Where Is God?

All the good that I see done for people is done by people.  Same with the bad.  Nature will come along with a catastrophy and people will step up and help each other out.  People will also take advantage of others, stealing raping, killing, etc.  How many people buried in the rubble in Haiti called out to God and were ignored?  Some were saved by people but I didn't see God.  Only people, good or bad.

Raving12 Raving12
41-45, F
15 Responses Jan 28, 2010

Hi Dear , you said all good things which happened to people u see is done by people! What abot the rain, the sun rise every day , the way you breath every day? Is that done by people, think again.

The world seems to operate exactly the way it would if there were no God.

well, i see the same.

When I was a teenager, I used to meditate, though I didn't know it by that name at the time. Once, I was so deep into it that for a very brief moment I experienced a Universal Consciousness. I was so startled that I came out of my meditation almost immediately. For that moment that I was there, I still remember that I had all the knowledge of the Universe right there. I remember feeling a connection with everyone and everthing in the Universe but I did not find a God there. I have never been able to attain such a deep meditative state again but I'll never forget that time though I did not get to bring all that knowledge back with me.

I supposed you have an imagination of the god projecting it and looking for your own projection.
I know that all people are seaching somehow, some peole looking for mony to fulfill their desires, some people having been satisfied already looking for the happiness in the drugs or sex or any thing else. the truth is that it is to difficult to live insipid to say without happiness. The people who had experieced the satisfaction finding out that it is not the as the blisshappiness have suicied.

He(Buddha) preached a religion in which there was no motive power, and was perfectly agnostic about metaphysics or theories about God. He was often asked if there was a God, and he answered, he did not know. When asked about right conduct, he would reply, "Do good and be good." There came five Brâhmins, who asked him to settle their discussion. One said, "Sir, my book says that God is such and such, and that this is the way to come to God." Another said, "That is wrong, for my book says such and such, and this is the way to come to God"; and so the others. He listened calmly to all of them, and then asked them one by one, "Does any one of your books say that God becomes angry, that He ever injures anyone, that He is impure?" "No, Sir, they all teach that God is pure and good." "Then, my friends, why do you not become pure and good first, that you may know what God is?"<br />
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Of course I do not endorse all his philosophy. I want a good deal of metaphysics, for myself. I entirely differ in many respects, but, because I differ, is that any reason why I should not see the beauty of the man? He was the only man who was bereft of all motive power. There were other great men who all said they were the Incarnations of God Himself, and that those who would believe in them would go to heaven. But what did Buddha say with his dying breath? "None can help you; help yourself; work out your own salvation." He said about himself, "Buddha is the name of infinite knowledge, infinite as the sky; I, Gautama, have reached that state; you will all reach that too if you struggle for it." Bereft of all motive power, he did not want to go to heaven, did not want money; he gave up his throne and everything else and went about begging his bread through the streets of India, preaching for the good of men and animals with a heart as wide as the ocean.<br />
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He was the only man who was ever ready to give up his life for animals to stop a sacrifice. He once said to a king, "If the sacrifice of a lamb helps you to go to heaven, sacrificing a man will help you better; so sacrifice me." The king was astonished. And yet this man was without any motive power. He stands as the perfection of the active type, and the very height to which he attained shows that through the power of work we can also attain to the highest spirituality.<br />
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To many the path becomes easier if they believe in God. But the life of Buddha shows that even a man who does not believe in God, has no metaphysics, belongs to no sect, and does not go to any church, or temple, and is a confessed materialist, even he can attain to the highest. We have no right to judge him. I wish I had one infinitesimal part of Buddha's heart. Buddha may or may not have believed in God; that does not matter to me. He reached the same state of perfection to which others come by Bhakti — love of God — Yoga, or Jnâna. Perfection does not come from belief or faith. Talk does not count for anything. Parrots can do that. Perfection comes through the disinterested performance of action.<br />
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~ Swami Vivekananda

Swami Vivekananda...<br />
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Our duty to others means helping others; doing good to the world. Why should we do good to the world? Apparently to help the world, but really to help ourselves. We should always try to help the world, that should be the highest motive in us; but if we consider well, we find that the world does not require our help at all. This world was not made that you or I should come and help it. I once read a sermon in which it was said, "All this beautiful world is very good, because it gives us time and opportunity to help others." Apparently, this is a very beautiful sentiment, but is it not a blasphemy to say that the world needs our help? We cannot deny that there is much misery in it; to go out and help others is, therefore, the best thing we can do, although in the long run, we shall find that helping others is only helping ourselves. As a boy I had some white mice. They were kept in a little box in which there were little wheels, and when the mice tried to cross the wheels, the wheels turned and turned, and the mice never got anywhere. So it is with the world and our helping it. The only help is that we get moral exercise. This world is neither good nor evil; each man manufactures a world for himself. If a blind man begins to think of the world, it is either as soft or hard, or as cold or hot. We are a mass of happiness or misery; we have seen that hundreds of times in our lives. As a rule, the young are optimistic and the old pessimistic. The young have life before them; the old complain their day is gone; hundreds of desires, which they cannot fulfil struggle in their hearts. Both are foolish nevertheless. Life is good or evil according to the state of mind in which we look at it, it is neither by itself. Fire, by itself, is neither good nor evil. When it keeps us warm we say, "How beautiful is fire!" When it burns our fingers, we blame it. Still, in itself it is neither good nor bad. According as we use it, it produces in us the feeling of good or bad; so also is this world. It is perfect. By perfection is meant that it is perfectly fitted to meet its ends. We may all be perfectly sure that it will go on beautifully well without us, and we need not bother our heads wishing to help it.<br />
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Yet we must do good; the desire to do good is the highest motive power we have, if we know all the time that it is a privilege to help others. Do not stand on a high pedestal and take five cents in your hand and say, "Here, my poor man," but be grateful that the poor man is there, so that by making a gift to him you are able to help yourself. It is not the receiver that is blessed, but it is the giver. Be thankful that you are allowed to exercise your power of benevolence and mercy in the world, and thus become pure and perfect. All good acts tend to make us pure and perfect. What can we do at best? Build a hospital, make roads, or erect charity asylums. We may organise a charity and collect two or three millions of dollars, build a hospital with one million, with the second give balls and drink champagne, and of the third let the officers steal half, and leave the rest finally to reach the poor; but what are all these? One mighty wind in five minutes can break all your buildings up. What shall we do then? One volcanic eruption may sweep away all our roads and hospitals and cities and buildings. Let us give up all this foolish talk of doing good to the world. It is not waiting for your or my help; yet we must work and constantly do good, because it is a blessing to ourselves. That is the only way we can become perfect. No beggar whom we have helped has ever owed a single cent to us; we owe everything to him, because he has allowed us to exercise our charity on him. It is entirely wrong to think that we have done, or can do, good to the world, or to think that we have helped such and such people. It is a foolish thought, and all foolish thoughts bring misery. We think that we have helped some man and expect him to thank us, and because he does not, unhappiness comes to us. Why should we expect anything in return for what we do? Be grateful to the man you help, think of him as God. Is it not a great privilege to be allowed to worship God by helping our fellow men? If we were really unattached, we should escape all this pain of vain expectation, and could cheerfully do good work in the world. Never will unhappiness or misery come through work done without attachment. The world will go on with its happiness and misery through eternity.

What about all the people who prayed to be saved and were ignored? The bible says to pray and that it be done if it is God's will. If everything is done to God's will, why bother praying? Wouldn't the more proper prayer be, "You'll do want you want so why should I bother asking for anything?"

Maybe God had something to do with all of those people helping in some way!


If your children were terrified and in danger would you not want to comfort them and make them safe? If your child had cancer and you could cure it easily, wouldn't you? If some low life scum kidnapped your child, then brutally raped and murdered them, would you not rip that person limb from limb and hang the remains from the trees? If you knew your child was going to do something horrible wouldn't you stop them?<br />
I'm just saying I don't see God anywhere. I see humans, good and bad and the choices they make.

I think that an apathetic god makes most sence...it has to many children to care about without revealing itself

Why would he be interest in his children?<br />
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would you have respect for any of them?

If there is a God he seems to have no interest in humanity at all. So why bother with religion?

God has more important things to do than babysit humanity