I think the way to god is from within yourself I think we are one with everything and the universe as a whole and I think meditation is a great way to get in touch with it
kwill754 kwill754
18-21, M
1 Response Aug 20, 2014

We are not God so getting in touch with ourselves will only be getting in contact with a faulty human being. If one wants to get in contact with God one wants to get in contact with a perfect faultless being.

This is where I really disagree but nothing will pry me away from this because of the stuff I've seen through meditation but I respect your opinion

You could have seen a lot whilst meditating. But you will not have seen God. Don't you know there are spirits that can lead people towards destruction? Do you think everything out there has your best interests at heart?

No I know that for a fact I've had some pretty terrifying meditations and seen what is describe as a demon and at that same time felt something baiting me and with a false kindness but I stayed away from it so I know but this is kinda where I realized your strong with your beliefs and I'm just gunna let you be and let you have yours whilst I have mine and I never said I seen god I see his kindness and loving and idk how to describe it it's really hard but I just know instantly it's his work and I might label his work as actually seeing him or it because I don't think god is a person but I do believe it is an entity

Well see i care for you as a fellow human being. So you will understand if i am not content to simply leave you and let you have yours whilst i have mine. What you are describing in your meditations is ""good cop bad cop"" technique.. Some demons pose as demons or what you think demons should be like and other ones dress up as angles of light and shine the love on you..

2 Corinthians 11
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Oh believe me I know that I base it off of instinct and gut feeling I've seen "angels" and had a bad feeling and just ignored them but most of the time when I see them I just get overwhelmed with a sense of wonder that's indescribable and honestly I'm not scared of going to "hell" I think it's already here look at the world today nobody cares about each other and it's all for themselves mostly politicians and the media is so controlling and brainwashing you can't trust anything you hear on the news and people are so impoverished these days if you ask me that sounds like a hell to me much worse than the flames and demons and what not

Yes i agree the world is a bad place. There is No heaven on earth, But also there is no Lake of Fire on earth. Nothing on earth is anywhere near as bad as the Lake of fire. The Lake of fire is worse because it is eternal torment. Things like corrupt politicians and wars and diseases and earthquakes and volcanic eruptions and child abuse are only temporary.

add into that all the debt the cover ups the disease the welfare the mindless violence and riots the killing the wars it can't get worse than that

Oh yes it can get worse then all that. Way worse. On this earth we experience some joy some of the time. We experience hope some of the time too. But in the Lake of fire there in so more hope just eternal torment.

I guaruntee you if you had an OBE your whole perspective would change

If God is willing He shall keep me from the great deception of the end times. Don't you know that it shall be so powerful that if it where possible the very elect would be deceived. I have no doubt you have had experiences and they would have been incredibly convincing,, But ask yourself, Is it possible, that you have been given over to delusion?

I'm not believing what I'm experiencing I'm not really thinking about it as it happens I just let it and observe it I don't think anything and I don't rationalize and if I wanted to I couldn't explain it it was very eye opening the first time I guaruntee you if you had an OBE you would definitely atleast question some things some of the stuff the bible says is so spot on it's crazy but it's not in the way people would expect it one verse where it talks about the third eye or pineal gland but kind of indirectly I'm not sure which verse it is but I could get back to you on that if you'd like?

I know about the third eye teaching and the snake thats curled up at the base of the spine that needs to come up and activate the pineal glad. But the staggering fact is that the pineal gland when activated puts people to Sleep..... to Sleep... So the actual gland turns you off and sends you into darkness, It does not awaken you and make you see more. You know the symbol of the Snake/ Serpent represents in the Bible right?

Yes i am saved and i am saved by God.

I don't know if i knew all this stuff without research. I would have known that anything that was not from God in relation to spiritual practice would be from satan. So i would have had that basic understanding. But i have had to research to get more information on things like kundalini chakras and the third eye.

Basically Indian pagan religious teaching. It has nothing to do with the teachings of God in the Bible.

It's basically a teaching that if your third eye is opened you will ascend to a higher state of being. Kind of like you will evolve into a higher state of humanity. Kind of like the Buddhist concept of reaching a state of nirvana.

In Christianity we believe God will transform up into a perfect state of being upon the resurrection. So we believe we will get changed in a twinkling of an eye and we shall be perfected. We don't need to strive to lift ourselves. God is going to lift us up in an instant.

See it's nots pagan lol and it kind of annoys me you've said that but your entitled to your belief and I'm kind of getting tired of this conversation so I'm just going to drop it and I'm not Buddhist but Buddha was a very smart man as was Jesus

I only see one teaching from religion and that's to love everybody and show everybody kindness after that to me religion is comedy for the intelligent and reality for the ignorant in my opinion

You believe in Angels and spirits kwill754. So thus you are religious. Might be different to other peoples religions but if you believe in Angels and spirits that you have met them through meditation then you are religious.

Actually That doesn't make me religious I'm not religious I'm spiritual and a lot of people confuse that with religion and it's understandable because it's similar but going to church doesn't make someone spiritual it makes them religious and meditation and finding inner peace doesn't make someone religious it makes them spiritual although religions do involve spirituality sometimes they are not the same I don't like when people try to make it like if you believe in something then you have to believe in this etc I used to when I was younger say I believed in god but not the devil they said if you believe in god you have I believe in the devil but how is that who says that's how it has to be? I don't believe in that anymore but it's just an example it's just why is everything so limiting ya know? The world is vast and wonderful so why can't are beliefs be like that idk I can't seem to find the right words to explain it so forgive me on that but what I'm trying to say is sorta like open minded ness idk lol having a really hard time with wording lol

Religion is belief in Spirits / Supernatural beings and a spirit dimension/world.. i know a lot of people don't like the word religious because they think it is pointing to people who adhere to a certain set of teachings from a religious organization with a hierarchy but that is simply organized religion , a type of religion. But all people who believe in spirits are religious.

An Open mind is an Unguarded mind. Open to all kinds of spirit influences if a person trusts in God they trust in Gods call to avoid contacting spirits. Once a person seeks to contact spirits then the spirits own that person and can play games with them and use them for their own devices. It all comes down to who you trust. Indeed when people reject the Council of God. God will send them strong delusion so that they will be vulnerable to satanic deception.

2 Thessalonians 2
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Okay I get your point but I don't agree with it at all and I'm kind of getting a little tired of this debate so I'm ending it here best wishes man stay positive :)

I am very positive :D I am saved and i have eternal life in a perfect existence with God.. Things cannot get more positive then that..

Fair enough best wishes :)

A quote that would kinda hit the point I'm trying to make but vaguely would be a parachute is just like a mind it only works when it's open

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