Satan's Promise

"Remember when Your Lord said to the angels: Truly I am going to create man from clay." So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him soul created by Me, then you (angels) fall down prostrate to him. So the angels prostrated themselves all of them, but Iblis (ancestor of satan), he was proud and was one of the disbelievers. God said: O Iblis! What prevents you from prostrating yourself to one whom I have created with Both My Hands. Are you too proud or are you one of the high exalted? Iblis said: I am better than he, You created me from fire, and You created him from clay. God said: Then get out of here(the Heavens), for verily, you are outcast! And verily My curse is on you till the Day of Recompense. Iblis said: My Lord! Give me then respite till the Day the dead are resurrected. God said: Verily! You are of those allowed respite- Till the day of the time appointed. Iblis said: By Your Might, then I will surely mislead them all - except your chosen slaves amongst them. God said: The truth is and the Truth I say - That I will fill Hell with you and those of them (mankind) that follow you, together. (Koran, Chapter Sad, v.71-85)
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4 Responses Jun 6, 2007

I don't think I need to respond to the first two conversations as It does not seem like my input is solicited, but I am interested in finding out about the content as well. Do keep us updated.<br />
For Neotone, to answer your question: The Prophet Muhammad teach the message of the Qur'an, which is believed to be God's. The Qu'ran mentions some people who are destined for hell "abadan" which today linguistically means forever and ever. Still, who are we to equate our "forever" (which could be just a few minutes for an impatient person), or our more scientific "infinity" (which could also infer a state of not knowing the exact extent of time, or expanse of space) with God's exact calculation of time for "abadan".<br />
It all comes down to one single phrase in Islam: "And God knows best..."<br />
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Sinners in Islam are not destined to the same level of hell and the same timing for hell. But people who enter Paradise after the Judgement Day is informed by the Qur'an that they will be there for eternity. Some sinners will be forgiven and will enter Paradise later, as well. God is Merciful.

That is interesting. That actually is in line with my own beliefs. Fascinating.

Yup, God is fascinating...why do I busy myself thinking of other things lately?

Question. Did Muhammad teach infinite hell?<br />
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I don't believe in infinite hell. I believe that God loves people, and wouldn't do that to them. To claim that humans can do that to themselves seems to claim that humans are more powerful than God. So I don't believe in infinite hell (though hell may last so long that it SEEMS like forever).

" Especially when it wasn't possible to have read....,,," is not exactly true..there is a time line and a maybe..<br />
Earlier versions of the Popul Vou were written just after the start of the first time cycle..<br />
I am in my home south and my stuff on this in at the north house.. But the only date I remember is the end of the Second (time) cycle which was Aug 11 3114 BC.. so the end of the First cycle would have been about 8230 that makes it even older if written just after the start of the first cycle.. so add some 6 or 7000 years.. and throws it into the maybe...<br />
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Which is in the work of James Churchward that I have mentioned before.......<br />
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I didn't know this part of "creation" was in the Qur'an...<br />
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My interest is the statement about making man from clay... which is also in the Bible..of course.<br />
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What has interest me about this is that in a much earlier book that also speak of this time in creation.. has been banned for many yeras until fairly recently..<br />
When the Europeans can to the new world the monk were shown the books used by the locals.. The entire book read as if it had been translated from the Bible to the point that the monks had them all gathered and burned. Two copies survived and one was the translated into French which is the version available now... the Popul Vou (Book of the people)