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In Search For God!

I have been so passive ever since when I go out from my college years and even became more passive when I got married. As you can noticed in my stories, all of them are negatives. There is a statement that caught me once when i am watching an anime...one of the character did said that "Those people who are negative are the ones who dont have any self-confidence in them". I was thinking it was true. In thinking negative things it drains out your emotions, drain out your energy and mostly it ruins our life, as I am doing right now. I cant accept what was happening to me, and i am always reading the thoughts of every emotions of the people around me. So, in my own opinion I was looking for something that could possibly change me. Right now, I am thinking of looking for an religious instituion that I can go with. I am thinking that if I go in this kind of place, there might be a possibility that I could change heart and my believes. I will try to throw out in me the worldly living and start spiritual in God's will. BEcause when I was young, i could say my prayers where answered because back then I believe. But ever since I got out from this real world, every thing changes. My heart darkens and my belief in him were questioned. If i divert myself from this worldly living and seek what is thy religion, there might be a change of heart that could happen to me....IF you are a reader, mind to tell me if my decision were correct? I will appreciate it if you share your own opinion. Thanks!
Eureka85 Eureka85 22-25, F 18 Responses Jan 22, 2013

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A simple evidences that God exists

Cause-Effect Evidence

There is a universal law called Cause-Effect Relation. That simply means that if there anything happens, then there must be something that causes that to happen. For example, if you see a statue, you would obviously know that that statue is made by someone. You would not, even for a second, think that that statue was made by itself, or it just happened to appear without any cause. So, we can obviously ask "Who made this statue?" since there MUST BE a maker. No one disagrees with this.

i. Now think about the universe we know, and everything in it. Think about people. Their statues cannot be made without anyone making them. Thinking the universe as a whole, and considering the BigBang (beginning of the universe) then here is the question: Who made the universe and everything within it?

Then there MUST BE someone/a being who made the universe. We call that as God.

ii. The answer must be convincing. For example, for the case of statue, if someone tells us that the statue was made by a baby in cradle, would we accept it? Of course not. That means that the maker of the statue MUST BE capable of making that statue.

So, the maker of the universe is a being WHO IS CAPABLE OF MAKING IT. We call that as God.

iii. Every building needs a plan before it is built. A building is a static being, with almost no motion. Where the universe is a complex thing. Then it is more necessary for the universe to have a plan before being made than it is necessary for a building.

So, there must be someone who has planned the universe. We call that as God.

iv. Anyone cannot make the plan of a building. So, the planner must have enough knowledge to make the plan of that building. Knowing the whole building and things needed for building it is also included to this knowledge.

So, there must be someone who has knowledge of the whole universe and that obviously means INFINITE KNOWLEDGE. We call that as God.

We can go on more. Shortly, it is necessary for the maker of the universe at least to have the above characteristics and many others which we didn't mention here. Anything that has not these characteristics cannot be the maker of the universe. We accept that there is a being that has all of these characteristics; Knowledge, Power, Capability, Mind (in order to plan) etc. and we call that as God.

Here we only concentrated on the main thing, the existence of a Maker. No matter what you call it, there is A BEING who has made the universe.

Thanks for attention!

If you want to be religious, enter not the gate of any organised religions. They do a hundred times more evil than good, because they stop the growth of each one's individual development. Study everything, but keep your own seat firm. If you take my advice, do not put your neck into the trap. The moment they try to put their noose on you, get your neck out and go somewhere else. [As] the bee culling honey from many flowers remains free, not bound by any flower, be not bound.... Enter not the door of any organised religion. [Religion] is only between you and your God, and no third person must come between you. Think what these organised religions have done! What Napoleon was more terrible than those religious persecutions? . . . If you and I organise, we begin to hate every person. It is better not to love, if loving only means hating others. That is no love. That is hell! If loving your own people means hating everybody else, it is the quintessence of selfishness and brutality, and the effect is that it will make you brutes. Therefore, better die working out your own natural religion than following another's natural religion, however great it may appear to you.


~ Swami Vivekananda

Really? Can you take a moment and explain what’s so evil about these?

“YOU heard that it was said, ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU; that YOU may prove yourselves sons of YOUR Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous. For if YOU love those loving YOU, what reward do YOU have? (Matthew 5:43-46)

"But now really put them all away from YOU, wrath, anger, badness, abusive speech, and obscene talk out of YOUR mouth. Do not be lying to one another. Accordingly, [] clothe yourselves with the tender affections of compassion, kindness, lowliness of mind, mildness, and long-suffering. Continue putting up with one another and forgiving one another freely if anyone has a cause for complaint against another. Even as Jehovah freely forgave YOU, so do YOU also. But, besides all these things, [clothe yourselves with] love, for it is a perfect bond of union." - Colossians 3:8,9, 12-14. (Brackets mine.)

Hi Eureka85...

There were times that I was very sad... I really had very bad times. The only peace and comfort that I found was in relying to God and saying that "You are aware of what is happening to me. You are testing me and my temper to train me for higher qualities. I know that You are aware of my situation and the only One that can help me right now is You. So if you are not removing this sadness right away, then there are other good things You are preparing for me and I am unaware of them."

This is the right idea and it helps!
Think this in this way,
God loves us more than our parents do. And He thinks our good more than even ourselves. And He can help us out of any difficulty and sadness. If seemingly He is not doing it now, then it means He has other better plans for us.

You know about Darwesh's? They are people who see everything from God. What ever comes to them they say this is from God and He doesn't want our bad. So if I see something bad, that is because I can't look correctly or there are things that I am not aware of.

I will try my best in answering your questions (any kind) about God, Worship, Religion, etc... or helping you if you need any.

Wish you luck and real happiness of both worlds.
Sincerely

I just read something somewhere else before I read your your story. Desire is the by product of possibility, for instance, you dont desire to float in air with no aid because of gravity, it is not possible. But your desire is possible, that is why you are desire it. Inf act , it is your desire that is calling you, the life you want and "supposed" to live. what I read is like this...when you desire God,it is him who is desiring you, drawing your attention to him..

i completly agree with u...n again...been thre as well....it helps alot...takes alot of time n determination..but u can get thre.....helps u in miraculous ways.

i am trying my dear...but maybe it isn't enough...=(

every of us have negative and positive energy, in deppress time the negative shows more often, I will suggest you meditation, but offcourse if that not contrary to your religion, I think every religion have their own way to get close to their higher spiritual power, you dont have to divert your self from world, good luck, and thank u

dear eureka I did blocky things tho these people, its not my hobby to blocked ppl out ,but EP suggest me that I dont have to like everybody so I took that good suggestion ^ ^, its ur freedom if u want to continue this thing much longer if u have fun with them u can still do but if u feel uncomfortable just leave, well these ppl will put all effort to collect their lost sheeps, they even dont care that we came from different farm ^ ^ ooh wait just looking at the mirror am not look like sheep I look like .... quuackk hahahaha

that farm thing is very funny, xixixi

awwwh u think so ^ ^

hahahaha..you really are funny dear..no I wont cont, i guess...

Let me tell you this, I'm related to Jesus Christ and I can tell you that my huge famiily does not believe in G-d. It's all total bullshit. You're better off watching anime than wasting your time realizing that you're negative cause you already know it. Enjoy it. The negativity is what makes you human. I pray you remain that way. Please don't waste your time.

Best wishes,
Chaff/Ezekiel

Small problem:

1. Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
2. You claim God absolutely does not exist.
3. You have limited and incomplete knowledge
4. It's possible God exists outside your knowledge.
5. Therefore you can 'believe' God does not exist, but cannot prove it.
6. Therefore your claim can be summarily dismissed for lack of evidence.

He has to loose his faith to have any faith at all. He will only suffer in disbelief as he's torn between G-d or not G-d (or her).

@ maxximiliann
I really don't appreciate you trying to cut me down. Just leave me alone.

How does any of that change the fact that your gnostic atheism is based, not on evidence, but on pure speculation?

@ maxximiliann

No one said I was gnostic or atheist. I'm just giving some advice is all. I believe in G-d well. Let me to post again. Pick up your life from the ground. Pray. Pray daily. And try to keep yourself feeling good and faithful. If you really believe in G-d, he'll be a part of your life like you are a part of his. I know some of this sounds sketchy, I'm not a perfect preacher. Sometimes people just need a break from religion too and spend some times on themselves like G-d wants them to do.

Hope this helps and is a little more clearer,
Chaff/Ezekiel

yeah I agreed with better watch anime, and read manga's lol, and have fun, I waste to much time to argued with dumb and dumber ^ ^ thanks for remind me

Dumb and dumber, good one!

Thank you for clarifying. From your first post it seemed you were saying belief in God was pure nonsense.

@ maxximiliann

I sometimes wish I could get away from this family. I believe in G-d more than anything else in the world. He's my only ally and true friend. The only one I can trust. I sound crazy all the time online. I can just be myself on here. Problem is being understood. :)

If I may make a suggestion, have you tried to apply this divine principle with your family?

“YOU heard that it was said, ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU; that YOU may prove yourselves sons of YOUR Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous. For if YOU love those loving YOU, what reward do YOU have? (Matthew 5:43-46)

I pray for my privacy. That's all that I pray for. Then I can live in peace. I pray for the world all the time. Please G-d all the time. I just hate the way that I am treated.

Are you saying your family is abusive towards you? If your life is in danger then you need to get away from there right away.

Are you ******* serious? I can't get through to the F.B.I. and I'm not letting the local police know how ****** up my life is either! I have to live here!

But thanks.

What about moving in with family or out on your own? Do you at least have a job?

My immediate family is no problem. It's the far off ones that their morals are way off.

If they're not living with you how is it affecting you?

That's a crazy question! Hahahahaha! I don't want to talk about it.

Well, just remember that where we are in life is exactly where we want to be. If not, we'd be somewhere else :)

@ChaffEzekiel Thank you so much for your comment...^_^

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And therein lies the heart of the problem.

Like you, the overwhelming majority of Muslims choose to let others speak for you. Thing is, your experts have continue to be hushed while the terrorists, dictators, suicide bombers and fanatics scream at the top of their lungs.

In essence, you've let them take control of your religion. Worst still, you and those like you do little or nothing to stop them.

The reality is that Islam is no longer is the religion you once knew. Because of your silence, you and yours have permitted it to become the incarnation of terror, hatred and bloodthirsty violence.

If such an association offends you I can only see one of two choices. Either take back your religion from these animals or leave Islam and embrace a religion that would never have allowed them to take over in the first place.

Just my two cents.

Control them?!!! I couldn't judge what the Al-Qaeda's reason why they are doing that, and I didn't have any further knowledge if they are really the persona behind the incidents that were happening around. I couldn't just easily comment with those topic until there's that definite information.

Let me ask you Maximillian, can you control those people within your religion who do bad..or evil act? Islam is Islam....the only thing that make the practice wrong are those people who lack of knowledge with the said religion. It is clean and pure. It is just like in politics. Politics is not dirty the holder of power the one makes it dirty. It depends on the people if they to be properly guided.

I am sorry but I wont leave my own religion even you enumerate everything in me how bad Al-Qaeda is. I could grasp your opinion but never force me to back down my own.

In my religion, those who violate it's sacred tenets are expelled from the congregation and not allowed to return to it until they've repented and reformed.

In this way, we can in no way be associated with dictators, suicide bombers, terrorists or extremist fanatics.

what is applicable in your religion is not always applicable in ours. It cannot force someone, but to make realize people about there believes.

nwei, mr. maximillian may i know if your a Catholic?

Then why follow your religion at all?

To answer your question, I am not Catholic. I am a Christian.

why follow my religion? Its simple, because I choose to believe so, because the truth lies in here!

But if an atheist can disrespect Allah and a Muslim can disrespect Allah, what's the point of Allah demanding respect and reverence if he doesn't care either way?

eureka its enough !! just throw back these trolls to their own habitat dear, they were bad people I tracked them and they attacking people everywhere, with the same or different religion, they not gonna satisfied until u swallow their **** ^ ^
these kind of people doesnt even deserve our attention okay

JUST LEAVE US ALONE!! take ur own crap with u!! we dont need that!!!

I think you do have a point deary. I was just asking an opinion...but they got over bound in this topic.

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Eureka,

If I may ask, does Allah love me?

Yes, he do. Every creation of His. I suddenly asking that?

Where is this expressed in the Qur'an?

"Bismillahi’l-Rahmani’l-Rahim" which means "In the name of Allah, the Most Merciful, and the most beneficient" in every Muslim action we always mention this...based on this meaning He did mention about being "merciful"", a merciful one is someone who has love...in the given statement, he didn't directly mentioned about being powerful nor beautiful nor anything....but he specifically mentioned "merciful"....So what can you ask for if this statement or word alone could secure that He do Love us!

But I'm not Muslim. Does he love me anyway of does Allah hate me?

Wa maa arsalnaaka illa rahmatal-lil aalameen...
We didn't send you (O Muhammad) but as a mercy to all the worlds!

If He didn't love non-Muslims then He wouldn't send His prophets for guidance of humanity no matter if they were Christians, Jews or disbelievers...

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@byon

Are you saying there is no distinction between the brand of Islam you practice and the type Al-Qaeda fanatically adheres to?

Byon is going angry to me because I am asking his holy quran.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't homosexuality proscribed in the Qur'an?

well that is my own problem with God not urs, its proscribed in many holy book but thats my choice of life style ^ ^ I carry my own sin so what??? and I know !! I read u r "HOMOPHOBIC tooooo!!!!"

and arrow am not angry!!! I hate u!! but I have fun with u , so pleaaaaaaaaase bitching more ^ ^ u r here to make my days more glitterings thank u!!! and makes me love to log in ep to read ur comment that makes me roflmao!!

u r so serious in life hahahaha get a life honey

hater hater hater !!!!

Thing is, Byon, if you don't respect Allah and the Qur'an enough to be obedient, how can you claim to be Muslim? Is it acceptable in Islam to pick and choose which of Allah's laws you obey or does a Muslim have to obey them all? Please clarify for me.

well u can ask the same question to ppl with the same theology as u r that do things like me or worst, why they dont follow all written in ur hollybook? why do they still doing the sins? dont they respect their God?, better fixed that first bfore u take care of other person religion, and other believer, however I thank u bcz u seem care so much about me^ ^ *I still think u sexy smart :)

I never understand ppl like u that trying so hard to force ppl to eat ur ****, r u think ur self as a saint or angel or what? leave ppl alone with what their beliefs

if u think ur religion is right and ur God love u, and u respect ur bible its good for u, I dont care, I have the same rights !

and why the hell I should clarify anything to u!

Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly. Your pretext for your effrontery of Allah and the Qur'an is that other people disrespect their gods and holy books?

I have my own reason and I deal with my own problem I dont have to xplain it to u
isnt it better u take care of ur ppl in ur own theology, ur religion , brotherhood, community or something like that before u trying to judge my effrontery or whatever u called it?

So you're an atheist?

i'll answer your question for byondgravity....No, he isn't an antheist!

If he's not an atheist why does he act like one?

the only thing I can say to you Maximillian, dont judge the religion by its people....judge the religion itself....cause everyone has there own way of following the belief they want to believe.

beyond gravity, every people have their own opinion of something. I have right to write very thing in EP as long I don't use expletive word. You write and using expletive word. I know your religion teach you to swear.

Your religion TEACH TO HATE other human being including enemy. I want to pronounce THAT MUSLIM ARE HUMAN BEING SAME AS ME. THERE IS NO WAY TO HATE MUSLIM. In my religion I must AGAINST FALSE DOCTRINE but I prohibit to harm, kill and HATE other human being  because I must leave them alive so one day maybe they will repent. I must forgive my enemy and every one had ever hurt me. I am not a God can take judgement with my own hand. God is the only one has power and authority to taken and given lives.

@Eureka

I'm judging the religion by the effect it has on its followers, or lack thereof.

It seems to me that if someone can be an atheist and disrespect Allah and another can be Muslim and disrespect Allah then it doesn't make sense to be Muslim.

In other words, if Allah doesn't care whether he is disrespected or not then why should he demand respect?

Our religion doesn't teach to hate people. ISLAM is the religion of peace.

@maxximiliann by your statement, are you trying to convince me/us to get out of our religion? It seems though you really are trying hard to give all the doubts within our belief. What if I turn it out and convince you more pervasively to turn into ours...what kind of feeling you might feel?

As much as I can, I dont want to bring doubts upon my religion because I was then happy when it was engraved inside me!

I'm simply asking a simple question in the hopes of getting a simple answer. In this way I aspire to make sense of all the contradictions I see in the Muslim world.

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i m telling you abouty my faityh to which i have felt right so many times feeling the worth of it at every next stage of life even when i m born follower of this!
“Whoever testifies that there in none worthy of being worshipped but God, Who has no partner, and that Muhammad is His slave and Prophet, and that Jesus is the Slave of God, His Prophet, and His word[1] which He bestowed in Mary and a spirit created from Him; and that Paradise (Heaven) is true, and that the Hellfire is true, God will eventually admit him into Paradise, according to his deeds.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
"`the most beloved thing with which my slave may come close to me is that which I have made obligatory on him. My servant will continue to come closer to me by voluntary acts (of worship) until I love him. If I love him,I will be his hearing by which he hears, his sight by which he sees,his hand by which he grasps, and his foot by which he walks. If he asks me anything I would give it and he seeks refuge in me I would protect him` Sahih Al Bukhari
Narrated / Authority Of: Umar bin Al-Khattab who said"While we were one day sitting with the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, there appeared before us a man dressed in extremely white clothes and with very black hair. No traces of journeying were visible on him, and none of us knew him. He sat down close by the Prophet, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, rested his knee against his thighs, and said, O Muhammad! Inform me about Islam." Said the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, "Islam is that you should testify that there is no deity save Allah and that Muhammad is His Messenger, that you should perform salah (ritual prayer), pay the zakah, fast during Ramadan, and perform Hajj (pilgrimage) to the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah), if you can find a way to it (or find the means for making the journey to it)." Said he (the man), "You have spoken truly." We were astonished at his thus questioning him and telling him that he was right, but he went on to say, "Inform me about iman (faith)." He (the Messenger of Allah) answered, "It is that you believe in Allah and His angels and His Books and His Messengers and in the Last Day, and in fate (qadar), both in its good and in its evil aspects." He said, "You have spoken truly." Then he (the man) said, "Inform me about Ihsan." He (the Messenger of Allah) answered, " It is that you should serve Allah as though you could see Him, for though you cannot see Him yet He sees you." He said, "Inform me about the Hour." He (the Messenger of Allah) said, "About that the one questioned knows no more than the questioner." So he said, "Well, inform me about the signs thereof (i.e. of its coming)." Said he, "They are that the slave-girl will give birth to her mistress, that you will see the barefooted ones, the naked, the destitute, the herdsmen of the sheep (competing with each other) in raising lofty buildings." Thereupon the man went off. I waited a while, and then he (the Messenger of Allah) said, "O 'Umar, do you know who that questioner was?" I replied, "Allah and His Messenger know better." He said, "That was Jibril. He came to teach you your religion."" [Muslim]
YOU are the shaper of the two worlds, and the Deity
Everything is witness to YOUR Manifestation

When this earth and the world did not exist
When there was no moon, the sun or sky
When the secret of the truth was yet unravelled
Nothing was here save YOU, none but YOU

God is there for His creation, His creation exists for God
All of creation sings His praise
In front of You what am I?
You are for me, I exist for You.

Why did Hussain, son of Haider, drink the nectar of mortality?
Why did Tabriz have himself flayed alive?
Why did Mansoor utter at the gibbet?
All make only toys, the only one left is You

There is no one like you and that is your grandeur, O! unique one
you are the imagination and inquisitiveness, you are the wish
you are the light [and] the voice of heart
you were there, you are there and you will be there.
may Allah bless u!
sunshines!

dear sunshine, u seem smarter and religious than me
please check the long conv comments below, u might can answer few question from those ppl ^ ^ lol bcz I dont have such capacity, or if u can suggest the right person to answer, bcz idk any religious ppl ^ ^ thank U , love u ^ ^

no dear wht i have written was already in hadith and i just posted here bcz story writer willingly demanded it frm people!and i read the arguements below and felt they are mere arguements not discussion where no conclusionis needed but only questions!if any sincere searcher would seek something ,he would find!Eureka would be guided in sha Allah!Allah cares sincere slaves,and we are here to pray for here!dnt worry about arguements!they are just arguements and fight of getting justified...faith is matter of heart and soul...it comes even if there are no logics!2+2=4 is logic of science ,arts of life is based on relativity where this is nt applicable but different point of views are respected!blessings to u!sunshines!

so love your comments my dear sunshines333...thank you for the prayer and i hope Allah (swt) didnt closed His door for me...

no dear!doors are open till death and even aftr tht for those who put belief in Allah and do righteous deeds and give up pride frm heart!He is Allah Who rewards intention alongwith deeds!in this world people wont see even good deeds to be respected at least, though no need to look for reward frm them!they themselves have evrything with blessings of Allah!jazakillah!

Sunshine33 and Eureka Please I hope you are going to tellIsa ibnu Maryam in the judgement day that I already mentioned his kindness to people are in hopelessness and sadness. People who is want to get closer to God. Please, You are not going to say I didn't say anything. Isa would blame me if I didn't say anything.

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Just remember, where you are in life is exactly where you want to be.

If you didn't, you'd be somewhere else.

When we are taking sincere efforts it will always give results..you can make a start from the internet itself as the same is having enough information and guidelines to know your religion in deep. You may also able to find out a local institution in your neighborhood for widening your knowledge..but it all has to start with a strong will.

yes intention is rewarded!and best strt would be to take direct help of Allah!to pray to Creator of universe and everything to guide us towards right path!blessings.sunshines!

My God is still answering my pray until now. He never hurt me although people around me destroy my self-esteem. When I hopeless God always with me, give me encouragement to be brave and face the facts. When I can't find any solutions, he makes away for me. God build up my confident day by day. When people are ignoring me, God always care about me. He can feel my emotions. He understands my language. Any human being couldn't replace his love toward me. When my family treat me like rubbish, God see me as his treasure. When my parents curse me, He has blessed me. When people said I am a loser, He gave me the intelligence. He never disappointed me although this world is going to against me. When people reject me, He accepts me with the open wide hands. I don’t care people judgement about me because I know God is always with me because I listen and follow to him.

My God name’s Jesus Christ.

Maybe you are worship a wrong God?

I appreciate the sharing of your thoughts about the things in your life. No, I am not worshipping the wrong God. I will always respect every religion in every nations but neverthless, I would like not to tell me that I am worshipping the wrong God, cause its an offensive on my side, dear...^_^

I was worshiping the wrong God. I was not believe in Christ. I speak right away. I am not a person like to speak about nonsense. I am a person does not scare to speak out my opinion although people would feel offend. The truth is very hurt.
I speak out from my experiences.

I hope you could find the right way in your life. God bless!

If I may ask, let's say you met a lady who thought 2+3=7 and they said they would feel offended if someone showed them they were mistaken, what opinion would you hold of her?

I think you are making senses.

I think everyone has their own believe...Somehow, they will really get offended once you told them that. Tell them how good your religion and all the positive things about it, but never give a comment on saying "wrong God". Let them realize it. ^_^

So, as far as you're concerned, it's wrong to correct someone who mistakenly believes 2+3=7?

You cannot just give an example with just that! 2+3=7 is different when you talked about religion. I know, you know that this is complicated thing, and from that given example of yours only signify you are be littling my religion! I cannot allow that! What if I tell you are praying the "wrong God"? What will you feel?!!!

Why in the world would I possibly take a different point of view as a personal affront? That wouldn't be very loving at all. Do you really think I'm that closed-minded and fanatical?

There are those stories which I did peek in your post, and I think you do have a lot of knowledge in spiritual aspect of religion...yet you dont belong in any of them. I wont judge by what you believe in...but as for me, I do say that somehow give some thoughts when you are confronting someone who has this believe on their own. You can advice them based on your opinion in relation to your religion, but never say the words which can ring their head a hit!

@ arrowarrow17, there r no such things like "woshiping the wrong God", I never judge any religion, bcz religion is a beliefs and I respect ppl beliefs, to fulfilled ppl spiritual need and also to organized ppl life, all religions that i know teach goodness, my God also always answer in my pray and in many way show me the right path
@ eureka, our God never leave us, we leave Him, God never need us we need Him
never doubt what u believe eureka bcz thats a basic foundation for a belief, u must know that, u can doubt people but never doubt God, learn again about ur religion and goo deeper in what u already believe, i wish it will help to feed ur soul , our soul need spiritual protein to keep healthy ^ ^

@byondgravity

You say "I never judge any religion." If you could clarify for me, does this mean you agree (or maybe even cheer) the theology that resulted in the terrorist act of 9/11? Does this also mean you have no problems worshiping alongside Satanists?

@Eureka

Any "confrontation" you perceive exists wholly in your mind. All I did was ask a simple question. Irrespective, I apologize for any offense I may have caused you and will treat this topic as taboo for you Be well. .

@maxximiliann

My apology as well maxximillian...i am somehow very sensitive about my religion. I am open in getting some opinion from different people in different religion, but there are always those things that limits it. Hope Maximillian that you are not trying to blame the Muslim community as a whole of what had happen in the 9/11 tragedy. FYI Sir Maximillian, Islam is not a Satanist religion!

@byondgravity
Thank you so much my dear. I do sometimes doubts but i am trying to hold on as long as I can my dear, byondgravity. Missed you.

@ maxximiliann what the terrorist act 0f 9/11 nothing to do with the real teach of the religion itself , even in each of community and culture same religion can be practised in different way, and there always fundamentalist groups in every religions, they practising it with their own interpretation and offcorse some of it will come out as terrorist act, am not respect and support terrorism and violences as I might say not all the terrorist or murderer or mass murderer have same religion, its a matter of point of view offcourse it will be a big homework for religion leaders, and I dont think satanist is a religion that worshiping God, if u may realized that satan in many of religions r the enemy of God itself, however I still respects ppl rights , they will follow God or satan aslong as its not bothering other ppl and a law of a country, well is their own rights want to go to heaven or hell right?

again to maxximillian ^ ^ lol, I think I seen groups of ppl who worshiping satanist , here in ep, u may check them out, they might look out of their mind.. but that teir choices ^ ^, I am a quite open minded person in many aspects of my life and lifestyle well maybe a very openminded one , lol ^ ^

@byon

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. Are you for or against the theology that led to the terrorist attack of 9/11?

@Eureka

I accept your apology and thank you :)

I am againsts terorrism and violences acts but not against the theology or religions bcz from what I know none of theology or religion teach terrorism,(am not gonna mentioned about only 9/11, but all the terorrism acts in all over the world) but however ppl who r practising terorrism r misunderstanding about what they proclaimed as their theology, then they're be called fanatism, fundamentalism whatever... u cannot blamed the whole believer and the religion if some of them r wrong practising it. what led ppl to do terorrism act is their wrong perception of their theology, the terrorist r wrong but the religion is not wrong

Problem is, 9/11 was motivated by a specific theology fanatically held by a particular religious group.

In fact, were it not for that religious ideology 9/11 would have never occurred.

Your attempts to divorce this atrocity from its religious motivations is specious.

So again, I need to ask, are you for or against the theology that resulted in 9/11?

the problem is u tried hard to accuse one religion to responsible for the act of group of fool ppl

infact its the similiar mind with the terrorist that accused all ppl in whole country for few govermental acts this mind like this is destructive ,spread hatred

what is ur motives to brought up 9/11 to this page?
in the beginning this story only about a girl who ask opinion about her life decision, not about religion debate

and I always think religion debate is wasting time bcz we hell know that every believer will defend what their beliefs

yes I am a muslim, and no am not a terorrist!

so r u against homosexual too?

I didn't know you were Muslim. Besides, what does you being a Muslim have to do with the murderous actions of a group of fanatics?

More importantly, why are you identifying with them? Do you share their theology and feel guilty for what they did to all those innocent people?

okay well, stop this out, I hate this kind of debate, u sound smart and cute
actually this thing is turn me on ^ ^

Why are you identifying with terrorists? Do you share their theology and feel guilty for what they did to all those innocent people who died on 9/11?

well thats bcouse u r very obviously accusing that, thats why i need to defend my self and my belief, but am not feel guilty at all , what for?
and I even was still a kid when that happened just watched in tv news not really remember what it was , it was happened in half cross world far from me and i wasnt awared for that,so its kind of really surprised for me to find ppl like u who like to digged what has happened in old days and blamed things to this and that...
even i admitted u r smart in words and salute u for that, but this kind of never ending comments really makes me tired, its fun at the first but tiring ^ ^

Like I said, I had no idea you were Muslim. Moreover, I never blamed Islam for 9/11. I blamed Al-Qaeda's theology and Al-Qaeda's religion.

The only reason you, or anyone else, for that matter, would take offense to that is if you share their theology and their religion.

Do you? Do you believe exactly as they do?

woaaaah!! Very interesting debate between the two of you dears...I think Mr. Maximillian you are trying to insist that the one who really have done this are the Muslim Community...dont try make the blame on one sided, try to see all the side of this incident.

Only if Al-Qaeda is the Muslim community. Is that the case?

@ maxxi, okay u never blamed Islam but only blamed alqaeda religion oh my lol, all ppl in the world maybe except u know what is ppl in Alqaeda religion or maybe u must seen each of their id to make sure

and yes we share the same religion like its written in my id its written same ^ ^

and I get offense bcz u clearly accusing the theology, which me and maybe hundred million ppl thats share the same religion but not the same ideology with them, me and alot of Muslims never been teach or even I heard our religion leader told us to killed other ppl, I've been teach to do good things if I want to go heaven and if i did bad i will go to hell, just like that and I dont think killing innocent ppl is a good things.
and u must know, maybe better than me bcz u look smarter and offcourse older and maybe have more knowledge, that in every religion there always been a "wacko" ppl that interpreted theology with their own ideology somehow they become fanatic, and did extreme acts.

well kind of weird this question come from a smart guy like u
do I look have same ideology with them? hahahaha u better check my profile ^ ^

@ eureka, hahahah u inviting very serious ppl in here sweetie, its fun debate hon^ ^
I always have fun in many occasion hahaha

I've continued our discussion in a new story comment.

@byondgravity....i really like your debate between the two of you...and thankful that i've seen a another side of you...both of you are very diligent...

byondgravity, You said that was not related to the religion. Why I find these verses? Could you explain to me?

Al-baqarah [2:191] And fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress. Surely, Allah loves not the transgressors.
[2:191] اور اللہ کی راہ میں ان سے قتال کرو جو تم سے قتال کرتے ہیں اور زیادتی نہ کرو۔ یقیناً اللہ زیادتی کرنے والوں کو پسند نہیں کرتا۔

[2:192] And kill them wherever you meet them and drive them out from where they have driven you out; for persecution is worse than killing. And fight them not in, and near, the Sacred Mosque until they fight you therein. But if they fight you, then fight them: such is the requital for the disbelievers.
[2:192] اور (دورانِ قتال) انہیں قتل کرو جہاں کہیں بھی تم انہیں پاؤ اور انہیں وہاں سے نکال دو جہاں سے تمہیں انہوں نے نکالا تھا۔ اور فتنہ قتل سے زیادہ سنگین ہوتا ہے۔ اور ان سے مسجد حرام کے پاس قتال نہ کرو یہاں تک کہ وہ تم سے وہاں قتال کریں۔ پس اگر وہ تم سے قتال کریں تو پھر تم اُن کو قتل کرو۔ کافروں کی ایسی ہی جزا ہوتی ہے۔

[2:193] But if they desist, then surely Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
[2:193] پس اگر وہ باز آ جائیں تو یقیناً اللہ بہت مغفرت کرنے والا (اور) باربار رحم کرنے والا ہے۔

[2:194] And fight them until there is no persecution, and religion is freely professed for Allah. But if they desist, then remember that no hostility is allowed except against the aggressors.
[2:194] اور ان سے قتال کرتے رہو یہاں تک کہ فتنہ باقی نہ رہے اور دین (اختیار کرنا) اللہ کی خاطر ہو جائے۔ پس اگر وہ باز آ جائیں تو (زیادتی کرنے والے) ظالموں کے سوا کسی پر زیادتی نہیں کرنی۔

[2:195] The violation of a Sacred Month should be retaliated in the Sacred Month; and for all sacred things there is the law of retaliation. So, whoso transgresses against you, punish him for his transgression to the extent to which he has transgressed against you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
[2:195] عزت والا مہینہ عزت والے مہینے کا بدل ہے اور تمام حرمت والی چیزوں (کی ہتک) کا بدلہ لیا جائے گا۔ پس جو تم پر زیادتی کرے تو تم بھی اس پر ویسی ہی زیادتی کرو جیسی اس نے تم پر کی ہو۔ اور اللہ سے ڈرو اور جان لو کہ اللہ یقیناً متقیوں کے ساتھ ہے۔

This is a very dangerous preaching. How Allah can be merciful and forgiveness while he command you to KILL?

omg !see both of u r crazy!!!!!
I never fight any other religion all my life, never brought up any of other religion bible to fight other ppl beliefs u shown ur own bad sides by attacking other ppl beliefs, damned I wish i never meet any fanatic religious ppl like u both, u better lived far away from ppl who choose love, peace and shares, u ppl love to to debate till death, and forcing ppl to say u r the most right!! , I thing ppl like u r in serious damage to hate other ppl, u hate other theology, u hate other lifestyle!!

I meet and make friends with ppl in the same theology as u and with others but they r nice, friendly, lovely and not like u, no one ever bringing up this hate crap!!!

I suggest u find the right group religious debate in ep, maybe u can find group of ppl who have same hobby like u, bcz am not in the capacity to xplain this and with my limited knowledge and english vocab, I will not have that capacity.

however nomatter how hard u try, I will stay in my beliefs and with all my heart will defend if other insult that, even idk how to xplain it in English.

I commented this story bcs its written by my loving bestfriend, I will not give a damned if its written by other! nor i will not give a **** of other religion or their bibles, bcz I respect all ppl rights

u both maybe a smart *** fanatic religious, and me only an ordinary sexy *** guy ^ ^ ahemm
I came here mostly to have fun, I share love to all ppl in all gender,races, all sexual orientation, with all beliefs and in every lifestyle

maybe lot of ppl will read this and I wish there r more ppl who choose to share peace and love in the world ^ ^

and they choose to have fun than entering such crap debate!!!!!!!!!

http://www.experienceproject.com/groups/Am-Here-To-Debate-Religious-Beliefs/360457?omni

just a suggestion if u love debate ^ ^

@ eureka, lol I got headache bcz of these crap dear, makes me have to use google translate to understand, but still my lil brain dont get that hahahaha, honey... next time u better write sexy hot story or love story for I comment lol ^ ^

and stay away of this kind of topic, we r lovely people have to stay among lovely community hahahaha ^ ^ bye...

in all of verses given above ,there is told about defence war!

@arrowarrow17: From your point of view as i see it, you are trying to look the bad side of our religion without enough understanding the lines. Take for example the first verse...

"Al-baqarah [2:191] And fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress. Surely, Allah loves not the transgressors"

If you could read the line "those who fight against you", this only pertains to a self-defense purposes. If someone harmed you, defense is mostly likely needed...Sunshines333 where right about this thing. Please, dont judge the religion itself...because Islam is a religion of PEACE. It is a matter of how people interpret it.

@byondgravity: hahha...i will write maybe someday, if my feelings turns to positive....hehehe....thank you so much dear/.

byond gravity, Why are you so angry? I only asking you about the Quran. Am I swearing and insulting you? I think you are the hater.

Eureka85, I don't want to hurt. I only asking a question. I want to find out something that make sense. How can we fight against people and do not trangress( commit a sin; violate a laws of God or a moral laws)? If I were a boxer I would punch my challenger until bleeding and injure. I would make sure my challenger couldn't rise. Is this sound integrity?

hahahahah okay u may asked ppl who read this and let them think who is the hater ^ ^ u said " u hate Islam" in ur profile, I never hate any religion nor I have to give **** to read their holy book to find reason to hate

@ eureka, I dont want anyone to hurt u hon, u r my very best friend I know u get annoyed by these ppl , actually I get my tension high when read u get offensed by one of their comment thats why I get involved in this and well lol I got carried on .. hahaha, well I will kick everyone that hurt u even I will look like and ******* troll lol ^ ^

@byondgravity: I am so touched....Thank you so much dear! I didn't expect that this conversation would be this long dear. I was only wanting an opinion and not debating thing, but there is always freedom of express...but the truth...I got annoyed when they mention about praying the "wrong God". It rings my ear!

@arrowarrow17 : Why did you hate Islam? Did someone hurt?

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heeey,
i hope you'll find your confort, i just wanted to tell you something , i know many peope who fell into that problem and the cause is no solid religion , anyway i advise you to read about islam, and u'll find the truth , read it with a will not just reading for nothing ok and if you need any help i'll be here for you
hope u'll be fine and never think negatively !!

Thank you so much Ouriagli...I am glad i found someone with same religion as mine. It'll be a long battle for me....=( But I need to start now. Nwei, how can you keep that faith inside us strong? Piece of an advice?

you're muslim ?

yes.

My scripture was written a man only can married one time but not 7 times. A man must be faithful to the wife. God is respecting women rights. Women is not born to serve men as a slaves.

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Eureka85 - good ideas!