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I have decided to write some of my own personal beliefs about god. I have also answered 2 questions a lot of people have.

  I belong to no religion, god exists outside of religion and doesn’t need religion to dictate what is real or true and what isn’t. There are a lot of different religions, and different views of each religion, look at how many different forms of Christianity there are. Religions do hold a lot of answers yes, whether they're the right answers or not, nobody knows, but I do know that each religion contradicts the other and interprets god and the bible in different ways, then every follower of that religions believes in that one way. 

 God exists outside of religion, he is a completely separate entity from any religion. You don’t have to be a part of Christianity, Judaism, Muslim or anything else in order to have god with you, and be there for him. It’s not as complicated as that. All god asks of each of us, is to be good, do good things and help others, show love and compassion, don’t do anything wrong. Everyone knows in their own hearts right from wrong, good from evil, as long as you chose to do what is right that is all god wants from each of us. There are however a lot of other things that we can do in order to please god other then just being good, I will talk about that later for anyone who is interested. 

  If you truly want god as a part of your life, but your struggling with your faith or just have too much doubt then you can speak to me, but the best person to ask for help is god himself. Before you talk to me or anyone else, pray to god, and ask him to help you, pray with your heart mind and soul, ask him to come to you and help you and he will. Before you ask him, it is a good idea to pray for forgiveness, I’m not talking about the Christian form or anything like that. Ask him to forgive you for all of the wrong things you have done, think about them and be sorry for them, its not good apologising if you’re not truly sorry in your heart, if you are truly sorry for your wrong doings then he will forgive you and you will be closer to him. A lot of people see themselves as being unworthy of gods love, and forgiveness, but it is not up to them to decide if they're worthy or not, it is gods choice to make, and if someone is truly sorry for their sins then they are worthy of forgiveness.  

I’m now going to answer 2 main questions that a lot of people have, these answers come from no religion or religious sources.  

  1. If there is a god why is there so much suffering in the world?

This is a long answer, and there are a few answers so read it all.  

 Yes, god does have the power to stop any and every evil from happening in the world, so why doesn’t he? Have you ever stopped to think that the majority of evil in the world comes from humans? If god prevented every evil act done by every human, where would the human race be? We wouldn’t have free will, and we would all be completely dependant on god, wouldn’t we? God wants each and every human to chose to do the right thing from their own free will, he wants us to be good by our own choice, god wants this more then anything and it does pain him greatly when a human commits an evil act, but he wants all humans to chose to do what is good and right by themselves. How can this happen if he is stopping every bad thing from happening?  

If god stopped every bad thing from happening he would have to reveal himself to the world, he would have no choice. Now ask yourself this, if god reveals himself to people, do you think people will chose to be good, and chose to do the right thing BECAUSE it is the right thing to do, or do you think people will do this because they don’t want to be punished, or they have no choice, or they want to please god? God doesn’t want people to choose good over evil for these reasons, he wants people to choose good over evil because they want to be good, in their hearts they want to be good and do what’s right, and not for any other reason. 

  If the victim of an evil act remains good and true to themselves, god will love that person even if the victim strays from god, which also brings me to question 2. Don’t blame god for it though, don’t stray from god, it was the fault of the person who committed the evil, not the fault of god, and if you read all of the above you can see why he was unable to prevent it, and hopefully you can understand this, if you cant understand then open your mind to and ask god.  

     2. Will good people go to hell simply for not believing in god or asking for forgiveness, even if they have been wonderful good people all their lives, will god send that person to hell simply because s/he didn’t believe in god, or didn’t ask for forgiveness?

  This question saddens me, because it is a huge myth spread by Christianity, and this alone turns so many people away from god, it turned me away from god too, to think that he could send a wonderful human being to suffer for all eternity, just because that person didn’t believe in god. God exists outside of any religion, EVERYONE on the planet has VERY different beliefs. God is not stupid, at all in the slightest. Do you really think that god is going to send every Buddhist, or Hindu, or people who don’t believe to hell, just for their beliefs? Do I even have to answer this question? Think about it yourself. God is a part of no religion and is a completely separate being from religion, ask yourself if god is stupid.

SecretPaths SecretPaths 22-25, M 50 Responses Sep 3, 2009

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we aren't meant to know that is why it is called faith. Society has really steered you in the wrong direction. This is your opinion though, your soul not mine, good luck with that in the end.

trouble shooter, you take everything as if i am speaking to you and only you, i know you have not insulted me but others here have, just read.

my every post is not directed to you and some are not directed to you at all

thats all i have to say, im bored of this now, incase you hadnt noticed i grew bored of it sometime ago

have a nice life all of you, im sure you will, and im sure you have had

oh,and my evidence about al of your stupidity is all over this, and you wil continue to produce evidence with everything you say

you all enjoy kicking someone and bringing someone down who has no credibility, no backbone, and who believes in something the same as the easter bunny

i didnt lose my cool im just trying to show you all how stupid you all are, but a stupid person couldnt see that could they?

IF IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND i would never argue with someone who i believed had no credibility no backbone and who believed in the same things as santa, because that would be incredibly stupid, it would be foolish, idiotic how many other words are there to describe such an incredibly low thing.

continue to say more it will continue to show you stupid you all are

oh, and none of you answerd my questions on one ofthe more rescent posts i made, actually youall completely ignored it, im refering to the one where i called you "inteligent" people

im tired of arguing with stupid people, farewell, i wont be as stupid as any ofyou by continuing, because if i do ill b a hypocrit wont i

Then by all means SP, put this argument to rest and please tell us what this "evidence" of your is.

TS - Have fun fishin'!


hey everyone here has been insulting me the entire time, ihave "evidence" you know, that thig that is so important to all of you, that you are all what i claim you to be

your still continuing to argue about something in the same league as the easter bunny

my arguments are not weak, im just bored of this now, nota single one of you is "arguing" back with me about everything, you pick things that i say that you can argue against and ignore the rest that you cant.

so yes i am brored of this now, you people are too stubburn to listen, and to stubburn to see the evidence for yourseves stubburness and pride are sins.

with the decline or god there is a huge increase in crime and lack of morals, a huge increase

it's ok to believe in god, belief never hurt anyone. it's when you start trying to worship him when it get bad. that's when you start to think he wants you to do thing. and then it get worse.... God is good in moderation. having someone to call on in times of need, for example. belief in god can be a help. but worship it the big problem. 'gods' do not deserve to be worshipped.. humans are destined to surpass the level that these 'god' beings are supposed to be at. though I doubt they'll ever fulfill that destiny.

if you believe in a god, you give power to the idea of that god, and that is a bad, bad thing most of the time. especially the one called "God".

SP - Thank you for showing your true xtian colors. I knew it would come out eventually. It always does. Once again the atheist is not only more intelligent but far more emotionally mature. :-) Im so proud to be an atheist.

The sad true is that you are too damn stupid to understand basic comparisons. You simply believe what you are told to believe without any viable proof. Its pathetic. Society today has stopped encouraging education because it leads to atheism. I wonder why that could be?

lol the easter buny is real! where is your proof that it isnt real??

every easter he brings you chocolate eggs and you mock him, you will go to bunny hell for your blasphemy!!

lol are you going to put up serious argument against this?? as you have been against god which is in the same category?

lol your pathetic

andthts exatly my point troublehooter

didyou actually read anything i said?

do you understand why your a pathetic stupid foolish moron?

i did explain why to you in the above

same for archimedes and GM

you claim that i waste your time these are your words

your the one putting so much timeand energy into aarguing against and trying to prove that santa doest exist

lol im laughing so hard at you all, re read the post above troubleshooter

it was actually your own words that theres no diffrence between god santa and the easter bunny, i meen seriously come on its pathetic that your arguing over this for so long

unless you mentally unstable in which case forgive me

Its like immuslim said, were not wasting anyones time, your waisting your own time by replying to this if you think its all nonsense, i meen in all honesty, i would never argue over the existance of leprechauns with someone, to you god is as real as leprechauns, or unicorns or mermaides, if i was to argue that mermaides are real, would you all argue against me or would you simply ignore me and think im crazy, i really dont think any of you would put as much effort and energy into something like that, so from that perspective one could say your all stupid idiotic morons, because there is no diffrence between mermaides unicorns santa and the easter bunny to any of you.

also most of you have yet to responds to my most recent comment and question, you all immediately diverted your verbal abuse toward immuslim

Its like immuslim said, were not wasting anyones time, your waisting your own time by replying to this if you think its all nonsense, i meen in all honesty, i would never argue over the existance of leprechauns with someone, to you god is as real as leprechauns, or unicorns or mermaides, if i was to argue that mermaides are real, would you all argue against me or would you simply ignore me and think im crazy, i really dont think any of you would put as much effort and energy into something like that, so from that perspective one could say your all stupid idiotic morons, because there is no diffrence between mermaides unicorns santa and the easter bunny to any of you.

also most of you have yet to responds to my most recent comment and question, you all immediately diverted your verbal abuse toward immuslim

Only because I am a second degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do and Hop Ki Do, was the three time national jr champion, and undefeated in six states during the entire time I competed. I was good, once upon a time.

muslim, muslim, muslim: What do honestly think you will accomplish by being here? We are too damn intelligent to need faith. We dont need to believe in science - we see it work every day. If you cannot see that you are being toyed with you are more ignorant that I ever imagined. However, its all good fun for me!

You need to work on your respect towards women. One day you may find a woman that puts her foot upside your head and not in the fun bedroom way. You being muslim, I can understand that you may not have be brought up right and taught that you need to respect women as your equal. Facts are facts, we are a little bit better than you guys (my deepest apologies to all the awesome guys on here!). We bring new life into this world - you can't. I can even produce food for my newly created life all by myself - you cant. I am extremely intelligent and there are many, many women out there that would easily trump your intelligence without trying. Plus if you ever want to get laid - you need to be polite. I dont care how religious you claim to be - hormones do their jobs better then your will to be holy.

Until you make your god ring my doorbell, he doesn't exist. Santa doesn't come to my house; no matter how good I am. The easter bunny doesn't ring my doorbell either. I have never seen Bugs Bunny in Albuquerque. Dont quote some outdated text to attempt to prove the existence of your god - that is not proof. If everyone believed everything they read we would be in serious trouble. (Although, we kind of are. Its sad how uneducated and ignorant people have become)

Im sure you are not a scientist, you wont believe in GOD till you see him which is impossible for now , so just get losed you and your science!

3rd proof

One of the properties of seas that has only recently been discovered is related in a verse of the Quran as follows:

"He has let loose the two seas, converging together , with a barrier between them they do not break through"

This property of the seas , that they come together yetdo not mingle with one another at all, has only very recently been discovered by oceanographers. Because of the physical force called "surface tension", the waters of neighboring seas do not mix. Caused by the difference in the density of their waters, surface tension prevents them from mingling with one another, just as if a thin wall were between them.

The interesting side to this is that during a period when people had no knowledge of physics , surface tension, or oceanography; this was revealed in the quran.

ok mister scientist, if im wasting ur time never respond to my comments please but what about the 1st proof im sure that you didn't find anything against it !!

you're all so pathetic pffffffffffffffff

can't you realise that you were nothing and he created all of you.

the funny thing about you is that you are trying to get smart on him, so good luck :D :D, but the bad news is that this ain't gonna last forever, its just a matter of time before to get fired from this life, so till then, live your life ;) :D

As for those who wants the truth, I'll be posting more proofs, and GOD IS THE GREATEST :) .

ya the koran also talks about flying horses and genies, so until I see Barbara Eden fly away on Mr. Ed I will still hold your religion and all religions in contempt.


You are most def. in the wrong group if you believe in God. This group is for non believers so GM has a right to be in this group. Unlike you you don't have a right to be in this group.

Secretpaths also if you believe in god this is also the wrong group for you.

Can't you 2 read this group is called "I Don't believe in god" so wtf are you 2 in this group???? Can you 2 not read or intelligent to understand that this group is not for believers? If you 2 believe in god then go to one that says " I believe in god". Instead of telling people to shut their mouths for what they believe in and their opinions. If you don't want to know them then don't read or be in this group. You 2 are ignorant people just like most religious people though. So why bother you 2 are probably hard headed and going to keep arguing.

godlessmoma or whatever shut your mouth and listen to what i am saying get out of here if you dont like wht am saying okeeey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2nd proof

The quran draws attention to a very important geological function of mountains.

"We placed firmly embedded mountains on the earth, so it would not move under them..." ( the Quran , 21:31)

As we have noticed, it is stated in the verse that mountains have the function of preventing shocks in the earth.

This fact was not known by anyone at the time the Quran was reveiled. It was in fact brought to light only recently as a result of the findings of modrn geology.

Accordance to these findings, mountains emerge as a result of the movements and collisions of massive plates forming the earth's crust. When two plates collide, the stronger one slides under the other, the one on top bends and forms heights and mountains. The layer beneath proceeds under the ground and makes a deep extention downward. That means that mountains have a portion stretching downwards, as large as their visible parts on the Earth.

In a verse, this role of mountains is pointed out by a comparaison with "pegs":

"Have We not made the earth as a bed and the mountains its pegs?" (the quran , 78:6,7)

Mountains, in other words, clench the plates in the earth's crust together by extending above and beneath the earth's surface at the conjunction points of these plates. In this way, they fix the earth's crust, and prevent it from drifting over the magma stratum or among its plates. Briefly, we may liken mountains to nails that keep pieces of wood together.

This fixing function of the mountains is described in scientific literature by term "isotasy". Isostasy means the following:

Isostasy: general equilibrium in the earth's crust maintained by a yielding flow of rock materiel beneath the surface under gravitational stress.

This vital role of mountains, that was discovered by modern geology and seismic research, was revealed in the quran centuries ago as an example of the supreme wisdom in GOD's Creation.

"We Placed firmly embedded mountains on the earth, so it would not move under them..." (The Quran, 21:31).

WELL ****! If truth simply means it being in writing - Im going to come up with a few of my own.

1. After childbirth me and the women I choose shall magically and automatically lose all the baby weight and fit in same size clothes we wore when we got married. WOO HOO - Im going to wake up a size 0!

2. When I wean my babies my breasts will remain a nice an full DD instead of shrinking down back to a B.

3. My stretch marks are going to disappear too.

4. My children are going to listen to everything I say and be perfect.

5. I am going to be perfect.

6. My husband is going to do what I say, be supportive, oh, hell, lets just make him perfect too.

7. I want to wake up a multimillionaire.

8. I also want all the world religions to be annihilated. Then there can finally be peace in the world.

9. I would stop global warming and facilitating recycling every way possible.

10. I would make crime a thing of the past

11. There would be no more murder.

Well I think you get my drift now...but if you like, I can go on.

1st proof

The earth has all attributes that are needed for life.

One of them is the atmosphere, which serves as a shield protecting living things. Today, it is an established fact that the atmosphere is made up of different layers lying on top of one another. Just as it is described in the Quran, the atmosphere is made up of exactly seven layers. this is certainly one of the miracles of the Quran.

One fact about the universe revealed in the verses of the Quran is that the sky is made up of seven layers.

"It is He who created everything on the earth for you and then directed his attention up to heaven and arranged it into seven regular heavens. He has knowledge of all things." (the quran 2:29)

"Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke. In two days he determined them as seven heavens and revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate." (The Quran 41:12)

The word "heavens", which appears in many verses in the Quran, is used to refer to the sky above the earth, as well as the entire universe. Given this meaning of the word, it is seen that the earth's sky, or atmosphere, is made up of seven layers.

Indeed, Today it is known that the world's atmosphere consists of different layers that lie on top of each other. Furthermore, it consists, just as is described in the Quran, of exactly seven layers.

If we count the number of layers, we see that the atmosphere consists of exactly seven layers, just as stated in the verse.

1 Troposphere

2 Stratosphere

3 Ozonosphere

4 Mesosphere

5 Thermosphere

6 Ionosphere

7 Exosphere

Another important miracle on this subject is mentioned in the statement " (He) revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate.". In other words, in the verse, GOD states that he assigned each heaven its own duty. Truly, each one of these layers has vital duties for the benefit of human kind and all other living things on the earth.

Each layer has a particular function, ranging from forming rain to preventing harmful rays, from reflecting radio waves, to adverting the harmful effects of mteors.

It is a great miracle that these facts, which could not possibly be discovered without the technology of the 20th century, were explicitly stated by the Quran 1,400 years ago

Troublesshooter, Now you are a scientist, would you let me show you how science prove the existence of GOD ??

I'm not going anywhere, ever. You can throw your insults, you can look down upon me, you can give me all of the verbal abuse you can think of, but i will always be here, ill always be here to help those who need it, not just spiritually but in any way i can.

so give me your worst, but it wont change a thing, in all of my posts, i have never thrown an insult. Go ahead, show me what your capable of, tell me your true thoughts, yell insult laugh do what you will, but im staying put in this group and anywhere else where someone may need help.

religion and god are seperate entities, you all continually throw your abuse toward religion for reasons given by religions. with religion put aside you ask only for evidence, proof.

to find proof you need to open your eyes and look at the world around you, dont be blind to it.

you are all inteligent people, so you should all know the reasons why "miracles" will never be documented.

if gods existance was proven AND made into common knowledge it would throw the world into chaos, you are all inteligent people so you should all be well aware of this.

If gods existance was proven, it would go completely against his cause and plans, some of which i have already mentioned and wont repeat, refer to previous notes.

If gods existance was proven, and we were all raised in a world where his existance is proven, we would ALL be good people, how then would it be determined who is worthy, who is genuin, who are actual descent people over thethiefes, murderers, rapists etc.

if gods existance was proven we would no longer be independant

immagine a world where gods existance is proven.

sure it would be a lot more peaceful and a happyer place, but this life is short, very short, if we have to live like this for 70 or 80 years so be it, this amount of time is nothing in comparison to the time we will have.

but proof is everywhere, it can not be officially documented, but its everywhere. i have already shown you some things but i can not hand feed you everything.

give me all the verbal abuse you have, i welcome it

on a side note, has any of you seen a shooting star within the last week or so?

so what now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the thing that keeps you away from believing is it because there are not any proofs or because you dont want to believe at all???!!!!!

I am no more than a human like you, your god is one god. Those who hope to meet their Lord shall work righteousness, and never worship any other god beside his Lord.

Hi, ive posted the first comment on the story, and i didn't expect that much comments.

anyway its very simple GOD exists, you are just complicating things, there are proofs everywhere, only if you could see.

I can see that all of you (quantity), against SECRTPATHS (quality), what a shame !!!!!!!!!!

So, the thing you should know is that i believe in GOD and all his messengers, i believe in the one who created you, but hey!!!, you are too arrogant to accept it .

you also should know that GOD is in no need of anyone of you GOD already have those who believe in him, worship him, and devote the religion absolutely to him ALONE.

You'll remain preoccupied with hoarding, until you go to the graves. Indeed, you will find out, most assuredly, you will find out for certain, you will envision HELL, then you would see it with the eye of certainty. Then you will be questioned on that day about the blessing you had enjoyed.

Why should i not worship the one who initiated me, and to him is your ultimate return!!!!, Shall I set up beside Him gods? If the Most Gracious willed any harm for me, their intercession cannot help me one bit, nor can they rescue me.

How sorry is the people's condition! Every time a messenger went to them, they always ridiculed him.

Did they not see how many generations GOD annihilated before them, and how they never return to them?

The following is taken from the QU'RAN :

In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

[56:1] When the inevitable comes to pass.

[56:2] Nothing can stop it from happening.

[56:3] It will lower some, and raise others.

[56:4] The earth will be shaken up.

[56:5] The mountains will be wiped out.

[56:6] As if they never existed.

[56:7] You will be stratified into three kinds.

[56:8] Those who deserved bliss will be in bliss.

[56:9] Those who deserved misery will be in misery.

[56:10] Then there is the elite of the elite.

[56:11] They are those who will be closest (to God).

[56:12] In the gardens of bliss.

[56:13] Many from the first generations.

[56:14] Few from the later generations.

[56:15] On luxurious furnishings.

[56:16] Enjoying everything, they will be neighbors.

[56:17] Serving them will be immortal servants.

[56:18] With cups, pitchers and pure drinks.

[56:19] They never run out, nor do they get bored.

[56:20] Fruits of their choice.

[56:21] Meat of birds that they desire.

[56:22] Beautiful mates.

[56:23] Like protected pearls.

[56:24] Rewards for their works.

[56:25] They never hear any nonsense therein, nor sinful utterances.

[56:26] Only the utterance: "Peace, peace."

[56:27] Those of the right side, will be on the right side.

[56:28] In lush orchards.

[56:29] Fragrant fruits.

[56:30] Extended shade.

[56:31] Abundant water.

[56:32] Many fruits.

[56:33] Never ending; never forbidden.

[56:34] Luxurious furnishings.

[56:35] We create for them mates.

[56:36] Never previously touched.

[56:37] Perfectly matched.

[56:38] For those on the right side.

[56:39] Many from the early generations.

[56:40] Many from the later generations.

[56:41] Those of the left, will be on the left.

[56:42] In misery and inferno.

[56:43] Even their shade is hot.

[56:44] Never cool, never tolerable.

[56:45] They used to be rich.

[56:46] They insisted on the great blasphemy.

[56:47] They said, "After we die and turn to dust and bones, we get resurrected?

[56:48] "Does this include our forefathers?"

[56:49] Say, "The early generations and the later generations.

[56:50] "Will be summoned to a meeting on a predetermined day.

[56:51] "Then you, O disbelieving strayers.

[56:52] "Will eat from the trees of bitterness.

[56:53] "Filling your bellies therefrom.

[56:54] "Then drinking on top of it hellish drinks.

[56:55] "Then adding drinks of sand."

[56:56] Such is their share on the Day of Judgment.

[56:57] We have created you, if you could only believe!

[56:58] Have you noted the ***** that you produce?

[56:59] Did you create it, or did we?

[56:60] We have predetermined death for you. Nothing can stop us

[56:61] from substituting new generations in your place, and establishing what you do not know.

[56:62] You know about the first creation. Do you not remember?

[56:63] Have you noted the crops you reap?

[56:64] Did you grow them, or did we?

[56:65] If we will, we can turn it into hay. Then you will lament:

[56:66] "We lost.

[56:67] "We are deprived."

[56:68] Have you noted the water you drink?

[56:69] Did you send it down from the clouds, or did we?

[56:70] If we will, we can make it salty. You should be thankful.

[56:71] Have you noted the fire you ignite?

[56:72] Did you initiate its tree, or did we?

[56:73] We rendered it a reminder, and a useful tool for the users.

[56:74] You shall glorify the name of your Lord, the Great.

[56:75] I swear by the positions of the stars.

[56:76] This is an oath, if you only knew, that is awesome.

[56:77] This is an honorable Quran.

[56:78] In a protected book.

[56:79] None can grasp it except the sincere.

[56:80] A revelation from the Lord of the universe.

[56:81] Are you disregarding this narration?

[56:82] Do you make it your business that you disbelieve?

[56:83] When the time comes and it (your soul) reaches your throat -

[56:84] you will then look around.

[56:85] We are closer to it than you are, but you do not see.

[56:86] If it is true that you do not owe any accounting -

[56:87] why do you not restore (your soul), if you are truthful?

[56:88] If he is one of those close to Me -

[56:89] then joy, flowers, and gardens of bliss.

[56:90] And if he is one of the right -

[56:91] peace is the lot of those on the right.

[56:92] But if he is one of the disbelievers, the strayers -

[56:93] then an abode of inferno -

[56:94] and burning in Hell.

[56:95] This is the absolute truth.

[56:96] You shall glorify the name of your Lord, the Great.

SP, if you believe in god - you are in the WRONG group or you are more delusional then most of your kind. I am pretty confident I can say that we didn't ask for your "answers" and we are not looking for "divine" anything because there is no such thing.

Of what evidence do you speak? I have read the bible and the only thing I have found is that when there is not science the xtians do encourage leaving things up to their dark imaginations. Even when there is science, xtians deny it in favor of faith and ignorance. (I really dont get that.)

Look, I dont mind being the meanie. I told a few kids when I was in fourth grade that there was no such thing as Santa - I just couldn't believe kids wanted to be deluded. Same thing is going on with your god thing.