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Disclaimer:  The views stated below are my own personal views.  I do not mind if you disagree with them.  I am merely stating what I believe, and not what you should believe.  If you want to discuss my views in relation to your own calmly and like an adult, feel free to do so on this thread.  If you just want to rant and call me names, I please ask that you just refrain from posting.  Sorry, but I've had fights like this break out before...

 

As you will know if you've read some of my other stories on religious belief, I am an agnostic.  Because of this, I have no problem with people believing in God or any other deity they want.  I accept that I cannot either prove or disprove their existence, so there for I have no reason to question the logic of their faith.

 

However, what I do take offense to is people to insist that their religious views are the only ones that could possibly true, and maintain that you're either an idiot or a sinner for doing so.  Evangelical Christians seem to bear the brunt of my rage in this matter, as I seem to encounter so many of them.  I've been told so many times that I'm going to Hell because I haven't been baptized.  Fair enough.  Maybe I will.  I'll find out when I die, won't I?  I live a good life and I'm as moral as I can be.  I don't appreciate being told that I'm an idiot just because I'm not a Christian.

 

To be fair, the flip side of the coin also annoys me.  I hate the atheists who believe that they are superior to all religious people.  They seem to pop up an awful lot on the religious threads of EP, telling people that they're clearly idiots if they believe in 'faery tales' such as the existence of God.  Honestly, you seem to hate people who insist that God exists, but you're being just as annoying insisting that he doesn't.  Evangelical Christians treat non-Christians like dirt, and self-superior atheists do the same to non-atheists.

 

As someone who truly appreciates religious freedoms and diversity, it just really winds me up...

Ryuuzaki Ryuuzaki 22-25, F 19 Responses Feb 26, 2009

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Amen your right

Very open-minded. Can't stand forceful extremist types nor can I stand thick-headed,self-centered, know-it-all atheists. Thank God I'm neither.

I agree with you. Both corset Christians and acerbic Atheists are obnoxious.

Nicely put, Spirit. I agree with you. I don't really care what a person believes in, be it God, Atheismo or the FSM. If they're living a good life and are happy then fair play to them.

It is very difficult to change a faith that you have been brought up with. I had to go to a Christian primary school as there were no other schools in the area, and I found myself being constantly upset as a kid when the priest who came into school to teach us religion would say that even unbaptized babies go to Hell (I wasn't baptized). Personally, I switched to agnosticism when I was finally sick of being told things that seemed to clash with my common sense - like how being gay was sinful.<br />
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Though, even though Christianity is not really the religion for me, I still say fair-play to anyone who wants to follow it. I take acception only when they try to assert their views on non-Christians.

I suppose im agnostic too, i don't quite 'believe', but i do hope. Being brought up a Catholic, it's quite a difficult faith to drop, as from day one you're told that this is the one true church, the one true faith, blah blah, blah - but im guessing evangelists also believe this, as do Jews, as do Muslims and every other organised religion out there. In my heart im Pagan, yet i still attend church and i do get some good out of it, but i must admit, i spend a lot of time rolling my eyes as well, when politics are being spoken at the pulpit - issues like abortion(im pro-choice) homosexuality, contraception and so on i don't think belong in God's house; preaching intolerance is so far away from Jesus' message that i wonder why they fail to see the irony - these issues are human issues, not spiritual and i'll also admit that i do resent a celibate telling me how i should or should not run my sex life, but that's just me. I also get a bit annoyed with people saying they'll pray for me; i find it patronising, because often they say it, not because they are concerned, but to feel superior, like they have the monopoly on spirituality. This thread reminds me of a Kevin Smith film, called Dogma, and in particular a line said by Chris Rock, who played the only black disciple of Jesus, Rufus. He said "the thing that really pissed J.C. off was the **** that was done in his name" and "The problem lies with 'belief'. People will die for their beliefs, will kill for their beliefs and you can't change beliefs, they're too rigid. Now ideas you can change, ideas you can alter. It's much better to have an idea than faith"<br />
Like Linda Fiorentino in the same film - i don't 'believe' but i have a good idea.<br />
And for every Bible quote which condemns you, there is a quote which absolves you. my favourite story from the bible is Luke,chapter 18, verses 9-14 - the parable of the pharisee and the tax-collector & this is it;<br />
'To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a pharisee and the other a tax-collector. The pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that i am not like other men - robbers, evildoers, adulterers - or even like this tax-collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all that i get.<br />
But the tax-collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, "God, have mercy on me, a sinner."<br />
"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exhalts himself shall be humbled, and he who humbles himself shall be exhalted."<br />
Think this hits the nail on the head - and a lot of hard-line Christians would do well to read this passage themselves, as it's their saviours words, not mine!<br />
I don't know what to believe, but i won't rubbish other people's beliefs if they don't tally with mine.

I agree Mary. I find it interesting to consider everyone's beliefs. I really enjoy considering the world from different points of view. That's one of the things that I really enjoy when learning about other people's religions and spiritual beliefs.

I agree with all I have read here, It is all about indaveual choises. Sorry for my bad spelling, I have my own spiritual way, actually, I tend to take all of the beliefs in,so I can have the whole picture. Mary

I think it is your right to believe what you want. And no one should ever force their "Beliefs" on you. I believe there is a God and Jesus is his son.. And for me there is no other way to go... But I would never insist and argue with someone that they should believe that... If someone does dot hat they are not a true believer...Some people come forth as sheep in wolves clothing..So I don't blame you for your what you believe...Just seek the truth.. there is one..you just have to find it on your own.

Good for you Jojo. I'm glad you're surviving in the bible belt despite not being a Christian. I think I'd go slowly insane in a situation like that.

Thank you for clarifying Ryuuzaki. Having posted many times in the "I am an Atheist" group, there are so many Christians who feel they have to come in there and quote scripture and the like. We have no morals, etc. It is wrong. That's all I was saying. Yes, I've seen self righteousness from the Atheist side too. Having lived in the Bible Belt for so many years and having to keep my non belief to myself for fear of reprisal toward my children, I have finally let my Atheism be known. I don't care what people think now. I am a productive member of society who is active in the community. I was active and did good things before people knew I was Atheist so there isn't a damn thing people can say about me now except I'm "one of them!" meaning a Democrat. I'm in a minority in that aspect too but I have fun getting my point across. <br />
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Haha Mary! You're great with the acronyms! Those are hysterical! I'll have to remember those!<br />
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Bushwkr I was raised in a strict Catholic family. Church, catechism, communion, confirmation. I was confirmed against my will but I did it to please my parents. I was 13, what could I do? At least I had my own set of beliefs that I wasn't afraid to lie and have the whole church crumble down around me! LOL After all, it was only a building with statues in it to me! So, I appreciate your faith. I however, don't believe. Thanks! All the best.<br />
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I totally agree with you, Rain.

JojoWazoo - You're not the kind of atheist I was criticising. I'm sorry if it came across as a slight against all atheists, but I meant to criticise the people who are very angry towards non-atheists. I'm sure you've encountered the sort on here before, who seem to turn up mainly on Christian themed posts just to tell them that God is a faery story and they're idiots for believing in them. Those I find just as annoying as the evangelical Christians who are obsessed with 'conversion'.<br />
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VeronicaRose - I was once bible quoted by a Christian when I was in a fight (started by him, may I add) about my obvious going to Hell. He quoted me Matthew 28:16-19 "The eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had ordered them. When they saw him, they worshiped, but they doubted. Then Jesus approached and said to them, "All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age."". That passage, unfortunately, does kind of state that a good Christian is an Evangelical one, and naturally is the one that seems frequently quoted by the holier-than-thou type to justify themselves...<br />
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Bushwackr - Very well put.

I know how you feel and I don't blame I was born and raised catholic and had it force fed to me since before kindergarten. Don't get me wrong I still have the faith but have seen and heard so much hypocrisy that anytime anyone tries to preach their own beliefs onto you it is a total turnoff to me. Any religion or belief has to stay where it belongs...with the owner of said belief or religion

Christianity is one beggar telling another beggar where he found bread. Real Christians love people and want them to be saved. The Bible defines love in 1Corinthians 13: patient, kind, not proud, not envious, not arrogant, among other things. If you do not see these characteristics, you are likely not dealing with a Christian.

This is my kind of story and then some, I am a spiritual being having a human expereance, I do not believe that God called his people Christians, I made up these words that spell christian.It goes like this Cramped,Human's,Restricted,Inside,Strutured, Temples,Insanily,Againest,Nature. I made that up myself,at a rainbow gathering,and this man got mad at me for saying that and kicked me out of his camp, I just went accross the street and called him a d.u.m.m.y., Dude, Unaware, Magic ,Manafested ,You. The only thing that matters to God is that we love one another. Love and Light make everything right, Thanks for your words.Mary

Speaking for myself only, as an atheist, I tend to get riled because Christians feel the need to get their point across in an effort to sway my belief, er, non belief. I resent this. I am an Atheist. If you're not. ok, more power to you but don't label me with stereotypes like I have no morals, I'm going to hell. You know them, you've heard them all before too. One of my best friends is a Muslim. I respect that. We talk about her beliefs and my non belief. She accepts me for who I am, as do most of my other theist friends.<br />
Thanks for letting me vent on this. I don't have anything to prove.....

Very well put. I agree.

Believing and questioning matters of faith is one thing, though. Asserting that all people that disagree with you are necessarily wrong is another.