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Brazil: The Movie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa4fdGK8s9o

This link goes to a youtube collage of the movie Brazil.

Despite the comments on the page, it is great collection

of clips from the movie. The background theme of the

movie is that of state terrorism against the state itself.

There is a good write up of the movie on Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_(film)

 "it may be argued that the existence of 'terrorists' in the film (i.e., Jill Layton, Buttle/Tuttle, and Sam are all accused of being terrorists) [...] [is] deliberately made ambiguous [...]. Viewers must interpret this central theme of the film for themselves - and recognize the fact that ironically -- there may be no terrorists at all."

 


 

AlternateSource AlternateSource 46-50, M 42 Responses Jan 26, 2010

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No Andrew, no worries, I appreciated your comment. There was once a story for this group, but I deleted it night, with many others. I have not had the where-with-all to rewrite a story for the group. The original included the reference to the movie 'Brazil" which has as a theme, background explosions and constant radio and TV reports of terrorist activity, though the government is responsible for the acts themselves.

I note it very interesting that you mention the My Lai Helicopter Pilot. Warrant Officer One Hugh Thompson, Jr. was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross "for heroism above and beyond the call of duty while saving the lives of at least 10 Vietnamese civilians during the unlawful massacre of non-combatants by American forces at My Lai"

I wonder how many today would do what he did to earn the award that he received.

The number is very small, I am sure...

Thanks for the clarification. Then I think I agree with you even more. We must never be locked into pre-conceived ideas that some nations may be "terrorist" nations, whilst other, specific, nations could never be.



The American helicopter crews who put themselves between their own troops and the villagers being murdered in My Lai drew that line, under battle conditions, and I believe they did the right thing.



What troubles me is the phenomenon of well-educated people digging in their heels and maintaining entrenched views on whether highly-emotive national names such as "Israel" or "Iran" or "China" are automatically associated with terrorism, without knowing a lot of facts.



Take care, hope you didn't think I was being hostile...



AP

The reference is to the 'state sponsorship' of terrorism. The concept is related to who is doing the acts, not a disbelief in the word as a noun. Numerous "acts of terror" have been used throughout history as reasons for starting wars. These are Orwellian concepts brought to the modern world.

I'm afraid I'm with puck61 on this one. For me, there is a line which can be drawn. I am Singaporean, not Israeli, and I am not a Jew, but I draw a distinction between Irgun and Palestinian terrorists. Irgun may have carried out many terrorist attacks, but the first thing Israel did with its independence was to build a modern multiracial state based on law and democracy.



Sorry if this upsets anybody, but we asked Israel -- during its teenage years -- to design our armed forces and our conscription system because they were people who wanted peace, knew what it meant to need a safe place to live, and were... pragmatic rather than ideological. It is one of the best-kept secrets in military history.



I call a "terrorist", any organization or state or cell which is based purely on hate. Israel and America are not my favourite countries -- far from it -- but "Death to Israel!" and "Death to America!" are incompatible (in my humble opinion) with statehood.



This means that I also condemn racist Jewish settlers who throw stones at old men, knock palestinian children down, and talk of wiping out the Arabs, it is very un-PC to say this, but this reminds me too much of the Nazis.



I read the story of the "thousand cranes" girl, the atomic bomb "survivor" who died of radiation poisoning in her early teens, and I cry too. After her death, her doctors found a piece of paper with her daily blood readings written in pencil; the girl did not understand the figures, but she knew that she was dying, and was logging the numbers which counted down to her death. She is no different from Ann Frank. An innocent, killed by terrorists.



Any country can behave like a terrorist. We must not be so stupid or naive as to form our opinions based on pre-conceptions concerning what a particular country might, or might not, do. We are human beings, it is our duty to draw the line -- for our own conscience -- even though the task can be so difficult. And part of that process involves becoming INFORMED.



Take care --



Andrew

The word "fashion" has the same roots as the word "fascist". So, fascists do what is fashionable for the time...

Hmmmm...I feel the need to comment on the 'label'... Islamofascists. I don't care for labels...period, because this is the mechanics of keeping people around the world ''separated'', and plays into the PTB favor. Thats exactly what they want us to do because then we are powerless for the lack of numbers. The word " Islamofascists" is designed to make us hate ''Islam" because of its reference. There is Fascism in nearly every country in the world, in at least some respect, so what label will they think of next to pin the tail on the next country. Is America... Amerofascists? How about Mexifascists, or Eurofascists.....on! Anyone in the world that they wish to target, they make up a new label for and feed it to the press to spread it far and wide. Lets not fall for that game anymore...please! Fascism is Fascism! Lets not be the spreaders of the labels that hurt us! We have so many bigoted labels out there...its pathetic!

Lots of valid questions, very few answers for us...

Well, one big red flag about our Military, why are they running our Medical Complex? What does the military have to do with medicine? Another, why are we spending 5 times more on our military than any other country in the world. Another, why are we paying to supply so many other countries around the world with weapons, including WMD and weapons that are banned by treaties and the Geneva Conventions?? Especially Israel? I have a lot of red flag and false flag questions!

Squigglefish steps to the plate : Home run...

I wish that there was a 'debate', but Puck only has rhetorical spit without the evidence to back it up. Typical of a neorightest punt!

Damn , this debate was just getting interesting..-

Puck pulls up this term: Islamofascism



The term Islamofascism is a controversial neologism which draws an analogy between the ideological characteristics of specific Islamist movements from the turn of the twenty-first century on, and a broad range of European fascist movements of the early twentieth century, neofascist movements, or totalitarianism. Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism



Controversial. . totalitarianism seems to be what the libocons want, freedom for themselves, salvation for none, and death to any who would defy them.



That's the end for me. I am not going to talk to people who troll anymore.

And you will repeat this without investigating a single item

It would be nice if you would say something informative.

I don't know who shot JFK.

I believe that the "truthers" are in error. I don't believe that our own government or shadow government orchestrated the events on 9-11-01.

Indeed they did...

What is your insinuation?

Because you cast disparaging reference to the term,

do you insinuate they are invalid?



hmmm, do you think Oswald shot JFK?

(this is topical, the Book "Conspiracy Theory" is the reference")

The conpiracy theories started flying the day the towers came down.

There. I corrected the problem. I didn't get it from Anne Coulter by the way.

Arafat's Black September organization killed 11 Israeli athletes in 1972

Obama's SOTUA is quoted to have begun at 9:11 pm

The bombing in Spain was 911 days after 9-11-01

The NWO speech was on 9-11-90, 11 years before 9-11-01

President Salvador Allende of Chile is assassinated on 9-11-73

The ground breaking for the Pentagon was 9-11-41

1st Cavalry Division arrives in South Vietnam on 9-11-65

including the 11th Aviation Group,

consisting of 11 companies of assault helicopters

We do not think our 'government' planned and perpetrated 9/11, we know people WITHIN our government did.



Did you know the WTC was condemned by the New York Port Authority before 9/11? Contracts were awarded for the initial phase of asbestos clean-up, but the NYPA would not allow any demolition other than WET REMOVAL of asbestos. Know anything about it? Hmmm, perhaps you should USE the google every once in a while, to learn something instead of just copying Ann Coulter links.

You should not post other's work from other websites without the SOURCE Puck, read the TOS [Terms of Service]



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*origin is misspelled in the TOS.

And inside the border, too :-(

UC..I was talking about things done in the name of God. You're right, there are tons of terrorist orginizations out there. Just right across the border here.

The inevitable take over of Columbia will follow

the same lines as the takeover of the rest South America

Colombians are attempting to reclaim their country,

(this is not a reference to the 'terrorists' you mention)

Higher interests are creating havoc which will ultimately

require US intervention in Columbia.

Please research, "The Monroe Doctrine"

Please watch the movie "Brazil"

Hearten, You actually believe that I would be stupid enough to try to take credit for someone elses material. times dates etc and not expect someone to do a google????????????

Again, Puck, we are going to have to agree to disagree.



ETA and FARC, are just one of the examples of what the crimes madmen ( a.k.a Terrorists) can commit against humanity...........in the present day.

UC true enough,, but present day, there is no comparison .

Hmmm...defining the word "terrorist" seems to be in the eye of the beholder. If a murder, it no other terms, is committed by a ''Muslim" in the US or many other European countries, well now, the Media suddenly find those great Buzz words to sensationalize the "News" calling it a "Terrorist Attack", though many times they can't seem to find any "terrorist ties"...but who cares about that, when its so fun to feel that grand adrenaline flow from the fervor and hate from being "patriotic" to ones country! We'll get "those" bad guys! The only way that we can differentiate between the two is to research the sensational article and find the ''other'' side of the story. Often to find no terrorist ties whatsoever! Personally, I don't think that terrorism is a myth or doesn't exist, but on the other hand, I don't believe that every murder is a terrorist attack either. Certainly no intelligent person doesn't recognize the sensationalizing of a story...with now the most famous buzz word...''terrorist''!



The way our government is going, all of us in this thread will be considered ''terrorists'' in a few years. Or ''domestic insurgents"!

Hearten ..I don't see where I lied. I don't see your reasoning, Anyone can tell that that list is C&P 'd > I wouldn't be so stupid as to try and lead anyone to believe otherwise.I don't think anyone in this conversation is that stupid either.

You didn´t mention the colour of skin that´s true but other people who are bent on putting the blame of the world´s miseries on a particular race or country or religion have done so with the disastrous results we have all witnessed and suffered.



The so called " scriptures" ( Coran, Tora, Bible, etc ) have unfortunately been used by many ( not only the fanatical Muslims ) to justify their actions of hate and intolerance. It is a pity you insist on your one sided view of terrorism because as it happens it is not the malady of just one religion.

Who said anything about skin color? Islamofascism is not a religion, it's a political ideaology. A very dangerous ideology that uses "scripture" to justify it's actions.