Stop the Bnp

I've flagged the group, along with explaining a bit more what this person's replies to my story are about. Horrible, stiteful, disgusting, they contaminate the place.



Mizz

Rhino, I am sorry you were attacked, but this had nothing to do with anyone's religion.



As for your so-called argunment, well, where do I begin. I am the one feeling patronised. You have not acknowledhed any points I addressed, I don't know if you've looked at their views regarding the holocaust, the disabled, homosexuality. I know someone who was killed by a white, nominally Christian man in his mid-20's a few months ago. Take a look at this webpage for a counter to your views on Muslims and rape: http://www.submission.org/women/rape.html

If you can't be bothered, which I rather suspect is the case, I'll pick something out for you:



God strongly condemns the oppression element of rape in the strongest possible language. God, in the Quran, describes oppression as "worse than murder." This puts rape among the worst crimes committed by a human being in the sight of God.



[2:191] …….. OPPRESSION is worse than murder. See also, [2:217]



God in the Quran also did not save the words to condemn prostitution, especially when oppression and forcing the young girls is a factor and this makes it different than a prostitution practiced by consenting adults, and it would place it in the category of rape. Of course both kinds are condemned but adding the oppression factor changes its nature into a rape with its consequence of higher need for a stronger punishment.



[24:33] ……..You shall not force your girls to commit prostitution, seeking the materials of this world, if they wish to be chaste. If anyone forces them, then GOD, seeing that they are forced, is Forgiver, Merciful.



From the above Quranic position we see that Rape is one of the hideous crimes and one of the worst in the sight of God. It is considered a complicated crime that involves violence, oppression and sex.



Elsewhere on EP, I have written about how rape is used in war, as a deliberate military strategy, as a way for attackers to perpetuate their social control and redraw ethnic boundaries, what about the rape, murder and torture of anything between 20,000-50,000 Muslim mwomen and men in Bosnia by Serbian forces in the 1990's? Take a look at this BBC News webpage, for an overview of what I've said about rape as a means of control in war zones:



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4078677.stm



The fact is, these heinous crimes are carried out by people of all walks of life, believers and non-believers. The Nazi's, who believed in a sick, bastardised version od Darwinian science, used comfort women, who they raped with impunity.



I have worked with Muslim people who have had to flee persecution and horrific violence, including rape. Your argument is fatuous, and is very, very, sad.



Mizz



Also, why have put a block on me at least being able to see your profile.

well, how sad that this has been posted on here. If you are aware of the BNP then you would also know that they hate ALL ethnic minorities, not just muslims. They are also against people with learning disabilities because they are not perfect. When you say VOTE BNP, then I guess you support that.



Nick Griffin has denied the holocaust, all those innocent Jewish people who were slaughtered by the Nazis (who the BNP idolize) and their families must have imagined it I suppose, you say VOTE BNP, I guess that you also support that.



How sad that there are still people who support hatred and violence. I pity you.

You're welcome, Darlene:)



Part of the appeal for me of EP is that we can exchange ideas and experiences from all walks of life. By exchanging experiences and knowledge of what's going on elsewhere, we can challenge and fight bigotry.



Mizz

"Defend Rights for Whites"? I don't live in the UK but this is obscene. I was shocked when I read it. Thanks for opening my eyes to what is going on in other parts of the world.

Thanks rhino and lou for your comments.



Rhino, in my story, I implored people not to vote for the BNP, thus using the democratic process. This is in stark contrast to the BNP: the BNP believes in “a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan, ‘Defend Rights for Whites’, with well-directed boots and fists.” They also have very strong links with the English (and Welsh) Defence League, who, over the course of the summer, have been beating with impunity

those who don't believe in white superiority. I've wriitten

elsewhere about their views on the Holocaust, their virulent anti-semitism and Islamaphobia, and their views on the severely disabled. It's there in the public domain if you want to seek it out. My hatred of all racism and all forms of prejudice is a hatred of their hatred. It is not the same, pure and simple, and I'm very sorry if you can't see that. Just look at what has happened over the centuries, rhino. What question are you offended by exactl? My original post or the group name? All of us do detest racism, as everyone should. I despise racism and racusts and bigots of any kind, because they hate other people.



Lou, thank you, I, of course, completely agree with what you say, and cheers for the salute and, believe me, I will keep going!



Mizz

I do not agree with this last statement, I am afraid that you cannot compare this discussion with the hatred that the BNP hold for ethnic minorities in Britain. I would like to ask if you have ever been at the receiving end of discrimination? It is not nice and should not exist in this day and age against any group, not just ethnic minorities.



We need people to stand up against the BNP, and highlight exactly what they stand for, believe me the BNP are not interested in democracy only hatred and division.



You go Mizz! I salute you!

I am offended with this question- as we are meant to live in a democracy. Your hatred is as bad as theirs- you are no better.

it's a tricky one, thehippy, part of me still thinks that as well, but I decided to post because I just felt that I wanted to urge anybody who lives in England to make sure they don't get in, by any means, because I know in one or two areas theyre too close for comfort...voter apathy and disaffection can sometimes let these things happen, and there's certainly loads to be disaffected about at the moment...



MIzz

ive got to admit though....that when i saw bnp on some stories here like your own...i was kind of angered that other people are giving them publicity too...regardless of whether its good or bad...its publicity in my eyes...they should be ignored and not given anything more than they deserve...which is nothing.

It makes me so angry that this filth drops through my letter box. I've sent my leaflet back to them with a nice little message! Actually, I think it might be an idea for others to send them back as well (it's a freepost address). The thing is, each time it would cost them postage, ergo less money for them to spend on their poisonous messages.



I also noticed in the newspaper that Nick Griifin bragged that he doesn't mind breaking race laws, and that he put a £5,000 donation in his own account, where of course it was just 'resting' on its way to another organisation.!



Lastly, it also disturbs me that they are getting so many party election broadcast slots!! Sign of the times, sadly.



Mizz

grrr last week i was talking on my doorstep to my neighbour and i looked on our communal sideboard ...and noticed a bnp leaflet..without saying anything i picked the two leaflets up screwed them into a ball threw it up into the air and gave it a swift kick out the door. My neighbour started laughing and said what was that i said a bnp leaflet...and i said what annoys me is that they probably got the black/asian workers at the post office to deliver it!. I said that in jest and i have since found out it is true and that some workers have actually refused to post them...what a liberty.

Yes, it's pathetic, isn't it! They trip themselves up every time. I don't know if you saw 'Have I Got news for You' last Friday, when they showed a clip from 'Young BNP'. That puppet was both sinister and absolutely laughable at the same time! I was actually quite offended that their literature has dropped through my letter box. I have wriiten a nice little mesaage for them and sent it back to them!



Thank you britbear



Mizz

Mizz, I totally aggree. and lets hope they keep showing themselves for the racist idiots they.
I had to laugh at their "British jobs for British workers" posters & billboards with AMERICAN & EUROPEAN models or their news letter with a picture of a Spitfire to show British pride.
I love the fact that the plane came from a POLISH unit XD.