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I Hate Hawaii

The worst place I have ever lived. Never have I experienced a group of such self rightous people who expect others to be so beholden to them, yet claim the reason why they dislike "outsiders" is because they are arrogant. I find simply being kind and open is the way to go, always. Not here. If you are not local, meaning you have lived there forever, forget getting a decent (still crappy in comparison to what you can do elsewhere, not limited to the mainland) job. I think they wear living there for years as a badge of honor because it is sucks so much, it is an endurance contest. I have never been to a place where people introduce themselves by how long they have lived there, Really. Who cares. The longer you live in Hawaii, the crazier you become. I am an educated person who has held a professional job for some years, and decided to move out to Hawaii with my fiancee to start our new lives together. After much planning and saving, off we went to begin our future. I have lived and travelled all over the world, so I figured I could make it anywhere. This still holds true. I can make it anywhere. But damn did I hate Hawaii, and I wouldn't want to live there if it were free.

First, while I appreciate cultures in all shapes and styles, I will say the culture of Hawaii doesn't have a whole lot to capture my interest. I do not find the inability to spell or speak English (should it be the speakers primary language of course) acceptable by any means. And yes, I probably have some errors in here, but please, don't bother being trivial by pointing them out, you get the point. I do not find the local color charming by any means. To me, it is base.

Second, The weather claims to be so beautiful. Bull. It is blazing hot, monotonous, humid and no matter how many showers I took, I felt dirty. My fiancee and I always woke up in a pool of sweat and we couldn't even fall asleep in each others arms anymore because it was too damn hot. Why not run the AC you ask? Because our electric bill was 300 bucks a month and that is just running a couple of fans and really trying to conserve energy in our 900 dollar a month studio shithole. Of course my college degree not only did not matter but was basically frowned upon (what, she thinks she is better than us??), I found myself working the WORST job of my life. You have to work there YEARS just to be a waiter, and the waiters would not even talk to me because I was just so lowly. Seriously, to be shunned by waiters at a crappy job was just too much. Plus I busted my *** and made the worst money I have made since high school. Ughh. Just writing this gets me heated. I wouldn't feel so demeaned working hard at a low paying job if there was a sense of family, but there wasn't. I was a serf and treated as such. Bullshit I say. NEVER, not because I am better, but because I would never treat someone like that no matter what they were doing.

Third, Rock fever, man. I have to see more than just what is Hawaiin. I need a rest from it. A reprieve. Not happening. All Hawaii, all the time. It is enough to make me want to slit my wrists. I like museums, art is a vise to me, seeing shows, going to a reading, a concert, whatever. I need that stuff like I need water. If you just want to sit on a beach and talk about nothing all day while slaughtering the English language, Hawaii is for you. Not me. If anyone local reads this, all I can say is, it is truly your loss. I have dedicated my life to helping others who move to the States figure it out and get comfortable. It is my occupation. Perhaps this is why I am so sensitive to such an attitude coming from people who have no right to have one. Island hillbillys I call you. Get some education and then maybe I will think your point is valid. Otherwise, enjoy your crappy lives.
realaloha realaloha 31-35, F 47 Responses Nov 1, 2012

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Why so serious? Don't people pick up and leave when they don't like where they're at? Move on and forget about it... So dramatic.

For starters, I have noticed that almost everyone "defending" Hawaii is under 21. You all are not adults yet. Your testicles have not fully descended and you don't have hair over your genitals or armpits. You have not experienced adult life. You do not know how hard it is to survive in Hawaii on a wage that's barely above the minimum wage AND make all your bill payments on time. One person said their parents did it: I'm sure they did, but that was when prices were lower. Things change. Still, most of you cannot legally drink, smoke or drive. This is an adult conversation. Act like an adult or go outside and surf/have sex/make babies/smoke weed/smoke ice/butcher the English language/complain about the US/white people and basically keep the stereotype alive.

With that being said, there are some nice things about Hawaii, but humans had very little to do with them. This is not a forum about the rights, but the wrongs about Hawaii. I am being realistic. People in Hawaii love to bury their heads in the sand and pretend a problem does not exist until it becomes such a problem that they MUST pay attention. The rail is a prime example. They had since 1970 to get it built but didn't start to near 2010. The cost rose dramatically as did the traffic.

I have lived in Hawaii and on the mainland and in most respects, the mainland is better hands down. Hawaii has it beat for scenic vistas, but that's about it. People here think they have a monopoly on friendliness. You all do not. Minnesota Nice and Southern Hospitality are both far better than "aloha". All "aloha" is (nowadays) is a word used to sell things. People here are very rude and inconsiderate. You all don't hold doors for each other, your punk kids won't move for pregnant or elderly people on the bus and they never say "please" or "thank you".

People here think the mainland is more violent. That's not true. You all think the mainland is more violent because people shoot each other while here on the 'aina, they fight. Guess what, if you fight someone and they fall and crack their head on concrete and then die, YOU WILL BE CHARGED WITH MURDER JUST AS IF YOU SHOT SOMEONE. Of course, given Hawaii's terrible public schools which always rate near the bottom with intellectual hubs such as Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas and Washington DC, I can see how no one knows this. The worst inner city school on the mainland is still better than the average Hawaii school. And apparently, when building these schools in Hawaii, no one thought to install air conditioning so the kids could learn in their 30-student-per-teacher classes. I was absolutely shocked to see how dumb some of these high school seniors are. Most of these kids can't find New York on a map. Of course the reasoning is because they "don't need to know" or "won't ever go" which brings me to the absolute lack of ambition among the people. That's nothing to be proud of, guys. If you all have no ambition, why are you going to school in the first place? You all delude yourselves daily with this "Hawaii is the best" nonsense and this mentality of just being happy with what you've got. That's a slave mentality. Where are we, Alabama in 1834? Appreciate what you've got and try to do better.

The state government here is completely impotent and corrupt. They hardly bother to hide it now. Anyone who thought the US was bad when Bush was president ought to try eight years in Hawaii. Then you will see why they ought to be happy to be part of the United States. Your fellow Americans, brah, are holding this place together. Realize that if it was not for the American military, there would be virtually no economy here. Yes, you have tourism but do you know what happens to a place that depends on one single thing for money? Look at Detroit: when the auto industry left, the city went straight downhill. If there was no military in Hawaii and tourism stopped (which could easily happen), then where would you all be? Up the creek without a paddle! Hawaii has the triple whammy of being remote, not having resources and not investing in its future (poor education). You can look at the comments by the under 21 year olds here and see how bad the education is. Pidgin is a *dialect*, not a language. It has no place in public education (UH allows papers to be submitted in pidgin... 10 steps backwards, UH).

Local hypocrisy is also astounding. You all meet 20 bad mainlanders and assume that's how the entire mainland is. Judging 312 million (312,000,000) by 20. Again, your crappy educational system shows up. You all are not taught to reason. Maybe that's your crappy culture. Hawaiian culture, as in the culture of the people that were here before the whites showed up, maybe worth studying, but local culture is almost as ignorant as ghetto culture. You all are unaware of that fact that there is more than a city called Las Vegas on the North American continent. The world is moving towards a knowledge based economy and locals are still dragging their knuckles and trying to stay in the past (fighting the windpower windmills, fighting the rail, fighting democracy in favor of restoration of the monarchy, etc.). Many local men dominate and beat their women (inexcusable) and in fact, when presented with a difficult situation, the first thing most locals want to do is fight. How is that different from ghetto trash on the mainland going for a gun when presented with a different situation? It is not different! This ignorant ghetto mentality is passed down from generation to generation. And just like with poor people all over the world, they have kids when they are far too young to understand the mental, physical, emotion and financial responsibilities of having children. You have kids that are poor and ignorant having kids that grow up to be poor and ignorant. Pat yourself on the back, Hawaii.

Then there's the economics: the average wage in Hawaii hasn't changed in decades but the cost of living has shot up like a rocket. How can any working person afford a house that costs more than $500,000? Thirty and forty year mortgages? Is this a joke? The "American Dream" is impossible to earn in Hawaii unless you are rich.

And the best part is the racism of Hawaii. Yes there is racism in Hawaii and mostly it is directed at white people. That is obvious. What is not obvious is the intra-racial racism. In Hawaii, despite what people say, whites and Japanese are at the top. In fact, a child that is hapa-haole stands a good chance of living a good life in Hawaii. Go to Corporate Honolulu and look at what all the CEOs are. They are white, Japanese, Chinese or white-Japanese. No Filipinos, Samoans, or Hawaiians. The same applies to management, although you may see a black, Hispanic or Indian there, but only if they are from the mainland. Mainlanders have a MUCH BETTER work ethic than locals because mainlanders have to worried about getting fired. Locals are all related to each other and hire based on family and friends (corruption again) and not merit (because they are crappy workers and would never get hired if they to be hired on their performance). Anyway, the white-Japanese establishment sets the rules for society and that helps keep the non-Asians down. The non-Asians are too stupid to realize this and that Establishment is sure to pump out the "lucky you live Hawaii" propaganda. Lucky for THEM since they are ruling this corrupt totalitarian oligarchy. Take a good look at local television or print media (the limited amount that is available because locals don't read at all). All the people in the pictures are going to be lighter skin toned individuals. No descendant of Kamehameha would be in a modern Hawaii fashion magazine, that's for sure.

What's funny is that all these locals hate white people, but guess who didn't? The House of Kamehameha! That red, white and blue flag that is the state flag was chosen by Kamehameha I himself. His entire family were anglophiles. That's why the British flag is on the Hawaiian flag and a main street in Honolulu is "Beretania" which is the Hawaiian transliteration of "Britain" and almost all of the royal family after Kamehameha I had British first names. That rasta-colored flag was never an official Hawaiian flag. Learn your history. It also wasn't "peaceful" before Kamehameha became king. It was very violent as Polynesians are a warlike people. Again young locals, learn your history.

Obviously every local isn't like that, but the overwhelming majority are. Driving through Waianae is like driving through Compton. Local culture is lazy, arrogant, violent, corrupt, fearing change and poorly-educated. You have very little to take pride in. Aside from Obama, WHO LEFT AND NEVER CAME BACK, who from Hawaii has done anything of note to benefit humanity? Surfing and hula don't count, sorry. How does Hawaii top any other state? Education? No. Economy? No. Scientific output? No. Wealth? No. Resource extraction? No. Lowest crime? No. Low drug use? No. So what exactly tanigble thing do you do better than the mainland other than complain? Nothing. That's your culture. If you don't like it, do something to improve it -- something other than trying to fight someone.

This is a topic that really gets me fired up. My parents are from the mainland, met on Oahu, married on a military ba<x>se on the mainland, had me and moved back when I was 5 months old. Those ridiculous 5 months I spent as a newborn would prevent me from being a true "local". I was blond haired, blue eyed, and freckled. It is impossible for me to tan and my self loathing began around age 4 when my mom picked me up from hula lessons and I told her the girls had informed me I could not dance the hula because I didn't have brown skin and black hair. In preschool one of my clearest memories was a Hawaiian girl ripping me off my tricycle and yelling that I was a stupid hauoli. She would tell me to "go home". For years I couldn't understand what they were talking about? My house? Why would I go home? My parents put me in private school to protect me and give me a decent education since the public school system is terrible because the DOE is insanely corrupt as is the government. In elementary school I was called ghost because my skin was so white, hauoli. I was sensitive and would cry to my dad who felt terrible but there wasn't a lot he could do. I guess you could say there is bullying everywhere. The horrifying thing is that these racial slurs were thrown out with defiance and pride. They were taught this as extremely young children. Their parents had either taught them and/or said these things themselves. The locals, I won't call them Hawaiians because many aren't even Hawaiian, are more like the Southern White racist red necks than any other group I've encountered. They do not embrace education, they cling to the past and stifle any individuality their children may exhibit so they will be doomed to the same fate as their parents and never get out of the vicious cycle. I hated those children but of course now realize as a parent, that their parents took away their innocence and love for other children and fun, and taught them hate and loathing truly ba<x>sed on the color of my skin. They were not taught to be kind to others, they were taught to despise hauolis, not to play with hauolis. That is the crime and Hawaii, in my opinion, has only gotten worse. Two years ago I visited and had planned a month long vacation so I could visit family and friends. I was so homesick and planned it for months, saved up our money carefully. My daughter was 2 and I was almost 3 months pregnant. 2 days after arriving I miscarried and lost so much blood I almost needed a transfusion. I spent a night in the hospital and my husband flew out early since I could barely climb stairs due to loss of blood and therefore energy. I was extremely sad and stressed out since I had been staying with a family friend and wanted to be home. I just needed kindness and love. My family and friends were great. We decided to stay and try to enjoy ourselves. A couple days later we went to the north shore to watch a surf contest. Someone punched the lock out within 15 minutes of us being there and stole my iphone. A couple days later I went to China walls at Portlock to see an old place my dad took me as a little girl. My husband took my daughter down the path and I went back to double check that I had locked the car. As I climbed down to the cliffs a local girl started talking to me. I smiled and I asked her what she had said. Then she sarcastically started saying how lucky she was that I had come to the island and how she hoped I appreciated it and could she do anything to make my stay any better. I was so stunned and tired from walking so much I just stared for a few seconds and kept walking to my husband. He said after I passed she flicked me off and get friends started laughing. This was a grown woman, not a teenager. I always wish I'd told her, my baby just died, I just wanted some peace in one of my favorite places on this earth and you just **** on me and my memory. Do you feel good about that? What kind of person does that to a complete stranger? My daughter was playing with a little local boy at Costsco and i looked for his parents so i could tell them how great he was being with her. His mother wouldn't look at me and told him to be careful and led him away from her. On my last visit, ironically also at Costco, my friend drove around the parking lot with my then 2 kids:) so I could grab a few things quickly without bringing the kids in. I came out to the parking lot and my friend partially blocked a parking spot. A big giant moke in a gigantic white Ford truck honked at me while i tried to quickly throw my groceries in the trunk. I looked back at him and just had her move forward to get out of the way. He backed in forcing several cars to wait as he slowly maneuvered backwards, then rolled down his window and called me a dumb hauoli over his young daughter and wife. I was so furious i looked him in the eye and said What?! Then remembered i had a 3 year old and a baby in car. He called me a dumb hauoli again and with freckles flaming I'm sure, just left. This is so common in Hawaii now that I just expect it. I see no sign off it changing. If anything they feel empowered because they associate themselves with persecuted minorities like Black Americans when they act more like the red necks I saw in the South. Horrible drop out rates, high teenage pregnancy rates, welfare recipients, now homelessness. Willful and defiant ignorance. I love Hawaii and I hate it. I will never live there again and I wish I could get over it but it still gets me so angry. Once someone involved my child in it, everything changed. This year will be my last trip there for a long time. I love my friends that are still there. My Hawaiian teachers were beautiful and loving people,I had many great experiences but so much hate as well. The aloha spirit exists and many are great but so many are in terrible places and blame hauolis for everything when they need to educate themselves and clean up their government so opportunities exist for all. Stop living in the past and realize racism is racism is racism. It's always going to be wrong.

We despise you people because you disrupted our peace. Before any "outsiders" came to Hawaii everything was peaceful, however many settlers came and brought along diseases and unwanted pests into our community. That is why we don't want anyone from the mainland, simply because THEY think they're better and they're rude too and this post and all these hateful comments prove it. You people come to this island like fleas, that's why our island is so overpopulated. You people took everything from us that is why we share so much antipathy against you.

You are one of our states. We own you. So shut up and take it.

See what I mean? More ignorant local youth.

Hawaii wasn't going to stay hidden forever and you are very lucky that the English came first. Had the Japanese come first, they would have slaughtered every one alive. Look at their history. They have tried to kill every single one of their neighbors: Russia, China (repeatedly), Korea and The Philippines. That's why all their neighbors hate them in Asia. They would have slaughtered everyone here and no one would have know about "Hawaiians".

Everything was certainly not peaceful before that. Tribes were killing each other left and right. Even Kamehameha was brutally violent. Did you know that at the Battle of Nu'uanu Pali, he was shoving men, WOMEN AND CHILDREN off the pali to certain death? How is that peaceful?

No one from the mainland "took" anything from you. Learn your history. In 1959, you all decided to become a state -- a part of the United States of America. Mainlanders have just as much right to be here as you do on the mainland. In fact, if you look at the money, we Mainlanders are completely subsidizing (paying for) you.

Puke -- that's the Hawaiian word for "book". Spend some time with your face in some books instead of Facebook.

Boo, hoo, hoo. Whitey was mean to our ancestors so let's blame them for every one of our problems now. How about locals try cleaning up their meth epidemic? Failing schools and high rate of illiteracy? Above average rate of domestic violence? Exploding rates of stds? And let's not forget the dependence on federal and state welfare! The reason you live in such a ghetto culture is because you have a ghetto mentality. And only YOU can change that.

What doesn't bother me:

I'm originally from Hawaii, born and raised. I lived there for the first 23 years of my life, however I have been away for over 30 years and only come back for funerals. Perhaps going home solely for the purpose of attending funerals is depressing enough, however it seems to me that each visit shows how much more of the islands have decayed. The problem is that the current generation does not have the industriousness of their parents and grandparents. Not only have they discontinued the old family businesses; they now live 3 or 4 generations to a house! No one wants to work any more. I would never start a business there. I could not find employees worth hiring! Everyone has a disproportionate sense of entitlement and is quick to feel slighted. There is so much crime, corruption, and backwardness it feels like a third-world country. You Hawaiians deserve each other!

My dad is in the military and we moved here... I agree... worst place on earth. The people here act like they are in charge of you. They act like they own you. They try to tell you to do things their way because the island is "theirs" Even though it's NOT. The government could plant a nuclear bomb if they wanted too. The Hawaiians think they are better than everyone else. If they didn't have the mainland and everything WE give them,, Hawaii would be nothing. They'd be BROKE. Plus, since Hawaii thinks they're their own little country everything has to be different. Getting your license wise, education wise, etc. Education is HORRIBLE. I learn nothing. The schools are like homeless shelters. Hawaii is such a burden on me. I'd never live here forever even if I had the best house on the island. I cannot wait to leave. I will gladly move back to a normal AMERICAN life.

Hawaii is also #8 for the worst education in the U.S. Proving they're illiterate, and Hawaii has very poor schools and education.

I totally agree. My wife went on a trip over there and was raped by three fat island monkey males. I have their names and where they work. See you all soon.

Doubt it. She probably willingly had sex with them, then told you a fake story. You shouldn't be on the "I hate Hawaii" page. You should be on the "I'm a cuckold" page.

I was extremely offended by this. You should not talk about us like this. I'm white and I have a happy life here! We are literate, and have fine lives. Save your rude stupid comments to yourself.

In Hawaii, the first thing we're taught is respect. The second is how Caucasian settlers came and held their queen captive while they overthrew the island. So if you're wondering why the locals take pride in where they come from it's because every time a snotty *** person like you comes they always want to change **** and can never be happy with just the breath of life, hence why the word "haole" means without breath.

If you look deep into the history it wasn't Hawaiians who founded Hawaii. So, this island doesn't belong to Hawaiians. Not even the totally different race who founded it. It's the governments island.

But we were the first people there soooo, you lose

You're clearly so rude and ignorant that you're just confirming everyone's points about the dumb locals. Why are you even on this site? So pathetic

I was offered a really awesome job on one of the islands as a Chiropractor last year. I am from Florida originally. When I got here, the owners wife felt threatened because she said I was "too pretty and too successful" to work with her husband. Crazy right? Well, after about a month my boss told me that his wife was divorcing him unless he got rid of me. So he asked me to leave. My boss was much older and extremely unattractive, and I felt like it was a horrible thing to happen to someone who didn't deserve it. Especially considering that I had just re-located here from Florida. As a Chiropractor I had an impossible time trying to find another associateship. With 8 years of college and the same student loan and education as a medical doctor, I was left totally screwed. The island I live on is small, and I contacted all of the other Chiropractors trying to get a job with them. As they ran single doctor practices, this was not possible. I have been here 8 months and I don't even have enough $ to move back. I had to forfeit my license in Florida to stay here and it is $600 to get it back. Since I was in school for 8 years I have no work history and I couldn't even find a job as a waitress. Plus, no one wanted to hire an out of work Chiropractor. I am borderline homeless, and would give anything to go home. Hawaii has been spoiled in my mind forever

It's technically not Hawaii's fault though. Like seriously, it's not the island's fault you got fired. And if you couldn't find a job as a waitress, go find another job, like work in a store. I think it's your fault that you are practically homeless cause you're not putting any effort in to finding a job.

This just proves that you're an idiot. It doesn't say anything bad about Hawaii though.

Blame your hate for your experience on living in Hawaii on everyone and everything else.... If you did hate it so much why didn't you just slit your wrists like you said?? Some people love Hawaii and some people don't, chill out.

If Hawaiians hate white people then I absolutely LOVE Hawaiians. :)

Dummy, they'd hate you too. They barely love themselves - that's why there's a meth epidemic throughout HI!

Where the heck have you heard that there's a meth epidemic huh? Get your facts straight before you put it on the internet.

Have you ever been to Hawaii?? They have one of the worst meth problems in the country!!

Alright, so I grew up on Maui for 20 years - my family's from Japan - they moved when I was a year old. Father's from a military family, he's half Sicilian/Japanese, my mom's Korean. Don't even get me started on the racism they had to go through. After 20 years I lived on O'ahu for 4 years, and lived in Los Angeles for 7 years after that to work in the film industry, so I think I got a pretty good grasp on the contrast. First thing I'll say is there's truth in absolutely everything that everyone is saying here. I was teased for being mostly asian - Japanee I was called, while the kids made slant eyes with their hands, pulling their eyes back. But that's nothing the **** that white kids have to go through…tragic..even the teachers will subtly talk down on haole students when I was in high school. "what you ****** haole?!" - heard that everyday since ******* kindergarten. The amount of bullying is insane, and sadly, usually stems from the attitude of the local parents: many kids that bully (and this is true anywhere) are following the attitude-example set by their parents that usually smack the **** out of them. "eh boy, get me one bea' if you no like one false crack!" the overweight uncle says while his father says "what, you no hear uncle?! hurry up you little fucka!!" as they get smashed around a grill while they grill the some tako and opihi they caught/gathered with the foodland-bought pipikaula being shared in it's foam plate (yeah I really grew up there) Drugged out island hicks that survive off of welfare and bud-light? True, just like there's inbred hicks living in trailers right alongside the loving country grandma that'll cook you a fresh apple pie who's the most authentically nice person you've met besides having lived a life that most would describe as hellish? You get where I'm going with this right? This kind of mentality is everywhere, it just takes different forms, it's just more in your ******* face in a small town/island. I've seen confederate flags waved around in some outskirts of cali and oregon, how do you think I'd be treated if I just walked around in those places? **** I still get asked if I'm "from here"(America) for **** sake I speak PERFECT English and Pidgin…**** I can even talk with a damn Cockney accent with all the actors I've hung out with. I even had a voice-over agent send me Cambodian scripts to audition because she assumed being able to speak a bit of Japanese meant "speak a little bit of anything Asian". -this is one example where the term"dumb haole" is valid. If you're thinking "what's the difference between Cambodian and Japanese?" you fall into this category - for some reason or another, at least in Hawai'i, the local populace knows the damn difference, because they know that "Asian" does not mean everywhere in Asia…I mean Russia is Asia ffs. Anyway, Ignorance is everywhere, I have to say the KIND of ignorance is unique in the mainland US and Hawaii. In defense of people that hate hawaii - hey I get it; some locals are DUMB as ****, like HOLY **** HOW CAN YOU BE THAT STUPID?! And MEAN?! But wait, PEOPLE ARE LIKE THAT EVERYWHERE!! It's just that on an island or rural community, it's just more pronounced because you can't hide from it. City like LA, NYC (oh yeah, worked there for several months, you want rude mean people under the excuse of "hey at least they're not lying/plastic about it like L.A.!"), **** anywhere crowded, you have a few friends/groups you choose, and ignore everything else. Hard to do in a small chain of islands 3000 miles away from everything. Locals are pissed about what the whiteman did to the islands, understandable, yet wtf did Kamehameha do? Unite the islands? Yeah because everyone was ******* killing each other left and right, so he killed and ruled, just like every type of Kingdom-based society every-******* where when it was all Game-of-Thrones. Am I defending the "whiteman?" No, everybody's a damn pillaging, enslaving murderer somewhere down the line, ****** up as it is, we're all by-products of wars. Now, I do know for a fact that my friends and my brothers current friends just loved going around punching tourists out because there's nothing to do for them besides that…most of those kids are in jail now. But here - **** I lived in a ghetto part of Highland Park and got immune to gunfire, to the point where a drive-by with semi-autos happened 50 feet away from me and a friend having a talk outside and we didn't even BLINK. No, that's not a good thing. Local boys think you're tough in Hawai'i, we have authentically ****** up **** up here you don't see. Damn right MS-13: home invasions, tying up families, raping and killing them in front of the father before executing all of them. **** like that doesn't happen in Hawai'i..last time I checked anyway. So this post is getting long, I'm just saying - both sides can be right, people are awesome and suck everywhere. About island fever and the paradise setting - after driving 600 mile round trips to go take photos for fun out into ghost towns in Cali, WHY THE **** is going to Wailea to Lahaina "FAR"?! Oh, because it's like a quarter of the island, and 45 minutes is A LONG ****** DRIVE, brah….if you've never lived outside the islands. It's all relative. You know what I realized though - people in Hawai'i, many, are terrified of the mainland. If I could draw a map of the world from my childhood mind, I could name most countries and I'd label the continental USA "THERE BE DRAGONS..and crazy haoles". I discovered the latter to be true..but I've worked in film/tv in L.A. - almost everyone is ******* nuts..but you expect it. Paradise - yeah Hawai'i is stunning, but honestly I personally was most visually blown away by the redwood forests and coast of NorCal than anything I've seen in Hawai'i..the sheer span and falcons, vultures, etc, and as a fan of ghost towns - the abandoned mining towns here and places in Utah..you don't get that in Hawai'i…at the same time, the water is ******* freezing and it's raining 80% of the time up there so ****. Anyway my point - **** comes with the territory, some people handle it better than others and take a place for what it is - not for everyone. Nowhere is. Especially Liberia - see with enough research, you can just never go to some places because you can tell it's not for you.

Great review!

You made some sense until you mentioned the "States". Hawaii is a state. You are referring to the mainland. BTW, I wouldn't consider living there as well.

Dummy, he meant ppl outside of the US relocating to "the States". Not everything is about the pathetic little island chain called Hawaii!

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Blah, blah, blah, Kalena. I've heard all that HI history before. Old News. Again, none of it excuses the active racism shown by locals toward caucasians TODAY. And funny how I've never experienced racism from any other group while growing up in a very diverse part of the mainland. Was I somehow only "hateful" and "ignorant" to locals in HI but nowhere else. Btw, that's called sarcasm because that reasoning is as ridiculous as your posting. Finally, if you're only responding to the OP, why are you as a local trolling sites re why Hawaii sucks. I'm from NY and don't look for sites about why NY sucks. And guess what? If someone felt it did, that would be their opinion based on their personal experience - and they are entitled to it. Secure people recognize that. Way to go, OP!!

Obviously you are not educated as much as you believe you are in the Hawaiian Culture. yes, the way we speak may seem to be improper English, however it is called pidgeon and originated on the plantations, due to all the different ethnicities and language, pidgeon was a way to compile all of the languages and make one that everyone could use to communicate, yes it is primarily English because the people who ran the plantations were white, however it is apart of Hawaii's culture now. Also, yes there may be plenty of racist people over here, however it is not as severe as you make it out to be, I am sure if you were more respectful and open to the way of life in Hawaii, and not as hateful and ignorant, your experience and the people around you would have been more enjoyable. Lastly if you are going to complain about how we are so uneducated and speak so improper please ensure that you have no spelling or grammatical errors, I know you said not to mention it, however I find it rather hypocritical and contradictory.

you are a lolo you ***** kalena808. Never saw so many women that i thought were men in my entire life until hawaii. Big, momona *******. Damn, never saw a worst work force, more disgusting, smelly, lazy bunch of people in my life and I have worked all over the world. Hell, Iraqis work better than fat *** hawaiins. But that is ok, the nice part about hawaii is that boats are cheap so dropping bodies is easy. Sharks eat them and no evidence left behind. Three of your chimps raped my wife and one thing whites are good at is conquering....... i think it took us a DAY to conquer your ***** country. Can't wait to see the eyes of the three that I am coming for. This hoale doesn't run.

First off, do you feel better when you swear?

Believe me, I learned more HI history than I ever wanted to while living there. And what always got me was how so many uneducated locals acted as if HI is alone in the experience of being conquered and forced to change as a result. How about learning some general world history?! Then you'll know HI is not so unique. And to claim that locals - most of whom aren't even Hawaiian - have some right to be racist toward caucasians today is just so lame. Locals are prejudiced because like all prejudiced people, they're uneducated and unaccomplished and turn to racism/a distorted sense that they're superior to others to make themselves feel better about themselves. Btw, are you even local? And if so, why are you trolling a site dedicated to why HI sucks? So sad...

We learn about Hawaiian history because they want to teach us about our ancestors. Why do you think they teach people about mainland history? huh? And we don't need to be Hawaiian to be considered local. Look up to definition of local in the dictionary and get your facts straight. And wherever you're from, you're probably considered local too. Who are you to call people on Hawaii uneducated and unaccomplished? Have you heard of Bruno Mars, well he's from Hawaii and he's really famous. And our President is from Hawaii. Barack Obama wouldn't become President if he was uneducated!

Try learning the history of Hawai'i. Do you know what the Americans did to it? They took the culture, religion and the land. Locals are that way because they know the history and perhaps they do take it a little far but I'm sure you would too if an entirely new country came a took over your home and then changed EVERYTHING about it. If they came and told you that you couldn't speak your language or dance or practice whatever religion you have.

Not sure who you're responding to, Fibchopkin, as you never identify anyone. Either way, I'm happy to hear you've had a mostly positive experience w locals in HI. However, I don't think you should assume anyone's negative experience there is due to a lack of exposure to locals. In fact, I had MUCH MORE than you have - which seems to be limited to neighbors and some classmates - as not only did I date several local men, living with one for years, I worked with locals while serving a mostly local population for over a decade. So when I say that many locals are shockingly uneducated and prejudiced, it is coming from an informed place. And even the several local friends I did make via work stated this. Your experience is just that, your experience. And it's a limited one at that.

Wow, I'm sorry your experience was so terrible, but I have to wonder how much effort you expended in actually getting out of Honolulu and learning to understand the aina and what it means to most Native Hawaiians.

My own experience could not have been more different from yours. We moved here, like so many others, because of the military. We decided to buy a house and scouted around the island of Oahu until we found an area we really liked- a small town on the windward side of the island with a good school nearby and a low crime rate. Our neighborhood is very mixed, a handful of military mixed in with a large number of locals and Native Hawaiians. From the first minute we moved in, our neighbors, especially the women, swarmed us with support, food, offers of free child care, free car rides, and well... Aloha. Our next door neighbor ( A local of mostly Japanese descent, for the record) helped me install new plumbing free of all charge except for a beer and a chat when my husband got sent out on mission our second week here. "Auntie" Lei, a Truly amazing Hawaiian Native lady who is very steeped In traditional culture (even works daily in the Lo'i and pounds her own kalo) popped over every day for a week during my first days back to school for my MS just to make sure I was eating and coping with being a virtual single mom and full time student. My neighbors down the street, a mixed couple, she's haole, he's mostly Native with some Pake- I think, and their five children welcomed my so into their tumultuous and wonderful family, and now the six of them run in and out of all the houses in our neighborhood, where they are loved, fed, and disciplined by every Auntie and Uncle in the neighborhood. Yep, the village is raising all our children together and I never worry about safety the way I did on the mainland.

Meeting and living with all these wonderful people, and hanging out with Auntie Lei led me to want to learn more about Hawaiian culture and tradition, so I took a HAP studies course at my school (I go to UH, but I know for a fact that every community college on the island offers at least one Hawaiian studies course). I learned about the ties between the land and the people in Polynesian culture, about the horrendous and underhanded way that the Hawaiian monarchy was forced out of Honolulu by a puppet government and a "Bayonet Constitution". I learned that pidgin, while difficult to get used to at first, is a mishmash of languages developed by a mix of cultures who forced to work in the sugar canes and pineapple plantations and whose children were not allowed to attend school. I learned that many people speak it now both in defiance of a society that continuously belittled and undervalued them, and also in respect of beloved grandparents and great grands who had no real choice in their speech because they were denied school and needed to work in the fields. After learning about all these things, the (very few) hostile locals and Natives I've met made more sense to me. Their great-grandparents and great-greats had their land forcibly taken or underhandedly stolen away, and now tourism and foreign influence has driven real estate prices, cost of living, and job competition through the roof. While I don't consider myself responsible for the troubles here, I am capable of imagining myself in the shoes of some who do, and can at least understand their bitterness- I might be bitter too, if my ancestry and culture were slowly being both marginalized and commercialized at the same time.

As I said, I'm sorry your experience was so awful, but it's very difficult for me to believe that you were truly willing to learn about and understand Island culture, beyond the plastic insincerity of Waikiki and downtown honolulu. And as for calling the local flavor "uneducated," well, to each his own, but I find it charming and relaxed. I suppose you might find my own hometown dialect uneducated sounding too, though. Whether it's Southernese, Geechee, Gullah, Boston slang, Brooklyn drawl, Texas twang, or Hawaiian Pidgin, I think the cultural differences in our American language should be celebrated, not denigrated.

Right on! The Hawaiian "culture" as it stands is one of the most uneducated, unaccomplished, irresponsible, insecure and prejudiced I've ever seen. Instead of putting their energy into fixing their horrible schools and above average rates of meth addiction, domestic violence and dependence on welfare, the locals prefer to whine about hoales, blaming whitey for everything with no sense of a broader world. Believe it or not, other cultures have been conquered, having their land taken while being forced to speak another language. Yet they still managed to survive and even thrive. Look at Israel! Ireland! The list goes on. So stop the endless whining and blaming and fix your decaying culture! Sooo lucky I "no longer live hawaii"!

Actually, Hawaii had the greatest literacy percentage EVER.

Um, what time period are you referring to? A 2009 study deemed 1 in 6 HI locals "functionally illiterate".

UM, EXACTLY HAWAI'I HAD THE GREATEST LITERACY PERCENTAGE EVER! THIS IS WHEN HAWAI'I WAS A KINGDOM AND A NATION! THIS IS ONE REASON OF THE FOR THE HATE ABOUT BEING OVER THROWN, EDUCATION AND LITERACY WAS A NUMBER PRIORITY TO THE HAWAI'I 'S KINGDOM AND THEY HAD SOME OF THE BEST SCHOOLS AND EDUCATION. YOUR 2009 STUDY IS BASED ON A U.S GOVERNMENT THAT PUT FOREIGN WARS AND POLICIES OVER THE EDUCATION OF ITS OWN PEOPLE. HAWAI'I'S KINGDOM #1 PRIORITY WAS EDUCATION AND THE PEOPLE OF THE NATION OF HAWAI'I LIVING AS ONE. KINGDOM OF HAWAI'I RECOGNIZED ALL RACE'S AS ONE AND IT WAS NOT BASED ON NATIVE HAWAIIANS AS THE SUPERIOR RACE BUT ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE LAND EQUALLY. DO YOUR RESEARCH AND HISTORY WILL SHOW HOW HAWAI'I EDUCATION AND LIFE STYLE HAS DECLINED AFTER ( FOR ALL THE PEOPLE OF HAWAI'I NOT JUST NATIVE HAWAI'IANS) BEING OVERTHROWN!

Again, blah, blah, blah. And I can write in all caps as well but chose to calmly make my points, 808. And history is history. Stop blaming the state of every mess in HI on the overthrow of the monarchy! The reason HI is the mess that it is in is much more complicated than that. What's more, locals need to stop sitting around playing victim and actually do something about their dysfunctional culture. The meth epidemic, high rates of illiteracy, domestic violence and welfare dependence isn't going to go away by nurturing prejudice against whitey!

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Simple answer to reason why we don't like foreigners.
Hawaiians were treated badly when whites took their culture away, forced us to praise their God, killed us with their diseases, and abolished the Hawaiian Monarchy by force.
Don't you have the common sense to out together a good reason (with this information given) why we are retaliating against whites?

And, of course, the whites you are retaliating against are the very ones who personally committed those criminal acts, right? You sound rather ignorant.

So u say locals r bad people? how about u show respect to the islands and the locals and maybe ur life wont be so bad. u say the weather is hot here? go to Florida and complain. us locals live off this so dont act like u suffering ok? u say that locals speak bad english. its called pidgen, created by Japanese, Hawaiians, Philippines, Hispanics, Chinese, and Some Europeans during the times of the sugar period where haoles (foreigners mainly whites) took power away from the Native Hawaiians and owned us for hard labor for the sugar industry. Calling me an "Island Hillbilly"? where in the mainland where there is: no crime, no racial tensions, no foreign or alternate languages, or actual paradise? u make Hawaii sound like Far Cry 3, but have u checked Maui? Kauai? Molokai? Big Island? No? then shut up. U better watch what u say bout Hawaiians, cuz Americans destroyed our society and we dont take that kindly even today. and THAT settles the outsider issue.

Ignorant statement.

You didn't have to join the US. It was a CHOICE by your government. You did this to yourselves. Maybe if your state wasn't so bitter and entitled, then you could work to make yourselves better. Instead, you just want to whine and complain and blame whites.

I live in a tropical island where central AC is not a must.Please get me out of here!!!!Me no savage!

Can you seriously suck it up? How do people manage to call people living in Hawaii "cry babies" or whatever? Over here, probably the highest temperature it will be is in the 90's. While on the mainland it can get up to 100 degrees

I spent the last two decades of my life trying to buy a house on the Big Island. Home ownership has been just out of my reach. I did, however, manage to buy a condo. Good thing, as living here has shown me the nasty reality of the islands.

The beautiful places I visited long ago are now trampled and trashed. Crowded, dirty beaches and lifeless barren rock where there used to be thriving coral and fish communities. All gone.

The homeless wander the streets, half dead from exposure to the hot sun and filthy streets. The so called locals, bitter and angry, make up any reason to give you stink-eye. Beat up trucks with "defend aloha" stickers that proclaim their hate of foreigners. It is hard to live aloha when bad attitudes are so common.

So many just barely scrape by. It is so sad. They are too poor to move to the mainland where a better quality of life exists. I wondered why there were so many former islanders on the mainland, now I know why.

I made one last offer on a house recently. A last chance to make a life in Hawaii. I full well know that I can live better on the mainland, but I still have a glimmer of hope to live the life of aloha. Who knows, maybe in some small way I can blend in and do some good here. After all, good or bad, almost every living thing on the islands came from somewhere else.

bumper stickers show no sign of foreigner disapproval. get ur fact straight cuz as a local, i only hate foreigners who show disrespect or dont know how to live a rough life (you). we have homeless cuz too many people in our islands. u want better island? Maui. nuff said.

I want to apologize for an error on my post. I wrote that the "defend aloha" bumper stickers proclaimed hate of foreigners. The correct statement should have been "defend Hawaii" bumper stickers are displayed by a minority of locals who hate foreigners. You know, the decal and t-shirts that have a military assault rifle on it? It symbolizes hate of foreigners, period. Those who fill their heart with hate will never be happy. If you are happy on the island, just enjoy your life. Does it really matter what people post here? You know as well as I do, Hawaii life isn't for everyone.

it symbolizes the defense for the hawaiian way. u dont have to say that hawaiians hate foreigners cuz of stereotypes. i would know cuz my cousin makes those shirts

I could not agree more with the OP. First of all, the weather here sucks. It is hot, the sun is blazing, and the humidity drives me crazy! I cannot sleep half the time, maybe except in the winter, due to humidity. Second of all, the food here is terrible. All they have is McDonald's and Subways. Coming from California, I miss In-N-Out, Chick-fil-A, Chipotle, etc... well, you get the idea. And ethnic foods here for horrible as well. The only decent foods I can find here are Thai foods, but only because there are many Thai living here. But they eff up all other ethnic foods catered to cheap Hawaiian taste with lots of sugar and mayo. How much spam and micro-salad can these people eat???

The locals are so proud of their "paradise" and think mainland is only composed of LAS VEGAS. Vegas isn't the only mainland place out there. Try visiting a different states/locations other than making the same lame Vegas trip every weekend. All the businesses and radio stations promote are Vegas, Vegas, and more Vegas. Yeah, a good way to educate your kids on gambling.

Next, the drivers. Wow, these people cannot drive to save their life. Until I came to Hawaii, I have never seen people driving in a fast lane going at 35 mph. If you are going to drive like a grandma, MOVE OVER TO SLOWER LANE!!! And the roads here are messed up with so many potholes they only temporarily fix so they can "fix" it again a couple of months later. And what is up with people here spending five minutes to back in? If you can't back in, just park it with your nose in! Instead of impeding traffic in the already tiny parking lot! Paradise would not have backed up traffic on the WEEKENDS both in Waikiki and NORTH SHORE. Sometimes I don't even bother going out on the weekends because the traffic is nightmare.

To sum it up, if I had a choice, I'd much rather live in any other 48 contiguous states. The only reason why I live here is because of my family. Yeah I agree OP, Hawaii SUCKS.

mainland sux! some states dont have an ocean, culture, good education, respectable people, good law/justice system, and hawaiians. i agree on the 48 contagious states, but Hawaii is one of a kind so respect it

I never said I did not respect Hawaiian culture. That is not the issue here. My problem with Hawaii is the way the state is run. As a local here, I'm seeing Hawaii turning into another Metropolitan cities such New York and LA, except with no variety. Seriously, how many McDonald's and Subways does this island need? Why not create a room for some other major establishments, or mom and pop places? And what is up with building more ***** malls with stores such Sak's Fifth Avenue??? I guess all the state care about is making money off rich tourists? Many Hawaiians are on EBT. So what good is Bloomingdale's and Saks? In a nutshell, Oahu is just another crowded place transforming into mainland wannabe, with lot less choices. As I'm typing this, I see bumper to bumper traffic. The current time is 10:17PM.

If you don't like how the state is ran, then start a petition or whatever. Let your voice be heard. And it doesn't hurt to make money to improve somethings. Why do you think it's crowded? Because so many mainland people are coming. Go move to a less crowded island like Maui or something. And by the way, we don't care about the time.

Hawaii's average temp is 72 ****** degrees F. Mainland 110 degree heat waves and 20 degree winters. WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU?!? think hawaii is crowded? VISIT ******* NEW YORK

Do you think we can control the weather? Like there's a switch that makes the Islands so hot? On the mainland it can get up to 100 degrees or more. While here, it goes up to 90 degrees. And have you ever heard of a fan to keep you cool? Are you seriously complaining how slow people drive? Do you have somewhere important to go? Sorry for trying to be careful on the road. And Hawaii is a laid back Island. Do you have any idea how many visitors we have here? And how many people want to see some world famous beaches. And Hawaii doesn't want you here so byeeeeee

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Im glad i found your text!
My short story:
Im from Germany and visited the US for vacation many times before. It was always great. Friendly people, lots to explore, amazing nature. Its always a time which i never will forget.
This time my girl came with me and i made the big mistake to book 4 days Hawaii too. It should be a lil rest of our exicting trip thru the southwest of the USA.
Big big mistake. Todays the last day of the four most badest holiday days in my life and i can tell you, i have many places seen in my life!

The hawaiin, friendly ******** rip you off where and whenever they can. You pay for everthing and you pay everytime money for trash(food for example)
You get treated if those people over here are the highest human on earth. The hotel sucks, everywhere are people laying on the street in their own ****.
I mean, one of the most things i get pissed from is how i get rip off day by day. Im to tired and angry to say everything what i have seen here. Im just glad to leave this island in a few hours and i will never come back. I going to post a detailed text about my experiences on every german tourist website i can find. And even if my text will beware just one person from flying to this arrogant island my job would be done
Greetings from Hawaii
Benni/ Munich

Well you are a spoiled little @sshole. As mentioned before, people are working their #@$%! @sses of and people just need money to pay rent, water, etc. Hawaiians do not lie in their own ****. And you are talkin bout the US? puh-lease look at your own f*ckin country. Hello? heard of, oh I don't know, NAZIS, HITLER, THE HOLOCAUST, etc. if u dont like it, hop your *** on a plane to your hellhole of a country.

I thought I was going to Hawaii to work, and a retreat from the busy mainland. I was there for 18 months, and after getting pushed out of another job, I prayed that God would help me get outta there. Although I was white, I was getting abused by white people who fled from the mainland to bully others (AND THEY ALL GET AWAY WITH IT!!!). There's a huge bullying spirit over the entire Island. It's like High School times 300. I didn't even know how oppressive and awful it was until I escaped, this week. Besides, I couldn't afford it anymore, lived paycheck to paycheck, got pushed out of jobs, etc. I EVEN HAVE A PHD. It took 24 hours back in California and I am kissing the ground, praying I never get stuck there or anywhere like that again. I feel lighter, already feel healthier, brighter. There is a darkness and oppressive aspect that leaves once you get back on the Mainland. The awful thing, is that some (especially on Maui) believe they are living the good life, but don't even realize how miserable they are. God rescued me from that horror, and He can rescue you too! Thanks for your post. Besides, I have to say, I was soooo unhealthy in Hawaii. I gained weight, ate bad, and felt bloated. lol...... In California, feel like I've already lost 10 pounds of DEPRESSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET OUT AND DON'T DIE THERE

I agree to an extent I was raised her and left at 21 we came back September 2012 and will be leaving in February 2014 this is not the home of my childhood and I had a great one here! And a lot if complaining about Hawaiians well honestly I can stand the way the Asian community treats people they are rude and pushy try riding the bus? They act as if this is their Island. A lot of local people white and of Hawaiian decent have said the same thing they couldn't bomb it so they bought it! The moms at my daughters school are rude and bitchy and we live in the Kapahulu area where I grew up my daughter was picked on by the little Asian girls not Hawaiian(local) she was in kindergarten for crying out Lois who cares what kind of clothes you have!? I will spend the next 5 months with a positive attitude but as soon as the plane lands in Seattle I am kissing the ground. I will always carry the Hawaii of my childhood in my heart but most likely I will never return.