Christians And Homosexuality.

Before I get started, this is my beliefs. I spent hours on research to confirm my beliefs. If you don't agree with them do not speak harshly to me especially if you do not know me. That's what I have been trying to get out for the past month or so. Unless you have a real reason to hate me then don't be rude. Thank you

So, in light of our Commander in Chief’s recent paradigm shift on gay marriage, I thought I would post an interesting stance paper issued by the AG. (Yes I do feature this on the church web.)

We believe that all matters of faith and conduct must be evaluated on the basis of Holy scripture, which is our infallible guide (2 Timothy 3:16,17). Since the Bible does speak on the subject of homosexuality, it is imperative that the Church correctly understands and articulates the truth on this important contemporary issue.

This reaffirmation of truth has become all the more urgent because writers sympathetic to the homosexual community have advanced revisionist interpretations of relevant biblical texts that are based upon biased exegesis and mistranslation. In effect, they seek to set aside almost 2,000 years of Christian biblical interpretation and ethical teachings. We believe these efforts are reflective of the conditions described in 2 Timothy 4:3, “For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.”

It should be noted at the outset that there is absolutely no affirmation of homosexual activity found anywhere in scripture. Rather, the consistent sexual ideal in the Bible is chastity for those outside a monogamous heterosexual marriage and fidelity for those inside such a marriage. There is also abundant evidence that homosexual behavior, along with illicit heterosexual behavior, is immoral and comes under the judgment of God.

We believe, in the light of biblical revelation, that the growing cultural acceptance of homosexual identity and behavior, male and female, is symptomatic of a broader spiritual disorder that threatens the family, the government, and the church. This paper is a brief exposition of salient biblical teachings on this subject.

I. Homosexual Behavior Is Sin

Historically, homosexuality often has been defined as an emotional (psychological) or organic (physiological) problem. In recent years, some have lobbied mental health organizations to have homosexuality removed from the list of classified diagnostic pathologies, and many have come to see it as nothing more than a morally neutral personal preference or a naturally occurring aspect of human biological diversity. In making moral judgments, we must remember scriptural warnings against depending on our own reasoning or even personal experience to discern truth (Proverbs 3:5,6).
A. Homosexual behavior is sin because it is disobedient to scriptural teachings.

When God called Israel to be His people in a distinctive sense, He miraculously delivered them from
Egyptian bondage. But God did more. He entered into a covenant relationship with them and provided the
Law, predicated on love for God and neighbor, by which they could order their lives as a holy people. That
law included specific prohibitions of homosexual practice, such as that of Leviticus 18:22: “Do not lie with
a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.” Lest the previous injunction be misunderstood,
Leviticus 20:13 provides a restatement, “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them
have done what is detestable.” “Detestable,” used in both verses, is a strong word that indicates divine
displeasure with sin.

The Christian church has historically understood that although the ceremonial provisions of the Old
Testament law were no longer in effect after the atoning death of Christ, the New Testament interpretation
and restatement of its moral law was. On the subject of homosexuality, both the Old and New Testaments
speak with one voice. The moral prohibitions against homosexual behavior in the Old Testament are
pointedly repeated in the New Testament.

Homosexuality To those who witnessed on a daily basis the sexual license of imperial Rome, Paul depicted the results that followed in the lives of those who rejected God and “worshiped and served created things rather than the
Creator. . . . Because of this God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural
relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and
were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in
themselves the due penalty for their perversion” (Romans 1:25–27). Paul is referring to both male
homosexuality and lesbianism.

In Paul’s day, the city of Corinth was especially notorious for sexual immorality. It was not only a
crossroads of commerce, but of all kinds of vice. Because the church was being established in this city, it
was important that new Christians come to understand God’s moral order. The record is explicit. Paul
wrote, “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?” Then he continued, “Do
not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor
homosexual offenders . . . will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9,10). In this case, Paul is
understood to identify male homosexuals in both active and passive homosexual behavioral roles.
Paul wrote, “Law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the
ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers
and immoral men and homosexuals. . . ” (1 Timothy 1:9,10, NASB)
An unbiased study of these passages makes it clear that scripture consistently identifies homosexual
behavior as sin. Not only do the scriptures condemn more flagrant examples of homosexual violence and
promiscuity, they also provide no support for the popular modern idea that loving and committed
homosexual relationships between two long-term partners are morally acceptable. Homosexual activities of
every kind are contrary to the moral commandments God has given us.
B. Homosexual behavior is sin because it is contrary to God’s created order for the family and
human relationships.

The first chapter of the Bible says, “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them” (Genesis 1:27). After God had created the male, He indicated it was not good for him to live alone (Genesis 2:18). So God created a companion for him (Genesis 2:18). It should be noted that the male’s aloneness was not to be remedied by the creation of another male but by the creation of a female. God created two sexes, not just one, and each for the other.
When God brought the woman to Adam, he said, “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man.” scripture then states, “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh” (Genesis 2:23,24). In creating humankind God established the order of sexuality by which the race was to develop.
Psychologically, the relationship is sound. Physically, the relationship is natural. Sociologically, it establishes the foundation for the family. The biblical order for human sexual expression is that of an intimate physical relationship to be shared exclusively within a lifelong marriage covenant—a heterosexual and monogamous relationship.
When people choose to engage in homosexual behavior, they depart from the God-given nature of sexuality. Their unnatural sexual behavior is a sin against God, who established the order of sexuality (Romans 1:27). And the social unit they seek to establish is contrary to the divine instruction for the man to leave father and mother and be “united to his wife” (Genesis 2:24). In Jesus’ discussion with the Pharisees, He reiterated the order of sexuality that God established in the beginning: “Haven’t you read. . .that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?” (Matthew 19:4,5). He pointed out that the only alternative to heterosexual marriage is celibacy for the kingdom of heaven’s sake (Matthew 19:10–12).
C. Homosexual behavior is sin that comes under divine judgment.

The name of the ancient city of Sodom has become a synonym for homosexual behavior. While other evils existed in this community, sodomy was prominent. The homosexuals of Sodom were so depraved that they threatened homosexual rape of Lot’s guests. “Bring them [“the men who came to you”] out to us so that we can have sex with them,” Lot was told (Genesis 19:5). The biblical record indicates that the mob became violent and tried to break down the door of Lot’s house. Only divine intervention spared Lot and his household from their evil intentions, and God subsequently destroyed both Sodom and the neighboring city of Gomorrah (Genesis 19:4–11,24,25).
God’s punishment of these cities was of such severity that it is used as an illustration of divine judgment by both Peter (2 Peter 2:6) and Jude (7). Jude’s commentary is particularly apt, “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.” The Book of Judges (19:1–30) records an incident in the ancient Benjamite city of Gibeah that has many similarities to the sin of Sodom. Certain “wicked men of the city” (19:22) sought to force a visiting Levite male into homosexual acts with them. Denied their insistent requests, the attackers finally settled for vicious sexual abuse and gang-rape of the Levite’s concubine that resulted in her death (19:25–30). The other tribes of Israel found the crime so repugnant that when the tribe of Benjamin refused to surrender the offenders, they eventually went to war—decimating the Benjamites (20:1-48). These are particularly notorious examples of homosexual expression that undoubtedly most homosexual persons today would repudiate. It should be understood that while expressing abhorrence at such rapacious perversion, the biblical writers do not imply that heterosexuals are not capable of sexual atrocities nor that every homosexual is as depraved as the residents of those ancient cities. Nor should modern Christians draw those implications. It is important to note, however, that wherever homosexuality occurs in the
biblical record it is an occasion of scandal and judgment. Homosexuality is never viewed in a positive light.

The biblical writers make it clear that practicing homosexuals, along with sexually immoral heterosexuals and all other unrepentant sinners, will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9,10). Paul also described homosexual conduct as one evidence of God’s judgment for humankind’s corporate rebellion against Him (Romans 1:26,27). Jesus himself was explicit that at the end of the age “the Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 13:40–42).
II. Homosexual Behavior Is Sin For Which Reconciliation Is Possible.

While scripture makes it clear homosexual behavior is sin and comes under the judgment of God, it also indicates that those who are guilty of homosexual behavior or any other sin can be reconciled to God (2 Corinthians 5:17–21).
In the church at Corinth were former homosexuals who had been delivered from the power of sin by the grace of God. In 1 Corinthians 6:9, Paul listed homosexuals along with immoral heterosexuals as those who cannot inherit the kingdom of God. His grammar implies continuing sexually immoral activity until their conversion. Verse 11 follows with a powerful contrast, “And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” They had been homosexuals in orientation and behavior, but now through the power of God’s Spirit their lives were radically transformed.
scripture makes clear that the efficacy of the death and resurrection of Christ is unlimited for those who accept it. There is no stain of sin so dark that it cannot be cleansed. John the Baptist announced, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29). The apostle Paul wrote, “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” (2 Corinthians 5:21). The apostle John wrote, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9). Through the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit, people, regardless of the nature of their sin, can be made new creations in Christ Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:17). God’s plan of salvation is the same for all. The homosexual who wants to be delivered from the penalty and power of sin must come to God in the same way all sinners must come to God, in the same way all who are now His children have come for deliverance from their sins.
The act of turning to God for salvation includes both repentance and faith. Jesus is both Savior and Lord. He is the one who forgives our sin as we believe in Him and repent. Repentance represents a change of mind in which there is a turning from sin in both attitude and behavior. Jesus is also the One whose lordship we affirm in holy living. “It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body
in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God” (1 Thessalonians 4:3-5).
Like the Philippian jailer who asked what he had to do to be saved, those desiring salvation must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:30,31)—believe that He can save from the power as well as the penalty of sin. Obedient faith, like repentance, is a condition of salvation.
III. A Word to the Church.

Of fundamental importance for every individual, including those who struggle with homosexual temptation or behavior, is the need for reconciliation with God through His Son Jesus Christ. Believers who struggle with homosexual temptations must be encouraged and strengthened by fellow Christians (Galatians 6:1,2). Likewise, they should be taught that temptation is universal, that temptation itself is not sin, and that temptation can be resisted and overcome (1 Corinthians 10:13; Hebrews 12:1–6). The moral imperatives of scripture are incumbent upon all persons. However, believers should not be surprised that unbelievers do not honor God and do not recognize the Bible as a rightful claim on their lives and conduct (1 Corinthians 1:18). Peter writes clearly of the conflict and contrast between believer and unbeliever in his first letter:

Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude,
because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin. As a result, he does not live the
rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. For you have
spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery,
lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. They think it strange that you
do not plunge with them into the same flood of dissipation, and they heap abuse on you.
But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead (1
Peter 4:1–5).

As Christians we must both exhort believers to live in moral purity and express in word and deed Christ’s love for the lost. Aware of the claims of God on every aspect of our lives, we must emphasize that we are called to holiness. To unbelievers we must reach out with compassion and humility. We must hold no malice toward, or fear of, homosexuals—such attitudes are not of Christ. At the same time we must not condone sexual behavior God has defined as sinful.

Christians should also do all they can to assist the person who has struggled with homosexual behaviors to find deliverance. Change is not always easy but it is possible. It may require the help of others in the body of Christ, such as counselors and pastors, as well as a supportive church fellowship. Christian organizations are also available to help those who seek to change their lifestyles. We desire all to be reconciled to God—to experience the peace and joy that stems from the forgiveness of sin through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. God does not want any to perish in their sins; He invites all to accept His offer of eternal life (John 3:16). As part of His church, we issue that invitation to
life in Christ to everyone.
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Look at it from a historical standpoint without the religious aspect and you'll see homosexuality hasn't been frowned upon until modern times.

Well written,with out sounding like the Whitesboro church,who in my opinion may be the greater of the 2 evils.

the question you left unanswered is what your group would do (not say!!) if in power to those who say they are gay. isolate? publicly condemn? refuse to employ? punish with the law? live in peace in a plural society? or the dalek solution exterminate, exterminate? that is the question that tests your humanity.

We shouldn't take the Bible literally, especially when it is used to discriminate. The Bible says you should be put to death if you are not a virgin on your wedding night, if you curse your parents, or if you work on Sunday. And there are many more reasons to be put to death. How many of them do you qualify for?

So if we take the Bible as a list of really great morals, it fails there too. Slavery is okay according to the Bible.

So if we take the Bible as a historical text, it fails there too. The earth is much older than it says, the ark couldn't have carried billions of species...etc.

So we cherry-pick bits and pieces of the Bible to follow and to justify our own notions. Like gays are different, so I don't like them, so let's see where in the Bible does it talk negatively about gays....

Believe what you wish, but be careful when your beliefs infringe on others because someone might believe something really terrible about you. Don't you want them to be more careful with their beliefs?

I dare you to fact check my statements by using the web link below and your own Bible. If it moves the needle in your beliefs, I would be so very interested to here about it.


What system of slavery enables slaves to accumulate wealth and become rich? (Leviticus 25:49)

Since you believe so much in the bible being the word of God, you probably noticed in Genesis that God created everything in the sky and on earth...that would include homosexuality...would it not?
So by opposing homosexuality, you are critical of his creation...

Know any ex-gays?

Rather than talking rubbish, demonstrate if you can that what i am saying is wrong!

so to you the sentence: 'surely you realize there is a god of the world and he chose to rebel against the Lord Jesus' is correct?
either your understanding of the bible sucks or it is your use of English does
As for bringing up the bible MichelleSuzanne used it for her story, quoting entire if she does so can I.

777heaven...still we are gods creation...created to his image...
The Bible unlike what many say is not the word of is the words of humans who speak on behalf of god.
Humans are not perfect, and they are also very diverse.
Anyone who has been to a Bible study group knows there are as many ways to interprete the Bible as there are people.
i resent people like MichelleSuzanne who cherry pick parts of the Bible to promote her own vision of society.
Being Christian is about being loving and accepting of all people.

Being Christian is also spending more time looking at your own life than judging that of others

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Oh honey, your so lost. I pray for you. "Lest yee be judged". Slippery theological slope you tread. Who did Christ hang with? It wasn't likes of you. Good luck! You have cast your stone, and you can see the ripple effect. May God be with you.

Cast a stone? talk about shooting the messenger...sheesh

Once, I showed the contradictory passages from the five gospels about Christ's resurrection to a team of seventh day adventists and they ran away like I was the devil.
I think I will sacrifice a sheep tomorrow and have a barb-b-q ...
as for the gay thing - really? You have to use words written thousands of years ago by random shepherds to justify your discrimination?
Go to a Uni and learn some real ****! Learn about the history of philosophy and religion and about how even the "son of god" stuff was originally Augustus and the important christian dates like christmas and easter were just stolen from the pagans. Learn about how most of Christ's teachings came from Buddhism/Hinduism
Judge yourself - but you have no right to judge others.

In your research, didn't you come across something that said that even Marriage by itself is a Sin and that humans are the only creature amidst all other creatures on earth, who engage in it? Homosexuals marry because, Heterosexuals marry isn't it ? So who gave the right to heterosexuals to consider their marriage as legal and moral, and to declare the others as sin ?

or did they write Bible the tactical way, so as to hide one sin to the other.. ?

Interesting perspective. Where precisely does the Bible teach that marriage is a sin?

Bible won't have it, cause it was written basically to calibrate sex through marriage, so they will have all sorts of problem and come back for remedy systematically and pay taxes to churches. And anyone won't have time to think of any other way of life superior to them. Humans are the only idiots who read, understand and behave on their own. It never worked with other creatures, else we could have seen dogs n cats getting wedded as well.. But they never expected that homosexuals would want to wed, so they pictured it as blasphemy and sin , in the bible, so they thought humans would read that too and behave... but the "Working Manual for Life" guess has its own bugs, where humans never behaved as prescribed or in other words started misbehaving.

Since @Michelle claimed that she has done extensive research, even outside of bible, so asked her out of curiosity, whether she has come across anything to the effect.

Not to be facetious or anything, however, if you're taking your cues on what normal behavior is from the realm of irrational beasts why don't you chop the heads off your partners after sex like the irrational Praying Mantis? Or how about committing dominance rape or having sex with young children as practiced by irrational primates? How about eating your own feces the way irrational pigs, dogs, cows and primates like to? Should it be legal for you to kill and eat babies because irrational beasts do?

Well all I can say is I respect your view. I can't really discuss the whole bible side of this (not religious at all really and think people can distort whatever they wanna hear/read into just about anything) other than saying I really wish people would leave religion out of the bedroom. Me being a lesbian of course sees this topic differently than you. Unless you are gay/lesbian, you really wouldn't understand, honestly. Mutual respect and accpetance of people and their differences will make this world a much better place, we all aren't the same, if we embrace that we get rid of some hate in the world. Basically "we" don't hurt anyone, why try to condemn us because we love someone of the same sex.

Well... As you said, I can hardly condemn you for your beliefs, and you may have those beliefs as much and as deeply as you want. It's a free world.
But I do feel sorry for the people YOU condemn. I don't share your opinions, and I never will, because I believe in equality for everyone no matter what color, sexuality, mental consistency or religion they have. If I condemn someone, it will be on grounds of personality.
You put a lot of effort in validating your beliefs... I would like to know why. Does that make you a better person, that you have a lot of scripture citations to doom and hate a whole group of people you don't know personally? Does it make you feel better?

How can you know for sure it's the truth? Again, honest question, I'm just curious. What makes you so convinced? I am not religious myself, and I have always wondered where religious people find their conviction.

I think you misunderstood. I'm not criticizing your belief, I just want to know how you know so sure that it's the truth. I mean, there are lots of religions, they all say their ideas are the truth, so you must have had some kind of reason to devote yourself so deeply to this one? How did you KNOW it was the truth, apart from people telling you?

I see you repeating by rote 'the bible is Gods living word...' but as Quantum asks...How do you know? And please answer my question below... thanks x

Why don'y you do some google research youself on the accuracy of the bible, and bible history instead of having to rely on others . Then you can make an informed and educated decision.

The world's greatest philosophers agree that truth cannot be subjective. That means that all religions cannot be true,as they conflict. Only one of them can be true,or none. All the writer did was point out the view on homosexuality of one of those religions that she believes to be correct. You are free to disagree with the religion entirely, but the point she is making is that the people who say the bible condones homosexuality are wrong. However you can be gay and a Christian IMO. Everyone is a sinner in one form or another, gays just get picked on because of the obviousness of their propensity to sin, but are no worse than the serial adulterer sitting in a church pew.

Thank you! That was exactly what I meant to say but somehow it seems I have insulted the person with my question...

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You are perfectly entitled to your own beliefs. What does the bible say about divorce?

Im sorry? Shall I repeat the question? What does the bible say about divorce?

God hates divorce, but allows it in certain circumstances.Your point?

your digusting

If you are going to pass insult at least make the effort to spell it correctly *facepalm*


i dont give a **** about my grammer
p.s your slutty w/ your profile pic with your small boobs hanging out.

'Grammar' actually.
Slutty? So? That matters to you because...?

same reason you dislike my grammer it doesn't matter. point proven goodbye = ]

fyi I wasn't insulting you I was commenting on the writer of this article.

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See the original story post.

If we are to take the Old Testament literally, then Leviticus only specifies that doing the deed in the missionary position is wrong... Or perhaps in any "lying down" sort of position. Or is THAT open to interpretation?

Just to make sure you're not prevaricating the Bible, what's your cite?

what does prevaricating mean?

still believing what some ''illuminated'' wrote thousand year ago about a guy that believed he was god son lol common we live in 2012 not in year 02<br />
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they found out that homosexuality was a genes so are you saying that god made it wrong? he created it after all so your saying what god made was wrong? oh dear that blasphemy to me

sorry my friend but it was proved

try to read more often

making so you prove to me that your god is wrong then? ain't your god always right? so the fact he MADE it mean that he believed it was okay to do it so ? what your conclusion on that

don't you think you are maybe blinded by some old book?

oh so you believe the man that wrote the scripture are more right than god himself ô.Ò ?

no, never been proved...scientists still searching for the gay gene, but never been found.

do more research

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Here’s why the materialist, naturalistic, agnostic, atheistic view of the world is wholly illogical, irrational and unenlightened:

(1) Everything that exists has an objective explanation of its existence, either in the necessity of its own nature or in an external cause.
(A) If atheism is true, the universe has no objective explanation of its existence.
(B) If the universe has an objective explanation of its existence then atheism is false.

(2) The universe exists.
(3) The space-time universe does not exist out of the necessity of it’s own nature for it did not exist until 13.70 billion years ago.
(4) Therefore, the space-time universe exists because of an external cause.

(5) The external cause of the universe must necessarily be a transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent and personal being.
(6) A transcendent, beginningless, spaceless, immaterial, timeless, unchanging, omnipotent and personal being is the definition of God.
(7) Therefore, the objective explanation of the universe's existence is God.

Thanks! :)

Why is it that everyone in favor of homosexuality fails to realize that if everyone were homosexual the human race would go extinct like the dodo bird?

Homosexuality isn't normal, it's a deviation from the normal - heterosexuality. And, btw, just to clear up any confusion on what I mean by "normal": I consider a person with 2 eyes, 10 fingers, 10 toes and a brain to be normal.. Any deviation of this would be an abnormality.

So a child born with a disability defect isn't 'normal'? So according to you, Osama Bin Laden is more normal than a gay man?

No he's not which is why he needs specialized care a normal child would not require.

RE: Bin Laden

False dichotomy. There aren't degrees of normalcy. You're either normal or you're not the same you you can't be a little pregnant. Either you are or you aren't.

....., I find it very disturbing how you can just blurt out "They're not normal". Not the gays but the disabled children. They are perfectly normal actually, they just can't perform things a luckier child could perform.

I'm not one to judge but I don't believe the way you threw that around was right. Your ability to LABEL, CRITICISE, JUDGE and DISRESPECT others is astonishing.

Actually your flavor of kindness is sheer cruelty. By pretending a disabled child is normal you force them to act and perform to the same level as their healthy peers. They're forced to live up to unrealistic expectations thus dooming them to a life of misery and self-condemnation.

Recognizing their abnormality and accommodating for it as much as possible is the more loving thing than your brand of sugar-coated cruelty.

I never said anything about sugar coating, or trying to reach them to their full potential as a human, because we all know they're unable to perform to that level. That though doesn't make them abnormal. Simply unlucky.

And abnormal or, if you prefer, atypical, divergent, anomalous or heteroclite.

And just think where the world would be today if everyone believed what "your" book told them. I always find it funny how Christians have to be dragged and kicking into the modern era (rejecting science), but have no problem enjoying all the wonderful benefits of science.

The scientific method has generously blessed mankind with nuclear, biological, chemical, neurological and conventional weapons of mass destruction.

Not to mention the glorious AR-15 which is regularly used to gun down babies in schools.

And let's not forget crack, cocaine, speed, tobacco, meth, E, heroine and all the other wondrously happy poisons that have been killing hopelessly addicted men, women and children by the millions for ages.

Let's all sing the praises of Scientism and the scientific method developing the necessary tools and techniques to help so many dedicated doctors mass murder unborn babies by the millions all across the globe without putting their reckless mothers at any risk whatsoever.

Oh and I almost forgot!! We need to also give thanks for all the toxic chemicals poisoning our air, water and earth none of which would be possible without the scientific method. It's even helping to ***** our planet of its useless ozone layer!


All bow to Scientism and the Scientific Method!!

All praise its glory and bountiful gifts!!

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Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your story, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

you're joking..., right?

Well more then joking, I was showing the hypocrisy of trying to make an argument against Homosexuality using The Bible while ignoring all the other ridiculous laws that are in it. Everything I have quoted is easily validated, I have included Chapter and versus.

I knew it.

@Once Were you an ancient Israelite you would be in serious trouble. Are you an ancient Israelite?

Ok so the church and Christians find it as an abomination.. great you are free to that doctrine, I just found it funny why Christians cherry pick the abomination they want to point fingers at, there are many things that are abominations yet the church turns a blind eye to them. Moving outside the Old Testament, the new testament is pretty clear that "wealthy people have as much chance to get into heaven then a camel can pass through the eye of a needle". Yet the church has no problem welcoming rich people that can pay their tides. Heck you won't even get a mention of Mathews passage and if you do, priests will try to convince you that it doesn't mean what is being said. Also working on the Sabbath is punishable by being stoned to death, yet I don't see Christians swarming down to the local Walmart with stones in hand. Yet when it comes to Homosexuality, Christians have somehow elevated this to the highest sin, ignoring all other abominations (listed above in original article). Why is that? So sorry if I don't believe Christians when they say hate the sin not the sinner, when they so inconsistently apply "God's" rules. Sorry from where I stand and most intelligent people stand this is hate plain and simple.


Why do you keep referring to laws that were given **exclusively** to the ancient nation of Israel? Are you an ancient Israelite?

Maxx, you are introducing a new debate, are Christians bound by Leviticus and to a deeper level the old testament at all. If that is your argument then fine, then you should not see Homosexuality as a sin, as it is not mentioned in the NT. However, you know as well as I know this is not something that is definitive, this is a debate that has been going on since the first century. And was heatedly debated during the formation of the King Henry version of the bible used by Christians today. Personally I don't see how you could arge that Gods law was not applicable to Christians and Muslims, because somehow when it was prescribed they weren't in existence and somehow got a pass later when they broke away from Judaism. However, if you are going to tell me that as a Christian you will pick and choose what you will abide to in Leviticus then I would say you are a hypocrite. As you have probably surmised by now I am an atheist, so I could care less how you want to internalize "God's" law, just do it in a consistent manner.

1 Corinthians 6:18 -

Φεύγετε τὴν πορνείαν. πᾶν ἁμάρτημα ὁ ἐὰν ποιήσῃ ἄνθρωπος ἐκτὸς τοῦ σώματος ἐστιν· ὁ δὲ πορνεύων εἰς τὸ ἴδιον σῶμα ἁμαρτάνει.

"Flee from fornication. Every other sin that a man may commit is outside his body, but he that practices fornication is sinning against his own body."

Note that this passages uses conjugations of the term πορνεία. What is πορνεία?

The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon

Strong's Number: 4202

Transliterated Word - Porneia - Phonetic Spelling - por-ni'-ah


Illicit sexual intercourse -
1.1 adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
1.2 sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
1.3 sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,

As you can see, with a simple understanding of the Koine term πορνεία, it's easy to see what is and is not acceptable sexual behavior in our Creator's eyes.

I find it funny how you wish to exclude yourself from Jewish law but you want to use their language (Hebrew) to make a point. Look that is the beauty of the Bible and language in general, I can qualify things to meet my objective. The second the Bible was translated it lost all credibility to be called the word of God. Translators have a lot of liberty in translating. More importantly you have to understand the context as well as the the language in a point of time, as well as it's local dialects and word meanings. If you think you can take sayings and words used 2,000 years ago and put them in a translator you are sadly uninformed on the nuances of language. Just try reading Shakespeare and see what I mean.

That's Koine Greek, the original language in which the Christian Greek Scriptures were recorded in, not Hebrew, lol :)

Well it all came from Hebrew, so you are quoting a quote from Hebrew to Greek then to English. Why don't you try that out using an online translator and see how the original message comes out.

No, I'm not. 1 Corinthians, along with the rest of the Christian Greek Scriptures, was originally written in Koine Greek, not Hebrew. Check your facts, I do, lol.

I stand corrected, I forgot about Paul's travels to Corinth which is the who reason for Corinthians. Ok, I am going to do a mental gymnastic move here and say that Paul's native language was not Greek but Hebrew (some debate here but he had a Hebrew name Saul) :-)

... Now I know the world is coming to an end tomorrow.

A semi-intellectually honest, semi-reasonable Atheist willing to admit when they're wrong? Who woulda thunk? heh eh eh jjkkejjk jk j :)

Now, even if what you claim about Paul is wholly accurate how does that negate God's standard on what constitutes normal human behavior as recorded in 1 Corinthians?

ROFL... Great Job!...

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Well stated and you are absolutely right! Homosexuality is a sin - plain and simple. The bible states that people know that it's wrong (Romans 1) but they chose to do it anyway. So to ease their guilty consciousnesses, they try to make it acceptable to everyone by saying all sorts of ridiculous things, such as: "people are born that way" (incorrect); "God is a God of love so loving another person of any gender must be correct" (wrong).
The sin of homosexuality is rampant in today's world. It has even crept into many churches. Like boiling a frog, it didn't happen all at once, but a little at a time.
God loves the sinner, but hates the sin. He wishes for none to perish, but those who persist in sin will perish - whether they wish to believe it or not.

I was born in a Christian family. My twin brother was always a little 'weird' in my familie's eyes ever since he was a child. He would like to dress up as a female, and wear or act like a female would. My parents just..., took it and knew that he was gay. My brother is gay by the way. Though when we hit our teen years, he found interest in females, AND males. He basically liked both genders. As his twin sister, I grew up with him, loved him and would never abandon him. He was born with being a homosexual! He did not choose it! He did not choose to wear female clothing at the age of 5, he LIKED to wear them, he found joy, it was where he thought he belonged! He loves God and Jesus. We're not the perfect Christians. We're still working our way. Anyway, he didn't choose his lifestyle.

I've also picked something else up. You obviously seem to single out homosexuality, and don't tell me otherwise. You say you want to inform people on homosexuality, since no one really classifies it as 'wrong', yet people also don't classify as believing in allah or budah as wrong (which it is) but I don't see you protesting on this!

I don't want to argue with you, nor have a debate with you. But if you are going to provocative material than you should be ready for a discussion. Do you believe people are born gay? Why don't you write about allah?

Yes, and God talks about other fake gods as well. I want you to write about other gods to, because that is the impression you put off. But no, you are not because you single out homosexuality. You judge, you judge every homosexual person.

God also talks about warlocks and witches. Harry Potter isn't considered a sin. Talk about that next time to. Stop lying to yourself.

Yes, I shall agree. But your excuse is invalid, because you don't stand by it. They are BORN that way. It is not their choice.

Then why are the signs shown as early as 3 years old? When they decide to choose to play with the pink girl toy, and the barbie doll. Explain that then!

Its easy for you to say, you're not gay nor have you been brought up with one.

7, 8 and even 9. My brother liked trying women's clothes. At that age, I think they are aware of what is male clothing and what is female clothing. Explain that since you know everything.

We were born in a Christian background. My mother and father did everything they could, but when they came home from work, they found him wearing my mother's high heels. Explain.

A child learns right from wrong when they are consistently being told what is right and what is wrong. Believe me, I have done schooling in child and adolescent psychology. I'm not saying its right. Being a homosexual is a sin. But my brother tried his hardest, tried to leave his sinful life. But he couldn't because its who he is, like it or not it is how he was born. He loves God, believes in God.

I know. But I don't believe he is going to hell. Say what you want.

God says to love people, to invite them, as long as you don't invite their practises. I don't see much loving.

you're crazy. Do you think that hatred will get you past the gates? No one knows if his going to hell or not, only God. We can only predict from scripture. You say you pleasure yourself daily. Do you think the sin of lust goes by what the bible says? I'm sorry, but you're no different.

Yeah haha right, I'm not going to argue with you. For some reason, I don't hate you. Thats what makes me better than you. Thats what makes you delusional and unfortunately doomed. Ciao.

I won't, but you don't go by what the bible says. You actually remind me of a muslim. Yeah you're more of a muslim.

I'm done with you. Its a disgrace knowing that mutts like you have the priveledge to call yourself a Christian. Don't reply, I don't want one.

you think believing in Allah is wrong?!

I'm a Christian righteous, I don't believe its wrong, I just believe that you shouldn't worship other gods because there is only one God. You're a muslim, I'm sure you believe the same thing :) (Which you do)

yepp, Muslims only worship one God, hence our Qalma which is "There is no God but Allah"

&amp; Allah is literally just the Arabic word for God.

see! :) I don't think its wrong to have faith in another god. In fact I think its beautiful. So we shouldn't let this carry on to fat

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Well articulated, Michelle.

Sorry,I believe you're sincere dear,though very delusional! There are multiple mythical Books called Bibles,all conflicting versions were written by men with control,power and profit agendas. ;(

Don't u love how they say it is the word of god even though it was put together by a roman emperor who picked and chose which books to enclude and witch to leave out and the fact that not one so called prophet even knew how to write. It was all trascribed centuries after christ died. What about the books that say women were heads of religion &amp; the mystic christian books that were left out. It's been translated from dead languages a few times but it's the word of god not the word of those that translated it. Also if being gay is so bad why do all the church heads molest little boys

All of them?....bit generalised.

Nurse, nurse my brain hurts ....

Spread your legs for me baby! I'll lick your clitoris so thoroughly...
only extreme JOY will remain :)

OMG.....I cannot believe what I've just read! Maybe I should explain my academic background. I have 3 degrees in Catholic Theology: B.Th.,MTh. and PhD!! Now If I don;t have a problem with homosexuality or being "Bisexual with lesbian tendancies", then I don't think you should., my dear.Jesus, I know for sure, would be campaiging for us if he were walking on this earth today. He was the first true campaigner of human rights!

I like your comment. I have forgotten almost everything that is in the Bible but I do think that those who believe in it...well....that it should be used as a model for forming their own behavior/actions/way of life and not as a tool for judging other people. Help (not try to change) those who need help and leave the judging to the guy upstairs.

I bet you are a real fan of the inquisition.

Why not go pick on murder, or adultery, or some other mortal sin, why single out homosexuality?

Sorry, but there is nothing more I can do but just shake my head and laugh.

I'm actually surprised by your reaction considering in looking at your profile, MichelleSuzanne, I see that you had the terrible misfortune of miscarrying before you were married...I could be terribly facetious and ask you the question of where does the Bible support sex before marriage??!! As we say here in Ireland "people in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones!" so please don't come the moral high ground and quote the Bible for certain situations when you're clearly not squeaky clean in all aspects of Bible teaching yourself! For the record, I got married when I was 27, I was a virgin and so was my husband! Also, approximately 90% of the Roman Catholic priests are supposedly gay men which is a rather scary statistic ;)

LOL I love you've "seen the light", I take it, and the "error of your ways"!! I've studied Theology for 12 years and have become an athiest now or maybe I'm just an à la carte Christian, or a Sunday Catholic...the jury is out on that one for me.right now. The Catholic Priest scandals throughout the world have done nothing to promote Bible teachings and their behaviour was never supported in the Bible. So, in the grand scheme of things homosexuality, once it's among consenting adults, like all sexual acts, is OK by my books but abusing children is never, ever right! Maybe you need to take your rant elsewhere and target Church Representatives!

I never said such a thing but rather used it as an example that supposed Church Representatives aka Priests have a long documented history of this sort of behaviour which in mine and everyone's book is much worse than homosexuality among consenting adults.....In short, Priests commited henious crimes in their and under their guise of thier religious capacity! It's very hard to take religion seriously when the people who are suppsed to be our role models bahave in such a manner.

I'm just saying that there are worse crimes being committed in the chruch by people who should know better! Besides your sexuality and orientation is determined within the first 10 days of conception, just as your eye and hair colour! It's an intrinsic part of who we are as humans. I'm glad that you found religion in your life, I've been there and done that while you were out there living a not so religious life in your athiest way. It's my turn to live the athiest way now. I've been the good Catholic girl for too long and denying who I reallly am in the process. I wish you every happiness in your life. (Sorry I'm tying here with a broken wrist)

I've been a Christian since I was born, 41.5 years ago. I have been aware of my atrraction to women since I was 13, almost 29 years ago. I have never acted on this, I got married before I had sex with a man, I have 3 degrees in Theology...........I was baptised 4 weeks after I was born, received all the sacraments, lived it, studied it for 12 years, and have worked full time in the area for 20 years now...I've done my bit and have 41.5 years clocked up!

I HAVE lived the Christian life all my life and serve others everyday through my work....besides we are not put on this earth to judge others, Rule #1 of being a Christian!!!! God is the only one who can do that with any certainty, and He my dear has my number!!! He knows I'm a good person and have lived a good and honourable life serving him and others in my capacity as a Pastoral Counsellor in a Catholic High School!

Mea culpa


Definition of MEA CULPA: a formal acknowledgment of personal fault or error
Mea culpa = I'm to blame. The literal translation from the Latin is 'through my own fault'. Even those who don't speak Latin could probably make a guess that this phrase means 'I am culpable', or words to that effect.

Even those who don't speak Latin can take 30 seconds to use Google.

Maybe she's looking in the Bible for that quotation ;)...anyway I thought she was fluent in all things Christian and therefore Latin!!

They really need to add a like button for comment replies.

and a "Dislike" button too ;)

1 Corinthians 6:18 -

Φεύγετε τὴν πορνείαν. πᾶν ἁμάρτημα ὁ ἐὰν ποιήσῃ ἄνθρωπος ἐκτὸς τοῦ σώματος ἐστιν· ὁ δὲ πορνεύων εἰς τὸ ἴδιον σῶμα ἁμαρτάνει.

"Flee from fornication. Every other sin that a man may commit is outside his body, but he that practices fornication is sinning against his own body."

Note that this passages uses conjugations of the term πορνεία. What is πορνεία?

The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon

Strong's Number: 4202

Transliterated Word - Porneia - Phonetic Spelling - por-ni'-ah


illicit sexual intercourse
1.1 adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
1.2 sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
1.3 sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,

As you can see, with a simple understanding of the Koine term πορνεία, it's easy to see what is and is not acceptable sexual behavior in our Creator's eyes.

Unlike epilepsy, you can choose not to be gay. Many have abandoned the homosexual lifestyle in favor of a normal heterosexual one. If you wanted to, you could learn how these accomplished this and do the same.

How, then, have so many others stopped being homosexual and become heterosexual?

Dunno what happened. Looks like the author deleted it for some strange reason. Hmmm ....

Beats me. Wanna start a new thread so we don't have to keep scrolling to get to our replies? lol :)

MichelleSuzanne! The text of these various 'bibles' are of NO importance as they only carry messages from MEN who (for profit and power) exploit the gullible and simple minded. Hopefully someday... you'll recover :)

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lol as a Christian, it is very interesting to me that the paragraph on Lot calls ANGELS "Lot's guests".....The issue, I think, is the issue of men having sex with angels, and not with homosexuality; and even if the Bible IS condemning homosexuality in those passages, don't you think it's a tad shady to not call them angels instead of "guests"?!

i do not think homosexuality should be made equal to heterosexuality, nor do i think it is as healthy as heterosexuality, but i do not think it is helpful to vilify homosexuality - in my very wide experience with homosexual people they present no detectable moral inferiority to heterosexual people - if anything they tend to be MORE sensitive to the needs of other people --- for my money, if you want to get literal with sc<x>ripture [and don't forget the Christian Bible has been translated from an ancient meaning through four languages - anyone who says it is unambiguous is kidding themselves] then i think far more morally insidious than homosexuality is consumer capitalism and the worship of money and glory which has replaced the worship of God [even in many churches] - this is what i think is corrupting the soul of Western civilization, and which Christianity has many ancient strictures against but which noone ever seems to talk about nearly as much - i just don't see how homosexuality is worse

not that you were doing a major vilification of homosexual people here, but it was implied

sex is as disgusting as it is sublime [and with anal sex this is even more dramatic] - i recognize that a normal healthy man has more masculinity than femininity and won't want to marry another man [and i'm still not sure if i support gay marriage] but i also think homosexual people are scapegoats for our unconscious feelings of sexual disgust - and i've simply known far too many gay people to pretend they are some kind of moral scourge - i don't see that our civilization should be concerned about what consenting adults do in private, especially when they're not hurting others - i am more concerned about toxic consumerism and the heterosexual ****-culture that is becoming so mainstream now that it's impossible to escape images of lusty flesh and it's becoming normal to send a five-year old to a beauty competition and dress a thirteen-yr old girl like a prostitute - and this sex-culture is being fed by consumerism, because consumerism is about instinct and sex sells

Michelle, for them it's not nasty, I think you need to be a bit more tolerant, and remember that God loves gay people every bit as much as anyone else, and as a christian you need to do the same. Personally I believe the church treats gay people terribly,we all struggle with different sins, but a serial adulterer will not be discriminated against by the church as much as a gay person.

I also find it meaningful that the overwhelming majority of societies the world over feel great discomfort with homosexuality. This lifestyle is not just rare here in the US but on the entire planet.

One of the most compelling reasons why millions of reasonable people the world over believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God is the fact that it contains many, many highly specific prophecies that were fulfilled exactly as predicted. No other text – religious or otherwise – holds such an esteemed distinction. Given that it's humanly ** impossible ** for anyone to predict with full accuracy what's going to occur from one hour to the next it's clear that Bible prophecies are not of human – thus divine – origin :)

1 Corinthians 6:18 -

Φεύγετε τὴν πορνείαν. πᾶν ἁμάρτημα ὁ ἐὰν ποιήσῃ ἄνθρωπος ἐκτὸς τοῦ σώματος ἐστιν· ὁ δὲ πορνεύων εἰς τὸ ἴδιον σῶμα ἁμαρτάνει.

"Flee from fornication. Every other sin that a man may commit is outside his body, but he that practices fornication is sinning against his own body."

Note that this passages uses conjugations of the term πορνεία. What is πορνεία?

The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon

Strong's Number: 4202

Transliterated Word - Porneia - Phonetic Spelling - por-ni'-ah


illicit sexual intercourse
1.1 adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
1.2 sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
1.3 sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,

As you can see, with a simple understanding of the Koine term πορνεία, it's easy to see what is and is not acceptable sexual behavior in our Creator's eyes.

so i think you are a lesbian, and i want to watch!

Well, you're entitled to have opinion as everyone else is. Personally, I'm an agnostic. I have read the bible a few times, and I'm still undecided about whether I believe in God or not. As for homosexuality, I have no issues with it what so ever (this is one of the reasons I'm not a devoted believer in the Bible) and in my opinion, I don't think one has any control over their sexuality. Therefore, they shouldn't be condemned for being who they are. <br />
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Again though, as contradictory as this may seem I can somewhat understand why people who believe dedicatedly in the Bible have strong opinions on homosexuality, in all fairness it does state in there that it is a sin. So naturally, people who believe in the Bible inevitably usually believe that it is. It doesn't make you "wrong" or "right". It is just your belief, which of course, you are allowed to express, whether I or others approve of it or not.

We certainly will. Only death can tell us the definitive answer on as to whether or not there is a God.

The bible was written by man, not god; man that wanted to control other men and all women. I fully support your right to your opinion but I could not disagree with you more. First, Jesus himself to the best of any of our knowledge, never spoke about homosexuality directly. His preachings were about love for all others, period. If I were still Christian, I'd be preaching from the rafters that those who choose to publicly denounce homosexuals, as you are doing, have been corrupted by the devil himself and are doing his work. He has masterfully made you think that you are doing god's work. Think about it, Jesus = love and inclusion not hate and exclusion. I wish you the best and hope you come around on this. You can make this world a better place.

If you accept scripture as proof then you have all the proof you need. I do not accept scripture as proof.

I don't think you're full of hate and exclusion. I imagine you are a kind person. But, trying to get others to judge homosexuals creates negativity and negativity leads to fear and hatred.

Luke 6:37. "Judge not." I doubt more needs to be said.

Really? Must have misread your story somehow, then. Oh well, I don't care. It is your right to believe what you chose to believe. I'll disagree with you forever, but the choice of your belief is yours alone.

The truth is sometimes unpopular. But it is still the truth.

Yes, God angel when visiting Lot allowed Lot's daughters to be offered up for a gang bang. So God approves of group sex<br />
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Lot's daughter gave him wine and had sex with him. They founded two tribes of Israel, not condemned or lost tribes, officially sanctioned tribes, so God approves of ******.<br />
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and if you say Oh Lot was drunk well then God Approves of drunken ******.<br />
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If you read about the anti-christ who must tell God's truth while also telling lies it is very clear the Bible is the work of the Devil.<br />
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Let's remember he threw Adam and Eve out of the garden for being dressed!

Yeah, homosexuality is a sin, and sins are concepts found in a book that says :<br />
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"Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son who will not obey his father or mother, even though they discipline him. In such cases, the father and mother must take the son before the leaders of the town. They must declare: 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard.' Then all the men of the town must stone him to death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil from among you, and all Israel will hear about it and be afraid." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 )

Yeah, bla bla do know that the Bible was written by men and a group of church guys sat around and decided what parts would be included and what parts would be excluded. The Bible is not the "word" of God it is the word of man as they would have you believe what God wants. If God created everything and God is infallible then God created homosexuals and since he is infallible homosexuals are supposed to be that way and it is presumptuous of man to think that God made a mistake in creating homosexuals and presumptuous to think it is man's job to "cure" them.

You cannot grasp the concept that the Bible is irrelevant because God did not write it.

Yes, actually human beings can do that.

That's because you are too busy using the bible as proof of itself which is illogical.

Has it ever occurred to you that God put so many different types of people on this earth to test your faith? To test your tolerance, forgiveness, and acceptance? If so, you have failed miserably.

Making public anti-gay statements isn't exactly the pillar of tolerance.

There you go, said it yourself, you fail at tolerance.

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Everyone knows i will not challenge biblical teachings, for they are so and solid. Given that judgment was not directed to anybody, i stand innocent in my statements. For i am not the one who is worthy to judge but the father. I noticed your reasoning for sharing this, i understand your message is an urgent one. I must agree, the world has become lovers of themselves in a spiritual way, as well as physically. I also take into consideration the affect of gods laws on offenders of such immorality, would not take this laying down. When we make gods laws our own we see the error of our ways. Humanity naturally makes their own laws to suit themselves for we do not see god looking at us. We think that we are righteous, and good in making such choices, when in reality an unseen god knows about it all. He has much different laws and morals, that we must see and acknowledge. Self correction and discipline leads us down a righteous god made path. I hold nothing against anyone for i was made to love all people in Jesus name. Your facts are rightly stated. Imperfect as i ... its up to my god.

are you homo sexual ?

I know the bible well, there are 370 sins in the bible and noone is exempt when we realise that we are all sinners then particular sins wont be pointed out all the time. I have many christian friends and they seem to think they have the right to point out faults when the bible states that we should take the beam out of our own eye and 1 John 1 verse 10 states If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. Who hath no sin may cast the first stone. 1 Corinthians 6 verse 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of heaven. Its not our own righteousness because our righteousness is like filthy rags unto the Lord but His righteousness in us after receiving Him by being washed that justifies. Each person who believes is on a journey an i understand what you are saying so dont get me wrong but we should bear with the weak and love. You dont know why people are the way they are or what happened but love covers over a multitude of sins. Lets help each other understand Christ Jesus who He is and who we are in Him, Christ must be first in teaching, if people accept Christ then the Holy Spirit will do the rest and the transformation from the inside will take place, the Lord will reveal those things that He wants us to overcome and help us to overcome it. Afterall, it is Him that is the potter and we are the clay, he moulds us into His likeness, not knowing Christ is condemation already so we dont need to add to it just work out our own salvation with fear and let God take care of what is outside and He will preach the good news,God Bless

i dont want to say something here because it will contradict with my advocacy and because i have alot of friends who are not fir with this context but since weref riends as i do believe you respect my views and the same way i do for you i guess for plain reason i dont mind what we practice and being a friend is different way so for detente reason i shall not ob<x>ject nor agree but as a friend well we are every way unique right....LOL

nope thats ok as i think you will also find my other stories not in your liking such as i believe in death penalty which other think very premitive and inhumane?its ok to post what you have in mind and thats ok the same way with mind others doesnt like it but i respect what ever their views about it.

yes for heinous crimes i did advocate death penalty in what way i dont mind?if you did something bad then one way or another you will never be forever run away from law and you will get punishment and its your fault right.
Well dont delete what you write because there you will understand that people in all walks of life think differently and its good to tackle critism beside ep is not a government sponsor site that we are afraid to say something here we can do what ever we wanted and say something what we had in mind because we have free speech right?LOL

What's an innocent person? If I killed you I'd go to jail but if I were a solder in combat and i was led to belive you were the enemy I'd be rewarded for it. Does the government decide what's right or wrong for you? Because if you believe people should be put to death for the killing of innocent others then the entire US military should be put to death.
Oh yeah. Isn't getting divorced a sin? Getting remarried to do it again?

Well no one could possibly judged you if it was a sin or those people you killed because you are a US Service men,or other military personnel in the world,so its not the government who decide that you will be in hell or heaven its the law that required us to obey and to follow in order the society is not full of **** and killers and heinous crime minded people,so i support DEATH PENALTY to the end in order to stop or prevent killers and all sort to create problems in the society who love PEACE.About getting married i dont mind if others also think its a SIN then when we die and met where ever we end up then lets discuus it there because as ive said what you think is acceptable is your own choice and i choice to follow what i think fair.

ha,ha,ha you see i like and enjoy if someone reacted to our choices and it makes ep a very intersting place to have adult disccussion and issues they wanted to swereve with what we believe,i like this people and yeah i usually defend my friends but to make my advocacy as if its a contemptible in nature then why do they apply it in their little ways to make difference right.just let them know we are unique in everyway and i dont mind what there opinion as long as its an open view whatever critism is welcome....

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