person of color or a woman you are not regarded as good as you white male counterparts unless you are 10 times better. A junior mistake means your inferior, but for a white male the same infraction is a learning experience.

No, you can't pull the race card. some of the other things are true to an extent. people should love their spouses

AND ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU OTHERWISE IS A FKING KISS A$$ PIECE OF SH!T. IF YOU LIKE WEARING KNEE PADS ALL DAY UNDER YOUR NWU'S SO YOU CAN DROP TO YOUR KNEES AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT TO SUCK THE C0CK OF AN E-4 OR HIGHER PAYGRADE THEN THE NAVY IS FOR YOU. EXPECIALLY SINCE I GET HIT ON BY FAGGOTS IN MY OWN BARRACKS THESE DAYS. WHAT A FKN JOKE THE MILITARY IS NOW.

THE NAVY SUCKS ****. IF YOUR IDEAL JOB IS WORKING FOR A PIECE OF **** FEMALE ***** CONTROL FREAK LT COMMANDER THAN THE NAVY IS FOR YOU. I'M A HM AT A CLINIC IN OKINAWA, JAPAN. WE LITERALLY GET TREATED LIKE WE ARE LITTLE ******* PEASENT SERVING OUR 0-3 QUEEN DEPARTMENT HEAD. SHE SEES US AS ******* JANITORS. ANYTIME SHE OPENS HER MOUTH IT'S ONLY TO TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH MORE OF HER JOB WE CAN BE DOING FOR HER OR HOW WE ARE ******* UP. I THINK THE END GOAL FOR WHAT PROVIDERS IN THE MILITARY WANT IS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO LAY IN BED IN THEIR HOMES AND SEE PATIENTS VIA WEBCAM AFTER WEVE DONE EVERY OTHER ASPECT OF THIER ******* JOBS THEY WENT TO COLLEGE TO LEARN. MY ADVICE IS DO NOT JOIN THE NAVY, IT'S ******* AWFUL DEPENDING ON WHO YOUR CHAIN OF COMMAND IS. ALSO, IT'S NOT LIKE OH AFTER THIS I'M DONE WITH WORK.. NOPE.. NAVY STAYS UP YOUR *** 24/7.

HAHAHA i've been in 13 years and yes it sucks, All these new changes, the training (really) the political crap and the a$$wh@les that think they are all that!!! HHAHA i deal with all that as like any truthfull sailor will do but common honestly, you know the thruth behind it is that the Navy is the wort biggest most dis-organized organization out there. Just doing my time and keeping my nose clean other that that they can all $uck my $I%$.

HAHAHA i've been in 13 years and yes it sucks, All these new changes, the training (really) the political crap and the a$$wh@les that think they are all that!!! HHAHA i deal with all that as like any truthfull sailor will do but common honestly, you know the thruth behind it is that the Navy is the wort biggest most dis-organized organization out there. Just doing my time and keeping my nose clean other that that they can all $uck my $I%$.

Sounds like a lot of young people crying, all my uncle ever talks about was his 4 years in the navy on the flight deck... My entire family was career navy, they all LOVED it, course that's back in the day when everyone felt a duty to serve their country..Today people whine about hours, well I'm a truck driver, you wanna see hours put in ha..Grow up! They are going to house our family, pay for all expenses, our child is going to school for free on a naval ba<x>se, not to mention you retire in 20-30 years instead of having to work till your dead..You are going to always find bad things in any situation, I have asthma consider yourself lucky because I would take your place in a second..All I ever wanted to do was serve my country and I only wish I had the chances you have so quit crying and try driving a truck over the road your whole life!My fiancee is joining and they are setting us up, all in writing! GO NAVY you losers, grow some kahonas

Fyi there is no job security and no guarantee that you can even make it to 20 years for retirement. I've seen a lot of good shipmates get let go after 15 yrs simply because we were "overmanned." They had outstanding evals, PRT scores, the whole nine. Instead of just not recruiting more people, they let experienced techs go. It's pathetic.

Yea there is also very little chance you will get anything if you decide to get out early. They made me drive my own car with my own gas from new york to cali once I got out on my own expense.

That's not true for everyone. I signed up for 4 years they didn't take care of me at all. I wish they did but they wouldn't pay for my food because no Galley at the base I was at. So I spent all the money my parents gave me as well as the money I saved in bootcamp on a car so I had transportation to get what I needed. As well I had a private contractor raping my BAS pay so I could stay on base. If you wanna be set up for failure join the ******* navy and they will surely set you up for that and cripple you financially. I never joined the military because I wanted to serve my country honorably. I just was suckered into it by a recruiter who took advantage of someone in a desperate circumstance who was really nieve. Now judging by all these comments i'm sure i'm not the only person that felt this way about this branch of the service. I wasted almost 2 years of my life for this ****.

Serving your country should be your first reason for joining the military. If you joined for other reasons then you ****** up. I am enjoying my time as a aviation electrician. By the way YOU JOINED THE MILITARY!!! IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, MILITARY LIFE IS NOT EASY!!! DUH!

It's amazing the way they brainwash people into destroying their indoidual sense of critical thinking skills. Those of you who say **** like "GET OUT, WE DON'T WANT YOU" are exactly the type of people who encourage the bad behavior that goes on in the Navy. Just because you got **** on doesn't make it right that it should continue like that. Instead of promoting an atmosphere of antagonism, hatred, and blind anger (like the above comments so aptly display), we should actually start trying to fix problems and listen to people instead of telling them to shut the **** up. The people that actually have legitimate complaints (like so many I've seen) should have the problem examined and recorded. Instead, you ***** just want them to, "quit whining." You grab bag of bastards are precisely the type of people who make the Navy suck.

Agreed

Well if u joined the military u should know what u are getting into. Yes ur going to have to do crap that you don't won't to do that is the same as any job. You are serving the country. My fieonce is in the navy and we are miles away and were dealing with it because we new what was going to happen. Some days are better then others being apart but we are still together I think the distance is just making us stronger. I even joined the navy as well so it is going to be even harder to be together. For everyone that is complaining. U should have known what u got yourself into. Your not going to like everything u do in life or your job.

I've been in the Navy going on 3yrs, and it has blown balls the whole time, The leadership I've had has been atrocious, I submit a package, they send it up, I ask for updates on my package every week like the told me, and their answer is, "Well idk whats going on with it". Are you kidding me?! Also they are the most egotistical bastard's I've ever known! I'm supposed to leave in March still don't have orders it's FEB right now..... Hopefully they'll just kick me out b/c of it lmao :)... Back on track now I do my job really well as a Corpsman, but it seems the higher-ups dont care about.. How well you do your job.. They care about the pointless **** that wont get you anywhere in life, and they have us do pointless ****.. It's like rly this dude is better than me cuz he volunteered 12hrs in a month.. So the **** what, I'm doing my job above and beyond (what actually matters) anyway the navy is assbackwards and I cannot wait to get out... And have a real living like civilians do atleast they earn what they work for and not just have things given to them...

navy run down the navy is not what you make of it. it is what your chain of command lets you make of it if they dont like you, you get a crap eval. You wont get training for jobs before doing them meanwhile doing all the work and get none of the respect. Rank is ba<x>sed on a test that you can guess at all answers and still pass and the percent of advancement is solely ba<x>sed on if the navy needs of that job nothing more. So you can gain rank even if you are a idiot. You do long hours and still have to stick around in home port just so some people can say that you are showing your face to the officers who don't care if you show up or not unless it actually has something to do with them. I'm getting paid the same amount no matter how much work I do. Two people one works hard second does nothing will get same pay and more time the person who doesn't do anything always makes friends with the higher ups and spends more time around them so they get all the referrals and awards for everything. Their motivation speeches tell about how you should be adults but never treat you as one I have been in over four years and have learned all of this so I don't want to hear about attitude of the navy I went in with all intention of doing the best I could but ,I got screwed by my chief then I went dcpo where I was sent to mast and busted down I finally gained it back I got all mp evals except the last was a p and I keep getting told that I am one of the hardest workers that I have some of the most knowledge out of the division but I never got an award of any type while others that were onboard for four months got a letter of appreciation from the co just because they were here during a deployment I'm a E-5 now and about to switch commands I think the navy sucks and 75% of what it does is pathetic and pointless but I have to stay in til I get a degree and set up a job to support my soon to be wife her daughter and my newborn son nothing you say can change my attitude otherwise.

I just signed me contract. I feel ****** and I haven't even started.

Time now is Nov. 2011. I can relate. I was in Navy in the early 1970's and had my share of the negative side as well. But I have come to terms with all that because I realize now that every one who serve in the military has 'some hardship' and 'loses something'. All for the overall good of the country and mankind in general. Just be grateful you still have all your body parts and are still alive. Remember that there are some who 'lost a lot more' than you did and that you were lucky you didn't lose big time like a limb or your LIFE.<br />
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Joe Blowe 'the common man'

Joe Blowe 'the common man',

This post is perfect. I like your basis for comparison, something I think most negative posters are disregarding.

That analogy is ******* retarded of course people have lost alot more its the military. There are plenty of countries I can think of that don't con it's citizens into signing a 4 year contract to serve in the military. Why the **** does the military think they are ******* verizon and force people to sign a ******* contract? That's **** we aren't obligated to risk our lives for **** if we don't want to and we won't anymore.

There is truth in what you say, but apparently you've never been fu_ked in the *** before by one of your superiors. <br />
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The first half of my enlistment was like your desc<x>ription, I progressed rather nicely and was well adjusted to Navy life. BUT then I got a new ship and my new division officer (a LTJG) didn't like me and proceeded to make my life HELL. He screwed me big time just because he could. He was and still is a mean, arrogant, POWER MAD mother fu_ker with absolute power over anyone lower rank than himself. <br />
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Because of the command structure of the Navy, you have NO right to protest or DEFEND yourself against wrongs done to by so called 'superiors' . I am NOT inferior, just lower rank, ********. If you try to defend yourself you will be labeled a trouble maker and will be screwed even more. <br />
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The last half of my enlistment went somewhat less appealing and this experience destroyed my sense of Justice and caused me PTSD after I got out, that has lasted for 40 years plus (Still with me, even today). I will always HATE that man, the Navy, and ALL lifers, even the good, innocent ones (none are truly innocent, just less guilty). My main complaint is: You have no right to defend yourself against wrongs done to you by those who outrank you. Its kinda like you are a less than human animal without ANY rights or protections. All it takes is a higher ranking person's word (No proof required) that you are somehow in need of discipline, true or not true doesn't even matter.

Well so far I have been in for 5 years I have one more year to go and then I am officially out and will be going to the University to finish of my B.S. of Clinical Science degree. I joined because of college and so far Navy has been doing its job. I have had some good jobs and positions in the Navy and some poor ones but overall it has been an experience that I have benefited from. I have had a huge number of bad leaders and just horrible people in general, however, that tought me exactly of what not to do and what not to become. After work I go to school and slowly but surely pick away at it. Yes I've been screwed over, I have been mistreated and all sorts of crap happened to me but overall I have had good evals EP and MP which that stuff don't matter for ****. I picked up rank and I got just little bit more money. I have learned responsibility of money management by looking at how some of the dumbasses in the navy spent their money unwisely and from personal experience where I have been scamed because of my naive nature. Next summer I will have 5 years and 11 month in and I will separate to go and finish of my degree at the University for which I have been accepted for. I have an associate's degree plus some extra credits give or take. Some Universities will take a lot of your military credits some will not. I have a C-School that gives my national certification I will not use it outside because I will be going to school full time but what that C-school has given me is the skill and confirmed my desire to pursue my field. I am debt free not that I ever was in debt but still it is important I have a car paid off I have not loans. I have met some great people while I was in. As a field medical corpsman I can honestly says that yes I did serve US and I have helped the troops, weather it is removing an infected toe nail, freezing of warts, immunizing, suturing their wounds, doing cleanings or placing fillings in the teeth I have done it all and more. So yes the experience is there now it is time to get that degree to back up what I have learned and practice on the outside. To who ever reads this I can say is there is nothing wrong with staying enlisted having no education, college experience, being treated like garbage, being underpaid and treated like a child with a **** load of restrictions but this is not for me so I'm moving on to do a career that I want. There is nothing wrong however to join the navy to get your ground set which is get some school gain some experience see another country get the post 9/11 GI bill and go on your happy way. By the time you get to graduate school and you find yourself in the position where you can take a huge loan to pay of your school or you can do a navy program where for every year of grad school you would serve that one year as an officer so 4 years in the navy as a dental officer with no debt and vast experience is a great deal but after that if you want to stay in and retire or get out and open up your own practice is all a matter of choice. The whole point is that navy is using you and it is up to you to use the navy.

Everyone says "the Navy is what you make of it." That is a bold faced lie. Case in point, I came in as an E-3 because of my education, excelled in boot camp, made it to the final round of some award they had me up for ba<x>sed on exceptional military bearing, became a section leader of my boot camp division, and made my RDC's actually smile on more than one occasion. In IT "A" school, I was top honor graduate with a 95 percent average. The lying began when my "A" school instructors told me that if I maintained my average (which I did), I would get a meritorious promotion to E-4. That never happened. But THAT was only the beginning. When I finally got to the fleet (I was stationed on a ship for the first time), nothing I had accomplished before then was even noticed. I was dumped off in a coffin rack, and forgotten by my sponsor. I was ridiculed, made fun of, picked on mercilessly because I "talked funny". I can only assume this meant that I was educated and used "big words". I was even told more than once that I "read too much". I tried, believe me I tried, but all it got me was more headache. I found myself working 12 - 14 hour days, sometimes 7 days a week depending on the upcoming inspection (which seemed like every other week) doing **** work, with no possible way to get ahead. Even the legal department on my ship admitted that my chain of command saw "a bulls eye on my back". They shelved me in dilapidated military housing where I began self-medicating with rum, and I became so miserable that eventually medical put me on 40 milligrams of Prozac per day (the highest legally prescribed dosage I'm told) to keep me compliant. Enough was enough. When they offered me an early out, I took it. It didn't take long since I have been out of the Navy to snag the career of my dreams with a fabulous apartment on a trendy block downtown to boot. My life is so much better now without the Navy. it was a terrible mistake for me to join in the first place. Take my experience for whatever it's worth.

I just recently got out of the navy and your story motivated me. I met the girl of my dreams a few months ago and we're moving to DC so she can finish her masters and I can get my Mechanical Engineering degree. FTN

Ok, let me start by saying this, anything you do in life is what you make of it and the first few years of any job are tough. Let's consider the facts<br />
1 you're on salary, you do work long hours, and the hardest part to remember is still true, it's in defense of your nation. <br />
2. you get all your training and schooling paid for and it's recorded for you in transc<x>ripts prepared through the ACE<br />
3. Medical is sometimes not the best quality, but there those out there who have half what you're getting, quality included, that pay through the nose for it.<br />
4. with the economy what it is, you're lucky to have a damn job, let alone one that's on any salary at all.<br />
5. when you really need time off, be totally truthful, your Chief would probably let you muster and roll. where else are you gonna get that and not get it docked from your pay? and those early fridays in port? the 96's just for your ship doing good on some inspection? believe the millions in this country who would beg for that type of treatment! if it don't make the company money, it aint happenin'! Period!<br />
6. When you come out of the Navy in, say 4 years, if you've done a half decent job you have gotten promoted. Your position alone allows your resume to say you were in a leadership or management position. You get college credit for the training you get, whether you like it or not so if you're not a dumass, like yours truly, you'll get that free degree so you'll have that on your resume. The most important one is, your service record shows you have been at work, on time, every day for the past four years! And no money could buy experience, and working in diferent cultures, interacting with foriegn laws and all that in foriegn ports.<br />
7. the travel is unbelievable. sure there are things about it that aren't perfect, but you can go swim with the sharks and ride elephants. do COMREL projects that your boys think are stupid but put you in contact with people in that country to interact with and help.<br />
8. the damn food is hot, every day. and even if it's sliders and wilted lettuce, it still makes a turd and that's more than some people get, even in our own country.<br />
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lastly, Navy Recruiters are salesmen. they have to be. but did you know there are like tons of different types of Navy recruiters? enlisted, like yours, is the toughest. <br />
first the damn guy, just like you, had to keep his nose clean enough to get through the screening to get to go to recruiting duty. then when he's there, he has to try to get folks who have no damn clue about the Navy. they think we march around with guns and crawl through the mud. recruiters, for the most part get treated like **** and have to keep on smiling. most people they contact tell them to go get bent.

I did 4 years on an aircraft carrier out of Norfolk, VA. Let me tell you a little known secret about the Navy and "seeing the world". Every port call i went on was 4 days long. Everybody on the ship has to spend one of those 4 days onboard. They aren't allowed to leave that day, whatsoever. The remaining 3 days, you spend hours in the hangar bay waiting in a line with hundreds of other people waiting to board liberty boats that take you to the mainland. The carriers are too big to pull in port at most places, so you have to take a ferry over. After that process, you get on land around 2pm if you're lucky. I've seen people that just didnt get to leave the ship, and only got 2 days in port. You are not allowed to spend the night in town where you are. You HAVE to be back Onboard the ship by roughly midnight, which means you have to be back to meet the ferry about an hour earlier. So most people get from around 2pm-11:30pm in port, for 3 days. This equates to about 24 hours in port. The average six month deployment has around 5 port calls. You do the math on how much of "seeing the world" actually goes on.<br />
-Disgruntled Veteran (Honorably Discharged).

I leave for basic on May 5th 2011. If these are the only complaints you people can come up with then I'm sure I am going to love the next 20 years of my life. Everyone that is complaining on here seems to be whining about petty BS. Could be a difference in upbringing, but Im sure youre just a pre-pubescent girl.

Am going to boot camp soon.i have enlisted in the navy for 4 years active and 4 reserve.i have read all the pros and cons and am going in much more prepared now with the full knowledge that i may or might not like it.

So you have to serve 8 years/

good words Poseidon32

You know its sad that people are so willing to complain when times are tough that they don't realize the great things that are going on around them. Ive been in the Navy for 10 years. I've cleaned some nasty heads, painted spaced that really didn't need painting, picked up after people who all claim that they are grown adults. Not to mention that I have missed birthdays, anniversaries, funerals, and the birth of my daughter. Not once have I complained about it. Why? Because its what I said I would do. <br />
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Ok so the recruiter didn't tell you that you would have to go TAD or that you would have to clean a head or something of the sort. Everywhere there are crap jobs that branch off the main job. <br />
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In all reality this is a job and a damn secure one at that. I will have a retirement check when I am done and I will be able to start a second career when Im 38. By the time Im 58 I will have dual retirements. Even then if I wanted I could still get a job elsewhere. <br />
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Just remember attitude is everything. If you have a bad attitude the whole time your just going to bring yourself down and others around you. The Navy is what you make of it. If you sit and complain like a child you will get treated like one. If you man up and act like an adult you will be treated as one and reap the rewards.

You know its sad that people are so willing to complain when times are tough that they don't realize the great things that are going on around them. Ive been in the Navy for 10 years. I've cleaned some nasty heads, painted spaced that really didn't need painting, picked up after people who all claim that they are grown adults. Not to mention that I have missed birthdays, anniversaries, funerals, and the birth of my daughter. Not once have I complained about it. Why? Because its what I said I would do. <br />
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Ok so the recruiter didn't tell you that you would have to go TAD or that you would have to clean a head or something of the sort. Everywhere there are crap jobs that branch off the main job. <br />
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In all reality this is a job and a damn secure one at that. I will have a retirement check when I am done and I will be able to start a second career when Im 38. By the time Im 58 I will have dual retirements. Even then if I wanted I could still get a job elsewhere. <br />
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Just remember attitude is everything. If you have a bad attitude the whole time your just going to bring yourself down and others around you. The Navy is what you make of it. If you sit and complain like a child you will get treated like one. If you man up and act like an adult you will be treated as one and reap the rewards.

Hey I'm getting out of the Navy. Served my time honorable for eight years and yes the navy has it's ups and downs. I feel for the rates who have a 5 and 2 sea to shore routation. All I'm going to say is when times are tough even the Navy isn't a 100% ressesion proof career and it would be a hundred times better if all those who served were treated like human beings and talked to in the right manner. I will even give an example of this. Two weeks ago I went back to my last ship which I was already checked out of on a Saturday to grab a few items of clothing and some new Master Shithead Chief made a comment to me. You should be in uniform when checking back in or reporting onboard and the way he said it was rude and with a tone in which anyone around would feel like he thought you were a lower class person. That ******* didn't even know I wasn't part of the command. Instanteses like this have happened on a weekly basias since I have joined the Navy.

Wow what a load of ****. You took a test to determine what your best at and given a list of careers to choose from. I personally can't wait for the day I will be protecting and serving the people and ideals of our nation. So if your complaining about your job remember it's not for you but for others.

I think the best thing the navy could do is to standardize the ESWS/SWO qualification program (there is no consistency from ship to ship, and sometimes no consistency from CO to CO) AND get rid of ESWS/SWO pins

ESWS/SWO qualification program what is that /

If your gonna live life might as well enjoy it

then enlist and work your way up! If you're good enough then you'll make it (generally speaking) and then you'll really get respect, coming from below deck.

I wanted to join the Navy but i was rejected because of my school. Im pissed because i REALY wanted to join and be a part of my counties history. But my "SCHOOL" was a teir 2, and because i got my deploma from there i was rejected. Im pissed. Is it my fault that i had a ****** school? no. Do i want to join the navy and become a respected officer? yes. But noooooo. IM NOT GOOD ENOUGH. **** you NAVY.

grass is always greener on the other side! I wish I'd never left more often than not.

I'm sorry, but if your really crying about being in I dont want you serving with me. You get to wake up every day and do things nobody else gets to do all in the service of your country, family and peers. Suck it up and make the best of it while your in because the Navy is what you make of it and you can make it a really God damn good time that gives you chances most never get. If your still feeling down then go to medical for a cold pack and some tissues and then man up.

I've completed 22 years in the Navy and enjoy it because it certainly one of the best retirement systems you can earn. Most importantly, maintain a positive attitude, treat your subordinates, peers and superiors with respect no matter how difficult at times and expect the same from others and your Navy experience will be much more enjoyable. If you are going to stay Navy for any length of time then make sure your family understands the commitment and is prepared to handle the Navy life when you are not around and things will go much better for everyone. I'd recommend that everyone work towards completing 20 years of active or reserve Military service before you get out because the pension and benefits are priceless and you are still young enough to start a civilian career.

I love all the brainwashed ***** who hide behind the notion that you are serving your country and you are patriotic and noble. Nonsense, simply put. A lot of us, like myself join for this reason, and quickly learn how wasteful and pathetic people in the navy are, especially those of higher rank. I can honestly say that I have thus far wasted over 4 years of my life in this miserable and pathetic organization doing absolutely nothing for my country but ripping off the taxpayers who work and make a real difference in the world. <br />
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Why are people who are janitors and stand pointless watches on the ships serving their country more than the scientists and engineers who designed the ships and made them technologically superior to other nations? Why do people respect a pregnant ***** for serving her country who got knocked up to avoid going on deployment who spends her navy career pushing paperwork at a shore command instead of civilians who actually contribute to the military.<br />
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I'm so tired of navy faggots telling me to quit complaining about the navy and to have a better attitude about it. Yes isn't that a wonderful attitude to have, everyone should just put up with garbage instead of attempt to make an improvement. Yep I have a worthless job, which I get paid less, work more hours, more dangerous and less sanitary conditions, and get treated like a piece of **** instead of get a real job and education where I get more money, more free time, get treated like a human being and make a difference in the world. Wow thats a tough decision, too bad I'm enslaved on this ship for another 2 years. You losers can rot in the navy for 20 years if you like, ill get a real job. Good luck because the politicians are starting to do something about your wastefulness and are slashing your budgets and manning. I hope some fat, three time divorced alcoholic loser chief who will never amount to anything outside the navy reads this.

what a bunch of *******. booger eaters and ****. GET THE **** OUT. STAY THE **** OUT. WE DONT ******* WANT YOU. Damn.

I second that. Get the over it, your serving your country, you think that's always suppose to be glamorous. Ohh i'm a little bi*ch, i have to spend longer nights at work, try bein a seabee, spend christmas, in afghanistan. your birthday in afghanistan, your brother kid being born not to mention i haven't seen him in 2 years and when i was there he was only 75 miles away in kandahar, 75 miles here is nothing, there it's a 2 day convoy, you friend being killed by a drunk driver, all in one tour over in afghan, and heading back soon. If you wouldn't die for your shipmate get out of the navy. I don't want to die for you if all your gonna do is bad mouth my navy, you earn title that few americans will never know. Grow up man.

As Steven Seagull says in "under Seige" - You're in the Navy, remember? It's not a job, it's an adventure! <br />
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I know it can be crap at times, but trust me when I say you might miss it one day, and it'll look great on your CV. Perhaps your next posting will be better than this!

tebbears you really need to shut your damn mouth... i have been enlisted for 8 years and grinded my way up. i have been all over the world and screwed at every command i went to, i have had EP evals and MP but nothing ever less... cut your crap out its your attitude that makes the navy so terrible.<br />
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the navy is ****. the food is bad, the jobs are bad. the pay is bad and you mention somthing about 30 days of paid vacatation... if they give it to you!! its the only right you have that can be denied... WTF? the navy owes me 20,000.00 and they didnt even let me go to the hospital to see my kids born because i was forced to stay on the ship past a certain time of night.<br />
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im sure your career was all gold huh? and you think you are somthing special and tough. i have served 6 years on sea 2 on shore and gone to the gulf twice. i have done 8 deployments also. <br />
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take our condesending *** out of here.

how much is the pay ?
Is it different depending the job:

Well if your too much of a loser to only go after nasty *** navy girls, then you are SOL. Once again stop being a loser and go get off your base and get some hot local *** from where ever you may be at the time. whine, whine, whine. Thats all you kids do when things are not handed to you.

I wouldn't really call it a job. it is more like a home for the poor, elderly and mentally challenged. All you gotta do is live in nurse ratchet's little world so she can feel special and you'll be okay - you will stay out of trouble at least. That is pretty much your only job 90% of the time. The other 10% you are with a group of ten people doing a job that only requires maybe 2 or 3. half of the fun of being in is hating it. Go lust after something that's worth it - like a girl - one without a mustache for a change.

you sound like a bunch of cry babies to me. Any job you get is going to suck if you have a ****** attitude about it. And whats this crap about being separated from family and friends? Did you idiots not expect to be separated when you joined? Did you expect to still have your mothers boob right there waiting for you anytime you wanted? If you wanted to stay in your hometown with your loser high school friends then you shouldn't have joined in the first place. Just go to college instead and struggle to find a job, and then try to enjoy life while you always wonder if you will be laid off. <br />
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I got out a little over a year ago, and I said to hell with civilian life. You can always find a job, or a command that you will like in the navy, plus you can't beat the travel, job security, benefits, and retirement. Good luck finding any other job that will give you 30 days paid vacation.

I totally agree with you bro! Ive been in 2 years, and my recruiter told me that it was SOO GAY FRIENDLY... since being in the navy, ive been investigated already, and even went as far as marrying my best friend to keep them of my back. not to mention that you have to live the double life, and keep a super low profile, but you have to jump through hoops to keep it on the DL. I think my favorite thing, is when you think you've found someone you can trust and the next thing you know, its all over the ship that you have a Hella hot boyfriend! its worse than high school... once im done with my 4 yrs. im heading for the hills with my gay flag raised! lol...

Wow, remember you signed up for this. You could have researched more thoroughly and actually spoken to someone in the Navy. Someone in the Navy ,that doesn't need you to join to keep their job, would tell you that any branch of the military is hard. You have to work at it. And, there are many people in the military that would do the paper work to get you out. Try to get a job with a dishonorable discharge. I agree with the jagusnscc the Navy is what you make of it. So make it better. Remember, not many career paths can give you the benefits you get in the Navy, are willing to teach you a trade, or send you all over the world. Consider yourself lucky to be apart of the greatest military in the world.

I have been in for 10 months. I went through boot camp and A school and all that bs, and now I'm at my first command. I'm assigned to an NEC that's in no way related to what I learned in school or the rate i signed up for, where all we do is sit in the shop from 6 to 5 or later depending. Seeing the world might have been nice. I picked some crap orders, that is for sure. One thing I can't stand is khakis with that condescending bootcamp attitude who get on you over petty **** and talk to you as if you are unaware of the fact that you are a grown capable adult and they are complete hypocrites. Give me a break. I just want to do my time and get out.

There is one advantage to the Navy, which is visiting different continents & cities. I did only 4 years & had visited: Singapore, Pusan Korea, Philippine Islands, Hong Kong, Sasebo Japan, San Diego, San Francisco, Seattle, Orlando, & Oahu Hawaii.<br />
But you are right about a salespitch, & yeah I did gripe & complain while in there. But it was worth all the crappola, & as Mess Specialist I KNOW I have worked longer hours than just about any other poster.

I mean this in no offense to anyone because this is my own perspective. The navy is what you make of it. Period. You can't sit and rely on one person to feed you information about anything. It's your own responsibility to get all the facts (both the good and the bad) and to make the best out of any situation. Take care!

yeah, navy sux. im a PCSN and it especially sucked during christmas season :(<br />
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but, also the way im built... i guess i just like taking on challenges way too hard for me. the navy is definately not for me, but im not gonna try to get seperated like some of the PC's before me... its still nice having a steady job that you know they cant fire you from without extensive paperwork...

My husband is in the Navy and he's pretty miserable right now. Doesn't help that we're living oceans apart. I like what you said about recruiters being salesmen...great analogy that most people never think of. Good luck with the remaining time you have left.

In the words of Jason Bourne ( David Webb):<br />
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"Look at you, look at what they make you give"