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My Dwindling Patience

I work with children. I have worked with children for a good 35 years now. I raised two of my own, on my own. From babysitting to a Children's Aid Society, from a group home to daycare centres, schools, churches and tutoring, I've come in contact with a lot of children. I'm working in a classroom now in a public school, and I have come to realize that my patience for rude children is dwindling. I'm shocked today at the mouths on some very young children. I'm shocked that parents allow them to speak to adults the way they do. Children talk back and speak with such disrespectful attitude. And parents allow this, saying they are exercising their right to express themselves. We must allow them to be individuals and not interfere with their sense of self. Hogwash! Parents are excusing their own laziness to guide their children, teach them, train them properly and discipline them.

I'm sorry if this offends anyone - no I'm not sorry, this is my story - I have little patience left for rude children. I avoid the ones I don't have to deal with, and give myself time-outs to refocus when I have to deal with the others.

CagedRaven CagedRaven 46-50, F 56 Responses Aug 3, 2009

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And what is wrong with being a teacher because you want a job or the job provides good health benefits? Why do so many people have the idea that a teacher has to be some kind of masochistic saint in order to be a teacher? What a load of baloney! Don't teachers have the right to be human also? In case you hadn't noticed we live in a capitalist world that revolves around money. You need money to do just about everything. Everyone needs money--even teachers need money. So why should any teacher feel embarrased because they chose to teach because they want a job or want health insurance?

especailly in this day and age

and you don't want your kid listening to every adult and you bring up a good point when the adults are out of line... hello or when tthey've been strapped to a desk too long

exactly- and another thing the "rude" kid is the kid who won't follow their freinds aand do drugs and other risky activies

well too bad that was so convoluded no one could understand what you said unless they have a phd in sociology <br />
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the commenter who said that adults/teachers have to earn their (the kids) respect is the one who is the most on point <br />
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i wonder what would happen if the author commanded respect and instead of demanding it or in this case with this story doing the written equivelent of jumping up and down screamimg i want respect <br />
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what would happen if the author relovutionized her classroom (schools everywhere need this but lets stick to the point) engaged the students in what they were learning made it relevent to their lives made it interesting and fun to learn<br />
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rather than saying sit here and listen to me <br />
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what would happen if everything that was taught was taught in each of the 3-4 learning styles including the kenestetic learners who learn best by doing things(the younger kids learn best by doing anyway and the more you allow them to move and be rather than findinding ways to strap them to a desk<br />
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rather than catering to the visual and auditory learners <br />
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what would happen if we stopped teaching like its still the industreal age and taught in the infrmation age intigrated technology and more importantly things in these children's fr<x>ame of refrence using examples from the things kids like to teach every subject <br />
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what would happen if the author did these things to earn the kids respect- catered to the intelligence level of the kids rather than ordering them around <br />
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what would happen is there would be far less problems and much more learning but the problem is the author and everyone else here is too busy being applaauled by behavior to try and REACH the kids too busy locked into the lack of respect to try a differnet appoach too loked into 20-50 years ago its too much of a blow to their ego to do anything ele <br />
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and the most desterbing part is that instead of getting another job teaching ESL or aadul litercy or only teachng special needs kids they are going to continue as they are now even though they show classic signs of burn out to the detrement of the kids

I should mention that was in reply to tulick somehow that part got edited out.<br />
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I will also mentionj that in the case of children who have gone through trauma i have know many children growing up who went through everything and anything the children growing up now have or could go through. Including rape, witness to murder, insestual molestation and so on and so on. None of those children were the rude kids some serious issues yes, even more so in adult hood if not dealt with. If anyone of the tragedies i would say it was more often the child of alcoholics who were rude bratty kids. Which goes back to what i was saying parents as role models.

As futile as this is, and i know it is i have been in metal bands for the last 12 years and know well how angry people generically behave. <br />
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I think the most ironic part of this whole thread is that what is going on is almost a perfect example of what is being discussed.<br />
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People can express themselves just fine with in the boundaries of respect and politeness. There are some cases say when debating merits of christianity between an athiest and a christian extremist that the boundaries need to be re-measured. Its not about fitting a mold so that we all have the same behavior with no voice or no creativity, but keeping a grounding base to work off of social interaction so that each rightly so can go about living their lives without harm. <br />
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In the modern american capitalist society which has infected most of the world the social contract does have a propensity to allow the most vicious predator an advantage by stepping on everyone else to get what they want. It is though almost the antithesis of what civilization is meant to be. Now, i do also understand that children should not be forced to respect adults on the sole basis that they are adults, with in boundaries. Such as but not limited to that they may not have to do everything every adult tells them but they like everyone else do not have the right to cause harm to another. People should have respect for everything until the thing in question deserves to loose that respect. We are assuming in this story the author has done nothing to loose respect and that the children are undisciplined brats. Here are some things to consider, maybe you already have your obviously not stupid. <br />
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1. It is a parents duty to teach the child how to be an adult.Not force them to miss childhood but teach them along the way. This is disciplining a child. If a parent is not willing to do this they ought not to have children. A parent may do so by three ways: punishment, teaching and leading by example. A parent has the duty to do this because ultimately what the parent does will partially/possibly dictate how the child is as an adult. Which is very important to the evolution of society, and i desperately want that to happen, as an angry and creative person im sure you do also as most people would like to see the world evolve to a better place.<br />
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2. As an adult you need to adhere to the social contract. You may choose to not adhere to the social contract but you are waving your right to be a part of society and therefore should leave said society to find one that better suits your wants. You have the right to change the social contract as does everyone by going through the appropriate measures. This is harder and harder to do politically unless your from a family of influence (which happens to mostly be money currently) though many people find creative means and have been successful in so doing. Most parts of the world the social contract is very wide and allows much room with in its boundaries for diversity otherwise we will not evolve very well.<br />
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3.As i said before and i will reiterate. We are coming to the point where we have so many stupid laws that should not be and distract people from learning all of the laws that actually count. Why? because people are for some reason making consequences dictate their actions. Reward and punishment are the lowest forms of education. Parental politics is not ideal political policy but is there in place because people dont care unless it directly effects them with reward or consequences. This is likely because of how their parents raised them. The cycle continues and worsens, it does not get better through the same mechanism that made it go awry in the first place.<br />
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In conclusion we are at a point where parents need to evolve their understanding of parenting and society in turn needs to evolve. Our children only know what they learn from us, they are little mirrors of our societies sickness that is running rampant, largely due in my opinion out of necessity for money and diet. It has been said that civilization is set up to protect the week. I disagree i believe society is set up for us to co-exist and work together, to live, be happy and prosper together. Then the modern predator takes advantage of our boundaries, there is no honor in such actions and these actions are once again a mirror of a sickness in a sick society that is set up to benefit those said predators as it is also or tries to be also set up for the non predatory of us.. It does not mean that it is ok for people to get stepped on and taken advantage of but we will never evolve past that if we teach our children how to do it better.<br />
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I am of course making many generalizations and i apologize to anyone who feels like they should not be placed in some category, it is merely to save space and is not intended to reflect any individuals who i obviously do not know. <br />
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I hope it makes sense it is hours past my bedtime and im sure half of those are run on sentences but im a little cross eyed right now.

yes they do this is from a circle mmber of mine <br />
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"oh jeez, great message there:<br />
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let's teach kids to never have their own voices, let's make sure they start out feeling lost and stay that way<br />
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allowing them to speak for themselves would just be the worst thing ever<br />
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and then we find out in the part i'm reading now that she teaches kids with special needs??????<br />
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all the more reason to not be labeling them "rude" and referring to her "dwindling patience"<br />
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just read the comment that suggested you weren't qualified to comment because you don't have kids yourself<br />
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i think if any of these people were actually bright enough to understand what they were saying they'd see that they need some help here<br />
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whereas what you're saying actually makes sense<br />
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holy **** these people are insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />
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love how that undertone person tells you to "go play in the sandbox because the big people are having a discussion"<br />
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um, if it's immaturity they're after then why not take a look at their own damn comments?????"<br />
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so i'm not the only one who thinks you are all around the bend

CR, I know you've withdrawn yourself from this thread(which saddens me to think that one person can bully another so), but I just wanted to say that I appreciate your standpoint on this(as I taught preschool for 8 years, and am active in my daughters schooling) and have myself, raised two well behaved, open minded, free-thinking, and very individual children. There is a difference between stifling children, and teaching them respect and discipline. It's a tough balance, but it can be done, and it's just sad to see how much rarer it is for people to instill those basics ideals into their children's growth. Thank you for the story.

A lot of children get a way with a lot of things. Sadly a lot of people my age are having children and they still think that consequences should dictate actions. It literally runs throughout most aspects of society and is showing in our children.<br />
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Consequences to actions is an aspect of discipline just as sitting a child down and talking to them about why they ought not to behave a certain way is (assuming the parent has the capability to understand why they shouldn't).<br />
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Thought i would throw that in there.<br />
Boy is this the longest thread you've seen on ep, it is mine. Way to go!!.

treat people with respect and you get walked on taken advaantage of abused and sometimes dead

I happen to agree with Raven on this one. Courtesy and respect are not optional. <br />
There is a local news story that has resurface.d A couple years ago a high school girl was suspended for her behavior towards authority in the school. There was much debate over whether or not the punishment was too harsh. <br />
Fast forward: she has now completed one year of college and this weekend she made the news again. <br />
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The police were called because her and family members were arguing and causing a public disturbance. She was arrested for hitting a police officer. In my opnion this young woman has no respect for authority or anyone for that matter. Somewhere along the line she got the impression that it was okay to treat people this way. I only hope she learns this lesson soon. <br />
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The world doesn't care what your problems are. Treat people with respect and courtesy and they will treat you the same. Treating people poorly has NEVER gotten me anywhere.

godsmack666- not as old as reading the same old argements by people who haven't figured it out- its here to stay get used to it

the logical argeument is when a kid is so ingraain with respect they do not speak up when repermanded about homework thats not theirs <br />
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when 20 years later it happens at work <br />
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the logical argument was the little boy who went off with a complete stranger because his teacher told him to (i guess if he kid had ended up dead you would see my point) <br />
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the logical argument is illistrated in dead poet society of what respect also does to people<br />
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the logical aregument is in how many junkies and so on were sexually abused and turned to drugs to cope <br />
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the thing the author fails to realize as well as all those commenting here is that kids who act the way you all are decribing are the ones being beaten raped emtionally abused and god knows what else behind closed doors at home the babbysitters neighbors, whereever <br />
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the problem with the folks here is you don't know and you don't care whats going on you just don't wanna deal with it

Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to read and comment on this story. I think this discussion has more than run its course. It saddens me that people can't discuss opposing sides of an argument in a RATIONAL manner: without bringing up matters that have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC, without twisting the words that have been posted, and without personally attacking the speakers. In a discussion about respect, I think it is important to remember to address each other with respect. <br />
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I wrote a story about disrespect in children. I posted my opinion about it, as is my right. I don't expect that everyone will agree with me, but I don't accept being attacked for my opinion, nor do I want to read about others being attacked for theirs.<br />
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Some angry statements have been written that have nothing to do with this topic, and as this is no longer a discussion, but a mud-slinging contest, I am withdrawing from this thread.<br />
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Thanks again for reading and participating. I wish you all a good day.

Tulick, your broken record is getting old.

yes to giude them to the next pedifile waiting to harm them or to zero assurtiveness or did you not read the examples or do you just not care

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well the sandbox knows there are not replacement parts for microwaves or that you do not go underan existing house to put in phonewire unlike the 69 year old who told me otherwise but replaced their TV without skipping a beat <br />
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the sandbox knows hiting a kid teaches them to hit from watching it in action in my own livingroom with my freid and her 4 year old <br />
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the sandbox knows that the spank happy generation haad kids who just didn't get caught did everything to avoid a beating or in the hay day of manners and greatness the 50's and 60's alchoholis was the coping mechnism for such a stiff society <br />
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and anyone who thinks thats a good thing the stiff society go watch the movie dead poet society

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that may be the meaning od dicipline but that news to the people commenting here manners are more likely to get you killed than they are anything else more likely to find you in a shrinks office than anything else <br />
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when you CAN"T speaak up to your teacher and say thats not my paper or person X hit person Y first and person Y was defending themselves nothing more <br />
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when it translates into work where people can't say to their boss this isn't my mistake you see the initlals here its so and so- thats a paprpharse of a story found right here on EP <br />
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or my freind and her 4 year old who hits his bother imitating mommy and daddy who spank <br />
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or the same kid who hits his mom and is yes reperrmanded but watching it its like he hits because you hit him DAH !

phinix- yeah the neandertthal hit hit hit corwd as if tha is a rolemodel to have that dude has a nursing home and besore in his future- justice is sweet <br />
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and just because someone is older dosen't mean you should listen to them olderr people are notorieous for idoicy <br />
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and do you know why kids no longer respect their elders BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING TO RESPECT you know why most kids think people over 30 are out there gone and worthless BECAUSE too many ARE i hve worked with too many people edging toward 50 and 60 working for agencies that they could not keep basic faacts in their head they had no flipping idea how to do ther job and appear generaly stupid because the elders don't listen to the kids so why should the kids d the same so many kids have it more together than their parents its not funny <br />
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you have something to offer basic decency is one thing but then again why are you going to be overly nice to some guy who can't get your order right or pocess basic facts afrtrer you've told them 10 times or place them atop your file as not to keep aking them in agencies where you maake an appointment and they know you are comming <br />
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why aare you going to saay anything other than hold it lady or hey man when the person charged with helping you starts spouting inccuaries or seems to have little or no knowledge of what they are suppoed to <br />
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why is a kid or teen going to listen to older person who says there are replcemnet parts for mcorwaves but knows they must replace a burt out TV (showcsing gentral awareness of tyechnology) WHEN THEY KNOW BETTER why are they going to listen when they are told the phone guy must go under the house/appartment to put in new line WHEN THEY KNOW BETTER <br />
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then when the teen says no way man and tries to drop it the older person only becomes more insistaant then wonders why they get dirty looks and aren't called mr. Ms. or ma'am which you can be respectful without and people and kids do but still have to contend with the griping <br />
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if you want respect<br />
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#1 Stop whinking like a petullent two yeaar old jumping up and down screaming i want respect (thats what this is a written version of) <br />
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#2 KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT or prefce it with when i did mine this is what happened or whn ssuch and such had to do it this is how DO NOT over use the pharse when i was your age or when i got my first job they just stop listening because it is too far from what they deal with and odds are you've been taking too long <br />
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3 if you are going to talk to teens about the timeless things in life FIRST KNOW ABOUT THEIR WORLD AND KNOW THEM then you can make valid points and comparissons <br />
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4 AND MOST IMPORTANT BE RESPECTBLE- practice what you preach haave you act together no drugs excessive drinking don't be a grouchy *** then demand respect don't tell a kid the vaule of work when you haven't held a job most of your life because you won't try (not o be confused with bad luck disability or other issue) don't beat your wife or kids or be cold and aloof and then yammer about respect <br />
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kids/teen have a very highly tuned BS meter an hypocrite meter they won't listen to anything that smells like either one

you all just don't get it you all want your butts kissed and the kids today are too intelligent for that and itas all of you who have problems not them

you mean in western society where with the educations they do have they still can't get jobs <br />
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examinations or no its not a matter of knowlege its a matter of expeience and a lack of inrnernships a lack of ways to get your foot in the door no matter what you know <br />
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so you waanna try again and i love the people who think kids does wrong you hit them- you all make me think of nedanderthals with clubs in their hands <br />
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AndrewPenney- if you want to viewm my commemts you can all you have to do is click on show or view whatever option it but thats not what you want <br />
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and come talk to me all of you when your kid is abused by someone better yet go talk to the victims of such things go tell them how you made your kids into robots who didn't know how to yell or scream or do anything <br />
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how many women do you all know who are people pleasers who don't know how to say no or be aassuritive who have all kinds of problems precicely in paart to the "manners and respect" they were taught <br />
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the problem with what you all want to teach is the kid who gets repermaned by a teacher for something they did wrong on a paper and they don't have the guts to say that thats not their paper and what happens when the same thing carries over to work<br />
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but by all means chapoin respect no matter what is suffered because of it

Thanks Analyzer. And I agree with you that communication is key. And yes, by the time they start stretching their wings, they WILL make some wrong choices; they need to. That's how they learn. But you see, you are guiding your son back to the good choices, teaching him that wrong choices have consequences. Often times in 7th and 8th grade, kids are showing off for their peers. I'm shocked to see the blatant disregard for authority in the earlier grades, and when parents are notified, to hear the excuses they give.

Exactly, courtesy and good manners, that's what I'm talking about. I'm a little on the heavy side. Well, I had a grade 4 boy call me Fat Albert's wife. I didn't disrespect him before or after this incident. In fact, I think he was shocked that I didn't react. I pulled him aside and quietly told him that his behaviour was disrespectful, and that in future he was to "speak with good purpose" (that's the phrase we use at school).

And I can tell you, FUIA, in 22 years things haven't gotten better they are definitely worse. The example you shared, is what I see all the time. And it breaks my heart. I'm not really talking about the attitude from the intermediate students, but these are 6, 7, and 8 year old kids. I think it's sad. And in the long run, it will only hurt them, if they grow up to be cynical adults, lashing out on a society that they feel owes them something. Not realizing that negative attitudes and behaviours reap negative repercussions.

Hawlemnyair, thank you for your comment. I'm sorry that you had some bad teachers; I know they ARE out there. But for the most part, they are not abusers out to GET the children. I have seen the love and energy and personal time that many many teachers have put into their students out of a genuine caring for them. This wasn't meant to be the topic of this story, but as it was brought up earlier that "adults weren't respectable authority", I just had to add that. The behaviours we are seeing in children today, cannot be "blamed on" or pin-pointed to one cause. I understand that there has been a shift in society in regards to parenting styles, parent/child rights, acceptable guidance/discipline. But again, this story wasn't really about blame, although quite a bit of blame was being slung on me. Thanks for understanding the whole point of my story.<br />
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Solateedo, as this is not a personal fight, I won't even address your mud-slinging comments about my ego or my pride. <br />
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Lorraine, thank you for your comment. I was born in England and my parents were schooled with the British system in the West Indies. This type of disrespect was unheard of. After homeschooling my children and going back into the public school system, I was shocked to see how children were "allowed" to behave. And yes, I too believe that it is cultural. You also made a very valid point about boundaries. In our school the intermediate students have been exhibitting all manner of immoral behaviours and not even the principal and vice principal have successfully set boundaries that they can socially and legally enforce. The children know this, so they continuously step across the line.<br />
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EllainLove, I admire you for the work you do in the homes. I did spend time in my career doing that also. Thank you for understanding the whole point of this story. It wasn't to lay blame, just to acknowledge that the problem is there.<br />
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Andrew, thank you for sharing about your nephew. And for sharing that it IS possible to raise a well-balanced child today, who is respectful and mannerly. I raised two of them on my own. My son is a 30 year old wonderful gentleman, and my daughter is a 26 year old fine and delightful lady. They are both intelligent, loving people, and a joy to be around. I taught them to respect authority. That doesn't mean that ALL adults are going to be "good", and I'm sorry you had some teachers that were not so wonderful. But as you said, you learned from them because you were taught to be respectful.

Tulick, when children are rude and disrespectful, they are not in learning mode. It becomes difficult to give them an education so they can get on with their lives.<br />
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In Japan, education is highly sought after, and teachers are paid very little, so parents demand their children respect the person so willing to work in a low paid job, to give the child his start in life.<br />
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It is so much easier to teach these youngsters, and I feel they gain so much more for their years in school than western children. Certainly the Japanese would win an examination's race hands down.<br />
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I have always believed children want you to "prove" you love them, which is why they test the boundaries. Parents have lost the right to "warm their tail" if they misbehave. Thus children know not where the boundaries are.

and the problem is you see that as a good thing

I have been a school teacher for 35 years, both here in Australia and in Japan.<br />
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I have found that children are mouthy these days, more than when i began my career.<br />
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I think it is because all children like to test the boundaries, and when they put their big toes over the line these days we don't have the authority to nip it in the bud anymore...teachers or parents...the welfare system even says you can't keep them in class during recess instead of playing. There is no reason to respect authority anymore.<br />
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Having said that, I believe it is cultural. The children in Japan would not even "think" some of the things western kids say to adults, let alone teachers.

are you aware the last paragraph doesn't make sense aand i will tell you now read my latest story once its posted

I agree with you completely Raven there are some serious parental issues going on. <br />
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I for one was a respectful child but i was also a hellion and very rebellious, but i could still go to a friends house for dinner and their parents enjoyed it/ didn't mind. <br />
I learned excellent ways of expressing myself and protecting myself without being a rude snotty little brat and in so had a better relationship with other people despite some horrible circumstances. It also lead to me being an intelligent revolutionary mind, not some idiot who thinks anarchy is a chaotic rioting in the streets and such but someone who knows what responsible individualism is.<br />
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I only told two teachers to F___ off, both times they actually deserved it. Once a teacher was trying to pick a fist fight with a friend of mine, my friend was a gentle person i on the other hand could take on 20 other children my age and the teacher had seen this. We had bad teachers i myself was picked up by the throat in kindergarten for saying oww when another child elbowed me in the ribs while the teacher was talking and many friends had their faces slammed into lockers. THis holds no reasoning in my mind that you deserve any sort of rude treatment.<br />
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So my point is that yes it is understandable that there is a level of mistrust with my generation and authority. I will say though that pop culture has completely glorified this and has come up with no way of alleviation that makes the situation any better. Listening to the over sexualized and amount of lack of respect in popular music is an excellent example. <br />
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If you look at studies on parenting now a days you will see that whining children are much more likely to get what they want now then they would have 50 years ago. This is largely to do with diet, discipline and lack of time spent with parents.<br />
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To tulick, it sounds like you have some serious issues to work out. I hope for your sake you get over this idea of the world you have though it may benefit you occasionally it is not going to be something you can look back on when your older and be happy with the way your life went and how you felled during it.

...as is ignorance and arrogance ;)

if only that were true

Dearest Lilly, thank you so much for your kind words. But you know they will fall on deaf ears. This woman knows nothing about me or what I do, she knows nothing of the love and compassion I have for children, even the rude ones. Nowhere did I ever disrespect them, even in my story. So my issue really isn't with Tulick. She is speaking out of sheer ignorance.

well if you read my comment you'll notice the word IF i said IF the kids you were talking about were speciaal needs or did you miss that part??

haas nothing to do with lack of respect for self it has to do with being so ingrained with the respect authority montra you don't know how to stand up to anyone

If you must know, I wasn't even talking about the special needs kids in my classroom. I was referring to the other children in the school. The special needs children are not a problem. But Tulick, you assume that I am not suitable for the job I have. At least I have a job. I graduated and DID get work in my field, contrary to what you mentioned earlier. Of course in my last message, I was being sarcastic. But even that you used as an excuse to fire off more bitterness. But if you will notice, I have not once attacked you personally. I have respected you and your opinion, as misguided as it has been. So I will peacefully and quietly ask you to respect mine, on MY STORY, or leave.

i didn't make it such a personal issue for myself i just know what being everyone's verson of respecful has goten me- nothing but walked on and betrayed <br />
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and no i don't think that if these kids are special needs she should be writhing this at all as it would be a number of disorders and behavioral aspects your dealing with

so let me get this streight she's dealing with specail needs kids and saying this <br />
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someone fire her and fast

no how bout we ban thinking like thinking like this and you get a differnt caareer or job anything but this

I'm going to bed now too.<br />
Good night Pokhara. Good night Tulick.

Tulick, I say we just blame the parents for having the children in the first place. Who gives them the right to bring children into such a hostile environment, where everything and everybody is against them? Where they can't make a living, so they are doomed to a life of failure. And because YOU were betrayed, it means no one cares for ANY of these children. Let's ban sex all together, and procreation. Let's make genocide law and castration mandatory. Now that's nipping the problem in the bud!

Don't you get tired of repeating the same crap over and over again.Go back and look at every comment you have ever made here."Just My Luck". I have a brother that says that all the time.You quote the past continually.Hey,I had crap for a childhood,sexually abused,had an alchoholic father that told me I was worthless.I didn't use that for an excuse.I had to kick myself but I have had a great adult life and feel good about what I accomplished.Give it a try,Tulick,before it's too late and stop whining about what could have been.<br />
Teachers do care.I had some great ones and I know some great ones.<br />
I'm going to bed.You tire me out with your negativity.

and why should they want to learn because their most likely job opportunity will be flipping burgers because even if they are smart and capable enough to do well great or exellent in school either they don't get enough in finaciaal aid to go to college they don't quallify for enough in scholarships to go or their parents make jusrt enough that they get no aid not enough to send their kid themselves <br />
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for those who do graduate good luck finding a simple job because the bottom will have fallen out of your feild or you will lack the on the job experrience needed to break into your feild so forget that and when you go for something more practical you have no exoerience in clerical lets say either no community training in it or it's a prgram employers don't like so forget a job again and then when you apply to filp burgers because you have a college education or even some college forget it your over quaallified <br />
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so tell me again why they would want to learn<br />
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believe it or not i speak from experience i was the respecful kid and all i got was walked on right up till laater in life when i said this isn't working when i had been bretayed by everything i belived in including the stuff you all chapoin here so yeah i say who cares when i read this stuff

Dear Tulick,Have you ever had a positive moment in your life.The teachers I know are dedicated.All they want is to teach.How can they if they have children that are disrespectful and don't want to learn.<br />
So instead of doing something useful we should all throw up our hands and say what's the use like you have done for how many years.

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its you who needs to get a life if only the maajority of teachers were their because they wanted to be and not for the health benfits or because it is a job <br />
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and why should kids do anything we tell them as when they do they get nothing not even a functional livable life so what again is the point??

LOL....sorry, I just noticed how many times I said you are right :o)

Pokhara, that's exactly my point. We are seeing this more than we used to see it. And you are right, we can't teach the children without their respect. This concerns me about the next generation coming up. These are our adults of tomorrow: foul mouthed, ill-tempered, little brats. And you're right, it's not ALL.

Tulik,you know what I'm sick of? You.You must live in a cage because everything is someone elses fault.These are serious people who are trying to teach children in an atmosphere that has been ruined in the children's homes by letting bad behavior run amuck.How do you teach children when you get no respect.I see it all the time when I shop.Not with all children but more than I used to see.Parents have become too busy to be with their kids and it shows.<br />
Everyone ***** foots around with you.Grow up and realize what's going on around you.Teachers are there because they want to teach and not be baby sitters to smart mouth brats.<br />
I know,now you'll come back with your wow-is-me stories.Get a life!

Ummmm......no thanks. I actually care about the kids I work with, that's why I respect them and pull myself away at times, so I won't react to their rudeness.

then find another occupation because that trend toward rudeness is a survival skill

Well I was speaking from experience, not from some made up general terms. And teaching a child to scream when a stranger is trying to harm them is one thing, excusing a child when they tell their teacher "screw you" when asked to sit in their desk, is another. You have every right to accept the ones with the mouth. All I was saying in my post is that in all my years of working with children I am seeing the trend toward rudeness and disrespect getting worse. And for this my patience is dwindling.

i was speaking in general terms not of you or where you work specifically<br />
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and on the whole most adults aren't rspecable anymore and sure we want to teach our kids how not to scream or yell when they think they are in danger <br />
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sure we want to teach or kids to respect authority so much that one kid was sent home with a complete stranger obeying hs teachers instuctions luckly for the kid the man was a confused grandfather who got the wrong child and not a pedifle <br />
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but oh yes we should teach our kids respect when even the father of Elisibeth Smart is on Oprah talking about teaching kids when to scream and yell <br />
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and hell yes in todays world i'll take the ones with the mouth as opposed to the alternitive

Thank you, FUIA. I thought my point was clear. And I found it interesting that she (Tulick) immediately assumed that the adults were disrespecting the children and not worthy of respect from the children. She doesn't even KNOW the adults at the school where I work.

Oh dear, why didn't I think of that before? All the disrespect from all these children is my fault! Oh but wait, I DID say I wasn't reacting to it. Funny, somebody must have missed something somewhere.<br />
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Thank you Lilly. Contrary to Tulick's comment, I never did say that I EVER disrespect any of these children.

ok why should we teach them to be resptful of adults who are not respectable authority that is not respecble why should we teach them not to have a mouth on them as the alternitive is prey and doormat <br />
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don't react to it and the kid will stop doing it