Irish-american, Actually . . .

on my mother's side, my grandparents were from dingle.  on my father's side, from munster around waterford.  my parents split up when i was 2, which was unheard-of in the 1950's.  but we kept in touch with my father's family, and were close to them until i was 14 and felt awkward about it.  i visited my grandma bridget quite a lot, and my aunt the nun in the convent.  my uncle the priest not so often, he was a missionary in south america. 

after i was an adult, i found out that my grandfather had lived in the house i visited so often in south boston, but i never knew it.  he stayed in his room and nobody ever mentioned him.  never.  ever.  i had always assumed he was dead.  now, i have been in touch with some of my uncles and aunts and they are so nice and i have good memories of being with them on holidays.  my uncle told me something else i didn't know, though: my grandparents left waterford for the US because they were in the IRA and wanted by the english. 

i have never been to ireland, though i flew over it my one time going to london.  it looked beautiful.  i am a big fan of james joyce and i gave a paper at harvard about his antagonistic relationship with the folks in the celtic renaissance movement (yeats, gregory etc).  i got a degree with a concentration in celtic studies.  i've read all the medieval poetry and i sing the music.  but i've never been there . . . yet . . .

Lucinnda Lucinnda
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17 Responses Mar 7, 2010

Actually, Irene is AMERICAN-Irish and Scott is AMERICAN-Scottish/Swedish. The most important part is American, the rest is just embellishment. Neither of us have been to Ireland, Scotland or Sweden. Pure 'Merican.

who are irene & scott?

being born an "american" really doesn't mean anything to me. it's a purely random happenstance.

oh, also, if you read "Ulysses" there are passages where mulligan is criticizing stephen for writing bad reviews of books written by his benefactor. it's pretty literally what transpired between lady gregory and jj. she gave him money, introduced him to publishers, and got him the book review job; then he trashed her books in print. aside from the content, i also found the writing of that scene hysterically funny. joyce is a riot - i wish people wouldn't go around telling people it's "too hard to read" ;)

i would be happy to share it, but the electronic version got lost in a hard-drive crash. i plan to scan it at some point but am having trouble finding it :(<br />
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some of the info can be found in writings about jj's work as a reviewer of books and plays. of lady gregory's books of collected folklore he said something like: "they keep telling these long repetitious stories. these are people with much time on their hands." one of the things i noticed was that the revivalists were all rich, protestant, and grew up in cold formal households. i think they craved passion and mysticism. joyce grew up in an impoverished, catholic, high-drama milieu. there was more than enough "passion" for his skeptical analytical bent, and he viewed mysticism as ignorant superstition. now i'm wishing to find the paper - i was proud of it. also proud that i used humor and got some good laughs at an event not known for speakers getting laughs. i will let you know when i scan it, thanks for asking ;)

Is your paper on Joyce available? I've heard of the fight, but would like to know the details; they don't seem that much at-odds to me, in their writings.

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ah i wish! ;)<br />
as soon as i get some $ !!<br />
i can probably visit some relatives i don't know. i've heard they're ok with not knowing you, though. my aunt visited.

You need to visit Ireland. As beautiful as it is from a plane, on ground it is beautiful, charming and arresting.

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it's great that you have an ethnic legacy! americans really do not, that's why we give ourselves prefixes ba<x>sed on our DNA. my grandparents were active in the IRA near waterford, and came to the US to escape the law. <br />
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culturally, i don't find much interesting about being "american". seems to me that american culture consists of wiping out any interesting ethnic culture people may have brought here. have you tasted the cheese???? ;) it's gawdawful bland, no color, no flavor.

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Well I don't think you can really be Irish unless you were born there so really you're American<br />
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I'm Welsh, born in Wales, Father born in Wales, Grandad born in Wales and Great Grandad born in Ireland... Does not make me Irish in any sense - apart from the fact I like a pint of the black stuff!

well, nobody is just "american". the country hasn't been here very long, and everybody came from someplace else. american culture in the "melting pot" sense is kind of a pop culture, very fickle in nature.<br />
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as far as "pride" goes, i reserve pride for those things that i've accomplished. being born where i was born was a matter of chance, with no inherent meaning. my ethnicity is also a matter of chance, and an ob<x>ject of interest/curiosity rather than "pride" as such. i only call myself "irish-american" to distinguish myself from those who are genuinely irish, ie born and raised in ireland.<br />
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when i was younger, i was actually embarassed to be irish, because of the antics of those in boston who were loud drunk insular racist homophobes always yelling "irish #1" and beating people up. that's what i think of when i think if ethnic "pride".

LOL I never get how people in the US seem determined to be anything but American?<br />
Native American<br />
African American<br />
Now Irish American.<br />
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Would love to meet someone who is proud just to be "American"<br />
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Just asking the question

I'm English and have lived in the West of Ireland for nearly five years, not far from Galway. It's a lovely part of the world full of history, atmosphere and poetry. I help run a local writers' group and we have a festival every November dedicated to Anthony Raftery (the 18th century wandering bard) - I have blogs posted about it if you are interested in reading. I'll add you as a friend if you want to read them Lucinnda as I think they're friends restricted. PM me.

I spent my honeymoon in Dingle. It is a fine fishing village and has loads of great eating spots. Massive fort built there and site of a battle in 1601.

I was adopted into a Scotish/English family.I loved sitting in the kitchen on special occasions with my Scottish uncles,only 9yrs old but they use to be sitting there drinking that fine scottish whiskey and my Red hair was always the subject and how I was a fine wee scots gal.NOT.3yrs later I found out I was adopted and that explained a lot to me as I always felt different.At 23yrs old I met my biological family and Irish to the core,so as much as I loved my scottish uncles adoration,Im IRISH and proud.

What a fascinating story. What an accomplished young woman you are. Ireland is such a small place and yet it has contributed so many fine people to the wonderful diversity of cultures that are The United States. One of my regrets is that I did not cultivate my relationship with my grandmother, I have so many questions now, that I wish I'd asked her. One of my aunts who was pure Italian, married two different Irish men... again, I wish I'd spent time with them and heard their stories.

oh gosh thanks - i have a story about visiting my aunt in the convent when i was little. i'll post it soon ;)