I Want to Know What You Think

I'm not religious (although I am interested in learning about their beliefs and philosophies), but it just feels right to me that there is something bigger...I can't explain. That sounds very flawed, I know. I too don't like the idea of it all ending one day. I don't mean the world or even the universe, but EVERYTHING. I see things as a continual rebirth of sorts, from the minute to the grand. I keep wondering if this is to do with my inability to accept the idea that Nothingness can exist. Therefore, I have come to a conclusion of sorts that something has always existed, although by no means in a universe such as this. There is always something there. I find this easier to deal with than Nothingness.

I think that if we are to understand things, or at least attempt to get nearer to some kind of understanding, then we must accept our ignorance and not set limitations.

To give a better idea of what I believe, I will copy and paste my answer to the question, "How would you define God?" (I'm a lazy bum and I'll find it too much effort to try to put it into words again. I find it very hard!)

 

"I was asked something like this a few days ago by my friend. I find it hard to put into words. I personally don't believe in a separate entity that is God. I think that there is a force or an energy that permeates all matter and drives things to creation. Even that does not fully describe how I see it, but I use those words because that is the only way I can express it.

We can see it manifest in ourselves - artistic expression, nuturing another person etc. Even in the way we strive to better ourselves and find ways to put meaning into our life. A constant path of falling down and trying again, of living and dying; rediscovery of our true selves. All this to reach within towards a higher plane. This is only on a human level.

I cannot picture how nothingness is possible, so it seems to make sense to me that this 'energy' of everything has always been there. There was always God because there *cannot* be 'nothingness.' Even talking about nothingness makes me uncomfortable, because I have to describe it as a thing, which it is not. I could be wrong, but that's how I see it. That's why I think that when we die, we are not erased completely, but translated in some way to a different form. Just as you cannot destroy regular energy.

By describing 'God' as 'energy' I do not mean to say that I think of God as a mechanical force. This demonstrates the limited nature of words and it frustrates me. God (to me) is something that transcends dimensions and any other restrictions, even universes (if there are more.) It is truly beyond my understanding and I am still pondering it every day..."

 

I would like to know what you think :)

 

musicspirit musicspirit
18-21, F
9 Responses Mar 18, 2009

I'm not sure if I'm simply contradicting myself here, but I believe that we simultaneously are extremely insignificant and have a "purpose" of sorts. Well, maybe not a purpose as is normally meant, but that there is something more. Human experience just seems so rich to me - I think of a person as being a world all of their own - that I see it as being everything at the same time as being barely anything. I believe that there is value in the subjective as well as the ob<x>jective. They are merely ways of seeing things, but we still can't see what is beyond.<br />
Am I even making sense? It's so late (early) and freezing and I've been doing coursework till my brain became frazzled...<br />
Good question.

We've only been around for a few million years, the universe came before us and so I believe that we humans have no greater purpose (no end goal to our living, no pearly gates awaiting us) than a house fly.<br />
Does the sun have a purpose or is it just a bunch of chemicals?

Lol at your belittling of the big bang theory! "kablooie?!" ahahaaha!<br />
No, you shouldn't be satisfied by it because all that we think we know could all be...wrong.<br />
What is this empty void the microscopic piece of material was "floating" in? Maybe I need to read more in depth things on the theories going around to see if I can get some more sense from it.<br />
I think that just as we have to stop ourselves from falling into the trap of thinking within the safe boxes of "I," we have to consider that our universe may not be everything.

I think your post is very interesting and nearly beyond my comprehension. I think that according to scientific theories, there has never been "nothing". There was always this little microscopic chunk of material floating in empty void before it exploded and became the universe. Which doesn't satisfy my desire for a plausible explanation of how it all started. It sounds so improbable and senseless. "And then suddenly this little chunk of "everything", which had a mass density of "unlimited" by the way, just went kablooie for no reason!" Sounds so silly. And I can't grasp the fact that the tiny chunk from which the universe exploded had been there for all eternity up until that moment.

Yes, I agree with what you said about giving human characteristics to God. How can we project such things onto God when we have such limited understanding and such a limited vantage point? We are insignificant and that's probably where this idea of a humanised God comes from. All the great architecture, great art, great literature is nothing when put into the context of the entire cosmos. If we were to fully accept our own insignificance, we might go mad. Especially since we are the center of our own personal universes - that can't be helped. The only thing we can know and be sure of is whatever is in our head.<br><br />
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"We are machines, crafted, by evolution, to adapt to our surroundings." - yes, but there is something more surely? I'm not saying there is a little man inside each of us, controlling these "machines," but what of consciousness? The soul, or whatever name you wish to give it? <br><br />
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I think that the reason why there appears to be an inherent need in humans to hope for something more is that there is something more and we are frustrated that it is out of our reach. The reason why I say there is something more is because everything we take to be "real" is in fact only what we can grasp from our totally limited (yes, I'm loving this word right now) perspective. We only know what is projected to us through our eyes etc and interpreted by our brain. how can we say for sure what is and isn't?<br><br />
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"And the idea of nothingness is quite overwhelming(though that has nothing to do with my argument.)" - no pun intended eh ;) ?<br><br />
I keep going back to the idea of Nothingness because I can't accept that everything could come out of nothing. It seems preposterous to me. Hence, there was always everything (I'm not necessarily talking about this universe) and always God. I know I could be wrong.<br><br />
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Don't be sorry for such a great comment; I really appreciate it.

This idea that god is in someway human is silly. We are machines, crafted, by evolution, to adapt to our surroundings. Everything in our bodies is mechanical(there to fulfull some purpoes), as I said to euphOria, we picked up a club, we found that using this club we could make killing easier, from there we apply that same logic(this tool will make it easier) in different areas. We started to test new things, to see if they we're of any worth to us, to see if they could make life better for us. And now thousands of years latter, all that we have; our great citys, are the product of this most basic idea taken to the extreme. We are machines, crafted by nature and not by some human like entity that we call god(god is not the cause he is the effect,a product of human nature).<br />
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In saying all this(and I'm not sure if it made sense), I like you musicspirit hope for something more. I pray for something bigger than our simple being, something beyond humanity, something that I(as a human, with a very specific deductive process inherant to us all) can never hope to witness or understand, but I pray with everything in my being that it is there.<br />
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And the idea of nothingness is quite overwhelming(though that has nothing to do with my argument.) <br />
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I'm sorry,in saying all this I'm just sorting out my own **** and not really commenting on your story.

Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts :)<br />
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MitchAndMaureen - That is a very valid argument. However, as I explained in the story, I think that God must have always existed. It's something that has troubled me for some time and always will, but the way I see it, by asking who created God, we are bringing any concept of God down to our level. We are creating limitations. If you can't accept infinity, then you have to accept that there was once Nothing - just absolutely Nothing - and that is something that makes less sense to me. <br />
As for us being robots - you have a point there. Are we ultimately robots because we are striving towards something better, driven on by God? What if God is also within us? I don't think we can be slaves to ourselves. Remember, I mentioned that I don't think of God as a totally different entity. Yes, God created all, but God is also all. This is only close to what I think personally at the moment at least. Even if God was a separate entity, it does not mean that we are robots. When a mother gives birth to her child, is the child a robot to the mother?<br />
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ArmyFiance11B - I think that God is definitely something we can't really comprehend. Only attempt to talk about as we are here :) We might feel extremely significant because all that we experience is all that we truly know, but "we can't understand it fully because we are limited to the workings of this world." I do think that we have free will though.<br />
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stormynightsky - exactly. I think that the reason why God is so elusive is that "God is not limited to human understanding." What we claim to know is only something tiny. We can only see it through our tiny "ant" eyes and that is what we take for truth. But there is so much more. Or at least that is what I think.<br />
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Thank you everyone. These different views are very interesting :)

Religion is not the same as God.<br />
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Religion actually keeps people from God....<br />
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Religion is based on a man-centered view of things.<br />
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However, God is not limited to human understanding. <br />
He is so much bigger then us, that all we can see now is a small part of Him. Just because we cannot fully understand Him though, doesn't mean He isn't real. An ant can only see a small part of what is in front of them, but that doesn’t mean the big picture doesn't exist.<br />
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The best we can know of God is what he says is true about Him...not what people say is true.<br />
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I only trust what is in the Bible....not what any 'religion' says is true. <br />
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Many people and religions claim to SHOW the way to God, but only one person claimed to BE God.<br />
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Hope this makes sense...I just wanted to share my thoughts!<br />
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How are we robots when we have "free will" right? Obviously YOU are typing what YOU want, and YOU are sitting where ever it is you are sitting because YOU chose to. <br />
And what if God is more that we can even comprehend and that when we die we'll learn the answers? <br />
If someone told you to make Lasagna but only told you that you needed cheese you wouldn't understand how to make lasagna, and you wouldn't be able to comprehend exactly what lasagna was because of lack of information, right? (obviously unless you already new what ingredients where in lasagna, Not a very good example, but still) I'm trying to use the analogy of: what if we are just a small piece of a big plan and that we can't understand it fully because we are limited to the workings of this world? <br />
I'm not a christian and I'm not agnostic, I'm just trying to find answers, like most people, & I'm sharing my opinion.