Land Of Confusion

Amazing

I think I know what you mean. Go by what you believe to be true.. not what you read about. But what you feel. Is that right?..

great point and well said. :)

If I could ask, have you ever read the Bible in its entirety? :)

Yep, I have to agree with your story!

"I don't care who the person is that is saying something. I care about what is being said.

I don't care who wrote the book. I care about what is said in the book.

I don't care what you have done. I care about what you are doing now."



This is one of my very favorite quotes EVER! I know it is not your intention, but thanks for being an inspiration!

I beg you all to laugh right now..This is history repeating itself over and over again. I defend what I believe to no one, yet I do call peeps out in this world that try to slam THEIR truths down my throat. I just tell them first it is THEIR opinion not a fact that I SHOULD do or be or whatever.. If I am wrong, It is for me to decide, no one else, I will Laugh it off and without saying it, think you are ignorant and blind to their own high opinion of themselves.

I agree, none of us should try to convert others to our religion/beliefs, and let it person learn on their own, give opinions but let it go when they do not accept, its okay because what you have learned is for your part of the journey and in my opinion, the most important part of our journeys is when we accept/allow/ and understand that we all have our OWN paths to follow, that will not be accepted by all.

My view is that the only wrong we can do, is harm animals and peeps, children-elders. That to me is the only wrong that I will never fathom, the rest is left to our decisions and if wrong to anyone, drinking, smokin, cussing, wearing dresses, male and female, then I just dont judge their beliefs in what to them is right or wrong. I in my mind think it is stupid or wrong, but that is part of my path and not to be considered truth. Besides, I do smoke, drink and cuss, yet I was a bible thumper for 2 years. I have walked in ,many shoes to gain insight into all sides, and we all differ in what is right or wrong. Yet we all agree with animals and peeps NO HARM. And that is gonna be about all peeps can agree on about beliefs. Peeps adopt many things I say, why? Because maybe it resonates as an adoption to their souls? Dunno! I make too much sense that even I can't believe came from this mortal being.

I like how 777 said that right or wrong DOES NOT CHANGE for anybody - unfortunately many religious zealots and new age freaks make the wrong seem right falling back on lies... when there is any sense of idolatry there is no 'right or wrong' only the being right no matter how wrong!

It doesnt matter what we each beleive, if someone gains wisdom from what we have written that their spirit can use on the path they have chosen then good. Many good peeps that are spiritual and not religious like me, are still assuming that their truth shoes fit all feet and damn it if they don't. Fine to all, have your system for your path. grow and gain in wisdom, but what you believ can be shared yet maybe reconsider trying to bring others to your view? We each have a different path to enlightenment, just gain insight and wisdom and grow little sprouts, For me, I view MY SPIRIT IS HERE INCARNATED IN THIS HUMAN BODY WITH THE INTENTIONS OF GAINING INSIGHT AND WISDOM, AND THAT IS THRU HARD TIMES AND HURDLES THAT I LEARN TIME AND TIME AGAIN, SHE, MY INNER WARRIOR HAS AN AGENDA FOR HER JOURNEY THRU LIVING IN THIS MORTAL BEING. THAT IS HER GOAL, I AM JUST ALONG FOR THE RIDE. AGREE OR NOT, THAT IS MY PATH, I am learning more and more all the time, sometimes reading, tv etc. But I take what my spirit feels, and leave the rest. Maybe it isnt time for you to read and really understand the book you tossed aside, but eventually it may catch your eye,, when you are ready.. We are all so lucky, in the fact that we arent caught in the drama of life and are even aware of our spirits, therefore, we are aware of a path, and it hopefully realize they will differ, but end where they are supposed to end. My spirit has the say so for me.

Well, I started out completely loving Abyss's story and the beginning posts - and then I got lost . . . But I wanted to share some of my thoughts that came to me . . at the beginning.



I think that there are many good people here on EP. I think that we are all trying to find our way the best we can. I do believe in God as an actual being. I believe that Satan is indeed an actual spirit, the opposite of God. I believe that there are "universal truths" - clear right and wrong. I believe that all of us learn in different ways and that God knows this and challenges us to grow in the ways that will help us as individuals to grow and improve to meet our potential. But the "right and wrong" do not change for any individual.



I believe there is a Holy Spirit which is what God uses to touch the hearts AND minds of all of us. But because of the Spirit's goodness and because it only "speaks" truth, if we are not spiritually in tune, we cannot understand what it is trying to tell us. And when I say "spiritually in tune", I don't mean ghosts or demons or angels or what have you. Or that someone is greater in value to God and someone else. Rather I mean that a person is trying their best to live in accordance with pure goodness. (being kind, honest, loving, a true friend) That is when we are most receptive to feel the influence of the Holy Spirit. I believe that the Holy Spirit brings peace to us. And if our lives are too busy, if we are angry or selfish, etc., that is what prevents the Spirit from being actually ABLE to teach us. . . .And now my brain is dead again and I really should just go to bed. ; )

Hello All,



From The Tao



When they lose their sense of awe,

People turn to religion.

When they no longer trust themselves,

They begin to depend upon authority.

Therefore the Master steps back

So that people won’t be confused.

He/She teaches without a teaching,

So that people will have nothing to learn.



Yes, keep it simple and pure in heart.



Abyss,



If you can get a copy of Tao Te Ching, is worth it as this book is not about religion and many masters use it as a tool.



To Peace....

@ANACHEL



yeah I know what it means, but some new age freaks take it out WAY OUT OF HAND... throwing the whole thing OVERBOARD with their utter ignorance and need for RECOGNITION AS A UNIQUE and different individual let's say with "angelic super powers" FEEDING THE PUNY EGO LMAO.

you say the SOUL cannot get hurt, well that is TRUE if you can face yourself for what you truly are, seeing your own faults in all others around you...letting them reflect it back to you, accepting that your soul is no different or separate from that of others.

There is that new age saying in lak'ech or namaste - - "bow to the God in others"... but to do that is TO IDOLIZE MAN... we must SEE GOD IN MAN, not BOW TO MAN... WE MUST WORSHIP THE SPIRIT OF GOD WITHIN MAN AND NOT MAN'S EGO... they understand it wrong, the more they are influenced by their false egos and pride, the more they err in their understanding of their "terminology or beliefs".

when can man ever be EQUAL TO GOD??? Man is not GOD!!! Man cannot CREATE like GOD... CAN YOU CREATE AN ENTIRE PLANET? can any NEW AGER? i DON'T THINK SO.



Since the industrial revolution began materialism began to thrive, and made man think that THE MATERIAL is Divine power, and if he can use it right he can be 'GOD'.



There is also a false EGO and a true EGO... a clouded mind and an enlightened mind.



To understand the difference between mind and soul, you must first understand the polarities of the masculine and feminine residing within yourself... mind and soul form one SPIRITUAL body yes, but they are NOT THE SAME THING.

Good post. Well said.

Gothic,

I think that the ego is the mind, yes. New Age also says that? Does that make me new age?

If I say treat others as you would have them treat you, does that make me a christian?

You are the one that labels everything. I don't see myself as new age or christian or anything.



I am not talking about seeing with your heart. I am just saying wisdom can't be found in the mind, at least not the spiritual wisdom and knowing of things.



You say the ego is the soul and the mind is spirit? to me it is the other way around.

I also didn't say placing anyone above god, or god above anyone. I said on the same level.

since there the SPIRIT of God is to be seen in all things, and cannot be seen in all things, if there is this egotistic dominance going on on a global level bringing separation among people when some think they are better than others because the WORLD told them so... so if the Spirit is not seen, the Spirit remains so to say DEAD and so does TRUTH to that souls.

you see the WAYS of the world DOES NOT WANT PEOPLE to know about GOD OR SPIRIT, for then they will lose mind control over the masses... and there would be INTERNATIONAL upheaval if all were really awakened to the GREAT SCAM OF ALL TIMES - - the illusion spun by the material world, making people's souls empty with material endeavors..breeding zombies...yeah very simple actually.



But you see then you get NEW AGERS who think they have awakened, yet feel alive, yet are under severe control of the world's dark forces... so sad... they are still zombies and dead of soul without Spirit.

Furthermore you asked does the new age place people above God or does it bring people to God?



Well to the spiritually educated mind is so damn clear that the NEW AGE does not bring people to God but only to the EGO... FOR they only indulge in their souls (individual EGO) instead of the Spirit (the UNIVERSAL MIND)... that is why they lack true knowledge of Spirit, and that is also the reason as to why they love themselves more than ever listening to something that threatens the existence of EGO.



They think they are God indulging in self-love, but really God is ABOVE THEM, and as long as they won't recognize that, they will continue to lead others astray in their ignorance as well.

Real enlightenment is all about the mind you see, for the soul is just Heart, but the REAL MIND is Spirit...the lower self (soul - feminine) and the Higherself (Spirit-masculine).

LOL...



You speak of things you know nothing of... it makes you look like a fool... go and do your research first before trying to sound like some authority on NEW AGE religion.



Yes the EGO IS THE MIND, that is what the NEW AGE MOVEMENT is propping into people's heads, it is illuminati propaganda as seen also in the movie "eat pray love" to see with your heart and not your mind - - when people only feel with irrational feelings of the Heart, then they GIVE AWAY their ability to THINK... they are giving their minds away, letting their hearts rule...



That is the whole deal of the FEMININE ENERGY movement to REJECT THE MASCULINE pure thought and logic... NOW THAT IS UTTER SATANIC (keeping people in the dark, using RELIGION AS MASS CONTROL METHOD), there is no Balance they speak of whatsoever.



You see dear boy, the world DOES NOT WANT YOU TO THINK WITH A STRAIGHT HEAD when they want to CONTROL YOUR MIND.

Gothic,

Is New Age a religion? does the "new age" movement say this? the end of the world, join or die?

Does the new age movement place everyone at the level of god or do they place god at the level of everyone else?



Gothic to me the opposite is true. The mind is the ego. The mind does not know the truth, because it has an interest in it. Therefor the truth changes to whatever fits the ego if you follow your mind. You can find the truth in being still, by being out of your mind.. quite literally.

@abyss



You said:



Posted by Abyss25 on Nov 16th, 2011 at 12:09PM



SnowCrystal.

My initial story was not just about religion. But it definitely applies there.

Religions binds their believers by using fear, the fear of displeasing god, the fear of going to hell.

There is also the fact that they tell you about false prophets, which makes it even harder to look beyond your own religion.



I say:



Well the NEW AGE religion and "godlike" people are being used in the same way - - they spread fear - - it is going to be the end of the world, and all must JOIN THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT and follow its crazy beliefs, or you will be labeled as a "dark one" that will be eliminated from the face of EARTH, yeah they speak of some genocide of those that fail to follow their beliefs... which is odd, since the world must end, so why do they want to kill people? Some major b*llShixting going on!! Think about it.

@snowcrystal



Well said about people seeing the Bible as some IDOL, a book seen as God... in many of the new age cases "people" are being idolized as well, a person seen as God - - clinging to EGOS OF PEOPLE instead of the message of God.



@abyss



I agree with anachel, you cannot just feel something to be "right" - - look at many of these new age maniacs, they feel that "being an angel" is right to them, they believe their own lies - - many times a thing that feels right is not always right...



Do not confuse FEELING with THOUGHT (knowing) - - for the heart (emotions) and mind (thoughts) must be in balance if you ever want to know Truth... many times the Mind can save the Heart, but also vice versa many times the Mind can save the Heart...



But unfortunately in many of the so called "angel cases" people are betrayed by their hearts because they felt like losing their minds...and not listening to any reason whatsoever, it is a fatal error especially in their cases - - but also in people CLINGING TO ONE RELIGION, feeling that is the right way to go, but feeling doesn't necessarily means KNOWING... for to know, one must question the Heart, and not just let the Heart and all its irrational desires run free without some answerable outcome.

Thanks for sharing this Abyss!!

SnowCrystal.

My initial story was not just about religion. But it definitely applies there.

Religions binds their believers by using fear, the fear of displeasing god, the fear of going to hell.

There is also the fact that they tell you about false prophets, which makes it even harder to look beyond your own religion.



A question to you SnowCrystal.

You also say GOD is the only one who can say if you are saved. Do you think some people will not be "saved" ? ever ? what will become of them? do you believe in hell?

It is not just the "angels." It happens in a lot of religions, as well. Christianity, Judaism, etc. They believe that their Torah, Bible, etc. is the word of their God. They refuse to believe anything otherwise. They refuse to question that which is written on paper written BY MAN, NOT God, and yet they still claim it as His word without further questions or doubts.



Why???



Because it is how they have been raised. They have been raised to see an IDOL, like the Bible, Torah, etc., as Truth. Doesn't the bible chastize glorifying Idols? Or am I incorrect to assume this? When the Bible (as well as other religious books) have become an IDOL in a sense and claimed as the word of the Lord.



Mind you, there is nothing wrong with using Idols like these books as LONG as it is used for the greater good in finding one's self, one's spirit, and bringing them closer to God, and is NOT used to PLAY GOD and is NOT USED to cast stones at others for believing otherwise. "Do not judge lest ye be judged yourself." It is ironic how in the very scriptures of the book they idolize, the bible, it says do not judge, yet then they judge ANYWAY and cast stones at others, PLAYING GOD by saying "you are going to Hell if you do not believe this book (an idol) as the Word."



That in itself, is just bigotry. And then these same people claim to be "saved" because they believe such idols, and claim to know and love God. ONLY GOD can determine if you are saved or not, NOT YOU.