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My Vision...

Recently, I had a vision. It actually transpired just this past Friday. I was debating with people on a Christian board here on EP. I wanted their opinion on the Bible. Well, the minute I even questioned the Bible as the word of the Lord, I was defamed and accused of going against God, and even called an Atheist. When, in fact, I LOVE God and Jesus more than ANYTHING. It is just proven fact that the book, the Bible, was written by MAN, not Jesus or God himself. Because of this, I cannot call a book, written by man and not divinity, THE word of the Lord. I cannot call a book written by so called "disciples" as the Word of God. People are biased, and likely to write their own STORIES of interpretations of what happened in Jesus' life. So how can I take a bunch of writings, which as aforementioned, are their interpretations of events that transpired, as the word of God?? I use the Bible to learn about Jesus' life and teachings, and take with it what I will, but I do not claim it to be the word of the Lord. And mind you, the Bible was written HUNDREDS of years AFTER Jesus' death, so how can a bible written DECADES later be the word of God, when not only was it written by MAN, but hundreds of years AFTER the events, which makes it highly flawed and words and such likely to be changed around? It cannot be the word of God, for it was not written by God. This is where Christians disagree. They asked me to PROVE what I claimed. Prove it was not written by God. Yet they HAVE THEIR PROOF IN THE BIBLE ITSELF! The book of Michael, etc. is written by THOSE DESCIPLES. It was NOT written BY GOD or Jesus themselves! So, it is NOT the word of God, but a document/book put together based on all these writings. It is why I can no longer truly call myself a Christian....

Anyway, back to the vision. After what transpired, I said a prayer to the Lord, asking for any sort of sign or proof if I was RIGHT or WRONG in my claims. I was open to BOTH ideas, mind you. I just wanted proof as to whether the Bible was the word of our Father or was it just the words of men? I also asked for FORGIVENESS if I was in any way WRONG. Well, I got a response, in a vision that I could not shake from my brain....

It was not a pretty one, to say the least..... Christians would say it was a message from the devil.... but it wasn't. I prayed, and I saw the vision. I prayed for God to show me the truth. If ANYTHING of what I had said here or assumed to be True was wrong, I wanted Him to show me. Then I got the vision... It was a horrid one. It made me cry when I saw it.... In this vision, I saw CHRISTIANS.... yes, Christians.... on chains, naked, chained by Satan himself, as they laid naked on the floor, which was bare and hard. In their hands was the Bible. One of them cried and prayed... hoping for God to save them. He didn't..... instead the devil laughed and lashed at them..... the bible fell out of the one guy's hands onto the soiled ground.... Then I saw a light, and I heard the words of the Lord. And he spoke. He spoke how it saddened him to see all the segregation and separation that had happened in the Christian Faith, but not only that how so much hate is brought on by these religious beliefs, and the BIble among them has caused so much disdain. And how it is love, and understanding of all cultures, religions, etc. is what he wants to see. Not this separation and anger, hate, distrust. But I am sure many will doubt the credibility of the vision... Yet what I saw was very clear.... and I felt a divine presence as I envisioned it. The next two days, a lot of positive changes have taken place in my life. I had the vision Friday... and between Saturday and Sunday, those two days were probably the most blessed days I have had in a long time. I found things long lost, and a lot of other good things started happening. I do not take either of these as mere coincidences. So if I am so wrong.... then why did I have the vision, and why did it feel divine?? I prayed for God to show me the TRUTH, if I was wrong.... but that is what I saw.... and it was very clear on what it meant. I had no doubt the message that was being portrayed to me. Then I heard HIS words. Only to feel divinity while he spoke. Then what transpired the next day, it just all flowed so smoothly and perfectly, like it is really the work of God....


UPDATE: I want to clarify something. My vision, or what have you, does NOT mean it literally means Christians who follow the bible are going to Hell. What I got from the message was Him saying that due to the flaws in the Christian Faith to believe the book as the word of God, and due to the fact that people use it as a means to not only dicate their lives, but put their beliefs upon others, only further separates them from the Lord....


It does not mean they are not loved by God, nor that God has abandoned them. Just that if they continue to follow such beliefs, it will lead them further from the Truth. The bible is NOT holy.... is what the message that was portrayed. It is stories, and teachings of what transpired. Much like a history book... but it is not the word of the Lord. That is why there was the image of Satan.... how man has corrupted his teachings to us through his disciples by writing books, and not only that, by mistaking the words of the books as the literal words of our Lord and Savior.
SnowCrystal SnowCrystal 26-30, F 50 Responses Oct 17, 2011

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you are right! The bible is written by men! the ten commandments and the apostles creed, are all works of man! The LAW OF NATURE IS GODS LAW! and the bible does not teach what Jesus taught!

I read your story and it is interesting but a few things came to mind.One if God does not want people to read His holy word then why has He made sure it has been preserved all these yrs?<br />
He even states in His Bible that He is responsible for His word to be read and that He made it available for any to read in it.Jesus himself said that his word could pass away but not his Fathers.<br />
I believe you had a dream but I don't think your dream invalidates the Bible.Since God only speaks to us through His holy Bible it would not be Him that would nullify His Bible.<br />
The Bible teaches people how to love God,themselves and their fellow man.It is the only book that one can gain life from according the Jesus.I also do not find any flaws in the Christian faith,not sure what flaws you are referring too but anyway than you for sharing your story.<br />
I do enjoy friendly conversations about the Bible.I do not judge others in how they want to believe but at the same time I am always willing to discuss why I believe the way i do.

Again, you are looking at words inscribed in a leather bound book, written by man, saying "He said it was His word." Never did Jesus claim to be God, nor did he claim the Bible as His word (God's word). He spoke the words the Lord (his Father) had taught him, and ONLY quoted what God had said to him (Jesus). When he said "You can only get to Heaven through Me," he was referring that his Father, our God, said that you can only get to heaven through Him, and by no other means. Never did he indicate himself. It is canon religions that indicate otherwise.

And mind you, the bible was compiled hundreds of years AFTER Jesus' death, during the time of Constantine's reign, around 337 AD.

The actual scriptures themselves were written between 48 and 95 AD.... which is 48+ years after the birth of Jesus, and approx. 18-65 years after his death, as he died around the age of 30. The book itself was then compiled, and only select documents and SECTIONS OF DOCUMENTS were included, while a lot were left out.

No the first books were written by Moses,thousands of yrs before Jesus was born.The last book was written by John on the Isle of Patmos.
The Bible says "God inspired men to write the words written in the form of a scroll!So we know what is written is what God wanted written.Are there a few errors from copiest over the yrs,yes but it doesn't change the meaning of what God wanted written.
That is why the scripture says "the word of God is alive and exerts power"
Jesus also condemned the pharasies for trying to invalidate his Fathers word by their traditions.I am not one to believe Jesus is God but that his Father is the almighty God.

God doesn't only speak through the Bible. Wow, would He be limited if He could only speak through the Bible! He speaks through the Holy Spirit in our hearts and spirits.

According to the Bible His Holy Spirit guides people but it does not speak.He has spoken to us through His word the Bible and in it contain enough information to worship Him the way He wants to be worshiped and also to gain life.

Again... the bible was neither written by Jesus or God. And Jesus is God's Son, like we are His Children. We are all Children of God. Jesus is one of his Children, who was sent to show God's examples of love. However, being human, and growing up in a society where the Old Testament was accepted, Jesus accepted the old testament because he was raised as a Jew. Jesus was human. No one is perfect, and people stick to what they are taught and learned... so did Jesus.

The bible was written by his apostles. Not Jesus himself even, and most certainly NOT God. And as you said, the first testament was written by Moses, a man. Again, NOT written by God himself...

They may have been inspired by God when writing it, but it still was not written by God. Hence there is a tendency to human error, and human based biases based on their culture and styles of living at the time, etc.

God has said that He has made sure that His word is available to humans so He has protected the Bible to continue to be made available.Jesus himself said that his Fathers words would never perish but will last for eternity.So here we are thousands of years later and the Bible still intact and people still get great direction from the Holy Bible.
The Bible's message still remains accurate even if you find a passage here or there that differs.It doesn't change the meaning nor what God wants us to know.You just don't know your Bible that well so it is easy to discount it.

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Hey, you know you can't win with these guys! I guess it's kind of cool and hip to think you are an angel these days. Angels have become a big part of the pop culture.<br />
But, believe it or not, I am growing horns! Every time my religious humor pops up, they grow a little. Seeing that some of these people are going to judge me as "wrong" anyway, ( no matter WHAT I say ), I may as well get some fun out of it.

Holy crap! I'm not even gonna read all these ridiculous comments. Snow, let me tell you something. Here is what I see in your vision. You are right, christians are chained to their "holy book" they call the Bible. It is in fact NOT the word of God. The book of John says that Jesus is THE word(everything was created with words), the bible is just his WORDS. The bible is made of paper, I can burn it, **** on it and call it names, but I won't burst into flames for it. There is one thing I would like to point out though. Most religions really DON'T work with one another. You really do have to pick one or the other. If you worship Brahma as the one supreme creator, you can't also worship Ra or Jehovah at the same time for the same position. No man can serve two masters. And yes, those aforementioned gods are all different. I know that universalists want to unit all of them, but they are all different. You must use your common sense to pick out which one(s) you think are worth it/real/good. Dare I say, use your wolfish instincts :) Hope that this letter does not offend. And I hope you are doing well.

Oh, and I'm glad to see that you understand the reality of the "wolf situation". I knew that something was going on with you from what you told me about having a "wolf half" and whatnot. What I've come to understand is that I have a wolf like personality, not that I AM one. Although, I do rather FEEL like a "lone wolf" a lot. But what I learned from these wonderful animals is this: A lone wolf is neither happy nor healthy. Wolves love other wolves, and take care of each other. SO I need to be around other people and socialize as much as I can to stay healthy. I need to apply THEIR behavior to my everyday life, with other humans. I wish you would give some kind of testimony on that wolf group, might wake some of those kids up.

Why most those gods be different? Perhaps it's different people's in different cultures way of recognizing a Higher Power. Not that that Higher Power has to be different - just called by different names.

I am not saying you cannot pick one or the other. What my vision basically was referring to was He wanted people to at least come to an understanding of one another, and their different views, opinions, etc. Religion is one of the many things that has separated mankind. He understands that people have different opinions on Him. But what he at least wants to see is the Wars between Religions and Demoninations of Religions (namely Christianity since it is one of the few religions to have such things as Demoninations) to come to and end, or at least improve. It saddens Him to see people use Icons like the Bible to bash others for their beliefs, simply because their views differ from theirs.... It is not just Christianity though. It has happened in other religions across Milennia. I asked specifically about the Bible though, and that is why it depicted that in the vision. And as Brieks said, these gods could be just different representations of the same God, just with a different name. The only difference is HOW they depict Him.

I want to quote from the Bible itself, saying how we are to spread the Love of God himself, and not of hate and segregation of religions or because of differences between each other. For we are ALL Children of God. Hence, the Lord speaks of not judging others, and do not condemn them for what they believe. Instead, love and understand, and tolerance at best, lest ye be judged yourself:<br />
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Matthew 7:1-5: "“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."<br />
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Ephesians 4:15: "Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ,"<br />
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Luke 6:37: “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;"<br />
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Romans 14:1-13: "As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. ... "

I'm confused.

What are you confused about, exactly?

UPDATE:<br />
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I have not been able to talk to God regarding these matters as of Late. He has asked me to just stay out of it for now, and leave it in His hands. He sees how hurt I am and how hurt everyone else is by this situation, so He asked me to back out of it for now. He said He does not want to see anyone else hurt by this. I also felt HIS TEARS as He spoke..... the sadness in his soul as he talked to me..... I never felt the sadness of God in such a way as I did just the other night. :( Since then, it seems like I have had problems reaching God directly. I will keep you informed as to what I hear from our Father...<br />
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Love, Peace and Light,<br />
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Crystal

@SnowCrystal<br />
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Maybe you just felt a little bit powerless BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST HUMAN, any one of us can BE TEMPTED to be this way - it lies deep in yourself - the darkness within ONEself - we all sometimes fell prey to our own dark sides THAT WANTS POWER, to be COOL, SPECIAL and kings and queens, to be popular in the world etc.<br />
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If you do not forget your place before God then your pride will never consume you - when you know your place before GOD being humble, you get much blessings each day if you relate to others on an equal level like God loves us all the same... yet if we follow our pride and are closed off to others, closing our HEARTS to others - only concerned with the self, then we will get empty of soul day by day!

@Brieks<br />
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Don't let this bother you, we ain't converting no one that doesn't want any saving... Jesus said we should scream the Truth from the rooftops OUT LOUD AND CLEAR, yet some will never look up nor hear - don't feel bad, can't you feel the good brimming off this post? God is here through us to those (and us) that really wants help - they will look n listen, don't mind the arrogant rest!<br />
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@snowy<br />
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I like how you put it that 'the demon' you felt was stronger than the WOLF... <br />
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But do remember that a wolf is different than a material god - a wolf is not driven by EGO, it is driven by nature... no man is MORE OF A BEAST than s/he who indulges in MATERIAL GREED.<br />
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The wolf only takes what it needs, it doesn't kill the entire herd of sheep at ONE TIME for their skin and wool FOR MONEY AND TRADE.<br />
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It kills only what it NEEDS TO EAT FOR BASIC SURVIVAL - IT doesn't kill like man, for the FATTY GREED...<br />
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Man kills wolves and their puppies to extinction - which do you think is MORE OF A BEAST? He that kills nature or He that lives in nature?

I did not say it was stronger than the wolf. I was fooled into believing I had a wolf side to me, or that I was a "wolf incarnate" and incarnated from a wolf. I even had vivid "memories" of a life as a wolf and being killed by poachers. The thoughts were to make me feel more isolated and not understanding of humans. I felt alienated at one point, for I felt "too different," and it made me feel more alone and depressed than ever. What I had was not OF GOD. If I was a wolf incarnate, I would not feel alienated from other humans.

Even if I was incarnated from a wolf, it would have not caused me to feel so desolate and alone. I felt separated from humanity. That is NOT what God is about...

The wolf has nothing to do with the scenario. It was a DEMON that fooled me into believing I was a wolf incarnate..

In actuality, though, whatever the demon tried to pull had the REVERSE affect on me. :) It at first succeeded in making me feel isolated, but I kept on LOVING GOD and used it to PRAY TO HIM MORE to find out the TRUTH. I felt I drew closer to God because of it. Over time, the demon's hold on me weakened, and the wolf side slowly started to disappear. My love and compassion was stronger than the demon's hold on me. It drove the demon to hide inside of me for a long time, and only show at times to attempt to take control again later, until eventually I no longer felt it inside of me.

It's so cool how the Enemy's plans are thwarted by God's Love, Light, and Power. I'm sure it p!sses the enemy off to know that in trying to go against God, in the end, he can do nothing except bend to God's will.

@Brieks <br />
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People are only sincere in false beliefs pertaining to self-Divinity as far as the EGO takes them, the EGO is not the true self, many fool themselves just fearing to be just like everyone else... they lie to themselves and become sincere when they start to believe their lies as Truth - that is pathologically disturbed liars.<br />
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@snowy<br />
I really don't think that you only felt the 'demon' targeting one individual - I believe it is more of a collective 'thing/entity/belief' that has thousands fooled in the same way... I would call it the collective 'super-ego' of mankind, where all men are subject to indulge in narcissistic self-grandeur, worshipping themselves and their OWN DIVINITY above GOD'S.<br />
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... they are like 'fallen angels' mad at themselves because they know they can never be GOD, yet they do try - they know there is NO FAKING IT UNTIL YOU MAKE IT, because they can play God all they want, but they will never be God.<br />
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And most of all - they ARE ALWAYS ANGRY BECAUSE THE REAL GOD AIN'T GETTING OUT OF THE WAY, to let them be 'gods' - God is always there to pester them, to make them realize that HE IS GREATER THAN THEIR 'self-proclaimed divinity of the majesty Ego' - they hate it when their lies get humiliated, when the Light of Truth comes to shine in their darkness - exposing them - they ALL HATE IT, that is why they are angry - they refuse to submit to God, they are always having 'fun' being their own 'gods' instead.

What I felt.... it was almost like feeling SATAN himself. I am beginning to wonder if maybe it WAS Satan himself. I talked to it as Satan, and that is when it responded to me, and I cast it away from me in the name of God...

Satan has taken many guises. What I felt could really have been the king of the underworld himself... and he HAS FOOLED MANY with his trickery. I believe it is the work of Satan, and what I felt and who came to me was Satan himself. Mind you, this is the FIRST time I have encountered Satan himself.... so if it indeed IS him..... well, it was not very pretty. Oddly, I felt more powerful than it because I have God's love. I have God's grace so I know he/it could not touch me. Yet at the same time I felt POWERLESS to stop it/him. :(

Something happened when I was at work today....<br />
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I felt the DEMON that is fooling Jophiel. It approached me today, angry.... it was the most horrid thing I ever felt. I not only felt its evil, but I could feel the crying out of the SOULS of the people it has hurt. The souls of the people he fools and lies to, as the souls cried out to God.<br />
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I tried to cast it away, but it is a powerful entity.... stronger than most demons I have faced. Stronger than the demon that fooled me....<br />
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It will not go away easily. I just pray that God will deliver Jophiel from it....

PMing you with thoughts...

I tend to believe people are sincere in their beliefs, until faced with evidence otherwise. Even so, it can be very easy to be blinded. That includes those who say they are angels. I DON'T BELIEVE THEM, but that does not mean they can't be sincere in believing they themselves are. No one likes being told they are wrong, and anger just shuts doors. Anger itself is not wrong, and when faced with things you see to be false, it's hard to not be angry. I think one of the keys is speaking calmly, appealing to emotion and to reason, which is hard to do at times, especially when angered, and I have failed to do so myself. <br />
Just like they're not "converting" us to their beliefs by anger and telling us we're wrong, neither can we expect to "convert" them by the same means. <br />
I DON'T know what to do -- this whole thing has been nagging at my conscience and really bothering me -- so all I can do for now is think about it and pray about it and consider my own words whenever I speak and keep my actions in check.

This is not A FIGHT, BUT SIMPLE COMMON SENSE....<br />
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IF we really want to help others, we should be willing to POINT OUT THEIR FAULTS TO THEM, no matter how bad they may receive our words...somewhere deep down the bells will ring...the Truth first p!sses you off for a while before it really makes sense and brings peace to you!

Here's a link to that story:<br />
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<a href="http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Am-An-Incarnated-Angel/1852720" target="ep_blank">EP Link</a><br />
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And the comments exchanged between brieks and I:<br />
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<a href="http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Am-An-Incarnated-Angel/1849758" target="ep_blank">EP Link</a><br />
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Worth the read! About the RELIGION AND ONENESS OF ALL.<br />
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I AM NOT MAD AT YOU, I UNDERSTAND *PEACE TO YOU AND THANKS ONCE MORE FOR POSTING THIS DIVINE MESSAGE*

@snowcrystal<br />
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I am not using the Bible as my authority here, but the simple COMMON SENSE, that the ROOT OF ALL EVIL IS LIES....<br />
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Some would pat people on the back when they DO EVIL... and that ain't doing any good... in a previous story of mine I wrote about how they USE THEIR DIVINITY AS AN EXCUSE to exclude others from the ONENESS OF GOD... because they are "angels" they must be better than anyone else right... and they must know more.... now men filled with pride DO AND WON'T HESITATE TO HURT OTHERS believing their own lies of self-importance, like the typical hypocritical Christian, who will believe he is right no matter what, because the BIBLE AND HIS "ANGELIC" STATUS IN SOCIETY because he is a "christian" and a high up member of society and member of church - - makes him and the world give himself a GREATER GRANDEUR OF SELF, than what is really necessary.<br />
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Because they CALL THEMSELVES "ANGELS" like in the biblical sense - - they are USING AND ABUSING THE BIBLE to think they KNOW ALL, giving them the right to abuse people in "GOD'S NAME"... I AM NOT USING THE BIBLE OR GOD HERE, BUT SIMPLE TRUTH... it is a fact, that some religions are used to make men think they are MORE SUPERIOR than other humans, regardless of claims of unconditional love for all humanity, as the Christian cannot even tolerate a Muslim or Buddhist etc.... so the "angels" think they are the CHOSEN and better than others BECAUSE THE BIBLE TOLD THEM SO....that is a lie.<br />
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I am not harassing them, but only putting this in GENERAL, about how RELIGION can make man loose himself in self-grandeur at cost of others....this is psychology, this is common sense, this has nothing to do with GOD but simple logic.<br />
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I am not religiously intolerant of them USING GOD... I am just making a reasonable observation of what RELIGION IS CAPABLE OF DOING TO MEN....when everyone is following the EXAMPLE OF JESUS, then all men think they ARE GODS... JESUS SET THE EXAMPLE...HE WAS MAN.

Jesus did set the example. We can all try to follow His example, but we ALL fall short. The Son of God chose to become the Son of Man to show us, but still only He can fill His own perfect position -- we are lifted up by His Grace. None of us is perfect in our own self, no matter how hard we try.

RE SNOWCRYSTAL<br />
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I simply answered your question - - do not PUT THE BLAME JUST ON ME... because by saying THAT I AM ATTACKING THEM, you deny THAT YOU DID THE SAME... and basically you are acting just like the Hypocritical Christian in your vision... I was not harassing anyone, pointing out their faults - - a true Christian would do that... and won't sugarcoat the Truth... if anyone wishes to improve AND grow of soul, even I, would appreciate it if they would tell me the Truth as it is... I won't make excuses for things that ARE AS THEY ARE...BECAUSE IF YOU DO THAT then you are only helping them in their evil...cluttering their minds all the more.

I am not trying to put the blame on you. Or on anyone. I admitted my faults. I did not intend to attack, but I know I probably came across that way when I was posting on his story. I admit to what happened..... and how am I acting like the hypocritical Christian? By letting them find God themselves? You told me yourself I cannot save those who do not want to be saved, and they will continue what they do anyway, so I am going aside to leave them be, but yelling at them is not going to resolve the issue of them being clouded by the Devil's ways.

You are right, they are clouded by the tricks of the Devil. They are just human. I wish they could see that. But I cannot FORCE them to believe. I can only enlighten them, tell them as is. It is still their choice if they wish to remain clouded or come back to God's light.

I am not assisting them with anything. I have been in their shoes... when I thought I was a wolf incarnate. I was awakened, but I was awakened on my own. Like them, I was clouded by the devil's trickery and works. I believed I really WAS what he fooled me into believing. It even went as far as being able to bark/howl/growl like a wolf without my control. I had my own inner demon that just fed me lies, and convinced me I was something other than HUMAN.

Eventually, I started to see the Truth. God's light showed the way. No matter how hard it tried to separate me from HIM, I kept my faith, and my love of God, and over time it just VANISHED.

I just pray that one day the same will happen for them. If they wish to hear me out, I will reveal to them the Truth. The truth of the Devil's lies, and I will cast it out of them, if they so wish. But the person must be willing to receive, or it will all be in vain.... ;(

Thank you for sharing this...those who want to learn from you will...

Please just stop the fighting..... posting it here is not going to do anything but do the same things they were doing to us. :/ I appreciate your kind words, Gothic, and I do appreciate all that you are doing to try to show them the Truth, but hating on them is doing no better than the very thing they were doing to us. Instead, let them live their lives, and let them continue to lie to themselves and others if that is what they wish. Hopefully one day the Truth will become clear to them as it has to us already.<br />
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Seraphina has shown compassion and understanding, and did not automatically defame me here as Jophiel did. I commend her for being so kind and caring, and I thank her for that. But defaming them for what they believe they are is basically doing the same thing Jophiel did for defaming me for my vision and what I believe. So please, let's bring it to an end, and instead show them light out of the darkness. Let's be a representation of God's love and understanding. Hating on them is no different than them hating on us. Loving and understanding one another will bring us all closer to HIS light, and one day their eyes will open and see the Truth, and rid them of whatever ungodly things clog them from fully reaching Him.

you can say ALL THE PRETTY THINGS ABOUT SEREPHINA, but she is still calling herself an "angel" willfully leading others astray with her lies, giving others the green card to follow her example lying to people... a true Christian won't let the lie prevail, by patting them on the back, focussing on their good points only, because by calling themselves "angels" they are blaspheming the all that is REALLY SACRED....and believe me IF YOU ARE A CLEVER LIAR LIKE THEM, THEN YOU ARE NOT SACRED... and should be prevented from telling lies to lead others astray and MUST BE HELPED RIGHT INSTEAD.

RE SNOWCRYSTAL<br />
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Reply by SnowCrystal Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:58AM<br />
Mind you, I believe in equality of everything: all creatures, humans and non-human alike, but point being, is that there is NO reason, even if they ARE angel incarnates, as to why they should deem themselves higher than the normal human.<br />
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Everyone will believe as they choose, everyone will tell lies when they can... because everyone wants to be SEEN AS SPECIAL OR DIVINE... and as you said: GOD MADE ANGELS BOW BEFORE HUMANS, AND SATAN DIDN'T WANT ANY OF THAT.<br />
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So if they BOW TO THEIR ANGELIC NATURE FIRST before their HUMAN NATURE, then they are DOING EXACTLY WHAT SATAN WANTS THEM TO DO... they want to be more Divine than what they really are... because that GIVES THEM MUCH PRIDE with no regard for humility and it gives them A GOOD EXCUSE TO DISREGARD the Divinity in other souls when they "say they are not angels" giving them the green card to ABUSE AND HARASS THEM.... yes... like the hypocritical christian, when you say that YOU ARE A SINNER LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN, then you are discarded, because in the Christian faith everyone are given the right to think they are 'PERFECT LITTLE ANGELS" EVERYONE HAS FAULTS EXCEPT FOR THEM... PRIDE IS THE FALSE CHRISTIAN'S DOWNFALL TOO... When they deem themselves higher than other people, like a normal sinful human with faults, they act like these "angels" who use their "divinity" as an excuse to harass people WHO ADMIT THEIR FAULTS, because certain people live in DENIAL OF THEIR FAULTS....and others who admit it are seen as SATAN... LOL... this perfectly links to your vision though - - think about it, it is true as can be!!!

re serephina<br />
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Reply by SeraphinaRose Oct 27th, 2011 at 5:42PM<br />
I wasn't attacking SnowCrystal in any way, I believe this just got way out of hand and tried telling BOTH of them to stop, though I did not tell him here but on pm. There is love in his heart, but I guess only me and a few others close to him can see it, I never claimed to be 'love and light' either, I can't claim something as a confirmation when I have not fully achieved that. Everyone contains ignorance of some sort towards a particular subject or group. Religion, race, etc. No matter who or what you are, you will always contain ignorance of something. But hey, as long as we see what our faults are we can try to change them, I am not perfect, that is not an excuse but a clear fact, as with you and everyone else. I am not more special either. I really don't see where you came up with such a quick thought that I believed I was. <br />
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I am saying:<br />
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<a href="http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Am-An-Incarnated-Angel/1852767" target="ep_blank">EP Link</a><br />
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follow the link, you are also one of the "self-proclaimed" angels<br />
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Posted by SeraphinaRose on Oct 27th, 2011 at 5:34PM<br />
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It's true, though lately I haven't seen anyone claim to be more special than anyone else.<br />
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Posted by GothicShadow on Oct 28th, 2011 at 8:22AM<br />
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@Serephina<br />
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Ya right I will pretend I DIDN'T HEAR THAT coming from someone who defends false HIGH AND MIGHTY ARCHANGELS AND FALSE MESSIAHS (Who clearly think they ARE BETTER OR MORE DIVINE THAN OTHERS - even those who claim to BE ANGELS and MORE DIVINE THAN HUMANS) on other people's posts harassing my friends because you and your DIVINE PALS think YOU ARE MORE WISE than anyone else!<br />
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Whatever, and please refrain from commenting on this post if you intend to throw the same sh!t 'but WE ARE SO MUCH BETTER and knowledgeable than they the pathetic humans!'<br />
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sorry I do not buy your sh!t, go and try another IGNORANT individual little 'angel', I am so glad you know you are NOT LOVE AND LIGHT, but you STILL BELIEVE YOU ARE AN ANGEL NEVERTHELESS, giving you and jophiel the right to HARASS others... you are clearly NOT AWARE OF YOUR OWN IGNORANCE, you still call yourself and ANGEL, which means you STILL THINK YOU ARE LOADS BETTER THAN NORMAL HUMANS, this is a fact!!!

What is sad, is that the whole reason Lucifer fell as the Angel of Light is because Humans were supposed to be deemed higher than Angels. Because God loved us so much, Lucifer hated us. That is when he tried to rise against God, overthrow him, and was cast down into HELL.

So how then, can you say that an ANGEL is better than a Human?

Mind you, I believe in equality of everything: all creatures, humans and non-human alike, but point being, is that there is NO reason, even if they ARE angel incarnates, as to why they should deem themselves higher than the normal human.

re GothicShadow<br />
I like how you point out how there are multiple people who claim to be the same angel -- proof positive of falsehood on at least one person's part! Plus, like I wrote to SnowCrystal once, I doubt a real angel of God would be walking around going, "Hey everyone! Look at me! I'm an incarnated angel of God!!!!" Angels don't draw attention to themselves -- their purpose is one alone: to serve God. God gets the glory and honor! <br />
(This also just came to mind, and it's not a pretty thought -- there was an angel of light named Lucifer who wanted to be higher than God, who wanted the attention and glory for himself.....that angel of darkness is now known as Satan..... Don't get me wrong -- I'm NOT calling self-proclaimed "angel incarnates" Satan...but I am reminded of the danger of an awful fall when any being, heavenly or earthly, goes against God.)

self-worship is SATANISM, if you think YOU ARE MORE DIVINE THAN THE NORMAL HUMAN, lacking humility then you are serving the majesty EGO... and YES A TRUE ANGEL won't boast about how WISE AND KNOWLEDGEABLE S/HE IS ALL DAY, there is too much work to do for that!!!! THEY ARE SO IN LOVE AND OBSESSED WITH THEIR OWN DIVINTIY AND THEMSELVES... clearly NOT CONCERNED ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE and as here proven not at all giving a damn about other beliefs or people... because they DEEM THEMSELVES HIGHER THAN THE NORMAL HUMAN...and therefore giving them the right to BASH THE HUMAN... pride stinks, you will know them by their works, they reek of pride and self-indulgence!

I did a search, and found more concrete evidence from OTHER EP'ers that proves the segregation of religion and how Christianity and the Bible is used to dictate other religions....<br />
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<a href="http://www.experienceproject.com/question-answer/How-Many-People-Believe-The-Bible-Is-Gods-Word--Men-Guided-By-God-To-Write-Exactly-What-He-Wanted-Them-To-Right/352090" target="ep_blank">EP Link</a><br />
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Something that is supposed to be divine and holy and the Word of God would NEVER question the validity of other religions, or condemn them for what they believe....<br />
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There was a Chinese individual who posted on there, and commented how in their country, they are not even allowed to practice their own beliefs...... :( Because Christianity, which has been introduced there, forbids it. :(

there are many accounts of that... some choose to see it and some don't... so true, so sad!!! Giving your vision all the more credibility which the "angels" try to rebuff!

yup read that story about the CHinese who can't practice christianity lest they get immediately executed by the government, not even given the chance to convert back to buddhism or whatever or even deported, just killed, murdered in cold blood for following a different religion than the government...shocking...really opens one's eyes...I guess those who believe in that beliefs are not any better than the christians and the muslims doing the same in their "god's name".

On a more positive note - I just saw on the side of the EP SCREEN: <br />
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"I DO NOT HAVE TO BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE TO BELIEVE IN GOD"

Wait, where did it say this??? I want to see. :)

where the give you groups to choose on each different page load!!!

you will be known by the PEOPLE (GROUPS) you follow!!!

GREAT LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY!!! LOL<br />
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Once AGAIN, I really appreciated you SHARING YOUR VISION, IN SPITE OF ALL the bitter words some did spew, at least someone TOOK IT TO HEART WITH GREAT APPRECIATION - - THANK YOU SO MUCH. <br />
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*MUCH LOVE AND BLESSINGS TO YOU*

@SNOWCRYSTAL<br />
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EP staff sent me an email saying that "if we fight back we are only contributing to the harassment and stand the risk of our profiles getting deleted" - - after I got my warning because of JOPHIEL.<br />
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Therefore I have blocked HIM so that he can no longer post on my stories, I suggest you do the same SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THE PEACE... OR ELSE HE WOULD ONLY CONTINUE TO HARASS YOU... BY KEEPING HIM UNBLOCKED YOU GIVE HIM A GREEN CARD TO HARASS YOU and for you to waste your energy on something useless... so just ignore him, so that WE DO NOT HAVE TO "HARASS" HIM BACK.

Read my last post on here. He is blocked.... :/

I noticed Jophiel unblocked me JUST to get the last word on a few things, then blocked me again. Hence, I blocked him permanently. And I will delete any postings he made after blocking me, since it refuses to let me reply back now that he has left me blocked. Doing so is unjust behavior, and if he cannot at least give me the dignity to respond back, then he too is getting blocked, and will no longer be able to read or respond to my messages again.... treat me as thy equal as I would to you...

Just forget about the whole thing.... by talking more we are only making it worse, and giving him more stuff to feed on and attack you and me... but he must continue to his attack, he will be reported, for he is so quick to report others, we will see if he continues to harass us, giving us a valid reason to report him too... he always has the habit of falsely accusing others *so totally christian- NOT* saying that they are harassing him when he is doing the harassing... don't worry, he can't see himself... he will walk into a mirror soon and get the fright of his life when he must face up to himself!!!<br />
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I HAVE NOT REPORTED HIM YET, ALTHOUGH I KNOW HE HAS REPORTED ME, I REFUSE TO STOOP AS LOW AS HE DID... BUT IF HE CONTINUES HE WILL LEAVE ME NO OTHER CHOICE!!!

I already reported him a few times. I have not heard from EP yet, though....

Since he deliberately came here, attacked me, and I clearly apologized yet he continued anyway, it left me no choice but to report him since at that point he was just attacking, not defending...

@SNOWcrystal<br />
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Do not bring science or evolution in the picture - - JUST FOLLOW YOUR HEART... evolution and science has nothing to do with what you SAW... you must focus on what you saw and its SPIRITUAL ORIGIN... there is no scientific origin for God's SPIRIT and its ways.<br />
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*peace and much thanks for being so brave to share your DIVINE VISION here with me and others today - those who find fault with what you saw, do not understand at all, so do not even bother listening to their continuous mindless ramble, you know what you saw, if they do not want to know, then it is their problem, not yours, those who must receive the message will receive it*

It was a mess. I cannot even remember how it got to that point to be honest.... he kept asking for proof. I kept providing proof. I was defending what I believed and it got extremely off topic. And he kept attacking. I did no better, since I initially posted on his story, but not in a means to attack. But I saw that it was being taken that way so I backed off. I stopped immediately after I saw what I was doing. :( Then he came here, in a means to "defend himself from being attacked on his story," which was not even my intentions.... and he refused to give up..... and kept coming here until he blocked me

GothicShadow, I like how you put it: "those who must receive the message will receive it." That is true. Reading this story may speak to someone else even in a different way having the vision spoke to SnowCrystal. It's kinda like how 2 people can read the same passage from the Bible and each gets something different out of it, but both get something that applies to where they are at on their own journey. Neither are wrong; both are right -- the Holy Spirit brings out certain things that speak to each person individually, and they both learn their own lessons. =)

I need to clarify this for SNOWCRYSTAL... please do not let JOPHIEL BOTHER YOU ANY MORE.<br />
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Anyone who believes they are an archangel are FOLLOWING NEW AGE BELIEFS of the dark forces of the world - - IT IS SATANIC PRACTICES WHERE THE SELF CAN BE ANYTHING YOU WISH IT TO BE, AS SELF-WORSHIP.... we have many in the angel forum who claim to be the same archangel at once SO NOT ONE OF THEM COULD BE REALLY THE REAL ONE, further no real angel would have time to waste on a website when they are supposed to SAVE LIVES or something... so be wise and do not let him bug you any more!!!<br />
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To worship yourself as more DIVINE THAN THE NORMAL MAN is not CHRISTIAN BELIEF.... therefore Satanic, so him that spew about the bible the whole time is really funny.... he is pretending to be a christian while in reality he is not...

@direwolf<br />
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This must be said - - those who cast stones at people without further thought ARE NOT LOOKING AT THEMSELVES nor adhering to the teachings of Christ, especially JOPHIEL - - if he still has the audacity to use the BIBLE AS AN AUTHORITY TO HARASS PEOPLE THAN THAT IS NOT SHOWING LOVE WHATSOEVER - - JESUS SHOWED LOVE REGARDLESS - - HE SAID: "forgive them for they know not what they do!" also JESUS DIDN'T HIT HIS HARASSERS BACK....OR CRUCIFIED THEM - - IF HE WAS GOD, HE COULD HAVE KILLED THEM IN AN EYEWINK - - AND HE DID NOT, SO jophiel saying that "jesus acted in a way contrary to love and tolerance" is all lies!!! And he is twisting the bible for his purposes - - to justify him harassing other people in THE NAME OF GOD.<br />
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As far as I know, snowcrystal BELIEVES IN GOD, and there is only ONE GOD, to say she is worshipping a different GOD than you while she knows the bible at heart, is only an excuse to harass... for regardless of DIFFERENT RELIGIONS AND FAITHS, there is only ONE GOD, AND ALL PATHS LEADS TO THE SAME SUMMIT...

Thank you, my friend. -hugs- I see that you are only trying to show them the truth of their actions. Let us hope that they can find love and peace in their hearts, and learn to forgive us as we have forgiven them time and time again. I know you want to delude them away from whatever misguided Truth the devil has inflicted upon their souls. When it is not the Truth at all. Jesus is of love, compassion, and understanding.... not of hate and segregation..... Jesus showed compassion to "sinners" as Christians like to call them. Sure, maybe at times he got pissed off, as he did throw the table at his meal, but he was still human..... human nature can provoke anyone to anger. Even Jesus. He was made Man, and thus he was a Man...

I try to follow that which the Lord has shown me and that which I learned from Jesus: love, understanding of others. Am I perfect? No. Do I get angry at times? Yes. But I try to understand, and I want to understand. I dislike it when I feel any sort of hatred towards anyone, which mind you is rare.

And to both Seraphina and Jophiel, and to any "angel incarnate" WHY do you feel the need to be anything other than what God made you? Ok, maybe you do have gifts.... but that does not make you an incarnate angel. And even if you WERE.... that does not make you ANY more or less human than the person next to you. It also does not make you more saved than the person beside you, who could have done many things that you deem are "sinful."

The problem, as my vision mentioned, is people like Jophiel and others show compassion to those they choose to understand, but those that claim anything that they disagree with to the utmost of their heart, they refuse to understand. They are human, though, as are we, and as Jesus said, they know not what they do. Do not blame them for their actions. I understand that they have been taught the BIble as the Word of God for their entire lives, and they take it to heart. I understand how something so precious to them can cause them anger and hurt when somebody places a challenge against it, or claims it is something that they deemed holy for so long.

I DO understand. What I do not understand, yet do understand at th same time, is how they can come here, or to any board, and try to instill their views on others. Claiming it in God's name. Or claim to know what God Thinks, which Jophiel has mentioned to me a few times. Nobody can know what HE thinks. Only the Lord himself knows that. And to claim you know that is calling yourself God....

Too many people act as false prophets. Claim to know God, then instill it on others. Instead of following Jesus' example of love and understanding, they use the bible to see God as a hateful God who only accepts those who follow HIM, and rejects those of other beliefs. That is why I said the book is flawed. Because Man has written it, mind you, 100's of years later, putting in it ONLY WHAT THEY SAW FIT. And people are using this same said book to determine who God is, and what is Right and Wrong when only GOD HIMSELF can dictate that, not us...

Let Him past the first judgement. I will let him dictate whether I am right or wrong, but I am going to continue doing what I believe is Right, and from what I have learned of God from my time here. I will continue to spread Love to all that wish to share it with me. :) &lt;3

AMEN &lt;3

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One thing I want to point out about anger --- anger itself is not a sin. It is only what sins can be committed out of anger that give anger itself a bad name. It's not wrong to be angry, and there are legitimate causes for anger. Jesus, the spotless Lamb of God was angry, as you mentioned, and also there is a verse that says, "be ye angry, and sin not", and that shows a distinction between anger and sin. So don't feel bad for being angry. *hugs*

I would ADVISE EVERYONE ON THIS POST - - TO STOP COMMENTING UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING POSITIVE TO SAY - - and by arguing about your beliefs in such a vindictive way as you do, only CONTRIBUTES TO THE HARASSMENT ON BOTH SIDES... unless SEREPHINA AND JOPHIEL do not want to get reported for their HEARTLESS BEHAVIOUR, I would strongly recommend EVERYONE STOP THIS RIGHT NOW, everyone had their say, there is no need to continue the HARASSMENT ON BOTH SIDES... if you do then both jophiel and serephina only prove that they are not "REAL ANGELS INCARNATE" - - but regardless of being "angels" - - JUST STOP IT, BECAUSE YOU TWO "ANGELS" are proving HER VISION TO COME TRUE EVERY SECOND you continue to harass her without even taking the message to heart... YOU ARE ALL GOING OFF TOPIC OKAY... you are just targeting the author, stop it RIGHT NOW!!!

@serephina<br />
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You are another false angel - if you were a real angel you would have known that JOPHIEL won't stop when he isn't listening to GOD but to himself... the very fact that he claims to be more DIVINE than what he already is and harassing and reporting people to EP who tells him he is a fraud, is clear evidence that he is a fraud, only serving his EGO, listening to HIMSELF and definitely not GOD, because A TRUE BELIEVER IN GOD, won't try and get people banned from this site, just because he can't handle the Truth, that he needs to get rid of those who oppose his lies so that he can continue to corrupt with being a conniving bastard... he just wants to get people who see through his lies out of the way, so that he can corrupt further unnoticed - there is no LOVE coming from that vile heart, only intolerance and hatred - if you can't see that then you are just like him, attacking my friend without due fair ground - shame on the both of you and thanks for proving your 'love and light' once more a big sham you two little 'angels' who are nothing but harassers assaulting innocent people with your dark minds of ignorance!