Great Demonstration Of A Loving, Caring God

He was in the garden on a ladder taking off a bough from a tree.
She was inside watching a recording of a television show.
Bough fell off tree striking him on the head.
He fell backwards off ladder
........ into the garden pond
At the end of TV programme she wondered where her husband was.
She found him lifeless in the garden pond.
She called emergency services and neighbour for help.
Neighbour suffered heart attack trying to pull victim from pond
Was it the paramedics that enabled to neighbour to survive the heart attack or should we thank the Christian God for allowing a miracle?
Sadly the lifeless person could not be resuscitated.
Jerryattic Jerryattic
51-55, M
5 Responses Dec 3, 2012

Every phenomenon has a reason. For example we see that the leaves of a tree are shaking, we search for the reason and we understand that the wind is the reason………or someone dies (it is a phenomenon or better to say an event) we search for the reason and we understand that a sickness or something else is the reason. It is the same for everything, I mean everything has a reason

Now the question is this: What’s the reason of this whole world?

It's God,isn't it?

Quote Mandy:- "It's God,isn't it?"

Only if you are a believer and worship a god that is not omnipotent

Every phenomenon has a reason. For example we see that the leaves of a tree are shaking, we search for the reason and we understand that the wind is the reason………or someone dies (it is a phenomenon or better to say an event) we search for the reason and we understand that a sickness or something else is the reason. It is the same for everything, I mean everything has a reason

Now the question is this: What’s the reason of this whole world?

It's God,isn't it?

Have you ever looked at a simple pen? It has some different parts that someone or something has made and connected them together in a specific order so it works.Look at yourself and its order!Look at the world and its order! They are much complex than a pen, aren’t they?

There should be someone who has created and put them in a special order.Who could have created them except God?
Some people say Bing Bang or evolution or…..
Maybe they are right but who has created that core which has exploded or better to say who has created the explosion or the place of it? Planets has really placed in an exact place Have they really done that by themselves? Or maybe everything has completed in an evolution but who has created the first thing? Has the evolution happened by itself? Everything has really a specific rule. Has the evolution put the specific rule in the creation by itself? I don’t think so……

Yes I accept people die from old age and various natural causes do not think there is need to discuss the genetic and environmental factors involved.

A believer in fairies would never come to agreement with a non-believer providing evidence confirming the growth of individual mushrooms in such patterns is associated with the underground network of mycella.

To children their parents seem omnipotent and most parents love, care and protect their children. They provide clear guidelines on moral values. For example "Though shalt not kill other children" The omnipotent parent does not allow freedom of choice on such an issue.

An omnipotent god failing to protect his innocent children from terrible cancers or the consequences of war cannot be a loving and caring god.

The most ridiculous thing I find is that believers feel an omnipotent god should allow the development of malignant diseases and cancers.

When a child dies of such a disease believers try to justify it with promises of joining Jesus in heaven a little earlier than anticipated. They may pray for the recovery of the child and give thanks to god if the child does not die overlooking the fact that the allegedly omnipotent god allowed the disease to exist and affect that child.

The only way to understand such issues ,and also the example I have put forward, is to deny the existence of an omnipotent caring and loving god..

People die. People have been dying for a very long time now. You"re what 51-55 and you have not yet come to terms with that fact yet ? And you use this everydat event to justify disbelief in God??? Amazing.

@ Adstars :- My reply referred to the general failures of an omnipotent god, including particular reference to such a god allowing innocent children to suffer disease, death and abuse. Of course people die from old age but that is something to be expected but an allegedly caring god should be able to eliminate the diseases causing painful death to innocent children. Maybe, in such cases, faith does not help objectivity

We live in a fallen earth that has been so since the time mankind took on the knowledge of good and evil. From that time on we have suffered because of it. Thus children get sick and abused and die. This is not a failure of God. This is a result of mankind embracing the knowledge of good and evil against the will of God. Our limited life spans guarantee that our suffering does not have to be eternal. There is no logic in rejecting and disbelieving in God because of human suffering.

You do not seen to understand the meaning of "omnipotent". In case you are not here is the objective definition from Wiki :-

"The term omnipotent has been used to connote a number of different positions. These positions include, but are not limited to, the following:

1.A deity is able to do anything that it chooses to do.
2.A deity is able to do anything that is in accord with its own nature (thus, for instance, if it is a logical consequence of a deity's nature that what it speaks is truth, then it is not able to lie).
3.Hold that it is part of a deity's nature to be consistent and that it would be inconsistent for said deity to go against its own laws unless there was a reason to do so.
4.A deity is able to do anything that corresponds with its omniscience and therefore with its worldplan.
5.Every action performed in the world is 'actually' being performed by the deity, either due to omni-immanence, or because all actions must be 'supported' or 'permitted' by the deity.

Under many philosophical definitions of the term "deity", senses 2, 3 and 4 can be shown to be equivalent. However, on all understandings of omnipotence, it is generally held that a deity is able to intervene in the world by superseding the laws of physics, since they are not part of its nature, but the principles on which it has created the physical world. However many modern scholars (such as John Polkinghorne) hold that it is part of a deity's nature to be consistent and that it would be inconsistent for a deity to go against its own laws unless there were an overwhelming reason to do so."

1) God can do anything that can be done. So yeah i know that.

As for your definitions they are made up by men and thus may have faults.

"""However, on all understandings of omnipotence, it is generally held that a deity is able to intervene in the world by superseding the laws of physics""" Yes that is true. God can do that.

Not sure why you need to post these defintions? They do not relate to my answer to you.

@ Adstars Not really worth wasting my time writing further if your blind faith means you do not follow a logical discussion.

I am reading what you have put forward, But i do not know what realtion it has to the issue you describe? So what if God is omnipotent? What has that got to do with the suffering? You talked about Childeren suffering then you did list of definitions of omnipotance. I cannot see what point you are making. you never came to any conclusions after your list of defintions.

You still clearly fail to realise that either your god is not omnipotent and it seemed necessary to spell out clearly the meaning of that word. The conclusion when one understands the meaning of omnipotence is that a caring omnipotent god would not allow innocent children to suffer infectious diseases that cause death, injury or allow other suffering. So either the god is not omnipotent or that god is not caring or that god only exists in the mind of those who have faith.

My God is omnipotent. Suffering in this world does not show God lacks omnipotance.

God allows people to suffer because it works as part of his eternal plan. God allows it for a time. He allows sin for a time. He allows rebellion for a time. His eternal plan will not include these things. But for the greater eternal good He has been longsuffering towards the state of His creation. You must understand that God must demonstrate why satan and His angels claim to Godhood is faulty. God must overcome the satanic rebellion before He can restore all His creation. God seeks to restore all His universe creation but only those who believe and accept His will shall be reconsiled and restored.

So God is omnipotent even if there is suffering in the universe.

I can understand and respect Christians whose beliefs are expressed in terms of kindness compassion and love for his fellow humans, The faith you seem to express is that which enabled and justified the atrocities committed not only by Christian's against believers in other faiths but against other churches. It shows a cruel and unkind god following a policy that would, in a human dictator, be regarded as barbaric. Even if such a god existed I would not respect it.

True Christians would try to find common ground with those who accept the moral guidance and compassion offered by Jesus. It is not helpful to quote stories about dragons to support cruelty by an omnipotent god that is not omnipotent if he cannot restore his creation!

"Revelation 12:7-11

Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death. "

Many Christians would feel your interpretation of belief is based on questionable fairy stories to support an intolerable policy. It is as abhorrent as a dictator such as Mugabe, Hitler or Franco having genocide as a policy

""""I can understand and respect Christians whose beliefs are expressed in terms of kindness compassion and love for his fellow humans, The faith you seem to express is that which enabled and justified the atrocities committed not only by Christian's against believers in other faiths but against other churches."""""

Nope i believe in the teachings of My Messiah Jesus. A part of those teachings tell me to love my enemies and turn my cheek and not to engage in carnal combat. So i do not believe in justified war or violence in the name of religion. And i cannot see how you could have come to the conclusion that i ever did? No where in this discussion has the issue ever been mentioned, So how did you come to such a wrong conclusion?


""" It shows a cruel and unkind god following a policy that would, in a human dictator, be regarded as barbaric. Even if such a god existed I would not respect it. """"

God only allows a life time of this situation for human beings. But He offers an eternity in a perfect situation afterward... So any suffering we may endure in this situation is as nothing compared to the eternal situation that awaits us. Also it must be noted that God would have been justified to destroy humanity totally when they joined satan and rebelled. God is not under any compulsion to Redeem this creation. It is only because of His perfect love that He is prepared to endure the situation for a time to ensure a long term total victory over the satanic rebellion and save as much of His human and Angelic creation as possible. God is just and the Justifier of those who love the truth.

Also i must add here. Your agreement with Gods will or your disagreement with Gods will is only relevant to your personal eternal outcome. It does not prove or disprove Gods existence and it certainly does not establish or undermine Gods total control of your eternal destiny. Indeed rejecting God and fighting against his will is as effective as a mosquito who is angry with the heat of the sun beating it's wings in the attempt to blow the sun out..


"""Revelation 12:7-11

Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death. """

Yeah? So? Yes when the reality of what God has done through Jesus sinks into the minds of the Angels 2/3ds of them will fight and expel satan and his angels from heaven and they will be coming down to earth. This will happen in the end time Just before the return of the Messiah Jesus... I wonder why you quote it?


"""Many Christians would feel your interpretation of belief is based on questionable fairy stories to support an intolerable policy. It is as abhorrent as a dictator such as Mugabe, Hitler or Franco having genocide as a policy""""

Well people can come to any conclusion they like, But it is Very unwise to Rush to conclusions without first seeking clarification and establishing the facts. You seem to be jumping to conclusions all too soon.

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