Hardline Anti-feminists Guilty Of Ms. Qouting Christina Hoff Sommers; Catherine Mackinnon




Faux Quote

Compare victims' reports of rape with women's reports of sex. They look a lot alike....[T]he major distinction between intercourse (normal) and rape (abnormal) is that the normal happens so often that one cannot get anyone to see anything wrong with it”  Catherine MacKinnon, quoted in Christina Hoff Sommers, "Hard-Line Feminists Guilty of Ms.-Representation," Wall Street Journal, November 7, 1991.
 
 
Actual quote

Compare victims' reports of rape with women's reports of sex. They look a lot alike. (link to study 69) Compare victims’ reports of rape with what *********** says is sex. They look a lot alike. (link to same study 69) IN THIS LIGHT, the major distinction between intercourse (normal) and rape (abnormal) is that the normal happens so often that one cannot get anyone to see anything wrong with it, which also mean that anything sexual that happens often and one cannot get anyone to consider wrong is intercourse, not rape, no matter what was done. The distinctions that purport to divide this territory look more like the ideological supports for normalizing the usual male abuse of women as “sexuality” through authoritatively pretending that whatever is exposed of it is deviant. This may have something to do with the conviction rate in rape cases (making all those unconvicted men into normal men and all those acts into sex). It may have something to do with the fact that most convicted rapists and many observers find rape convictions incomprehensible. (link to different study 70) And the fact that marital rape is considered by many to be a contradiction in terms. (“but you if you can’t rape your wife, who can you rape?”)(71)
And with the fact that so many rape victims have trouble with sex afterword.

 
From:
Catharine A MacKinnon,  Toward A Feminist Theory Of The State, pgs 146-147



Vivagalore Vivagalore
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6 Responses Jan 15, 2013

The authentic qoutes actually a pretty good observation.

I once heard another quote that said basically the same thing: the difference between rape and seduction is essentially salesmanship

Catherine is talking about things like date rape being not considered rape... I think that has little to do with salesmanship. It has to do with perceptions and how they effect what we as a society view as rape, there is a clear bias to only viewing violent rape committed by strangers in dark alleys against good girls as actual rape.

Haha, yeah, the fairy tale sort of rape.
Yes i agree, by definition rape is far further reaching then the classic scene of a damsel in distress being violently penetrated by a cliche rapist in the wee hours of the morning.
What i find similar about the qoutes however is that both are saying we are in influenced in our recognition of rape by an outside force..you call it 'society' this other man calls it 'salesmanship' i think it would be most accurate to call it social skill, but it boils down to the idea that in reality rape and sex are often pretty much the same. The one difference being one or all of the participants reaction to it.


Of course i realize the main point you were making was that so and so messed up so and Jo's qoute

So if im too far off topic dont mind me ;)

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Thanks for taking the time to post write ups like this!

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She really does Reporter. We have too few people who aspire to make the world a better place, so I am very thankful for Ambie.

Its always good to see the whole story.

Thank you Ambi. I must say you inspired Lowrider to do a really exceptional piece on this same topic. You are the quintessential advocate in all respects. I am borrowing a link to this as well. Pieces like this need wide exposure!

ditto on what ec said. all of it.