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The Holly Bible,quraa,taurats Are Just One Message Send By God.

I believe in God and I'm 100% sure about the accuracy of the holly Quraan.

I respect the Abrahamic religions cause these religions are the only real message that has been send by God to make human beings believe in everything God has put infront of our life events. Living,dying then living again for ever whether in hell or heaven.

The Bible is or was very close to the Holly Quraan it even is the second original copy of it.

But since people started putting their own silly rules in the Bible and changing Gods rules as well as the Laws of God the Bible has been screwed too much.

In my opinion people shouldn't play God with Gods messages.
VAMPIREGORGEOUS VAMPIREGORGEOUS 26-30, F 13 Responses Mar 31, 2012

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God? If there was a god this world wouldn't be like this! Isn't god supposed to help us? Be our "father" or "king"? Well I don't see him doing anything helpful! I don't know what type of god you study.

I believe in one God. So Bible, taurat, quran must have one origin. Anyways all religions teach same philosophies. I dunno why people fight over religion.

all my respect for such a great debate vampire

Thanks :)But It\'s my job to defend my religion and it\'s my responsibility since I know English.

I find it amusing when other Holy books are put down and yet the Quran' the most highly divisive of all the 'teachings' is continually set up as some sort of 'special' case, I suppose it is special, its the only Holy Book I know of where infidels, gays, minorities and indeed other muslims themselves are cut up into pieces for saying something that may offend Mohammed or Allah. The Quran has so many interpretations that muslims themselves cannot agree on one thing.

Pardon, but maybe you should study religious book and scriptures very closely and diligently before concluding with a false statement.

Maybe you should go back to the times of Jesus(PBUH) And see how false I might be when comparing the Bible with the Quraan.

what false statement?, can you deny that islam in the year of 2103 the only Religion that sees conflict on a massive scale. Regardless of who you wish to blame and no matter what big stick you wish to wave at the USA it is Islam and muslims who have sectarian violence within their own religion which results in tens of thousands of deaths and the West being dragged in again. Or deny that gays and other religious minorities within these muslim dominated countries are safe. Do not under any circumstances start any daw\'ah crap with me, do not endorse a violent ideology. Want to talk about not understanding and misinterpretations, looks closer within islam and stop trying to defend the indefensible.

Just shut your mouth!!!People are human beings and God never told us to follow the devil we are the ones who do this to ourselves so stop blaming Islam for what Muslims do And just for your information I can count for you what Non-Muslims everywhere on this earth are doing to people just Cause they are MUSLIMS not cause of political,or financial or social issues. We never blame others for their religion we blame them for their own actions. Unlike You Islam haters.

I was replying to LipsParted.

We are not trying to make the other holly books look bad in comparison with the Quraan but we can\'t deny that the Bible has been corrupted just like the Taurat And that the Quraan is still remaining the same :) GET ALIVE!!!! Your words in this comment just show how closed-mined stupid and ignorant you are. There are always reasons for why the Quraan\"God\" forbids things or why God puts rules for us. Even if we think they are too much still there is logic reason why they exist.

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Well if god is real... Then he's ur typical modern day thug. It's, believe in me or b condemned to burn in hell for eternity... There is no option, no free will. That's jus like a street thug who has u at gunpoint n says " give me ur money or I will shoot u" even ur typical average raper, who's says "give me that V, or die. And the list will go on n on. All it takes is sum pure reasoning, logical intelligence, n ull find truth.

“Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks." [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 256]

P.S, Not "forcing" religion upon you.

Really???As if I don\'t know that. Besides this the Bible was just the first message of God which had been corrupted by the Jews then priest started to add their own rules in it canceling God\'s words.

Hahaha! My dear u r so wrong.. What kind of dope r u smoking?! Every religion forces belief. Only a legit Spiritual teacher will not.

Qur\'an (9:29) - \"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.\"

Qur\'an (8:39) - “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ].

Really???Every religion forces believe??i advice you to do research about Islam.

And before copying and pasting God\'s verses go get the explanation of this verse cause as Muslims we are not supposed to interpret Gods words nor say things without really knowing it\'s correct explained meaning. You are reading a verse which it\'s original virgin is Arabic not English

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Is EP a suitable site for religious debate, I doubt it, take your demented ramblings elsewhere.

I'm saying LOGIC ANS SENSE NOT STUPIDITY LIKE YOU PEOPLE SAY :)

I knew you were a religious fanatic when I read your story.

she is very defensive and quick to tell us to \'shut up and call us stupid\'

LOL You have no Idea :) I'm not religious LOL I'm not an extremist nor I'm Our Mother Marry PEACE TO HER :) BUT MY RELIGION IS WHAT I LOVE AND WHAT I'M PROUD OF AND WHAT I TRUST CAUSE I SEE HOW IT'S BEING LOVED BY MANY WHO HATED IT BEFORE AND I HAVE SEEN MIRACLES MYSELF DESPITE I'M ALREADY A MUSLIM. OLD TESTAMENT REAL BIBLE=QURAAN. NEW BIBLE TESTAMENT= A BIG LIE AND FAILURE OF CHRISTIANITY.

if you are not Religious why are you defending Islam and putting **** on other Holy Books. Hypercrite

doesnt the quran have bits of the new testament?

like acknowledging jesus as a prophet?

yes,we MUSLIMS acknowledge JESUS as pious PROPHET! THere IS A WHOLE named SUARH-e MARYAM(MARRY)
The holy QURAN even has the information about the Birth of MARRY
,her childhood,her conceiving JESUS as a miracle,JESUS's birth,his miracles,he clearly says THAT he is not GOD!
I CAN Give you the links OF SURAH,if you want to know?

Sorry??Quraan and testament???Where from did you get that???

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Are you a supporter of Muslim Extremists that like blowing up innocent people, a terrorist supporter.

Sorry but I'm not. And Islam is not killing innocent people :) PEACE!!!

I now know you are a bored women that types shite into EP Q&A.
You are not Muslim and you eat bacon and pork chops.

sucks blood too, is that allowed during Ramadan lol

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Really????? :D

i do believe youre thinking timothy of some ppl who are playing politics with peoples lives like any other ideology

ie just because most violent criminals are men, does not make all men violent criminals

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Quraan was wrote 600 years after the bible. islam is a simple knock off, a copy cat if you will of christianity. Other religions are even older. All religions are designed to make everybody the chosen ones. Only my order the immaculate custodians of God is closest to truth.

You are saying nonsense .....

What part?

First of all the Quraan was not written it was send by God to the prophet Mohammad
And he used to memorize it as well as write it down. Secondly all prophets were send by God to spread his message which was and still is Believing in ONE God,All his Angles,Heaven&Hell,The day Of Judgement.

Thirdly I already know that the Holly books all three were the same message from God And the Bible"OLD TESTAMENT" Despite I don't believe in a so called words named "TESTAMENT" Cause it shouldn't exist but since the Jews have played God Trying to change God's words and the prophet Jesus' Message They Invented a so called new Testament and old testament. The Jews changed or corrupted the Bible since the beginning And it was just a copy of the Quraan.

Just cause the prophets were given different powers by God it doesn't mean their message was different and Islam is not like Christianity or Jewish religion.

Jesus in Arabic mean "Mesih" Which means "The Wiper" And He was called this way cause he was given the ability to cure animals and human beings as well as bringing them back to life by wiping on them with his hand.

And Just cause he was born from a mother having no father it doesn't mean he is the son of God nor he's God himself That's infidelity.

my turn.
Allegedly Mohammad never wrote out the quraan. But memorized it. Writing out the quraan if forbidden. It must be put to memory. Haw many can do that word for word?
JESUS did exist and could perform miracles, by your own admission. Why could he not have been the son of God?
The jews do not believe in Jesus as it was their doing that put him to death. They do not except this responsibility.
The quraan was invented 600 years after the holy bible. It is the quraan that is a copy. History shows Mohammad to be a adulterer, and a pediphile.
Not unlike every one else in that time as well. And what's with the seven virgins after death? Tell me that was not made up by men of the period.
No, islam is just as fake as much of the christian bible. I believe in God, but the written books? All of them so much bull.

Sorry????how can many memorize it all word by word!!!!!Are you serious???
Go and see how three year old Muslim children have memorized the whole book in a few 3 years even months!!!

Cause as I said Jesus can't be God God was never human and did not die and he is the almighty How can the almighty get killed by a bunch oh Weak Jews who are humans??? And the Bible never said that Jesus was God or even the son of God and God is not weak nor needs children.

If God needed children then all of his prophets should have been his children even us.

Invented??!!!The Quraan!!!With all my respect to the Bible go and do some research about a Book called BIBLE which has gone through lots of inventions called"TESTAMENTS"

And what concerns "it is the Quraan that was a copy" I did a little typing mistake I know the OLD BIBLE was the first Copy ORIGINAL copy of the REAL BIBLE not the fake human made Bible that you people call God's words when in truth it's Priests Words.

Have you ever seen hell???Or heaven???If yes tell me I'm wrong or to be more precise the AHADEETH of the Quraan and Mohammed(PBUH) Was wrong.

Can you give me a prove about the non existence of what has been mentioned in hell or heaven???I can prove to you that the Quraan was 100% right about the description of heaven and the seven virgins why???Simply cause I believe in Hell heaven and all the Prophets said about them and I don't need to deny the exact description of the Heavens nor I need prove of the seven virgin since I believe in heaven unlike you.YOU CAN'T FACE ME NOR BEAT ME WITH YOUR STUPID QUESTIONNAIRE.

THE BIBLE IS FAKE WE PROTECTED THE QURAAN AND THAT'S WHY IT'S GETTING ACCEPTANCE BY EVEN ATHEISTS.

YOU BELIEVE IN GOD??!!!!SERIOUSLY!!!!TO ME YOU ARE LYING ON YOURSELF AND IF YOU REALLY BELIEVED IN GOD YOU AT LEAST WOULD HAVE HAD A RELIGION EVEN IF THAT RELIGION WAS A LITTLE BIT MAN MADE!!!! BUT TO ME YOU ARE JUST AN ATHEIST NOTHING MORE!!!

YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO MEMORIZE GODS BOOK DO YOU KNOW WHY???CAUSE GOD WON'T EVEN MAKE YOU WISE ENOUGH AND GIVE YOU SUCH A MIRACLE TO BE ABLE TO MEMORIZE IT. GO AND SEE HOW MANY MUSLIMS HAVE MEMORIZED THIS HUGE BOOK VERSE BY VERSE NUMBER BY NUMBER CHILDREN AGED 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 EVEN PEOPLE AT VERY OLD AGES HAVE MEMORIZED IT!!!! GO TO HELL WITH YOUR STUPID THEORY AND ILLOGICAL ASSUMPTIONS "YOU MAKE NO SENSE " And the only ADULTERER IS YOU!!!!!YOU BASTARD!!!!!! HOW DARE YOU TALK LIKE THIS!!!!! GO CLEAN YOUR NASTY BUTTS AND SHOW ME HOW MANY NON MARRIED UNDERAGED GIRLS IN YOUR COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN F U CK ED UP BEFORE EVEN HAVING THEIR PERIOD!!!

does memory imply understanding?

Yes in Islam it does.

You are not allowed to explain any verse unless you know it well and know it's reading.

um vampire what does the age of our girls got to do with theology?
that doesnt strengthen ones arguement thats just attacking your opponent character (not what hes actually saying or whether its true or untrue)

in english we call it straw manning where u create a straw man ie a streotypical view of our opponents opinion and then attacking it without addressing actual criticism

ie making assumptions about religious people or athiest , attacking a streotype and then automatically drawing their conclusions from it

for example if you're a vegetarian you might claim all meat eaters are bad

mention a load of serial killers who eat meat

then attack meat eaters in general

replace meat eaters and vegetarians with two opposing religious or political viewpoints

and we have the straw man fallacy

but surely the quran has multiple interpretations

why else would you have lawyers and jurist over law if it wasnt open to interpretation?

being able to recite somethign does not imply the ability to analyse or interpret meaning

otherwise autistics would automatically be considered the most intelligent people on earth

Really??You mean the memorizing of the Holly Quraan??It has lots of things to do with Theology cause it is something that our prophet asked us to do if we have the ability to memorize it all. And Memorizing the Holly Quraan is to God very Great.

I'm not attacking anyone nor I need to strengthen my opinions cause i'm not saying something based on my own opinion You really have no Idea how we are raised up even the least religious people in our community know almost everything about their religion.

um you implied other women ie western women were somehow promiscuous because they dont share ones religious or cultural values or beliefs

i think you said something about young girls being f***ed up or some such....?

Of course you can READ or EXPLAIN it's verses but Arabic Language is not as simple as you think. And you simply can't get the exact meaning of a verse by just reading it. No matter how much I try to explain it to you you still won't understand me cause if you don't know Arabic well you might think I'm trying to justify things.

The Holly Quraan is like a Chain you can't read it's one verse and justify that's it!! in Islam killing infidels means killing disbelievers and period" Cause there are other verses that mention if you kill one person you've killed a whole nation and if you safe one soul you've saved a whole nation. And even this verse or speaking" Kill infidels" Doesn't mean kill non-Muslims"CHRISTIANS" Or "JEWS" It simply states killing those who assault Muslims we call them infidels.

The word infidels in Arabic means"Disbelievers," But it could be also referred to those Muslims who have sins and don't act like Muslims.

LOL Yes Cause many Islam haters accuse our beloved pure kind generous prophet Mohammed (PBUH) To be An adulterer which is totally injustice!!

That's why i have the right to remind them about how their girls have been raised up and what real women respect is cause to me having sex with a girl just for a guy's lust then making her pregnant or loose her virginity is NOT Respect nor it's well treatment or even evaluation.

You are not worth my time.

Your time???LOL As If i care about your stupid questions which have no logic nor sense. Please!!! I'm happy you stopped arguing me cause you just won't beat my answers.

having sex before marriage does not make a woman fallen or impure, in western culture we have feminism which means women should have equal rights to men and liberalism which states that all people should have freedom and liberty to act in a way they wish as long as they dont hurt anyone or restrict anyone elses freedom

its her choice to have sex and if not then its assault or ra pe on the mans part

Do you call committing adultery FEMINISM?? Please!!!!
Innocence is Feminism,purity is innocence and having sex out of marriage doesn't make a woman innocent nor it makes her Feminine it makes her a B i t ch. Why??Simply cause women are known for their modesty and shyness. It makes not just women impure but also guys and who told you that sex before marriage is just prohibited on women??But women are more judged cause in our community women are more reserved and are not like guys out going. Besides this Guys biologically have higher libido than women.

we as women have the rights to satisfy our lusts but not the way women in the Western community do it, having sex out of marriage,getting infected with serious transmitted sexual disease and then as if that's not wort getting pregnant.

When talking about the equality of human rights read the Quraan and you'll see that our prophet Mohammed (PBUH) Before He died He charged us for respecting women,being gentle to them and never assaulting them. And God send a verse that was meant to have mercy on women and treat them well.

What is Liberty to you???can you define it???Is it having sex out of marriage???Leaving your children without care to run away with your boyfriend as a women??Is liberty shouting on your husband and beating him???Is liberty taking away your children from their father just cause you think you are right???Is This Liberty??? I CALL IT IGNORANCE AND LIBERTINISM. Liberty is being wise acting smart without loosing your morals trying to find solutions without turning to force.

liberty can either be defined negatively freedom from ie constraints such as not being a slave or oppression for example in lebanon you can pratice as a muslim or christian wheareas im not sure you could do that in islamic states like saudi arabia

postive liberty is the right to shelter ,food and the means of subsistence ie like zakat which exists in Islam to give charity to the needy

i define liberty as a woman having the right not to be beaten or abused by her husband or for the kids not to face abuse

hence why we have divorce to give people who suffer cruelty, abandonment or dessertion or adultery freedom to live separately from a husband or wife who is unfaithful or who breaks the marriage contract (negative liberty)

as originally in the matrimonial causes it has since been revised to irretreviable breakdown of the marriage (positive liberty-we believe children benefit from being in happy family rather than forcing people together based on a marriage contract- otherwise they take it out on each other and the children)

also adultery is defined as sex out of marriage when somebody is married

i was talking of pre marital sex which is between two consenting adults who are not in relationship which is not only legal but perfectly ethical unless there is coercion or force.......

if one of the parties was married that would be called adultery and even if both were unmarried but in a relationship that would be called cheating which is legal, unethical and frowned upon

in regard to the first response about stis and the like

we tried that in the victorian era and it didnt work men would often take out their lust elsewhere

ie p-rostitutes and servants


the problem is whilst u may assume forcing people to be abstinent may make the moral it doesnt make them act ethically

ie they cheat or break or bend the rules according to how much they can get away with socially or culturally

not only in britain ,europe and usa but the uae such as dubai where u can see pros titutes in the capital which is technically an islamic country

liberalism exists in parts of europe as loose social contract whereby we say do as u will but dont hurt anybody or infringe on their freedoms

hence we allow freedom of expression ie speech,press and religion but also to assemble and sexuality

gay ,straight ,bi,lesbian its fine as long as its between two consenting adults and they dont force or coerce anyone

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I'm not nearly as familiar with the Holy Quran as I will become as I've only become truly interested in learning more about Islam in the last approximate four weeks or so...but must still agree with you; my heart tells me that the Quran is the Word of God, Christianity did not somehow arrogantly 'corner the market' on Him nor define or trap Him in any kind of confining, elitist box.

man is animated by something greater than existence. the purpose of these books i would want to think is give us a moral compass. these books were written about a people that were chosen as an example. they basically went through everything we've gone through and continue to go through today: war, pandemics, hunger, joblessness, family issues and so on. mutilating these lessons to "insert" subtle hints or just outright manipulation is wrong. but then again, man should revere the proverbial gift and not the messenger.

this article is timely. thanks!

indeed man is animated by God, who is greater than our existence, i will only disagree with you that the holy books ( Quran, true bible, and the true old testament) the purpose of them is not to narrate stories of other people , but they contained instructions to a decent life, hints to study the creation of God, warning of wrong deeds as well as some examples of people who were in the same situation any human being will go through.

Yes I know but unfortunately lots of Islam haters Just see what's mentioned about how Heaven is and how it has been described ignoring those points you've mentioned they even know the Quran throughout the Internet,converts, and even experiences of others on T.V and Miracles that they surely have heard about on the News. But despite this they keep on accusing our prophet Mohammed (PBUH) with terrible things that are 100% wrong and unfair.

You shouldn't blame me for being harsh on those haters cause I tried so much to explain to them what Mohammed(PBUH) really was and what the Islamic rules are and why they have been put but instead of hearing Compliments or at least confessions about that my words make sense all I get is Mohammed was an adulterer and all those cold accusations that are not true at all they even have no prove.

sister, haters are everywhere. Islam had haters at the time of the prophet peace be upon him and it some people will continue to hate. but remember what was the response of our beloved prophet towards haters? what was his response toward the jewish who used to put spikes on his way everyday? what was his response towards people of makka who chased him out of his homeland , fought him and killed his followers. did he call them stupid ? did he pray to Allah to destroy them at the moment Allah gave him this right ? The prophet called to islam with "wisdome" and "good word" Islam is a bright truth, a shiny sun that everyone nowadays can see, those who denies the bright sun, let them deny.

and you could have responded to my email in a private message , not in public .but you are a sweet sister.

Really???you make no sense. First of all those whom we should take as an example were and still are called Messengers and prophets of GOD.

secondly prophets were the most people who have gone through much more difficulties and misfortunes than us. And the prove is our prophet Jesus who was tortured and who was about to get crucified by the Jews as well as our prophet Mohammed(PBUH) and all the prophets before him too. .

The gift is this Book which many have no Idea about and even ignore that it actually tells about everything even before it actually happens.

How can you say that the Quraan is a man made book when it in truth mentions events in the future life hundreds of years before it actually happened???

The only one who makes no sense to me is you.
And before commenting please give at least a convincing answer not just crap.

Why would I answer them in private??If I wanted to do this I wouldn't have put such a topic in public I want everybody to see the truth even if they ignore it or try to deny it they deep down know I'm right.

Your message was not something that concerns you it's a subject that lots of people talk about.

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Agreed. Regretably greed often lies behind the "changes" in the books.

yep, if only blind belief and spiritual pride had not replaced the openmindedness, and humility of real faith. i guess too much of the spitual core of christainity has been overshadowed by the literalism of religious conviction.

I agree. God created us God is all powerful We all need an instruction manual to deal with life We were given tham They are both right Try to live according to the one that yr parents taught you and accept the other as true also The world would be a better place if we all did that