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Why Is This Even A Group?


Vivagalore Vivagalore 31-35, F 6 Responses Jan 23, 2013

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As general reference... Heterophobia is NOT a word.

"Why is this even a group?" was being directed at the fact that it does not exist, it was made up. I believe that is the point that was brought up. At least that was my take on it.

The term "heterophobia" was squished together by LGBT rights opponents, (In essence, the hetero people.), to give a name to 'reverse discrimination' or 'negative attitudes' towards the heterosexuals. It has not made it into the dictionary, standard or medical.

Exactly

Opponents to LGBT rights are not the exclusive users of "heterophobia". Prominent British LGBT rights activist Peter Tatchell has been quoted by the BBC as using the word off-handedly to criticize that UK civil unions were designed as the homosexual non-marriage counterpart to heterosexual-only marriage, thereby excluding opposite-sex couples from entering into civil unions.[117]

Stephen M. White and Louis R. Franzini introduced the related term of "heteronegativism" to refer to the considerable range of negative feelings that some gay individuals may hold and express toward heterosexuals. This term is preferred to "heterophobia" because it does not imply extreme or irrational fear.[118]

Shall I change the word for you?

SunniL.....how can you know what someone else meant? There are factual cases of anti straight discrimination by gays. Are you trying to say that discrimination does not exist?

Not discrimination....just a comment. Calm down. Whether the word is recognised by you or not it does have a clear meaning. It wasn't squished together by homophobes like you suggest.

WOW guy, back your choo choo up. I gave facts and NOT ONE OPINION, except on how I felt Dente meant her post. The word 'heterophobia' itself is NOT a WORD... That was all I was stating and that is exactly HOW I took Dente's story.
Dente then commented "Exactly" Meaning I was correct.
SO WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR PROBLEM?

Let me address your statements to me though.

Just because you know how to do a Google search and tell me about someone who used it and then BBC used his quote, means nothing to me. I was stating that the word in of itself is NOT a recognized word in the dictionary or for that matter in the medical dictionary.

White and Franzini use quotations within their article for the non-recognized words. To establish if they proved their hypotheses, you will have to wade through the pages of correlated statistics and information within the original master's thesis they wrote that article from.

I know discrimination exists in all kinds of forms. I never hinted or suggested otherwise. Again, I was pointing out how I viewed Dente's story - NOTHING ELSE. So, getting snide with me was an act of, well, discrimination on your part.

I deleted my original post to fix a grammar error, so the order of comments got screwed... :P Oops!

"Not discrimination....just a comment. Calm down. Whether the word is recognised by you or not it does have a clear meaning. It wasn't squished together by homophobes like you suggest."

That should actually be in between my two comments here. Sorry for confusing anyone!


As for "It wasn't squished together by homophobes like you suggest."

It was "coined" by the LGBT opponents in print in the early 90's...

"coined" means: create, invent

Coined doesn't mean that here in the uk. You "coin" a word or a phrase by using it, although it already exists.

This is where UK English and American English clash into each other to bring in miscommunication
In the context that it is being used... it means create or invent.

@sunni, mike is good at making stuff up. The term 'coin a phrase' originated in UK during elisabethian times and has always meant 'to invent or create' it has never been used except maybe by mike and the like mike cabal to mean 'using a new phrase'...


I'm sure if mike wasn't so oppressed by homosexuals he would have access to a dictionary ...however seeing as he is clearly so oppressed lets allow him his ignorance concerning the definitions of actual words.

Wow....you are allowing your views to obscure the truth here. You are wrong about coining a phrase. Coining was seen as the act of making money out of an existing phrase, ie making coin (money). That does not mean to invent a new phrase. Where did I say it meant "using a new phrase" ? Don't quote me by using your own words, that makes you look silly.

" You "coin" a word or a phrase by using it, although it already exists." <-------- is this what you said?

If so then

mike is good at making stuff up. The term 'coin a phrase' originated in UK during elisabethian times and has always meant 'to invent or create' it has never been used except maybe by mike and the like mike cabal to mean 'using a new phrase'... I just wanna add that mike can't see that this is the same thing as saying ___ "You "coin" a word or a phrase by using it, although it already exists"____

Can you actually read?

Yes mike and guess what I also comprehend .... something you apparently are too oppressed to do

"To coin a phrase ( or a term) is to invent a figure of speech. Finley Peter Dunne was the first person to call a left-handed pitcher a "southpaw," and so he is said to have coined the term. " wiki answers uk

You just edited your answer to remove your misquote......how sad is that?

Who is the "like mike cabal" you are talking about? I don't need supporters to speak for myself.

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/coin_6

to use a word or phrase that no one has used before

To invent or create, by definition, cannot mean to use something that already exists.

it can be used HUMOROUSLY to before a over used word ... like "to coin a phrase I was gobsmacked"..... but, it's being used humoursly ...as in ironic... as in the phrase is clearly not being invented by me and everyone everywhere is over using this word... please mike do try harder

*too

"The term "heterophobia" was squished together by LGBT rights opponents, (In essence, the hetero people)."
Uh? Reading this, it sounds like you're saying LGBT rights opponents = hetero people. Not all hetero people are LGBT rights opponents. Only some are.

Dente.....semantics won't help you. Give it up. Your views are so extreme they make you look silly.

@TheFoxKit. You are asking to be rebuked here. Dente is a woman with a bee in her bonnet, to coin a phrase.

I'm just pointing out that the sentence could be misunderstood. And funnily enough, you seem to be the one with a bee in your bonnet around here.

http://i.imgur.com/7Amv09p.png

it is from the wiki article

^^ EXACTLY.

The sentence, like anything else, could of course be understood. My original story is about heterophobia. Dente refuses to accept this a valid group. I will defend my story from attack. I am not attacking anyone here. Gay discrimination to straight people is a real thing, not a made up concept. Imagine if I said homophobia was made up.....

yes I have no bee in my bonnet. I also don't think it is extreme to not believe that heterosexuals do not receive true discrimination because of their heterosexuality and so it is dismissive and offensive when people throw a non-existent word like heterophobia around especially knowing what the term heterophobia really means and where it comes from.

@kit yes the sentence could be misunderstood. fair point.

@mikey mikemcneil
"Coined doesn't mean that here in the uk. You "coin" a word or a phrase by using it, although it already exists."


did you not start the "semantics game" ???

Are you suggesting that only YOU are allowed to play the semantics game?

Did you even read the link, Mike? Especially the bit that said, " just another of the many me-too social constructions that have arisen in the pseudoscience of victimology in recent decades" and "Others look at the parallelism between heterophobia and homophobia, and suggest that the former trivializes the latter."

I do think those statements are rather accurate.

I once told a gay guy that I liked going to gay bars and he reacted negatively, saying "We just want to be left alone". That was ONE guy. Other gays I've talked to showed no such negativism.
However, I have met lots of heterosexual people insulting gays and openly despising them. There is, to this day, A LOT MORE discrimination against gays than against straights. Therefore, talking about "heterophobia" is an exaggeration and does indeed belittle what gays are experiencing in terms of discrimination.

"Therefore, talking about "heterophobia" is an exaggeration and does indeed belittle what gays are experiencing in terms of discrimination"


so much this.... ^^^^^^^^^^^^


thanks kit

I am not homophobic. I of course acknowledge that homophobia exists and is a serious problem. I don't see how gay ghettos help to resolve that problem. I find the awkward and uneasy alliance evident in the LBGT movement to be divisive and unhelpful in creating a better society. Gays can of course use the justification that they are constantly oppressed by all heterosexuals, but this is clearly not true.

Who do you think caused the creation of "gay ghettos"? The gays themselves, or a predominantly society that has rejected them for centuries? "Gay ghettos" have little to do with "heterophobia" and a lot to do with homophobia.

So heterophobia is a justified response to homophobia? Two wrongs making a right?

That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying gays ended up creating "gay bars" and "gay culture" because mainstream culture didn't accept them. This is not heterophobia UNLESS they'd bar access to that culture to straight people. But as far as I know, most do not. Straight people can and do go to gay bars and gay marches, for instance.

there is no heterophobia stop asking people to live in your make believery world. THERE ARE NO HETEROGHETTOS...

Homosexuals are not oppressing you because of your heterosexuality Mike.

WHAT DENTE SAID.

So it was a response to mainstream culture? How does rejection of mainstream culture help their chances of ever being equal in society?

If you preface anything with the word "gay" it is separatist....gay marriage, gay bars, gay music, gay whatever.

Dear Mike,

They are not there by choice. They are there by force.

Mike can you please confirm http://i.imgur.com/Np2OrQS.jpg <---- are you actually a homeowner

*rolls eyes*

Clearly you aren't reading what we're writing. Most gays don't reject mainstream culture; it's the other way around. Homosexuals have been rejected by mainstream culture for centuries.
The fact that they have created a sub-culture does not make them heterophobic. There are lots of subcultures in society. I am a geek. I am part of the geek sub-culture. That doesn't mean I reject mainstream society, it just means I enjoy hanging out with similar-minded people. And I also hang out with non-geeks.

Geez.

Where have I personally complained about being opressed? I dislike heterophobics. I don't hate gays.

the jews were not discriminating against the Nazis by living in ghettos

"If you preface anything with the word "gay" it is separatist...."

WTF? That doesn't even make sense. Does me refering to Comic-Con as a geek event make it separatist? Erm, no. It just means it relates to geeky people.
Gay used as an adjective just means it relates to gay people. It's doesn't denote sepratism, unless YOU want to separate yourself from them.

" It's doesn't denote sepratism, unless YOU want to separate yourself from them."

EXACTLY !!!!!

*separatism. Damn typo.

OMG! I go to sleep and wake up to an explosion...
Hey Fox, I did want to answer your question to me though...

Fox posted this:
"The term "heterophobia" was squished together by LGBT rights opponents, (In essence, the hetero people)."
Uh? Reading this, it sounds like you're saying LGBT rights opponents = hetero people. Not all hetero people are LGBT rights opponents. Only some are.

My response:
Not by any means did I mean that. This is what I meant: "One that has or shows an abundance of a quality as if highly concentrated." Meaning that it is mostly hetero people that are the opponents of the LGBT rights community. Not all hetero's, just the ones against the LGBT community.

Otherwise it would be like a Caucasian person saying: All whites are in the KKK...

I am white, not in the KKK, and have no problem with the LGBT community. As a matter of fact, I support them. I have some awesome friends that are part of the LGBT community. I can't imagine what I would miss out on if they were not my friends just because of their sexual orientation!

*face palm*

You ever have one of those moments where you just go: OMFG! DUH!

Oh ya, I just had one of those...

Why? Well...
I went to see who actually created this group...
Guess I missed that one somewhere, now didn't I?

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i guess im a bit of a heterophobe only because im jealous, if i were a boy, my gf's family wouldn't have a problem with me, people wouldn't give us weird looks and ask us strange questions and treat us like freaks if we were a straight couple. and also, when there are groups out there who say they support gays but have no gays in them, and no contact with them, i do get defensive because it's out battle, i know we need allies, but don't cry for us because you don't feel our pain. and yes, we like/deserve our privacy, we should be allowed some areas that we can keep sacred and safe. so dont hate the heterophobes, hate the homophobes who made us what we are.

I understand the desire for safe places, I even understand the argument for having them. I must say though that history shows us that segregation is not beneficial to either party and usually results in resentment, misunderstanding and hatred. It should not have to be like that but, often that is the result. I think explaining to heterosexuals in a non-confrontational way why you feel the need for a safe space is an important factor that if done properly will explain why you desire the isolation.

I also think while the space is needed now it is important to work to make that need no longer exist.

"don't hate the heterophobes, hate the homophobes who made us what we are"

How one-sided an attitude is that?

Although I haven't experienced homophobia, I have experienced judgment and discrimination for other reasons. Besides, I have many gay friends. So even though I am mostly straight, I support gay rights... "Don't cry for us because you can't feel our pain". I don't agree. there is such a thing as human empathy. I can be empathetic to anyone who suffers even if I haven't endure exactly the same pain...

LMAO

In general, I don't think society discriminates against hetrosexuals but I have been discriminated against on odd occasions by gays themselves. I used to frequent a gay pub with some other straight friends only because the food was so delicious but I got really poor service. At first I just thought it was coincidental until I was out-rightly told that I didn't belong there. People are people. There are all types and even homosexuals can be rude and insensitive.

Exactly my point.....so if you run a closed shop you can't whinge on about how society doesn't treat you fairly. There are bigots everywhere regardless of sexuality.

@ lagatta I don't consider isolate instances of bad behavior as discrimination.

That sucks they treated you like that. They of all people should know better :(

So how do you know that was isolated? It's more likely they say that sort of thing to all the straights, isn't it?

Bad behavior exists everywhere from all groups of people. But I was really humiliated that day!!

Lagatta I'm sorry they should not have done that to you. It's sad when people forget that above all else we are humans and should be treated with empathy... It's unfortunate for you but, the real loss is theirs as they are missing out on building needed bridges and preemptively burning them! Plus you are an amazing person and they will never get to know that.

Aww.....thanks Dente! :) I used to live in a very gay part of town and as such frequented many gay establishments and this is the only one I had any problems with.

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Why shouldn't it be a group? There are plenty of groups about homophobia!

So because homophobia exists you feel the need to make up a reverse ?

I didn't make it up.....homosexuals did. Like I just said, can I go a Gay Pride march are is that out of bounds to straights?

Lots of heterosexual couples go to gay pride parades.

Are you as a heterosexual unable to marry someone of the opposite sex?

Thats not a homophobic thing, is it? You are able to marry a person of the opposite sex too, so you have exactly the same right as me. Can I marry a straight guy?....erm, no.

Cutie pie I am saying homophobia is demonstrated through institutional discrimination, like same sex couples not being able to get married, to attend and fully particpate in church.... see the difference?

So take it up with the institutions. Which church would you like to go to?

I'm not a homosexual. I'm also not interested in church.

I'm giving you examples.

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Heterophobia is a bit like misandry: "wait, what? that's even a word?". ;-)

pretty much ... when your "discrimination" is made up, I guess you have to make up a word for it as well!

I sometimes fantasize about discriminating straight people the way they would do if I'd have a girlfriend.
Something like: breaking up a kissing couple, call them breeders and tell them how their filthy sex is the cause for overpopulation in this world. :-p

DON'T WORRY, I'M ONLY JOKING!

Some gay people are not joking when they say things like that.....

I had a male gay acquaintance tell me it was unnatural to be straight. He thought women were gross and couldn't ever imagine having sex with one. lol Ignorance doesnt discriminate! You can be white, black, poor, rich, gay or straight. lol Having said that I have met some pretty awesome gay people too. They are all individual.

One instance of bad behavior isn't discrimination.

Stop apologising for every nasty gay.....it just makes you look silly. You obviously don't want equality at all.

I think what Dente is trying to say (or at least I am) is there there are nasty people in all sorts of groups. But as a society I wouldn't say heterosexuals are discriminated against. I don't think we have less rights than them.

It doesn't have to institutionalised heterophobia to be real. I share your view exactly, but I got comments on here saying it was made up.

Yes lagatta I'm saying bad people exist, so there will be bad people in all cross sections of society... Gay, straight, man, woman, every race ect... But homophobia is a institutional and historical discrimination so labeling singular or isolated events of ignorance against heterosexuals as "heterophobia" seems demeaning and disrespectful to a real struggle.

I'm not excusing the bad behaviors, I'm merely suggesting that the opposite or reverse of homophobia doesn't exist.

You are just ignoring the fact that heterophobia does exist, and justifying it because in your opinion homophobia is real and does exist. That's not a balanced argument.

Your argument doesn't even exist.

That would be your opinion, not a fact.

And that's your opinion... When your done being oppressed by homosexuals maybe you can provide some evidence of true heterophobia existing

"breaking up a kissing couple, call them breeders and tell them how their filthy sex is the cause for overpopulation in this world"

Best line ever. lol

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