Where Is Bitlord?

BITLORD has come up missing!!!

Does anyone care?

What do you think happened to him?



Do you think Vendetta12, the Velveatta Queen, would be a good replacement?

 

Pray for Bitlord-

 

barrysnoverhishead barrysnoverhishead
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27 Responses Mar 2, 2010

Better idea, hammerehead.<br />
do what the Founders insisted upon, and get the CORPORATIONS down to size, then drown them in a bathtub.<br />
To quote Ben Franklin "The trouble with corporations is they have no souls to damn, and no nekcs to hang"

I could see the flames all the way across EP on this discussion, great bonfire, V.<br />
I have to admit, I agree with most of what Vendetta is imparting to you people. I have not been concerning myself with the health care debate, nor do I know Bitlord, or Bitford, or whatever the name is. I am actually only concerned with stopping corporate takeover of our government and the world. Localize, get the Feds back down to its limited size as per the Constitution, and get back to government by the people in their own states. Globalization is bad for humans and other living things.

Ven is a disillusioned socialist free loading loser in life...he is a long winded and full of himself. Whatever happened to Bitlord...at least he was usually concise albeit wrong.<br />
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Google the above Venny

Ven, your figures are not correct, they plan on adding on another part that will bring it up to 1.2 trillion. You belive what you want, but when you start pulling this amount of money out of the private sector, with the employment rate being as high as it is, you have cut the throat of any ecomomic growth potential. Not to mention cutting the throat of the Statue of Liberty ! And remember that no one will see benefits from this for at least a couple of years, maybe more, but will have to pay for it just the same. (I'll just take your money and give you something in a few years,OK?)You can bet your butt that as soon,if, it was to be passed, they will start on the public option. They are not going to quit until they have taken it over and put all those people out of work.Now that they have figured a way of making an end run around the people, there will be no stopping them.....you better like a socialist nation.It is going to add 30,000,000 people to an already broken economy and you think it's not going to cost?

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I admit that I still don't know what your point is. Are you referring to the mythical public option which is no longer in the bill? (thanks to the corporatist blue dog democrats and the brain dead republicans) Government employees get their healthcare through private insurance companies through plans offered by their employer, just like everyone else. Members of congress are being insured through Aetna, Wellpoint, UHC just like everyone else, they get to pick their insurance through an exchange. They aren't being insured by government insurance, because the only government insurance is Medicare and Medicaid, which is what I assumed you were talking about when you said government insurance plan. Representative Issa from California (a republican) is pushing for offering the same set of options that congress gets to everyone in America. That plan of course is too radical for any republicans to support, so that idea didn't go anywhere. <br />
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You say we need a system that doesn't take away the freedom to choose. No kidding. I want the freedom to choose. I want the option of choosing a government insurance plan, but folks like you are refusing to allow me the right to choose that. Why? It's not called the public option for nothing. OPTION. OPTIONAL. As in, if you want it, then you can sign up for it. If you have a hard-on for private for-profit companies, then you can stay with them. Take your pick. <br />
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But you won't allow me to make that choice, you are telling me that you know better than me. You are the one backing a system which takes away my freedom to choose. Thanks a bunch. <br />
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To the rest of the repubs here making a big deal about the "3000%" ... wow. Talk about a tired talking point born out of desperation. It's obvious that he meant $3000 not 3000%. But do carry on with your pathetic ranting and raving, it's keeping me amused. <br />
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noshadow - you have to spend money to save money. It's Keynesian economics. Look at the CBO's findings: while covering more than 30 million additional people, this bill saves $138 billion the first 10 years, and then more than an additional trillion dollars over the following 10 years. What do you want? <br />
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When it comes to the deficit, this bill basically reverses the damage done by the Bush tax cuts for the rich in 2001 and 2003, which added about 2 trillion dollars to the deficit, according to the CBO. As for the unemployment rate, this bill would actually help, not hurt. That's because it provides financial incentives for employers and lessens the cost of providing healthcare for employees. It sets up exchanges of private insurance companies which will be regulated by the government to prevent them from continually jacking up their premiums year after year, it makes the insurers prove increases are valid and necessary. I guess this is the only thing approaching a "takeover" of the insurance industry: setting up regulations which prevent these slimy companies from jacking up rates to reap insane profits year after year. Feel free to go screaming into the forest about this government "takeover", lol.

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What a laugh. Is obama that stupid or does he think we are that stupid?<br />
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If they cut rates by 3000%, then directly after this becomes law, the insurance company's wil have to start writing us checks every month...

Like I said Venny...useful idiot and add pompous to it....google that you tool of the left.

Ven...you still didn't answer the question...how is putting this monster into place while we have 9.7% unemployment going to help???? Taking money away from people a couple of years before seeing any benefits>>????

Ven you really missed the point of my question. Most goverment employees do not make over $250,000 a year, heck most do not make over $50,000 a year. The health insurance they are given is from a privet insurer. If you have not noticed this I did, I do not know of any politician who is a lifer who has their own privet insurer they all have the one that comes with the office they hold. They do not pay for any of it. But again it is a privet insurer not goverment run, so your answer is not true. Why is our goverment who can make such a great healthcare system not starting with their own. They currently employee a big percentage of people in the US more than enough for the program they want all of us to get into.<br />
Why is it we have to be forced this particular system. So many do not like it or agree with it and many believe it will cause irrepriable damage to our economy and our healthcare system. If the people who are fighting for it are so right why do they have to use strong arm tactics and bribery to get it thru.<br />
And to put some light on why many countries do not go back to a system similar to ours is simple they can not. The countries you mentioned have stated many times over many years they are stuck with the system they have. They would have to collapse their entire ecomomic and health care system to redo it. That is what we want to avoid here. There is very little research done in other countries it is done here in the US and many countries who have research grants and facilities are funded by companies from the US. People can get better health care other places simply because we have not followed the others in limiting our healthcare system from research and manufacturing of new drugs and treatments.<br />
It is not that our healthcare system could not be better or that Insuerance companies not be regulated better, because they can. But we are not ones who go backwards and socialized medicine is backwards. We need a system that helps others, gets better health to others, but does not but doctors out of work, does not stop research and development, does not take away the freedom to choose. Our goverment was designed to be run by the people not have the people run by the goverment. We have to many goverment programs now that have failed and will shortly collapse, we do not need another one that is bigger and costlier than all of them put together.

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Well I didn't mention Greece, but whatever. Even if I would have, what's your point? They are not in trouble because of their healthcare system. Sorry. It would be really good for your argument if that were the case, but unfortunately it isn't. <br />
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I did mention Denmark and France. I'll ask again: Is there a big movement in those countries to scrap their "socialist" healthcare system in favor of our draconian profit based system? The answer is : lol, not even close. <br />
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"They have caught up to the curve of spending more money than they are taking in...need more taxes to operate. Is this the type of country you want us to become?"<br />
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I'd say we're already that country. Ever since the Reagan revolution where he destroyed the tax revenue of this country when he slashed taxes on the richest Americans. He accomplished this by duping working class Republicans into supporting tax cuts for rich people, just so they could get a measly tax cut. They've been duped. They don't realize they're being manipulated by people who only care about the rich. Are you familiar with the term "starve the beast?" How about Cheney's quote "Deficits don't matter".? <br />
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Here's an excellent link which explains what has happened since America was introduced to Voodoo economics (oops, I mean supply side economics): <br />
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http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/01/26-0<br />
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You say you have relatives that love our system and will never go back. You forgot to mention where they're from. What country's healthcare system did they "escape" haha. People in other countries cannot even grasp the horrible things that we take for granted here in the US because of fearmongering by conservatives and libertarians. Most foreclosures and bankruptcies are because of medical issues, in other countries they don't have either. Sucks to be in the US during a recession, doesn't it? Because in our wonderful "center right" country, when you lose your job you also lose your healthcare coverage. Kind of like a neat little parting gift. At least when you lose your job in Europe you don't have to panic about how you're going to get healthcare coverage for your family. But you conservatives and libertarians just love ******* on people when they're down. It goes hand in hand with opposing unemployment benefits and other social programs that just drive Republicans crazy. <br />
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noshadow - you say you're not republican. You say you agree with some of the views of the democrats. Do tell, broadcast to all your friends here all the points where you agree with democrats. As for why I assumed you are a republican, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a ******* duck. <br />
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As for the question I supposedly dodged, what do I think about the benefits not kicking in until 2014? I think it's ******* pathetic. Our country used to be able to pass things and actually govern, but Washington is so flooded by lobbyists and braindead anti-government officials that it takes forever for anything to happen. (the explosion of lobbyists and their takeover of Washington was also a nice little bonus Reagan gave us). But this is what you get when one political party hates government so much. Every time a republican is campaigning that should be their slogan: Government is incompetent. Elect me and I'll prove it! Look how quickly Social Security and Medicare took effect, both basically took one year. It's pathetic that it will take 4 years for this to happen. <br />
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Like I said before, without a public option or single payer, this almost doesn't qualify as real reform, for there's nothing to prevent insurance companies from continuing to raise rates. After this reform is approved, they can no longer deny you for pre-existing conditions, but they can continue to increase premiums until people give up and drop their plans. A public option would have provided competition to keep insurance companies honest, but conservatives and libertarians succeeded in scaring enough dim witted Americans into resisting real reform. <br />
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But even after all their efforts, there are still a few good things remaining in this bill. Obama was hopelessly stupid for trying to negotiate so much with Republicans, who were never going to support it in any way shape or form.

Vendetta....In as much as you have opened the door..look at those countries that you mentioned and look at their ecomomy. Can't believe you had the gall to bring them up !! Greece has gone under and the others are falling in line. They have caught up to the curve of spending more money than they are taking in...need more taxes to operate. Is this the type of country you want us to become?<br />
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As for going to another country and finding out...I think you should go and find out too !! I have had relatives that lived there and now they are here...they ain't going back !!!<br />
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Now for one more time...I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN !!! I do share some of their views, as I do some of the Democrates, and some of the Libertarian views. <br />
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Now, back to the question that you did not answer...how is taking money out of the private sector, while we are at 9.7 % unemployment, going to help, when the benefits will not be implemented for a couple of years? Where is that money going to come from and where is it going to? Do you really trust the government to put it up and have it in escrow?? Do you really think they will keep their greedy little hands of of it? If you think they will, you need a reality check !!<br />
I am for reform but I am not for take over !! There is a difference...one is help...the other is control !!

noshadow, if you still don't understand how uncoupling healthcare "benefits" from employment would benefit both employees and employers, sorry. Go to a different country that has figured this out long ago. Or at least read a book. Something. Don't just watch Fox and take your marching orders from nutjobs like Beck and Hannity. My question to the die hard conservatives that are convinced that we cannot afford it, why can all other countries do something that we can't? Why do you insist on being inferior to other countries? Ask yourself why it is that there are no movements to overhaul the healthcare system of Denmark or France so that they can be more like ours? People in those countries desperately want to know what it's like to lose their home because they had the nerve to get cancer, but the big bad evil governments of those countries don't allow it. To them we say Come to America, where that and a whole lot more is possible. Here you get to watch your healthcare premiums increase by 15% or 40% annually, because hey, we gotta take care of those CEOs and protect those profits. And we can always count on Republicans to be on the side of profits instead of people, since they are such good little Christians. In their minds Jesus was an American capitalist who was pro war, when in actuality he was a socialist focused on taking care of the poor. Republicans care about the top 1%, not the bottom 99. <br />
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noshadow, you are complaining about the mandate. The idea behind the mandate is to bring down cost, for when we're talking about insurance, the more people you have insured the bigger the risk pool is, and the risk is spread out among a greater number of people. This is how all insurance companies work, and this is one way to reduce costs. I'm all for a mandate, IF there were a public option. Since there is no option, there's no competition for big insurance companies, which prevents costs from going down (THANKS REPUBLICANS!!), the insurance companies can continue to extort the American people, because where are they going to go? There's only a handful of health insuarance companies to choose from. But thanks to childish fears that were promoted by braindead ******* like Bachmann and Palin, old stooges were scared into thinking Obamacare was the second coming of Hitler. It's painfully amusing and pathetic to see these old people who have been tricked and poisoned so thoroughly. "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!" Pathetic. <br />
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No need to respond to barry, as his post was once again pointless ad hominem. I'll give you a minute so you can google what that means. If you can figure out how google works, that is. <br />
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allofus, there's no conspiracy or mystery about why government employees aren't insured by government programs. They're rich. They're in the top 1% of wage earners. Medicare and Medicaid are not programs for the wealthy, they are for people who are not wealthy. Asking why they don't use Medicare and Medicaid means you've missed the entire point of this legislation. Some people can afford to comfortably pay for great insurance. It's the common people making $35k or less a year that are struggling. Democrats are trying to help out the middle and lower class, Republicans are only concerned with the upper class. Dems are doing a **** poor job of trying to help the middle and lower class, but at least they are trying. Look at what the Republicans did while they controlled government. From 2000 to 2006 they had the presidency and both houses (just as the Democrats currently have the presidency and both houses). What did they do? They fought for and passed two HUGE tax cuts (For rich people, surprise surprise surprise) and they spent a trillion dollars to invade and occupy a country that didn't attack us. How many healthcare reform bills were there between 2000 and 2006? Hmmm. Correct Answer is ZERO. But hey, if you were rich, then the Bush presidency was fantastic. Sucked for the rest of us. It's also neat that we could have taken the trillion dollars spent in Iraq and Afghanistan and used it to provide universal health coverage. It's revealing to look at priorities, isn't it?

Why does our goverment employees who have health insurance not have goverment health insurance. Almost all goverment health care for the emplyoees is done through a privet company, like blue cross, HMOs, Kieser if your lucky and other smaller groups. If goverment health care is so great and wonderful why is the President, his staff, his advisor, the Congress, the Senete, the Governors of everystate and their houses not already on a goverment run health care system? If they could go on it and make it work for them I am sure many more Americans would be more open to it. But to suggest a system that the ones who are pushing it will not even go first with is cowardly and not much of leadership roles.

It won't...Ven is a fool and knows nothing about business or how to run one. Every other country in the world is socialist or worse and we do not wish to aspire to be mediocre like them.<br />
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It is not the governments role to mandate people to purchase anything, nor is health care about health care...it is about controlling every aspect of all of our lives. If the mighty Ven was as bright as he claims to be, he would realize this...but he is a partisan hack, a useful idiot, a sheep being led to slaughter.

VendettA12, I guess you are just too smart for me...I just don't understand your explanation of how uncoupling health care from employment will do anything but cost more money, to all of us. According to what I understand, we will be forced to buy insurance with money, that we do not have, or face a little chat with the IRS. Where is the money for those who cannot afford the insurance going to come from? <br />
Am I wrong in understanding that we will be paying for this program for 2 or 3 yrs before we can see any benefits? Taking money out of the private sector and recieving nothing in return for a couple of years? This is going to stimulate the economy?

Explaining things to you folks is a never ending job. Let's keep it really simple. <br />
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Do you want something that will jumpstart the economy and truly make it an attractive choice for employers to hire people? <br />
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Do you want something that would instantly make the US more competitive in the world economy? <br />
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De-couple healthcare "benefits" from employment. Do you understand how big of an expense providing healthcare is for employers? It's a ball and chain around the neck of every business owner, and it's getting heavier. The runaway rising premiums are literally bringing our already struggling economy to a halt. <br />
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Think about it. Every other country has figured this out, except for the US. We are trying to compete with one hand tied behind our back. But you republicans and libertarians and your simplistic childish fear of the big bad government insist that we keep our current employer based for-profit healthcare system. <br />
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If you're rich, (say within the top 1% of all earners in the country), then our system is AWESOME. The other 99% of us are the ones that are dealing with the runaway costs. Guess the answer is for the rest of us to become the top 1%? Everyone can be in the top 1%, right? <br />
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The answer that the republicans offer is to... wait for it.... cut taxes. (For the rich, of course!) The benevolent rich, who will trickle down their wealth into the pockets of the good little republican boys and girls. Hahahaha. <br />
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VendettaA12....since you seem to be the only one who knows anything...pehaps you could explain to us dumb ole folks just how the government can keep growing and growing and growing and no jobs are being created, just who is going to pay for all this bullshit ?

I couldn't care less about what you want to call it. Who gives a ****? Once again, you confuse me for some Barack fanboy. I've repeatedly explained this to you but your ignorance is mighty stubborn. I'm liberal, I'm progressive. Obama is neither, he's too busy trying to compromise with Republicans to be liberal or progressive. Anyone who thinks he's some radical liberal socialist is so pathetically misinformed that they're probably beyond hope. He won a landslide victory. He came into power with 60 Democrats in the Senate and a huge majority in the House....If he were liberal and progressive, he would have proposed a single payer Healthcare system, and when the dopes on the right freaked out, he would have compromised to the public option position. He (very stupidly) started with the compromised position of wanting a public option, and then negotiated that away. <br />
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And you think he's a radical socialist trying to have government 'takeover' healthcare? There's no ******* takeover. There's not even a public option. This healthcare plan that he's fighting for is about the same as the Republican plan offered back in 1993 when Clinton was pushing for healthcare....but now it's some kind of government plot now that Democrats are pushing for it. <br />
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You're nothing but a pointless goon for trying to blame everything on Obama, especially since the economy crashed well before he was even president, but hey, details details.... <br />
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I'm predicting that you won't say anything of substance. You don't know any details about what's going on, you just spit out your quaint insults and teabag talking points.

Pity..maybe he'll stay missing!<br />
Nope..I could care less and doubt that many others do either.<br />
Who cares..maybe he lost his way to the computer..let's hope so!<br />
And if you must have a replacement..I'm sure IT would be perfect since IT is a perfect match!

Venny...you mean the obama depression. Call it for what it is.

Hey, hooked on phonics worked for you! Good job, Hopey. Unfortunately you missed the part that came after I was laid off, the part where I got a better job that paid more with a better schedule and benefits and also came with the added benefits of not having to do any customer service or sell anything. I've been there for about 9 months now, thanks for asking. <br />
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I was unemployed for a couple of weeks. How many millions have been laid off in the past year and a half? Are you suggesting all of those people that were laid off were somehow lazy losers? Hahaha. Getting laid off during the largest recession since the Great Depression is nothing to be ashamed of, but I wouldn't expect you to know anything about that. In fact, I don't expect you to know anything at all.

"Does anyone care?"<br />
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You seem to care, three stories worth already. <br />
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Why is that?

Sorry, not unemployed. How about you? I know, I'll be like you and just declare that you are unemployed and somehow that's a slam on you. Doesn't make much sense, but not making sense hasn't stopped you thus far. <br />
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In all of your postings I've seen, I have yet to see you cite anything that indicates knowledge of anything. You are nothing more than your hateful opinions you spew. Watch Fox news much? haha. <br />
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So Bitlord was high on the viagra that he didn't have? There you go again, making no sense. You have my pity.

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You are a pompous arse. Your intellect, or lack thereof, is typical for a libtard.<br />
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Yes, you are indeed the perfect replacement for Bit. Tell us about your longing to be a lesbian. You libs are defective. Bit was high on viagra and couldn't get any and you want to be a queen...Precious!!!!<br />
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How's the unemployment line, loser?

allofus - I'm not puking at all. It was probably harder for you to write that comment than it was for me to read it, lol. As for personal assaults, they're usually retaliatory. Usually :)<br />
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See you later - the next time we disagree on religion or politics...

Barry as much fun as bitlord could be at times, he was not an intelligent opponent. While I do not agree with V on almost anything, I must admit he is much more intelligent than you give him credit for. While he is on a opposing side to what we think and believe he does have many facts to backup his assumptions. While the anylasis of those facts maybe in question, his knowledge of issues is not. Now I know V is probaly ready to puke for someone like myself giving him any praise at all, but he is a worthy individual when he sticks to the facts and the issue. If he could limit his personal assualts he could very well persuade some to his way of thinking, but lets hope not.

Aw Barry! Was the "Is Bitlord dead" story yours? What happened to it? I went looking for it for some more laughs but it was gone :( <br />
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Like I said before, I won't be your Bitlord replacement, as he is just a cheerleader for democrats, while I hate the fact that I'm forced to vote for democrats because the other choices are so pathetically worse. <br />
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You do make me laugh, though. It's pretty funny to have my intelligence insulted by a tea bag hick that can't even spell Velveeta. Please continue!