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Posted September 5th, 2008 at 10:03PM

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  1. Tummie - 26-30 years old - male

    Posted by Tummie on Sep 5th, 2008 at 11:47PM, last updated Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:11AM

    I believe he exists as well. Also, I don't think there's a deeper wound than a mother losing her child. -hugs-

    And you're right in my opinion. Life has wounded or will wound us all in one way or another.

    Lastly, I just want to say that this story has shown how wise and strong you really are. When I finished reading this, I felt inspired in a sense. You've carried such a deep wound and managed to be one of the most peaceful, supportive, and fun persons as far I know. There's no doubt in my mind that your son is smiling at you right now. You're truly are a beautiful person.

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  2. Posted by An EP User on Sep 5th, 2008 at 11:52PM

    I am a mother and I think my soul would die. My thoughts go out to you!!

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  3. goddessone - 41-45 years old - female

    Posted by goddessone on Sep 6th, 2008 at 2:03AM

    Datura, I can find no better words to express my feelings than those written by TheUnsolvedMystery.

    Remaining spiritual in the face of such adversity such is beyond my realm of possibility.

    It's an honor to be your friend.

    Namaste

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  4. Posted by An EP User on Sep 6th, 2008 at 4:46AM

    Datura I'm so sorry for you. I too can only repeat what has already been said.

    (((hugs)))

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  5. PurpleUmbrella - 31-35 years old - female

    Posted by PurpleUmbrella on Sep 6th, 2008 at 4:55AM

    Your son is with you everyday and he will always be there for you, watching over you.
    *Sending you unconditional love as I write*

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  6. juan1966 - 41-45 years old - male

    Posted by juan1966 on Sep 6th, 2008 at 6:51AM

    Datura, you have my deep sympathy.

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  7. Posted by An EP User on Sep 6th, 2008 at 10:28AM

    I am so sorry for your heartbreaking loss and humbly respect your unwavering courage and spiritual strength as you continue your life journey. Peace and love, friend.

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  8. Firetech - 56-60 years old - male

    Posted by Firetech on Sep 6th, 2008 at 1:35PM

    I am not convinced that prayer has any significant meaning, but just in case, I will pray for you this month.

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  9. trailguide - 36-40 years old - female

    Posted by trailguide on Sep 6th, 2008 at 2:36PM

    (((((((((((((((((hug)))))))))))))))))

    There is no way one can get over a loss like this. No way.

    Datura, you are the most amazing person i know. The respect i feel for you can not be described in words. You went through the biggest heartbreak a person can go in this life and yet you remained a loving, encouraging, pilar of strength for everyone around you. You are an inspiration. A true living example, that trusting and relying on our source is the biggest aid on this human journey.

    You and your son will meet agian at the source. Till then he is with you every step of the way..smiling, no doubt.

    Love and light to you, sister.
    You are in my prayers.

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  10. swanfether - 61-65 years old - female

    Posted by swanfether on Sep 6th, 2008 at 4:49PM

    Thank you for sharing your deep sorrow, & your deep love, for your wonderful son, with us. The sensation of a hole that I have in my chest right now must be a pale pale hint of what you must have had to carry. I know that part of your strength and beauty comes from a bond, still very much alive, with your son.

    I know that our gut-wrenching blows can change our lives forever. I know that its up to each of us what we do in response. It is clear that you are bestowing the love you both shared outward like a living spring of deep presence. I honor you and I am grateful to feel the refreshing mists of this spring.

    [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ Datura ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

    There is obviously nothing that can touch your loss or your grief. And I will hold both of you in my heart whenever I hear that song about 'When September Ends'.

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  11. barkeep - 36-40 years old - male

    Posted by barkeep on Sep 7th, 2008 at 4:37AM

    dear datura, loosing the love one is always hard and no one can get over that,you right the best way to deal with that is to be spritual and beleave the sprite lives in another form and i beleave he is in form of his brother and his
    sister closer than ever to so you can smell him ,kiss him ,hug him and feel him,
    so wont wast a moment and let him heel your wound with there presants and make shore they feel the same.
    i susggest enjoy the time ,every minute of your life with your love ones now when they here becouse end will come for everyone,i know as spritual person you shuold know death is part of life so when the time come you be stronger.


    BE STRONG

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  12. Posted by An EP User on Sep 7th, 2008 at 8:14AM, last updated Sep 7th, 2008 at 10:06AM

    It must have taken a lot for you to share your deepest wound with us but I am very glad that you did.

    It is an incredibly sad story and I can't help thinking of you sitting with your memories by your pond .

    I can only send you lots of love.

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  13. Josie06 - 56-60 years old - female

    Posted by Josie06 on Sep 18th, 2008 at 11:56AM

    ((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))

    I'm crying, that is a terrible heartbreaking experience and you have made it beautiful emotional experience for all to read.

    You have given a heartbreaking experience and yet I believe that he is still with you too. Will always be till you met again.

    You are amazing and I so admire you and how you handle life.

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  14. SlowHand812 - 56-60 years old

    Posted by SlowHand812 on Sep 19th, 2008 at 10:48AM

    Datura,
    Having turned 60 this past August, I was feeling a bit sorry for myself for never having experienced the joys of fathering children. I looked back over my life, with a combination of anger, sadness, and a broad collection of "What ifs"?
    After reading your deepest thoughts, I was snapped back into reality. What was I thinking? I thank whatever gods there are for my life, and those with whom I surround myself. My thoughts and prayers are with you. To have a "Sacred Place" may not only ease your pain, but give you the strength, solace, and grace to ( perhaps one day) understand that horrible tragedy.

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  15. wallywhite - 56-60 years old - male

    Posted by wallywhite on Sep 19th, 2008 at 11:34AM

    Datura, my heart goes out to you I can understand how your son's death is with you every single day, I am glad there is a place where you are able to be with him.

    I thank God that my son never reached that point but was helped by his mother and sisters to accept that he was not well. He now leads a pretty normal life and holds down a good job.

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  16. liberatedmynd - 31-35 years old

    Posted by liberatedmynd on Sep 19th, 2008 at 1:29PM

    I feel for you. I have not lost a child, but I did lose my brother because he was an alcoholic. He did not take his own life, but he did decide not to drink anymore which is what took his life.
    It was nine years ago on the 26th of August.
    You are right, it doesn't get any easier. I can't think or talk about him without breaking down.
    The moment I was told that he was gone a part of me died. So I know what you mean when you say there are two parts to your life, before and after.
    I know I will never be the same, but I try to use every chance I get to become better and stronger from this. Like helping others in my position.
    I will never forget him or get over not having him here anymore.
    There is one thing that I do know for sure. I feel him with me, I talk to him, and I believe that he speaks to me with the music that we shared together.
    You and your son share the pond and the fish.
    I believe that they are both with us and that they are healing where they are now.
    Who knows, maybe they have even met where they are since they were both dealing with some of the same problems here on earth.
    Know that you are not alone and if you ever need to talk please contact me. I would love to speak with you.
    Sending love and peace to you.....

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  17. liberatedmynd - 31-35 years old

    Posted by liberatedmynd on Sep 19th, 2008 at 1:29PM

    I feel for you. I have not lost a child, but I did lose my brother because he was an alcoholic. He did not take his own life, but he did decide not to drink anymore which is what took his life.
    It was nine years ago on the 26th of August.
    You are right, it doesn't get any easier. I can't think or talk about him without breaking down.
    The moment I was told that he was gone a part of me died. So I know what you mean when you say there are two parts to your life, before and after.
    I know I will never be the same, but I try to use every chance I get to become better and stronger from this. Like helping others in my position.
    I will never forget him or get over not having him here anymore.
    There is one thing that I do know for sure. I feel him with me, I talk to him, and I believe that he speaks to me with the music that we shared together.
    You and your son share the pond and the fish.
    I believe that they are both with us and that they are healing where they are now.
    Who knows, maybe they have even met where they are since they were both dealing with some of the same problems here on earth.
    Know that you are not alone and if you ever need to talk please contact me. I would love to speak with you.
    Sending love and peace to you.....

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  18. Jennir - 22-25 years old

    Posted by Jennir on Sep 19th, 2008 at 1:35PM

    I can't begin to imagine what you must have gone through, and what you're still going through. Your son sounds like such a wonderful person; so caring, friendly and loving. I am also spiritual, and I certainly believe he's still with you and your family. Keep believing in what ever you believe. One thing I believe is that once they die, they sort of evaluate their life with guardian angel(s) and are refreshed- know that I believe he has found happiness and still loves you and the rest of your family, dearly.
    Best of luck for the future, stay as strong as you are now, we're all with you :)

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  19. ltyndall - 51-55 years old - female

    Posted by ltyndall on Sep 19th, 2008 at 3:20PM

    I particpated in a walk called Out of the Darkness a few years ago. It's a group focused on helping to prevent suicide. When I got there the "walkers" were asked to take strands of colored beads - one each to represent each person they were walking for. Each color stood for a different type of relationship, a father, a brother, a friend, a son.

    I picked 4 strands. One each for my father and my father-in-law. They both committed suicide. Then I picked two more. One for my brother and one for my husband. They had both attempted suicide. I walked outside the tent feeling a little blue but as I looked around I saw all these people with white strands of beads (mine were gold, red, blue & orange). I suddenly realized....these were the people who had lost a child. In comparison my losses and challenges seem so small. I'm not sure I could survive losing either of my sons to suicide.

    You are an amazing and inspiring woman. I'm not sure what happens when we die but I hope on some level you'll recognize a rejoining with this wonderful son of yours. Until then live in peace.

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  20. ltyndall - 51-55 years old - female

    Posted by ltyndall on Sep 19th, 2008 at 3:20PM

    I particpated in a walk called Out of the Darkness a few years ago. It's a group focused on helping to prevent suicide. When I got there the "walkers" were asked to take strands of colored beads - one each to represent each person they were walking for. Each color stood for a different type of relationship, a father, a brother, a friend, a son.

    I picked 4 strands. One each for my father and my father-in-law. They both committed suicide. Then I picked two more. One for my brother and one for my husband. They had both attempted suicide. I walked outside the tent feeling a little blue but as I looked around I saw all these people with white strands of beads (mine were gold, red, blue & orange). I suddenly realized....these were the people who had lost a child. In comparison my losses and challenges seem so small. I'm not sure I could survive losing either of my sons to suicide.

    You are an amazing and inspiring woman. I'm not sure what happens when we die but I hope on some level you'll recognize a rejoining with this wonderful son of yours. Until then live in peace.

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  21. Creflomct - 16-17 years old

    Posted by Creflomct on Sep 19th, 2008 at 3:41PM

    i have been told im a good listener, i offer my support.....*hug*

    GOD bless

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  22. indimonterrey - 31-35 years old - female

    Posted by indimonterrey on Sep 19th, 2008 at 3:48PM

    Unfortunately, I understand your pain. My mom put a gun to her head in November of 2004. As I read your story, I got teary eyed thinking of how overwhelmed I felt after flying in to another country for my mom's funeral and all the emotions of anger, sadness, confusion, guilt, denial etc were the only reason I was able to sleep. Her suicide was also caused by depression (which runs in our family) that was brought on by my father's physical and emotional abuse towards her. She had attempted to take her life countless times before. She lived on all kinds of medications (which I am against) to go to sleep, to wake up, for anxiety, for depression, for pain, etc. It was ridiculous all she was taking and my sisters and I all know that she was definately not in her right mind when she pulled that trigger. She didn't deserve what she had to live with. She was a wonderful friend, a giving person and a loving mother. She cared about everyone and never judged anyone on anything other than their personality. She had an amazing, sarcastic sense of humor that I always loved and also inherited. I thank the heavens for the qualities I learned from her because they are what make me the person I am.
    I became spiritual after that loss of a piece of my heart and I also believe she is around my sisters and I all the time. We all feel better knowing that someday we will see her again. The only good thing that came out of this tragedy is that I no longer think of suicide. I have three kids and I know how I felt losing my mommy. I would never want to do that to my kids. I believe that everything happens for a reason and although this wasn't supposed to happen, it did and we are left here to deal with it. How we do it, is entirely up to us.
    November will be here soon but I will not hate it. I will love it and remember all the good things about my mom. Of course my heart will be aching. I wouldn't be human if it wasn't.... but I will not be angry, confused, feeling guilty or denying what happened.
    You have his pond and that is a wonderful thing, but even without his pond, you would have found something that would have helped you get through.

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  23. Meggi51 - 51-55 years old - female

    Posted by Meggi51 on Sep 19th, 2008 at 4:15PM

    Three years ago, my great friend, Nic, hanged himself.

    He was the most thoughtful, considerate friend.
    He'd do ANYTHING for a friend.

    When he became ill, those of us who loved him tried our best to help him.

    Two years his illness went on, during which time, he constantly harmed himself, lost his temper with his mother, Carol and drove away his wife and daughter.

    In the three weeks before his suicide, he seemed to be getting better.

    The afternoon of the day he hanged himself, my husband met him on the street.
    My husband said that he, Nic, seemed much more positive than he had in months.

    It was Mothering Sunday.

    He and his brother had taken their Mum, Carol out to a fancy restaurant for a meal, they'd gone to see Carol's mother in her nursing home.

    Nic had had a huge bouquet of flowers delivered to Carol, with a card saying,' Thanks for everything. I love you Mum.'

    His brother and children left around eight in the evening.
    Soon after, Carol took the cups etc from tea to the kitchen.
    Nic said that he had something to sort out in his room.

    Ten minutes later, CXarol, having finished the washing up, thought Nic had been unusually quiet.

    She went to the bottom of the stairs and called up......No answer.

    She thought that Nic had his music on loudly in his room, and couldn't hear her.

    She went up the stairs, meaning to knock on his door......

    She found Nic hanging from a beam in the loft.

    Not, as most people would assume, dangling from the beam, legs swinging in the air.

    He was, as most hanging victims are, on his knees, his face blue, his eyes and tongue bulging.

    My husband & I think so often that we should have KNOWN that Nic was palnning something.

    All we saw, though, was that he seemed better.

    Not a day goes by that I don't think of Nic and think that his calm that final day should have alerted me to his TRUE state.

    We cannot go on blaming ourselves for what we didn't see.

    Your son, my dear, made a decision.

    No-one will EVER understand why he did that.

    I wish I could tell you that it gets easier.

    All I can say, my dear, is that the pain DOES lessen as time passes.

    You are in my thoughts and prayers.

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  24. CoopII - 31-35 years old - male

    Posted by CoopII on Sep 19th, 2008 at 4:43PM

    I must say I fought with thoughts of sucide for the better part of my life. I guess in a way... a very selfish way I never even thought about the ones I would have left behind. It was more about what seemed like the end to all the pain.

    I am sorry for your loss... I wouldn't wish it on anyone and I to think he is with you in spirit and is very sorry for leaving you all the way he did.

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  25. herecomethedrums - 16-17 years old - female

    Posted by herecomethedrums on Sep 19th, 2008 at 5:31PM

    Wow. Not being a mother, I cannot even begin to comprehend your grief. The closest I have ever come to such empathy is reading Barbara Kingsolver's _The Poisonwood Bible_. However, I have lost a grandfather, an uncle, and a dear childhood friend (also known as a dog) to demons similar in terribleness to those of your son. That said, all I can give (though I wish to give more!) is my deep hope that you will find more of the peace and semi-comfort which only time can bring.

    I, too, believe that your son still exists upon a different spectrum of life and energy. And I am so happy that you can still feel his presence!

    As the others have said, you are a very strong, courageous, and inspiring individual. I thank you very much for sharing this part of your life with Experience Project. :)

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  26. just4play - 41-45 years old - female

    Posted by just4play on Sep 19th, 2008 at 6:06PM

    no parent should bury her child, i cant imagine a deeper pain.xxx

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  27. whocaresanymore - 16-17 years old

    Posted by whocaresanymore on Sep 19th, 2008 at 6:43PM

    There have been many times I have thought about suicide and planned on it. And everytime I am so close to doing it, somethings stops me. Like these stories, or my mother doing something very nice for me, or something that is just out of the ordinary amazing.
    All three happened today.
    First of all, I come on and see this story, which I know is the final straw for myself of thinking about doing it.
    Secondly, I come home from school today and on my bed is a bottle of arizona [my FAVORITE], sour skittles, and a 72 pack of tampons [inside joke in my family]. All to celebrate my September 19.

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  28. whocaresanymore - 16-17 years old

    Posted by whocaresanymore on Sep 19th, 2008 at 6:44PM

    p.s., I hate death certificates. They are so cold and blunt. If I were in charge of the world, my death certificates would be full of love, not just heartless. I know it's a peice of paper, but it's actually so, so much more.

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  29. levin60kitty - 61-65 years old

    Posted by levin60kitty on Sep 19th, 2008 at 7:30PM

    You have my sympathy - I lost a child (an infant, premature, who just wasn't strong enough) The short time he was here left me with that longing to know him better. That was 31 years ago. He would be a good stong man now . . . Your son is in a new place. Death is just one more door that has to be opened in our existence. A dear friend and counselor of mine agrees with me that out of any tragedy some good must be found. You seem to be finding that good. Keep at it and know there anr thousands and probably millions who pray for you every night. I had the thought that perhaps your son and mine sit somewhere now listening to both of us. Your son turns to mine and says: "I can't wait till they get here - we will have our hands full explaining everything to them." God bless - keep smiling. Tim

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  30. Posted by An EP User on Sep 19th, 2008 at 7:35PM

    dear Whocaresanymore, I can't contact you personally because of your age.I am so glad that you read this story today and that your mother did the nice things. Let these events be a real sign from the universe to you. I don't want your mother or any mother to go through this.

    An act of suicide cannot be taken back obviously. It is final. I know of so many people who made an unsuccessful attempt and have a happy life now, and are so glad they failed.

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