A Sensitive Subject.

I am against abortion since I do believe it is murder, but it isn't my choice to decide for somebody else what they feel is best for them or their situation.

 I just want to say having made this mistake myself i know down the road it becomes a regret an empty hole in your heart that cannot be filled.

 When you stop a beating heart that is taking a life and it isn't ok and its not a choice its a baby that you can either take on that responsibility or look at other options rather than killing it. A family member may want to adopt it you never know but it is a life and has the right to live on this godforsaken earth and live its life.

Its not the end of the world its a baby and people have them unplanned all the time. If it was up to me and you need welfare assistance I say go for it! suck the system for all you can get that is why that help is there if you need it i say use it because people have to pay into it wether they want to or not so you might as well look at all your options. Ones that won't haunt you for life.

frosti frosti
31-35, F
19 Responses Feb 20, 2009

Where I disagree is that when a woman is pregnant, the physcian is responsible for the health of both the mother and the child and makes decisions based on that. There is no way to separate the two. The choice is not of a person singularly by themselves when they are pregnant. It becomes 2 individuals contained in one body. <br />
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elaine

I never did understand the catholic religion. You can sin like hell as long as you say 10 hail mary's lol..wish it was that simple but im pretty darn sure nothing is that easy to get away with.

So many valid points have been made here.<br />
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May I now put the point of a woman who got pregnant in the nieteen-seventies.....?<br />
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Contraception in the UK was not free the; one had to pay to get the Pi*l*l (not my asterisks, but the site's!)<br />
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Young men were often too embarassed to ask for condoms......<br />
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We took risks and had to pay.<br />
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I had my first baby when I was just a month shy of my eighteenth birthday.<br />
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I had my second baby when I was thirty-five.<br />
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He was the result of as one-night stand and a failed condom......<br />
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I don't hate the Pope.<br />
He is what he is: ie; the product of generations of backward thinking.<br />
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He could, however, turn things around by realising and acknowledging that to prevent the spread of AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseseases condoms are a vital weapon.

The Pope's stance on condoms, especially in light of the HIV and mass starvation epidemics in Africa, are completely hideous. I don't hate many people, but I do hate him for the suffering that he is directly responsible for.

Yes its easy to see how many of us can be against abortion but know that making it illegal is not the answer. They need to find ways to cut down on abortion and make it a last resort not a birth control meathod.

Up until 20 years ago condoms were not available in Ireland. I recall going to Trinity University in the eighties and it was a real big thing that condoms were available in the gents bathroom. This was seen as the work of anarchic students. It seems nuts to me now that this basic commodity was denied. Mind you the Catholic Church still denies condoms to women in Africa, not just unwanted pregnancies but the massive increased risk of Aids.

It is abhorrent, but the thing is that women wouldn't choose to use it as a form of birth control if they knew about and had easy access to other forms. It's simply a much bigger pain in the a$$ to get an abortion vs. condoms/pill/depo, etc.

W12 explains the paradox inherent int his thread and I agree with it. In Ireland abortions are illegal and tens of thousands of women travel to English abortion clinics, To go to this length they have to be pretty determined. I don't promote abortion but I still think it should be available. As for using it as a form of birth control, I really find it abhorrent that someone could be that feckless.

You might not have seen some of my posts about this Meggi, but I explained it several times. Pro-choice people are not pro-abortion, most of us realize that it is often a devastating choice that can haunt someone the rest of their lives. But we're also practical enough to realize that outlawing abortion is NOT the best way to reduce abortions. That is why pro-choice people focus on policies which reduce the number of abortions, something that both pro-choice and pro-life people should agree on. <br><br />
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Under Clinton, abortions went down annually. He's pro-choice. Under Bush, abortions went up. He's pro-life. <br><br />
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Bush's policies of abstinence-only sex ed and his opposition to things such as increasing access to birth control and family planning, along with his disdain for public assistance, all lead to more unplanned pregnancies and more abortions.

How can you be pro-choice, yet anti-abortion?

i do feel it is a case by case basis that is why im pro-choice, but anti-abortion because i do know first hand the emotional damage it can do.

You're right, whuttup, not everyone is the same.<br />
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I, too, know women who've suffered lasting emotional damage from having an abortion.<br />
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One of my friends, many years ago, fell pregnant at fifteen and was forced by her parents to have an abortion.<br />
She's now in her fifties, has children and grandchildren, but she never forgets the child she was forced to get rid of.<br />
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My first marriage eneded abruptly when my husband ran off ewith my (so-called) best friend and he left me penniless and in debt.<br />
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I, stupidly, had a one-night stand on my birthday just three weeks after he left.<br />
A condom was employed, but I found myself pregnant four months later.<br />
(My monthlies didn't stop immediately and when they did, it was put down to stress. That's why I didn't know I was pregnant early on)<br />
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I'd just about cleared the debts I'd been left with and was getting back on my feet when my pregnancy was confirmed.<br />
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I had a complete mental breakdown and sought an abortion.<br />
It was refused, because the consultant didn't believe that I was suicidal.<br />
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I'm so glad now that I couldn't get the abortion. My younger son is the light of my life.<br />
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I'm so happy that you & your wife are expecting a baby.<br />
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Keep us informed.

As for your last paragraph Meggi, I'm male so of course I can never experience first hand the dilemma. My wife is 18 weeks pregnant with our first and I could not imagine wanting to abort at this stage, but it isn't for the state to decide, so I'm pro-choice.<br />
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I am anti-abortion because I've had close friends choose to have abortions and suffer mentally and emotionally for the rest of their lives. It can affect a person in very harmful ways, and not everyone is the same.

I agree with Iusedto.<br />
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I knew a young woman some years ago, who'd had three abortions by the time she reached the age of nineteen.<br />
When I asked her why she didn't use contraception, rather than keep putting herself through abortions, she shrugged and replied, 'Why go to all the hassle of sorting out birth control when my parents will pay for me to get rid?'<br />
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That attitude appalled me!<br />
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What does annoy me greatly is the idea that seems to be prevalent that abortion is easy to obtain.<br />
In the UK, anyway, unless you can afford to go to a private clinic, there IS no abortion on demand. One has to go first to one's own doctor, who will the refer one to a consultant . It's then entirely down to the consultant's decision.<br />
Many of then will NOT carry out even early abortions unless there are serious/life-threatening reasons.<br />
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I really don't think any rational pperson can be either pro or anti in this question until they've had experience of an unplanned pregnancy, or, as in Iusedto's case, witnessed the result of severe disablement etc.

Iusedto be opposed to abortion, but began to work around children with congenital disabilities. I saw some that seemed to spend every waking minute crying with pain and others who would go from one seizure to the next. I had to really rethink things and came away thinking that abortion simply has to be made on a case by case basis. In a word this puts me in the pro choice camp since the media is more comfortable in portraying the with either/or labels. Iusedto also work in Child Welfare and saw where families would have another pregnancy despite birth control and they looked upon it as something that could swamp the fragile life boat that they were riding. Contrary to what many people think, they (impoverished families) did not enjoy having a whole lot of children and I found it was very easy talk them into getting tubal ligations....it usually took about 5 minutes to convince them. I got a call from a nurse at the state health dept. once to slow down on the referrals because I was about to break the budget for those funds that had been earmarked for that. <br />
There was a play called Twilight of the Golds, that was set some time in the future. In the play a young couple expecting a child had some sort of amniocentesis and discovered that the child that they were about to have would be gay. Did they abort or not? <br />
There are a lot of gray areas in this debate and I am sure that most thoughtful people aren't totally committed to one side or the other.

Iusedto be opposed to abortion, but began to work around children with congenital disabilities. I saw some that seemed to spend every waking minute crying with pain and others who would go from one seizure to the next. I had to really rethink things and came away thinking that abortion simply has to be made on a case by case basis. In a word this puts me in the pro choice camp since the media is more comfortable in portraying the with either/or labels. Iusedto also work in Child Welfare and saw where families would have another pregnancy despite birth control and they looked upon it as something that could swamp the fragile life boat that they were riding. Contrary to what many people think, they (impoverished families) did not enjoy having a whole lot of children and I found it was very easy talk them into getting tubal ligations....it usually took about 5 minutes to convince them. I got a call from a nurse at the state health dept. once to slow down on the referrals because I was about to break the budget for those funds that had been earmarked for that. <br />
There was a play called Twilight of the Golds, that was set some time in the future. In the play a young couple expecting a child had some sort of amniocentesis and discovered that the child that they were about to have would be gay. Did they abort or not? <br />
There are a lot of gray areas in this debate and I am sure that most thoughtful people aren't totally committed to one side or the other.

Most people aren't even aware that a person could be pro-choice anti-abortion due to the media's portrayal of the 'debate'. The simplistic debate makes it seem like pro-choice people just can't wait to have more abortions. It's absurd. I tell people about this group on here and they're like "ya, I guess that's what I am."

This one of the many divide and conquer questions.Have<br />
you ever wondered why there are literally millions of <br />
"for" and against" advocates,who are pro this,and anti that,but rarely will you hear of those who are neutral,<br />
because they acknowledge the Supreme Prerogative of<br />
the individual to make their own choices,without others using emotional,subjective and irrevelant dialogue to intimidate others into accepting their position?The one <br />
and only reason why the media,print or electronic,will not publish or discuss anytrhing other than the "for" and<br />
"against" arguments,is because it is one of the media's<br />
priorities to promote anything that will divide the masses,and prevent them from thinking for themselves.<br />
Moreover, it self-evident,that the media does not<br />
encourage the masses how to think,but what to think<br />
about,through opinion polls and talk-back radio,Radio<br />
National 774mhz is one example.<br />
publish,or dicuss anything other than

i was raised catholic so i dont believe in abortion but i also dont want it illegal because of the illegal clinics