of Course, I Believe In God...

of course, i believe in God!

what i don't believe in and don't care for, after having read the Bible numerous times, is the modern church and the people who claim to be of any certain denomination.  i have no use for either of them.

read the Bible from cover to cover without missing a word.  read it line for line from Gen to Rev.  it takes approximately 3 months if you read 30-45 minutes per day.  read it repeatedly, over and over.  do NOT stop reading until the day you die.  read it without the bias you've been taught.  read it without endoctrinating it by your longtime understanding.  let go of all of that and read it with sincerity.  when you read a verse, no longer should you 'think' you already know what it means.  be like a child with a clean slate having never heard of nor seen any of it.  seek the truth from God alone.  don't ask questions of man ... the fallible man.  leave man out of it.  when God wants you to know the answers He will reveal them to you via His written voice ... the Bible.

i'm certain if you rely on the Bible alone, seeking the truth with all your heart having let go of all your understanding and beliefs - all that you've been taught previously, you too will find more answers than you've ever found, have more peace, and best of all ... you will have a much closer relationship with God.

this commitment could save your life.

AbbyNormal AbbyNormal
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49 Responses May 29, 2007

True, I used to go to church all the time. I was fed the Jesus loves you and died for you. I really did not hear real sermons about today and how it relates to us today making choices.
I think church is great when your young. It keeps you grounded. But then late in life, its best to read the bible, daily. Contemplate different aspects of its meaning.
I have questions for God that get written in my journal. I hope he answers me. For instance: What is written is that God has one name, God. There are no other Gods before him.
Then, Who is Allah? That name is God in another language, yet the Koran has the opposite meaning of love and care for neighbor, oks killing for religious reasos and I quesiton the prophets behaviors..so who Is this other God.

I talk to God daily, he is my best ear. thanks for posting.

Even more importantly, it could save your death! Good advice though. I like the idea.

Thank you, Prayers. Good luck with your church situation...

Strange that I joined this today and bumped into your story. You see I went to church today and got depressed. Music was good, sermon was...I don't remember..I got bored, afterwards, I was having a heart to heart with one woman and was interrupted by another woman. Later I was treated in a patronizing manner by another lady. And I left more depressed than before I'd gone. And I keep thinking why is this so? So I like what you have to say. Though not sure I will give up church as I am a lonely person. Nevertheless, I think you make a good point. The Bible holds the answers.

Thank you, Bartman! Your interpretation is correct! <br />
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I too quit going to the 'building' [modern church] due to all the hypocrisy, judgement, and well ... all the negativity which goes directly against the word ... it made me sick! I KNEW there had to be something more to the Bible than what I was experiencing in the church ... so I began reading it. Very glad I did ... <br />
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Thanks again, Bartman. Take care.

I won't 'write' to you again, missing, however, you need to realize there's a difference. I don't live in that glass house you're touting about. I believe in God, yes. I am NO Christian and would never claim to be ... EVER!<br />
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You, missing, need to learn to read and assess accurately before you reply and even then should your comment/opinion differ from that of the author, perhaps you should utilize some tact in the future. <br />
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Tact goes a very long way in makng and keeping friend, young missing, FYI.

I didn't cast judgement on today's church nor the people in it - I said and I will quote here, "what i don't believe in and don't care for, after having read the Bible numerous times, is the modern church and the people who claim to be of any certain denomination. i have no use for either of them."<br />
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If I ate soup that left my mouth scorching hot and bitter there'd be no judgement in it. I would not care for that soup and I would not eat that soup again. If there was an alternative soup made of ingredients that I'm allergic to or don't find palatable, I wouldn't eat it ... No judgement there either.<br />
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The story doesn't say that I hate X because of X. Nor does the story say that X is going to X because of X. THAT IS judgement. Yet ... I get juvenile young atheists who obviously cannot read telling me how to live - that I shan't judge, etc.<br />
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RE: I believe in God story<br />
AbbyNormal says: September 12th, 2007 at 04:57 PM Was your comment directed at me - the author or at another commentor?<br />
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If it was directed at me, I don't believe you read my story at all ... there's no judgement in it and I believe your comment was quite rude and uncalled for - IF it was directed at me.<br />
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missing says: September 12th, 2007 at 05:11 PM Just in general ... don't take it personal ... I don't think my comment was anymore rude than yours which I didn't find anything of yours rude so I don't know why you find what I said rude. but hey sorry that i got you all in a huff. Truly sorry<br />
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AbbyNormal says: September 12th, 2007 at 05:23 PM You told me not to cast judgement yet you yourself are casting judgement with your comment ... that's what's rude...<br />
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NOTHING in my story had any judgement whatsoever so I simply don't understand ...<br />
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missing says: September 13th, 2007 at 02:12 AM Okai please don't write me again. I will not read or comment on any more of your stories. I hope you feel better about this. Again I will apologize that you are so upset. This is just a dinky web site and you really should care less what other people say. Since you are so upset and find my comment so unbearable delete it. DOn't write me about it again and we will just leave it alone. Like I said I will not read your stories or write about them again. I hope this helps you feel better. Also do not write me again. I am sorry you got so upset. I apologized in my last message and unless you are trying to start some juvenile drama just accept my apology. I will reiterate PLEASE DO NOT WRITE AGAIN. THis is over. Accept my apology or don't just leave me alone. Thank you.<br />
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Oh and your story cast judgement on todays church and those in it. So please those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Anyways it was just your opinion and well not all opinions are right including mine. So we will leave this alone.

I don't judge ... that's not my place, Marji. You couldn't force me to! hehe As for our friendship ... I don't base my friendships on other's beliefs. Not in the least! I just offered my view on it is all. What you do with it is up to you. I respect you for you who you are and not for your beliefs just as I'd hope you'd respect me for the same - ultimately our beliefs are who make us who we are... so, if we respect one another, we respect each others beliefs but it doesn't mean we agree with them or practice them ourselves ... <br />
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Did that make sense?

Pretty dangerous waters you're wading in there, Marji, but if that's what you want who am I to tell you otherwise? <br />
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For me it's vitally important to go directly to the source in anything and in this instance it's the Bible/God ... I used to do like you with the TV. At one point I even went to church regularly. However, once I decided to go directly to the source I read things, saw things in there, learned things, realized things that would never allow me to return to church or a TV ministry ... *shrugs*

Missing - I don't know who the he!! you're speaking to, however, I didn't address non-believers and that means I wasn't speaking to you. Therefore, if you are speaking to me ... your comment is quite rude ...

The bible is interesting. A good bundle of stories. But thats all I believe it is. After much thought and after my little 23 years of life here on earth I just don't believe there's a GOD. At least not the on portrayed in the Bible. That GOD is vengeful and sometimes just hateful. I think a lot of people feel the need to believe there's something more to life. But life is what you make it. You have good times and bad times. THats just life. If having faith helps u make it through your day then rock on. Don't put other people down for not thinking the way you do. REmember Jesus's Golder Rule " Treat others the way you want to be treated" Supposedly God knows your every hateful thought and only God can judge each person. So why don't you leave that to him and let him figure out who the sinners and saints are.

I'd like to point out that in dealing with these two, although my 'golden rule' philosophy failed and I began a rottweiler attack ... which to some may seem overboard ... I simply utilized the Bible and His own words ... I fought fire with fire basically. However, due to their lack of understanding, their approach, and the double standard they fought so diligently to prove was okay for them and not for me as well as the clear inability they displayed in the English language ... they caused more confusion than there should have been. I feel drained ... The bible itself states that only the devil will do this to you ... *sighs* I'm happy the demon blocked me ... Thank you, God!

Bro, you're quite simply ... the BEST! I laughed at your statement about Faith being beautiful and now understanding ... ROFL<br />
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I also laughed at the very things you laughed it ... their arguments so circular, using bad grammar/english and confusing the issue, taking my beliefs out of context when they too forsake the assembly ... it was all sooo very stupid and had I realized it earlier on, I'd have simply ignored them ...<br />
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The number of comments doesn't hurt though ... perhaps it will attract more viewers for which to either agree with me or I shall dance another round ... *ding ding* hehe

The argument tactics are so interesting here. Ocean seems to like finishing and starting again and again. I especially enjoyed the part where she said 'WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU WOMAN' (You could taste the love of thy neighbor) and how she followed with 'lol' as if it were not an insult to Constant's intelligence...but a joke in insulting disguise. Very smooth.<br />
What was more exiting was the many false endings, like finishing with 'I'll just let it go...God Bless' and then doing just the opposite. Wonderful! I can only hold my breath to see whether this really will be Oceans last post...the tension...wow.<br />
Some wise bird once said 'Faith can be a beautiful thing' and I never understood until I saw Constant argue with Christians.<br />
Isn't life wonderful?<br />
Now to sit back and wait...the tension is killing me.

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Foresaking the assembly has everything to do with THE CHURCH - going to church on Sunday and Wednesday. I too fellowship with like minds and that was never my argument. YOU are the one who took my words out of context and drew your sword against me on a false platform - a platform we do not necessarily disagree upon. Please re-read the story.<br />
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Now let me show a few things here ...<br />
part = to belong<br />
apart = not belonging to<br />
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I took your "apart" to be slang ... I believe to have interpreted your stance correctly considering your admissions since.<br />
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You took offense with my stance, yet you yourselves forsake the assembly but all you can do is be ashamed of not belonging to nor attending a church? <br />
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What a waste of time for all of us, really ... <br />
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I can only assume your answer to the next question is Yes ... Do you love your God? If so, you will obey. Obey 100% and follow His commandments. But you are no different from anyone else (there is not one who does obey 100%) nor any better as you do not obey and therefore, I question your 'love'. When you 'love' truly truly 'love' ... you obey ... <br />
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And, yes, that's in there too ...<br />
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Good luck on your path. I hope you find less confusion as you grow in your faith and biblica education - confusion is of the devil by the way and you two created enough of that here tonight... I've proven my point repeatedly and there is no need to go further with it.

Did you not admit to being part of a church? Did you not admit to being associated with one? Did I misunderstand?

You both lied. I KNEW IT! You now tell me you are part of a church, however, prior to this admission you both claimed you were not ... <br />
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Shall I quote you? Nah, you both know, as well as everyone else reading this, that you claimed to have nothing to do with the church and that you could not possibly be indoctrinated by the misinterpretations of a fallible man.<br />
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I rest my case. I will not surround myself with the perverse, hypocritical or deceptive who lie, steal or cheat in order to further their agendas ... the agenda of a church - a church which has already been destroyed by it's own Creator - a church that teaches misinterpretations via a fallible man - a church which fails to recognize there is but ONE PERFECT religion and until there is but ONE church, all churches are condemned. As I've said before, "it's in there..."<br />
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Thank you for coming forward to prove yourselves to be not only inept but liars, cheaters and agenda driven, perverted wh0res of the modern church. <br />
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You KNOW what your sentence will be and if you don't, again, you only need look to His word for that because where you are going ... well ... it's not "heaven" as you would say ... Wh0res of 'religion' do not pass 'go' with God. And, yes, that's in there too ... :-D<br />
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*bangs gavel*

Dulce, you also ignored my repeated request to explain your argument of us being His church that He destroyed ... <br />
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Again another sad sad argument that's not understood by you two ...

For anyone else who would care to comment about my beliefs, be sure you KNOW what you're talking about before you approach me and tell me I'm incorrect. As you tell me that I'm incorrect you stand in the presence of God telling Him He's incorrect because my beliefs are those He's commanded both YOU and me.<br />
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There are meanings beyond what the text says LITERALLY and you HAVE to know and understand those if you want me to even give you an iota of respect for your argument ... otherwise it's in your best interest to leave it be ...

That commandment was for the Apostles to move on when their services, their conversion was denied. You and your attempt to convert is denied by me ... move on.<br />
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This is the very reason I say you do not understand the Bible, that you do NOT know what you've read ... You two neither one understood what that commandment was about ... <br />
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sheesh!

And He will say unto you, "Get away from me, I never knew you."

You two are not invited in my home. I've met you at the door I'm tired of talking with you please move on to someone else - there's no winning with me ...

Meet with people in order to do what?>??!??!?!<br />
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for crying outloud!

If you've read that Bible so many times ... go find it ... you should remember it. I do.<br />
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I speak down to you because you have chosen to speak down to me to begin with. I treat you as you treat me ... it's a simple equation. You treated me unChristlike therefore, I cannot begin to believe you are anything more than an indoctrinated robot.<br />
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In the future should you want to convert someone, you may want to choose those who are feable of mind and weak in spirit. I am NOT. I KNOW my Lords word. I don't need a child attempting to correct me. <br />
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And if you think that Bible of yours is a 'love letter' ... you seriously need to march on christan, march on! Don't bring your silliness here. Not to me because I won't have it. I take my faith seriously.

I do, however, find it rather amusing to have two children - literally - trying to teach ME (nearly twice their age and having studied it as long as they are old) the Bible ... <br />
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That is preposterous in and of itself! I must laugh ...

Miss Ocean, At first you apologize for your lack of education and now you tell me that at 19 you've read the Bible several times. I sincerely do not believe you. Perhaps you've read many scriptures many times that would equate to reading the Bible several times over but I doubt you've ever read the entirety of the Bible from cover to cover. Try it before you continue your un-Christlike behaviour.<br />
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You say I have no scriptural backup, you profess initially to not knowing which scripture I speak of then all of the sudden you do an about face and claim to know the exact one ... again, you do NOT know the Bible nor what the TRUE meaning of it is. You, my dear, are indoctrinated and it's past your bedtime. Again, I ask you to please dust of your shoes and move along as I will not be converted to your perverse line of thought.<br />
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Dulce, Jesus Himself says that we are to know when to dust off our feet ... Obviously you've missed that hint about the last 6 times. <br />
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I don't care that you can quote the Bible in spades to attempt proving me incorrect. You still did not answer my question about why Jesus would destroy the church if we are his church, his body, etc. ... You cannot answer that and there's a reason ... <br />
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YES!!! Jesus broke bread with many. He broke bread with sinners, YES!!! I'm not Jesus and I am doing as HE COMMANDED ME! You'd be wise to do the same.<br />
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You say you have never been taught by the church, Dulce. If this were a fact, a true pure fact you would not be 'preaching' falsely to me about forsaking the church ... <br />
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Now, again, ladies, it is time for you two to go on about your business and attempt to convert someone else. I'm not going to believe what you say. I believe God's word and His word alone ... NOT your blasphemous interpretations! You both need to dust your shoes off and move on or I will be forced to block you both as you have come to a point of stalking me with your harrassment.<br />
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Our views differ ... accept it and move forward.

Miss Ocean, I will not give you specific verses or books for ONE purpose and one purpose alone ... I HOPE with all my heart that it will cause you to READ that book, the WHOLE book searching for that very scripture ... it's in there ... just like the spaghetti sauce commercials say ... "it's in there"<br />
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Dulce, the Lord, Jesus, also said to know when to dust off your feet ... "it's in there" look it up ... <br />
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I believe you two are 'ganging' up on me (for lack of better words) trying to teach me what your church (preacher, pastor, father, etc. = fallible) wants you to believe these scriptures mean ... unfortunately, you don't know the WHOLE of the bible and therefore do not know the TRUE meaning of these scriptures and should not be twisting them in such ways...<br />
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The bible further states that we should be wary of those who 'teach' or call themselves 'teachers' (of course, referring to the holy word) and I bet you didn't realize taking God's name in vain has nothing to do with a swear word but everything to do with taking His words out of context and using them for your own agendas. And whether you realize this is what you're doing or not ... it is.<br />
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I've thrown enough pearls to swine and will no longer shed light upon your path for the truths. You must now work for it if you want it badly enough, after all, you ARE commanded to learn it and KNOW it ... I recommend that's what you get to doing, Dulce. No doubt, Miss Ocean will begin reading ... I believe that!

Maple, I failed to see your comment about your reading patterns ... I apologize and will address that now. <br />
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Reading constantly and continually through and through is something many struggle with. I certainly do. To me ... that's the evil of my ways ... my lack of determination to continue as I am commanded and ultimately I view it as my destruction ... <br />
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I hope that helps inspire you to pick it back up and continue down the road ...<br />
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Take care.

When and if there comes a time that you are educated on the matter at hand and able to debate intellectually rather than with emotion and doctrine ... at that point we can talk ... until then I suggest you further your biblical education as you have not been Christ-like in the least ... peraps you should go pray for me or whatever you're going to do.

At 19 yrs old or whatever it is, you sure do seem to have all the answers for someone who's been reading the bible for nearly as long as you are old ... that's how you come off holier than thou, miss ocean ...<br />
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I'm not offended in the least ... I realize I have offended you and for that I refuse to apologize nor will I change my mind to suit your beliefs ... and I'm not sorry about that. I have my convictions as set forth per the bible ... it's your convictions and biblical education I question ...<br />
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Re-read what I've wrote. I've quoted many scriptures without giving page numbers ... if you don't know what I'm referring to and obviously you don't since you've stated that I've not referred to the bible, you are extremely unfamiliar with the Bible and I suggest you take this time to read the Bible rather than debate with me because you will NOT win ... you just won't.<br />
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Now dust off your shoes, as per Jesus, and move along ... :-)

Yay! I'm glad you've put your foot down, else you might be forced to stay away from sinners like me :)<br />
Not that you would, with that strong head of yours.<br />
Wow, reading Oceanofyou gave me a headache, cannot really tell where they stand on the HUGELY important issue of whether to associate with Sinners or not.

That's not at all what I said, oceanofyou.<br />
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I said that we are commanded to stay away from sinners, yes ... this is PER JESUS HIMSELF! Look it up! I mean that I forsake assembly because I am commanded to - I am not to surround myself with those who believe they are holier than thou yet are sinning ...<br />
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and He will tell you, ocean and dulce, "Get away from me, I never knew you!"

Thank you, Maple ... I believe you're correct. All was fine, intellectual albeit opposing until 'Christians' came in and started throwing about dogma ... silly christians - they don't really know any better as they do follow man rather than God ... they go to a church and listen to a preacher, they refuse to forsake assembly for sake of a greater knowledge per Jesus, etc. They can't help it ...

Why did Jesus then destroy the church? Dulce, I can debate you til the very end quoting scriptures from Jesus, Jesus Himself could come down and tell you differently but you'd not change your mind ... you've been infected along with 'oceanofyou' ... <br />
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So ... go on ... go to church ... just leave me out of your hypocritical, sinning ceremonies...

So...The lesson is...Eat with sinners? Convert Sinners? Help the poor? Help change people's minds? Don't be too arrogant to spend time wqith someone you consider scum?

Lookin' forward to it, bro! And hey ... when it comes to religion ... I don't get real worked up with anyone other than christians ... tehehe

Hey Constant, Hugs and sorry for any nastiness or flaming I may have assaulted you with :)<br />
Rumor: Let me guess, it’s because we’re evil that we ‘flame’?<br />
(Joking) I'll email you regarding 'greater scheme of things' I am interested in hearing more about what this means to you.

Dulce, READ THE BIBLE before you preach to me your endoctrinated beliefs! Jesus also tells us to keep distance from those who sin ... well ... who doesn't sin?

RuMoR, i suggest you continue reading that Bible of yours from cover to cover in order and over and over! there is no such thing as "born again" ... that's not mentioned in the Bible - that's a Christian term. you are still endoctrinated and therefore, should attempt to seperate yourself from 'them' ... fact of the matter is you should be able to open the Bible up to anywhere and see a truer meaning but this is only if you are extremely familiar with it having read it for yourself repeatedly. i've not run into but 3 other people in this entire world who possess what i speak of and until you read and read and read you won't get it either. you MUST know the WHOLE of it before you even begin to understand the truer meaning rather than socially acceptable interpretations. no offense but that's how it is...

Constant: I just wanted to say Hi, I love the fact that you seem very passionate about it.. -) that and I to have read it cover to cover, before I became born again, I never got anything from it but a scrambled story before hand.<br />
Since my.. awakening, I have come to notice something.. God's word. I can open my bible up to almost any page, read a few verses and... the most amazing thing happens, I see a words between words, let me rephrase that, I can read between the lines. Does that make sense to you?<br />
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Smebro: No offence, but why do "atheists" always choose to flame first? Greater scheme of things.. do you have any idea what that means?

Constant, do you think the bible answers the question of god? Would you mind letting me know through mail or on my whiteboard what you think of that...I’m confused as to why some people point out passages as if they were the physical evidence for God, knowing your views on bible thrashers I look forward to hearing what you think.

and sidira ... how many times in your life have you read the Bible completely, all the way through from beginning to end? if you've not done this at least 3 times, you haven't a notion what to question your 'preacher' about in your Bible based church! the Bible states we are not to forsake the gathering but it also states we are to gather with those who are free of sin - good luck with that one anywhere! i bet you're a born again christian, huh?

This is why I attend a Bible Church. It's a non-denominational church founded on (shocker here) the Bible. Everything the preacher preaches must be grounded in scripture. No other bias is acceptable. I get what you're saying about pastors et al being fallible humans, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the call to gather together with other Christians to worship God and to be held accountable to one another. It simply means we should hold our pastor to high standards and never take anything anyone says for granted. We should always ask for Biblical proof and question anything we are taught.

no prob with the rowdy mood. i have those from time to time as well. don't we all? not necessarily journals but i watch the science channel, discovery channel - basically anything educational be it history, science or what have you. i also read a LOT on the net. i enjoy educating myself immensely. however, there usually comes a point shortly prior to knowing nearly everything about the given topic wherein i stop researching it. it seems i'm bored at that point or something ... no explanation for that characteristic.

I'm sorry, my bad. Especially rowdy mood last Friday.<br />
Do you read scientific journals? I find them to be especially enlightening

smebro - i was not making assumptions of your character but that of 'mankind' in general, that of preachers, priests, etc. what i was saying is that i refuse to go to church because i don't want to be taught misunderstandings of a fallible man but that i would much prefer to take it from the written word. in no way was i saying anything about you presonally...

Fallible? Sinning? I’m not going to dignify your character assumptions with a retort.<br />
I cannot tell you what to do or not do, only respect you for your decision and tell you my opinion on the same topic, I have told my version of things, it differs from yours.

i would not call it obsession, however if that's what you want to classify it as i'll work with that. i'd rather be obsessed with a written 'work' as you call it than with the words of a fallible, sinning man. i'd rather be obsessed with a written 'work' as you call it than to be without it.

Or you might become obsessed with a written work that means absolutely nothing in the greater scheme of things, and wouldn’t that be a waste of time while the atheists are running around enjoying this amazing reality for what it really is.