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Movie Warning For Children

You may already know about this, but I just learned about a kids movie coming out in December starring Nicole Kidman.  I's called The Golden Compass, and while it will be a watered down version, it is based on a series of children's books about killing God (It is the anti-Narnia).

Please follow this link, and then pass it on.  From what I understand, the hope is to get a lot of kids to see the movie - which won't seem too bad - and then get the parents to buy the books for their kids for Christmas.  The quotes from the author sum it all up.  I'm going to tell everyone about this movie.  I hope it totally bombs because we were all paying attention!

Go to this link to learn more about this movie.

"http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp"

 

Lexus Lexus 36-40, F 14 Responses Nov 13, 2007

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Better to let kids watch modern movies than read some parts of the Bible, to be honest.

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You loved the movie? For real? I thought it was butchery. The book was great though, no denying that.

Ahhh, a movie/book against religion, that should win awards. It did in my book, the books were amazing and I loved the movie.

The movie was lame, the books though, are AMAZING. I've read the whole trilogy many times over. And no, it is not the "anti-Narnia" LOL lexus. For crying out loud, it's a fantasy story, lay off.



Chovhani - I would just like to comment on this "grueling" scene you are describing where the hero is eaten by the bear. The bear and the "hero" (Lee Scoresby) are very close friends, and Lee dies in battle. The bear was not far behind him, but he arrived to late to help Lee. The bear respectfully partook of the dead man's flesh as a way to honor him and put his body to it's final use. (which was to sustain the bear as he further worked for the good cause that Lee had died for). A little unconventional? Probably. But certainly not meant to be barbaric.

They do tend to nail it often don't they...:)

My 14-year-old just came home. I mentioned we'd been discussing this. and he said something similar, and I quote "It probably won't interest the kids that can't handle it". In a nutshell. I love the succinctness of the young.

Again having not read them....I am not sure if they would hold their interest or not.



The forbidden fruits thing is sure an interesting thought!



From a parent who seriously wondered if she had lost her mind because I was limiting how much time my son spent with his nose in a book....just cant know...LOL

You are correct that that is the issue, however, there are plenty of far worse books out there in that respect. Far worse things on daytime TV. Far worse things discussed at school.



I also fully agree that there are plenty of useless parents....you have no idea how much I agree. On the other hand I'm not sure such complex and highbrow books would hold the attention of children from familes that unsophisticated/uneducated......difficult thing to express....you know what I mean.



There is another point here we haven't even touched on. This amount of negative publicity and proscriptive advice from church leaders makes it irresistible for children.......Forbidden Fruits anyone?

Speaking as a parent first; I asked that my 16 year old daughter not see it until I had. I didn’t forbid it, I merely asked that she not. She agreed…



What concerns me is this. This movie being aimed at children, once seen many will likely ask for the books. I’m remembering the begging from mine for the Harry Potter series. Which I did purchase for them.



Unsuspecting and likely unknowing parents might assume it’s another “Harry Potter”. Therefore exposing kids to things they are just not ready to deal with yet.



Before you even say it I fully realize that it is the parents responsibility to educate themselves….but…there are far too many gown up’s with kids and not enough parents in the world.



If the “parents” are that lax…I cant imagine the majority of the kids are well read or have the mental skills to handle those books as you have described them.

The movie is absolutely aimed at children, yes. I believe tha's why it was changed so much. However in Canada it has a PG guideline "for frightening scenes". This is quite reasonable.



There aren't any separations needed to be made by children watching THIS movie. Quite how they will deal with the other two remains to be seen, as the story gets much "darker" in those.



Frankly, I don't see how they will make them children's movies. They will probably alter the story/leave bits out. For example: there is one particularly gruelling scene where a hero dies and is eaten by the bear. In the story this makes perfect sense from careful narration. As a movie scene it would be quite unacceptable in a children's movie.



So, I don't personally think ANY Christian child would have ANY problem with THIS movie, and I have Christian friends who agree, and have taken their kids to see it, and thoroughly enjoyed it.



The other two are a different kettle of fish. Depends how it's done.



Now then, mental capacity to digest...etc....with regard to the books, and trying to offer a suitable age for them, very difficult to answer. Would depend on the child's intellect and maturity. Actually, seriously, this doesn't just apply to children. My 11-year-old is planning on reading it next and I have zero qualms about it. But thay's because a) he's not Christian, so there's no dilemma, and b) he's an incredibly mature and well-read child who would know what a demiurge was if you asked him.



On the other hand I can think of sensitive adults who would be quite disturbed by the 2 latter books, and possibly even the first one (the torture of the children is graphic). So there are a lot of variables.



I mentioned Lord of the Flies. I consider this to be the same "level" (and as good). Lord of the Flies is required reading in Grade 10 in Canada. Therefore I would say an intelligent 14 or 15 year old should be able to deal with the symbolism and deeper meaning, but it would depend on how sophisticated/broad his upbringing was.

Couple of qestions...



Was in fact this movie "aimed" at children?



Do you feel that if it was that children have the mental capacity to digest the points and seperations you just made?

LOL, you're in a minority. There are thousands of people who have neither read the books nor seen the movie giving advice and opinions on this:) Not a new phenomenon of course, I saw it all with Harry Potter.



The hearsay I've heard has been at the very least inaccurate, and at worst, sensationalist, worthy of tabloid headlines.



As far as I can gather Pullman's objection is dogma. Effective brainwashing of children to a point where they will happily tolerate physical abuse because they are trained to. It's no secret there have been occasions like this in earthly churches, so it only has to extrapolated into a fantasy setting, and you have a unique epic story.



While people are criticizing him, they are missing his excellent writing skills (easily in the top ten of fantasy writers alive today), but also missing an opportunity to examine the issues raised. In my opinion avoiding this is the wrong decision to make, but then it's different for non-Christians. We don't have the dilemmas in that regard that Christian parents have.

Movies rarely do live up to the book...



I have not seen this so I really dont feel I have the right to react or comment as yet.



The hearsay....has worried me.



Perhaps others have seen it and wish to comment though. I'd be open to "listen" to the discussion.

Well, it's out now, and we could have quite an interesting discussion here. I knew the books, and so I was quite surprised to hear the things being said about the film, especially from those who hadn't seen it.



In fact Golden Compass (the film) wasn't very good, but for quite different reasons. The story was changed considerably, with the religious element watered down u ntil it was all but invisible (except for one key point which WASN'T in the book - most odd) because they tried to make a children's movie. But these books are not children's books. Just because they have children in them does not make them children's books. Consider - "Lord of the Flies" has children in it!



No these are excellent books, but definitely not for children.



The things is, the anti-church stuff isn't in the first book, really. So quite why the first movie is the one that caused such an outrage I'm not sure. It certainly isn't in the movie. The second book gives more insight into the corruption of the church, but only in the third book do we see exactly what's what. Here, a demiurge angel (NOT GOD) has created the Universes in the story, and is now living in a cloud, delegating all his duties to a rather unplesant angel. The idea of killing him is rather interesting, and confirms, if nothing else, that he isn't God.



The crux of the story isn't anti-God. It's anti-corrupt church and those in charge of it. If any earthly church recognizes itself as that church, it's something of a confession.



But of course there's far more to the story than that. Now, I do understand that some people would feel uncomfortable, having spent years teaching their kids that God is good, and so is the church, finding themselves trying to explain this one. But it brings so many opportunities of discussion. The only one of my kids who was interested enough to read the trilogy is not quite 15, so plenty old enough for these discussions, and they were FASCINATING.



The movie was not anywhere near as good as the book. It lacked the layers of meaning of the book, it began with a prologue that ruined the suspense, it changed half the storyline for brevity, and it missed the last 3 chapters altogether. However the scenery, costumes and MOST of the acting and casting was top notch, so it's worth watching. But I don't like talking animals. Never have.