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Spiritual Evolution

I am not a budhist, but I do believe that our souls experience many lifetimes and any and all experiences within those lives. I believ this happens so that our souls can evolve and we can become closer to god. My understanding of god is a limitless force that pulls us towards light and love by assisting us in these lifetimes with every experience imaginable. I believe that it all happens for a reason - even the bad and seemingly insignificant stuff. We take something from all of it. I hope that others begin to believe this too and move away from the dogma that causes so much hate, fear. But I know that it too is an experience we all must know.
angrychild angrychild 31-35, F 23 Responses May 1, 2007

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If "Evolve" is the reason for everything else to happen, why Evolve ?

I mean, why be in a position that you need to evolve and get there ? By whose design ? Why make a school out of all of us, God ? LoL.

Not that these have definite answers, just a thought.

Here are just a few verses about the Word's testimony of itself.

Psalms 12
6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. (the number 7 in the bible is the number of spiritual perfection).

Psalms 33
4 For the word of the Lord is right; and all his works are done in truth.

Psalms 119
151 Thou art near, O Lord; and all thy commandments are truth.

John 17
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Romans 12
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

I John 4
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

I Peter 1
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.


Now this is how we got the bible in the below verses. All the writers of the bible had the gift of holy spirit upon them so that God could communicate with them & give them his perfect word. There are many writers of the bible, but only one author - God. No other book in the world is like that.

II Peter 1
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Galatians 1
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

I John 5
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

The true witness of God is to manifest God's power by speaking in tongues. It is one of the nine manifestations(operations) of the gift of holy spirit.


Acts 1
3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

Speaking in tongues is just one of the many infallible proofs of Jesus Christ's resurrection from the dead. Once you do it, you'll be absolutely convinced.

You are so right about the corrupted man-made religions out there. Its really a shame. They make us christians & the one true God look bad. But chalk that up to Satan. He's a great counterfeiter and the God of this world.

II Corinthians 11
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Satan's true purpose is revealed by the bible as well.

John 10
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Matthew 15
1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees (the religious leaders of the day), which were of Jerusalem, saying,

2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

This is why an accurate knowledge of the truth is so important, so we can separate truth from error & live a more abundant life.

Hosea 4
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge...

We must have the truth to walk in the light. Otherwise, we will be stumbling around in the dark our whole lives.

God has freely given us the truth so that we can walk with the answers to life. The bible does not teach us to have "blind faith", which is a contradiction of terms anyways.

You are confusing the corrupted religions of man with the bible, which are two very different things.

I Corinthians 14
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

God bless you.

Please PLEASE! stop quoting the bible AND THINK FOR YOURSELF!

ROFLMAO! In the least common denominator, there are only 2 kinds of thoughts - God's & the devil's. I choose God's thoughts. Which do you choose? A quote from a few good men: "You can't handle the truth!"

When it comes to spiritual experiences, you must be careful since you could be playing with fire. How are you going to be able to tell the difference between a counterfeit spiritual experience from the devil and and one from God without an accurate knowledge of the word of God that explains spiritual things?

However, I can share an experience I had that reflects how God worked in the situation. Since the bible says that God is a spirit, then here's my "spiritual experience".

Many many years ago, I had a job where I had a fairly nice company car. I was only to use it for work & reasonable personal use. I was not to go outside of the city(I live in a large metro area about an hour away from the beach). This was the only vehicle I had. Then one weekend, my friends wanted to go to the beach on a sunday afternoon, so I agreed & we all went to the beach in my company car.

I had just bought a brand-new swimming suit that had a zipper pocket in the front. Before we went in the water, I put my only car keys in my pocket & zipped it shut so I couldn't loose them. Then we all went out swimming & playing in waist - neck deep water that was pretty murky & you couldn't see more than an inch or two down.

By this time, it was in the evening, and one of my friends wanted to get something out of the car, so when I got up close to it, I reached for my keys, but I couldn't find them! They somehow disappeared. Then I found a hole in the corner of the pocket in my brand-new swimming trunks and realized that they had fallen out!

So there we were, in the company car where I wasn't supposed to be, it was getting late sunday, we all had to be at work the next morning, and my only car keys were out in the ocean! So instead of panicking, we all got together & prayed. Then we split up and started to feel around the bottom with our feet to try and find the keys. Like we're really going to find them in this water! They could be almost anywhere.

Then one of my friends asked God to show her where they were. He said to feel around the bottom with her hands. She was in knee-deep water at the time, and within a few seconds, she was holding up my car keys in her hands. What an incredible relief that was. We opened the car and everybody got safely home.

What you are describing can happen and has happened to christians and non Christians alike.I was saved from a mugging by what I can only describe as an angel,while walking to a bus stop at night in a deserted part of town and I certainly am not into religions of any kind and "the devil" would not have saved me from a mugging!.As far as "the truth " is concerned I trust my own life experiences and follow my intuition,I just do not blindly follow the words of a book written by men centuries ago and altered so as to suit the church for political and other reasons giving the church the upper hand and allowing the church to amass the incredible wealth they have now and the power they used to wield not so long ago,Just look at the Vatican! A lot of their church rituals have been taken from old "pagan" practices.Please do some research .

alderon - unfortunately there is not a single shred of proof anywhere that the bible is really God's word. In its current form it had been translated and changed around so many times from the original text that the true meaning of the words is no longer there. On top of that even everything about the bible was written by man. Religion is all about controlling the population through fear of being condemned if you don't follow the rules. The bible is just another tool to further that agenda. God and Mother Goddess care about good intent and unconditional loving.

Holy crap....pardon the pun

I would like to speak to this quote, in particular, if I may....

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Now, if you could define for me what was classified as a 'holy man' 2000 plus years ago, I might be able to put a little more stock into one, or even some of your passages.
However, we can only speculate.
The written word was not used by 'common folk' back in the day. Most people were of the tradesman variety. Simple folk, if you will. (Not a slight on tradesmen at all, so please, reserve your nasty comments).
There were no schools, no books accessable to us working class. I do not deny that there was the existance of written word, but only because I was not there. I'm sure there was some form of communication, be it hieroglyphics, the use of an abicus to track debits and balances and the like, but as far as the general population goes, the most common form of communication was through word of mouth.
Stories were shared around campfires. And, as we all know, like gossip, those stories tend to grow and grow. Over time, these stories are subject to misinterpretation, misunderstanding, or even something as simple as one's hope to grasp and keep the attention of an audience.
If passed around the camp fire enough times, these stories soon become legend.
I can not speculate as to the actual existance of a Jesus - The Christ, Allah, Yehoshua, or whatever other name you feel comfortable using, but, given the idea that the word "Christ" is singularly attatched to the idea of some sort of "messiah", coupled with the idea that the legend of said messiah were passed along via spoken word, as far as we know, the word Christ could just as easily mean 'carpenter'....and in Jesus the carpenter.
Maybe a carpenter once walked the earth, a simple, working class man, who, in his spare time, liked to philosophize, or perhaps he was just a really good story teller.
Either way, spirituality and religion have absolutely nothing to do with one another. Welll religion is nothing more than a form of organized government created to control the masses, spirituality - more used for the common understanding of the word - is a personal journey toward some sort of enlightenment.
Story telling around the dinner table 2 thousand years ago, could very much be likened to authoring a book in modern times. Like now, it was an art form.
Kurt Vonnegut once wrote "The arts are not a way to make a living. They are a very human way of making life more bearable."

Just something to ponder.

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That is for the most part what I believe. However to take out a step further I believe we choose what we want to experience for each lifetime and what we want to learn. Than each lifetime becomes a life contract that we agree to with God. So we end up experiencing all aspects of being a good person and a bad person. That way we can learn that we do not need the dualitythat we are currently living in.

<p>I am of the same opinion as you regarding reincarnation,we are here in this physical dimension for the growth of our soul.This dimension is where the work on our souls can be done.It is a dense, hard dimension where we are given free will.</p>

@ berangere: mystics agree with you that there is growth that can only be done here, but I can't explain why this is so. Can you give some enlightenment on this?

Also, it is my understanding that this is not the only realm with free will. Would you comment on this?

To nelladell.
In the astral planes once we have passed over,we exist in our astral bodies,we do not have to strive so much to accomplish what we now have to accomplish in our physical bodies which are opened to illnesses and other physical disabilities.We have to feed these physical bodies and clothe them, we have to work to keep a roof over our heads and food on the table,we can become slave to these physical bodies through addictions.All these experiences mean struggle and learning through the difficulties we encounter in life.In the Astral we are spirits,we do not have the impediments of the physical dimension any more. As for other dimensions where we have free will,I don't know anything about those.Please share what you know about them.

Thanks, Berangere. I only know a little, a bit from experience over there and some from what mystics have said.

From my experience – well, an example is posted here of one which proved to be something more than a hallucination and which you've probably read. The person with whom I was interacting was definitely acting from free will. I'm speaking of the young man setting out with the team of horses to an unknown destination.

And mystic knowledge, as I have been led to understand, seems to verify and enlarge on your comment about not having to strive so much on the other side. It has to do with man's acts of creation.

In this realm, a man gets a picture of a house in his mind and decides to create it. He draws plans. He arranges for a discount at a building supply. He gathers equipment. He builds, step by step and – voila! A house where there was none.

In that realm, he gets a picture of a house in his mind and decides to create it and -- voila! A house where there was none.

My idea of free will in both cases.

(What I have from yogis and from my experience is that we do have bodies there – that we choose what they will be like – and that those bodies are what we see as shadows, perhaps better than shadows (though we usually don't see them at all), but that they are as real to us in that reality as these bodies are to us in this reality.)

I agree with you ,in the Astral we only have to think about what we wish and it manifests itself,so yes there is still a certain amount of free will involved in the process of choosing.In the physical dimension we have to work a lot harder,plan and sometimes make mistakes in the process, as a learning experience.

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I know that I'm an old soul and that this is my final mission, unless I change my mind, or I just might merge with the other self in the other dimension. which I believe we do if the other self wants to merge, it can be done if one dies from their world. This happened to me. Before I had a hysterectomy, my mind was noisy with many thought patterns but non very clear. after my operation, I experienced myself sitting on the edge of the bed when a priest and nun came in and then they saw me and their eyes became very wide. they took off in a hurry. Awhile later when I got up for a walk, I asked the nurses about them, and they said no one was in the room with me besides the lady in the other bed. I realized then that something exciting was happening. Everything was quiet in my head and I felt different. I knew I was different. It wasn't until a few years later that I knew I had switched places or merge with my other self and became the person I am today. Which I really like and love. Also everyone said I was instantly different after my operation which leads me to the conclusion that we have higher self's in different time zones and worlds.

You are wise and soon. Please understand that we ARE soul. It is the body that belongs to us for a little while.

Hi I was wondering where did u get your info from!!

"u" is a letter. "you" is a word. Take just a second and hit those two extra keys. Your brain will thank you for it.

The issue and purpose for rebirth is not learning but unlearning those things we believe about ourselves that are not true. What we do is not a reflection of who we are rather who we believe we are. In that vain when our actions have negative results it reflects or misperceptions about ourself. Then we might change our perspectives. It is a process of elimination much like the scientific process it doesn't tell us what is only what isn't. Dysfunction is the nature of matter and what it is used for reflect and reviel. It was supposed to act like a school but now has become goal displaced. It is like Egypt with a Pharoah that knew not Joseph and now will not let the people go.

Reincarnation is not well understood…Rudolf Steiner may be the best also I. Swedenborg. Modern day occultist is extinct, but I’ll give you the best of it…<br />
There is only consciousness in the threw dimensional world we live in . Time is consciousness on a grand a scale and on ‘local personal time”. The impression that life exists as unconsciousness is a cultural illusion. You are either her or someplace (time-space) else. The best example is what we tell ourselves about the eight hours of sleep. Sleep is basically 8 solid hours of astral projection through a number of alternate parallel Earth (globe) lives. Entering sleep we become more or less conscious while preventing this from coming through to waking life. We are wiped clean on waking and moved around in sleep if we start becoming too aware of the dream or projection or the particular world we are in time wise. It all makes sense in a 24 hour Earth time zone way, because in the other eight hours there may be 5-10 or 100s of lives with their own time scale. Very confusing. [watch Slaughter House Five—K. Vonnegut—it’s close in many ways.]<br />
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Probably one angelic soul and one conscious soul work together as a human unit. When the Earth life becomes more highly organized with age the active pairs that constitute a human in bodily form are chosen to benefit all consciousness collectively with 1 or more different entities trading places and lives. Probably one in a 1,000 to 1 in 10,000 beings have never incarnated on Earth. This is what the Buddha meant by saying he remembered 500 lifetimes—opportunity for him to incarnate (if you can call it a him) was predicated on his innate capacity to teach mankind, for one example. There have been at least 200 lesser Buddhas and a dozen time avatars, including the Christ in Jesus the man. The take away is that there have not been enough humans on Earth prior to the last 50 years of your own life, to allow &.3 billion people to have reincarnated even ba<x>sed on an average life span of 30-35 years.<br />
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As you see the world correctly these beings rotate through your body as progressively more advanced components of your own human life…Commonly called the (personal) soul. Running out of space…Each of already has 3-5 of these alternating in our daily lives…3-5 different personas—each on a slightly different time-track than the best you that you are? Is this clear…I have to stop here—I’m so sorry. My advice party your brains out and the concept of global LOVE will grow in you faster than any other way…Life-consciousness should be like pleasure. Forget about guilt and sin and think of the 7.3 billion frequently. Something will happen about 2017 to explain our world, ghosts, the paranormal string universe and UFOs and of course to clarify religion. Alex Koda Sha: 5/30/2012

The truth is this...one size does not fit all. Every body's journey is different...just as your life here. No two are alike...you have already created one universe and it's the one you are in right now. Where you go after this life...I don't have any idea thats your life. Be good to each other and it will take care of itself. If you do figure it out it's your path and no one else's and enjoy it. My only hope is that the next life for me is a lot easier....on a lighter note ..i was drafted and not a volunteer...if it happened to you , you know what i mean :)

hello angrychild<br />
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thank you for posting this story... it helps me a little along the path.<br />
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may i ask you - what is god? what is the difference between god and the universe ( i don't mean only the known universe)?<br />
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i ask, because i have a felt sense of "something"... but to describe that "something" using human language is to limit and diminish the greatness of that "something". <br />
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with respect, from robbie.

There are only 2 great categories of life: the spiritual and the 5-senses or physical. The spiritual realm consists of only 2 parts: God's side &amp; the devil's. On God's side are God, his children[(christians) and Jesus Christ, God's son by divine conception], and angels. On the devil's side are the devil, his children, and the devil's army of devil spirits. Its extremely simple.

The universe is the physical realm that God created for the earth. God made the earth for man and God made man for himself. He wanted children that would love and glorify him. He, in turn, gives us eternal life and lots of good things.

Romans 8
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

II Peter 1
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Psalms 103
1 Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.
2 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:
3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;
4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;
5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.
6 The Lord executeth righteousness and judgment for all that are oppressed.
7 He made known his ways unto Moses, his acts unto the children of Israel.
8 The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.
9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.
10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Read the book of Ephesians if you really want to see the heart of God.

Ephesians 3
12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

This is how we can get closer to God - getting born again of God's spirit and doing his will, which is his word.

Romans 10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Obviously, there are thousands of other verses to read, but at least this is a start.

God bless you!


John 4
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

I John 1
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

I John 4
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Psalms 138
2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

hello again. am i right in understanding you to mean that jews, moslems, hindus, buddhists and those who live in areas with no contact with christianity (some still exist) are all children of the devil? also, i still see no difference between "god" and the presence of a sentient universe. for me, to commit such a greatness to the limitation of human language and concept is to diminished the greatness that willed itself into being and brought us into existence. respect, from robbie PS i forgot to mention that we even limit ourselves to the concept of "five senses" there are many more, one example is the sense of balance, in the physical and the sense of fair play, in the spiritual.

To alderon,
Sorry but you have the wrong end of the stick! You believe exactly what the church wants you to believe. They cut out reincarnation out of the bible for political reasons and to take away the people's autonomy in their own salvation and so putting the church in charge of it and so giving the power to the church and taking it away from the people.Decades of the inquisition effectively terrorises people in accepting the tenets of the church and in gradually Brainwashing most people to automatically dismiss reincarnation as a myth and accepting"HEAVEN AND HELL"which serves the church so well and which IS a myth as the truth.

Here's what the bible teaches about life after death - EP Link<br />
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Basically, reincarnation is a sly trick from Satan. Without an accurate knowledge of the truth, its very easy to fall prey to all kinds of lies, darkness, and confusion.

Especially a lie fostered by converted though the treat of death church theologians by barbaric Roman emporors that wished to use the Christian religion for their own political ambitions. Then found it necessary to eliminate any aspect of individual accountability for salvation to delude themselves and others that if they only spoke words rather than change their hearts they would go to heaven.

why then are so many "devout christians/catholics/mormons etc." not all loving and accepting? The pride in their hearts is one of the 7 so do not preach to me. I am not saying it is wrong to be what you are. I am just saying that many of the "most religious" are the farthest from the divine (god in your words). those in the most spiritual circles do not convert because that which you cannot find within you will never find without. look in your hearts and minds and souls and try not to infringe upon the free will that we have in the name of the divine. peace to you all BB

To alderon.
How do you know that what you are saying is true? the bible is not proof that what you are saying is true,the bible was written BY MEN,the so called "fathers of the church" and they wrote what suited them at the time and don't tell me they were "inspired " by god because how do you know "god" inspired them?, they were inspire by ego and a need for control which has served them well if you look at all the wealth they have accumulated through the centuries and the obscene wealth of the Vatican which incidentally teaches that "poverty is a virtue", because Christ was born in a stable! Unbelievable! And you decry people who claim to have memories of past lives which are far more believable than all the church's myths and misinformation put forward so far.

Believing in the Second Advent is believing in reincarnation... ;)

To alderon.
This is JUST want the church wants you to believe and sadly you have fallen for it!

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Yes I'm with you totally.... however the devil is in the details i guess...for example....<br />
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In the present course of my study into "this stuff" I'm undecided on role/application or not of linear time with respect to re-incarnation.<br />
I.E I have read a lot which suggests that time itself becomes increasingly irrelevant at higher dimensional octaves... and so the question begs weather or not incarnation in successive lives in our world's linear time scale is the norm....<br />
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I know that some believe that we incarnate almost immediately....others say this is only the case with very advanced beings (as the desire to do otherwise is normally irresistible),, or that some decades would normally (physically) intervene corresponding to a period of time (of hundreds of years) spent on higher planes etc. before the soul again projects down into matter...<br />
Others still say that not only it re-incarnation linear but that we are born astrologically into a position where by our charts would start where our death charts left off or that we would be born into a succession of signs (i.e going through each in turn etc)...<br />
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Still others say that we can incarnate into the past and future on successive lives.<br />
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I wonder what the truth actually is....<br />
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And also the prospect that certain people can tap into popular life memories of others by virtue of their interest or affinity with other departed souls.<br />
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I sometimes feel that time may be just a concept and I then doubt if time travel is actually possible as then time is then just a concept not a an actual force and the reason for time dilation with respect to dimensional levels would then be due to the rate of vibration increasing as one ascends or descends vibrationally.<br />
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But this can not be the whole truth as if god is a singularity (which is obvious) then all possible futures from this point on (encompassing all the free will decisions we could all make) would be present in potential in the infinite ocean of possibilities. Which suggests parallel universes (an infinite number) might exist... in which case time travel is then totally possible.<br />
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I'm simply not smart enough to wrap me head around the corners this line of thought is leading me LOL.

hello armchairoccultist. thank you for posting this. i got lost in your clever words... yet they re-affirmed my lack of understanding - in a positive way, reminding me i have so much more to learn. my contribution - i have a felt sense that time is not linear and therefore reincarnation is also not linear (it may even be parallel... and that is a difficult concept for me). i struggle to understand, almost grasp it.... then collapse in a soggy heap with a brain made of overboiled cabbage leaves..... with respect, from robbie.

don't sell yourself down... a few big words does not hide that I am no more across it than you are... but like you I like to think about such things...good luck...
And parallel yeah some concepts are hard to visualize from our perspective thats for sure

Not really.But thinking of infinate possibilities will only confuse you. It's like trying to catch a bucket full of marbles someone throws at you. There is a place to start and it's at the simplest none linear concept.There is a foundational principle for existance and identity. It's as simple as one-two-three. Really! When you can comprehend that one and one can equal three then that the first step to understanding infinity.

Reincarnation itself only carries the illusion of being non-linear. It is powered by the principles of matter and time. And both are linear. Reincarnation or is a coping mechanism and like other coping mechanisms has the potential to become selfperpetuating. Think time is sequential how much more linear can you get. Cause and effect are a reaction to imbalance much like gavity is. All aspects of the same forces that are a resulting reaction to imbalance. Again it goes back to one- two- three. Those that think linear can only comprehend one and two but not three. The third concept is what connects one and two-- beginning and end and the result is infinity.

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http://www.americanchristiansociety.com/beliefs<br />
this site talkes about taking million of lifetimes to become one with God

For some souls it is what it may take,you can only become one with God when you are a totally evolved soul,like is drawn to like,a soul not evolved enough would not be able to understand God.Sadly men on this earth drag God down to their own level and the "god" of the church is nothing more than a vengeful, judgemental and narcissistic man!

I could not have worded it better myself, I have been lucky that I have been regressed 32 times, which was not all of my past lives, I was never anyone famous, but I know that I am a very old soul, I plan to complete my inner spirits mission and hopefully not come back. As I believe, we come to earth to evolve spiritually and it is the hardest place to face trials and hurdles, but we grow everytime we pass these trials. Sometimes I gain so much wisdom in a short period of time it is shocking and then as most I get caught up for a time in not knowing what I should do and I think the answer pretty much is to get out of my own way (my human conscious interference getting in the way) I am learning that when I try to work my human will, it doesnt satisfy like living the will of my spirit if I let her speak to me.

You put it across very well!

A person after my own heart... thank you for writing this!

Journey of Souls changed my life too!

I agree with all of your comments, and the original post. I know that I myself have had several lives. According to some we can have several hundred. What I find the most interesting about all of this, is that souls are breaking their necks to get to Earth at this time, and to live on this planet at this time is considered a very high honor. <br />
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Loddenview,<br />
I believe you are very right. We do map out all things in our lives, ie, our family, children, life path, all these things before we are born. Its amazing to be finding ppl who shares similar beliefs as I do, though we have never met! Amazing how our world is so rapidly changing.

I believe the way you do,I think that the people we are close to in this life are the people we close to in our other lives.

When we dapart from our bodies(die) the soul go'es to a place many people call heaven,its a place where we learn from our previous life(s) when we were here.<br />
We then learn to be better,the soul doe's remember things that happened in you life,its like a film or dvd,the only difference is that its about your life that you just left.<br />
When you are ready to come back( Reincarnated)You have already learned about the family that you are going to be born in,and that is why a lot of people know that they have been here before,myself included!<br />
I don't believe in God(I used to go to Sunday School etc,But I Know that there is something more powerful that is guilding us.<br />
Check out my profile if you want to read my TRUE stories,about things that I know,and I am not the only person that have stories that are true,there are many people that Know that they have been here before!!<br />
Thanks For Reading My Comments

I fully agree with you.
This is what happens after death &amp; this is reincarnation.

The misuse of human ideas abaout god has caused far to much alienation, loss, hate and death!<br />
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You may be iterested in my writing titled "How Many Gods of Peace?" As a person who studied religion and history for years, and who planned at one time to be clergy, and then decidied instead to not join a religion, I tried to be faithful to what I know from carefully studied material. <br />
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Essentially, I ended up believing al that you said but reserve judgement about wether or not we recycyle in different lives. <br />
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I enjoyed your comments!<br />
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You should read the book Journey of Souls by Michael Newton.. That book changed my life.. its explains everything...

Me too. Dogma is the longest virus to ever infect the human race.