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Yes.  This is a terrible country to live in or even travel to for that matter.  Let me say that I never write posts but I feel so strongly about this and was comforted by hearing the stories of other like-minded people.  Australia truly sucks.

I'm a Canadian who's been living here on and off (mostly off, gratefully) for over ten years.  This time i've been back for just over two years and just when I thought this dump couldn't get any worse, it could.  My wife is Australian (they do create very good looking women) and tight with her family so we've come back.  

The blank stares.  The timid, angry looks people give.  The complete lack of having a decent conversation with one of them, providing you can engage them in the first place.  I could go on forever!  I've become a biggot living here as I now have a real dislike for Australians as a nation; here and abroad.

Australians seem like they're all on Lithium.  They have this vacant look in their eyes and don't seem to listen when spoken to.  Perhaps that's why they're so  unreliable.  No one reads here or strives to better their understanding of the world around them.  I've never been anywhere else like it.  It's like some giant science experiment gone wrong.  They frequently go on about what a great country Australia is but there's no merrit behind.

Australians are viewed by the international community as racist, uncooth and non-consequential, and if they were more open minded towards excepting constructive criticism, they might have a chance of evolving with the rest of us.  Have any of you ever been told defensivley by an Aussie (True Blue!) to 'go home' for voicing you opinion?  I bet you have.  Now, can you think of any other country where you've experienced that?  Can you imagine?  It says alot about the level of intolerance here.  And that in turn says a lot about the Nation.

And, for all of this: the honor of them allowing you to live in their country, you have to pay through the nose!  Australia is really over-priced - from food (wow, are they kidding?), to real estate.  Australians are proud underacheivers and happy to accept the reward for someone elses work.  The stores sell inferior products for outrageous prices and  everyone just blindly pays.  It's crazy!  No one cares about anything here except for themselves which makes for a boring, uncultured, mollified, apathetic place.  Monopolies, Duopolies, super corrupt government; Australia is a willing police state.

Australia awards incompetence and overpays it's population for even the most menial of jobs making goods and services wildly expensive.  It will cost you big for even simple pleasures like going out for coffee ($4) or a cafe meal ($15-$30).  There are no diners or greasy spoons or 24 hr breakfast places or delis where you can grab a cheap bite!  Your only options are disgusting meat pies or nasty freezer to deep fryer chiko rolls or whatever shich are also overpriced and served with a sneer.

I could go on and on.  Let me say that  this is a very general outlook and of course I have close family and freinds here that I respect greatly, but, I have lived in a few countries and travelled to many more and as a whole THIS COUNTRY SUCKS!  And, a country is defined by it's people.  I mean 'whites only' policy into the 70's?  I mean, come on.  What more is there to say?  Get out if you can and if your already out don't come.  

On a lighter note, enjoy the illiterate, grammarically incorrect, spelling error ridden, foul mouthed responses the Aussies give to this post.  I heartily enjoy reading the uneducated Aussie posts.  Even the newspapers here can't spell.  A French friend said to me once when asked what he thought Australia said: "It's a glass of Coke".  I think of it more like a loaf of Wonderbread.

 
 


nosheep2004 nosheep2004 36-40 116 Responses Jun 2, 2011

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The survey that rates Australia as "most livable" country IS A SCAM to attract foreign investors and fresh blood to expand the gene pool and take care of the inbreeding problem going on here. The country is beautiful, and the infrastructure impressive, but the culture (or the lack of it) is shocking, appalling, dreadful and atrocious. A society moved only by alcohol and footy. I've been here for four years and my brain is numbed already, moving out as soon as my job contract ends.

I'm an 18 year old Australian girl. I have a goal and that goal is to get the **** out of Australia. (aiming for japan) I admit Australia is bad and that our work ethic (stereotypical opposites on work ethic, aussies vs Asians) isn't as strong as Asians or Koreans. I personally couldn't wait to be old enough to get a job. I was almost 18 when I finally got one. I tried my hardest and I worked my *** off and it got thrown back in my face. I was underpaid by my boss who was an Asian Lady and the manager was also Asian who was easy to talk to and to joke around with but was scary and unfair sometimes. The whole place was the result of poor management and my hard work didn't even show at the end of the week when I got paid. one week I didn't even get paid at all (had to get bank statements to prove to them I wasn't paid) after 5 months and a whole lot of bullshit and taking measures to stand up to them successfully about my dodgy pay I got fired due to "lack of work" and they hired a new girl straight after me.

This sort of stuff happens to a lot of aussies. and what? you expect them to work hard and seize the day when they're treated like this? there's more to tell about the place i worked but it would make this post much longer than it already is. Our experiences shape our views. during that experience my feelings were "I hate work and I hate Asians. They rip you off and they are utter snobs and they are invading Australia". I still believe (depending on how I feel at the time) it's typical of Asians to be snobs and rip us off and treat us as if we're **** but in most cases isn't it just an attitude cause by their attitude towards us? Most Asians (not all) think we are lazy dole bludging bogans. in a particular case there's an Asian boss that is getting away with underpaying his workers and not paying tax. (he hasn't been caught for the same reasons my boss hasn't been caught) he refuses because he "doesn't want to give money to lazy Australians on the dole". (true, bogans are lazy and a waste of space but there's also the issue of there being ABSOLUTELY NO WORK for the people on the dole who do want to find work.) Experiences, media and the way culture and society brings up a certain group of people. we have a general view of each other.

Am i racist? im gonna say no. I believe a large chunk (between 30% to 60%) of a certain race gives truth to the attitude I have for that race. in America that would be racist. here it's a fair enough view. Sometimes it's like this; you're either a pissed off racist know-nothing violent bogan or a liberal free loving know-nothing douche bag. I also believe that's its not about your race but about the person who are. culture just seems raise one race to be more lazy or more snobby than other races

Here's a link to a time magazine article on 'the most livable cities on earth.'

Australia is number 2 behind Norway, just a hot tip people in Australia probably don't like you because your a whiny, shallow annoying ***** and most Canadians probably wouldn't like you either. I've lived in both countries and found Canadians and Australians to be quite fond of each other and I'm actually marrying a lovely Canadian girl at the end of the year and have multiple friends from travelling the world who are Canadian.

Ps please don't have any children with your Australian partner because I don't want any off spring as yours to be eligible to be from the same country as me.

I think you are a prime example of what she's referring to. I'll say I was obsessed with moving to Australia when I was young.. I mean obsessed. I met a ton of travelers from AUS and loved them all. So laid back and fun. I don't want to jump the gun because I haven't lived everywhere in AUS but most of what was said is accurate. I would describe AUS as one huge small town where ever one has their own cliques and are super snobby and stuck up (especially women) I right now live In a very posh town (noosa) so that's why I'm hating AUS at the moment l. Although, I find people friendly else where in AUS. But Australian travelers and locals are VERY different. Having kids super young here is normal and staying in one place your whole life as well. For me I'm not a fan. Also, Australian men are the most aggressive and rude men I have ever met. That's been in every city I've been to in AUS. Not all men but the majority, they really don't know how to treat women at all. I'm leaving for WA soon so hopefully that will be a bit better. I heard NZ is amazing and people are way nicer.

I don't think I'm a prime example of anything mentioned in the original post.

The only thing I would agree with is a lot of Australians can be, I wouldn't say racist but not very accepting of other cultures despite being one of the most multicultural places on earth.

And you are right travelling Australians give a false account of our selfs when travelling myself included. When travelling we are the friendly, fun, accepting and generally the most happy go lucky people you will meet but at home we are just as neurotic and self absorbed as any other western country.

your description of people in Australia I found quite odd although I'm from Melbourne and can't speak for everywhere in Australia (especially not Noosa) lol good luck finding your niche, NZ is beautiful and I've met some awesome people from there. Never lived there though.

That was fun. Please write more Canadian. Just very accurate description of Aussie land. The land of the selfish and home of the coward.
I know there are some ethnic folks like me reading this piece of art the you have wrote that can sympathize 100% with your story.
White Australian Policy...I wonder if some of them actually knows that policy is not in place anymore, because those elements seems to ignore the fact that there are other cultures living there too !!!.

Australia puts the **** into country. An absolute **** place to live, oooh the beaches are great and its always sunny. Who gives a **** when the people are boring bigoted bastards and the place is as dull as ditchwater. I'm here cos my missus family is here, they hate the place as much as I do but are unable to leave this hole, so my wife remains and I stay to support her. Living in Oz is basically a living death its so drab, if my wife leaves me for the milkman I'll be out of this country on the first plane. Australia= an absolute hole.

Yes! I wholeheartedly agree with what you wrote. I've lived here all my life, but haven't had the courage to emigrate and now I'm stuck!

"Enjoy the illiterate, GRAMMARICALLY incorrect, spelling error ridden"

Can't spell easy words in a rant against other peoples spelling and grammar. Case closed, you truly are a complete and total spastic.

The funny part is your slandering a country rated higher in the Human Development Index and basically every quality of life measurement then canada is ahahahaha. How stupid do you feel. Glad you prefer your frozen wasteland, sadly you're the 1% and the rest of the world disagrees with you so its no problem. Ironically you insult peoples intelligence with a load of braindead baseless ****. All canadians must be as retarded as you.

We know your level of development first hand. And knowing the reality, makes me really wonder how your mob of loudmouth dilettantish bullshtters got the position.

The reality is you're just a miserable old ***** that cant be happy in what is widely ranked as one of the best countries on earth. Maybe you should try a war torn or third world country and see how you like that, with any luck you'll catch a terminal disease or be blown up and wont have to suffer it for long. Or just outright kill yourself and save everyone your bitching and ****** opinions.

You Do represent the guild of the fully blown, blah bla bloop Aussie arseholes, ay moiyete?

Says the person complaining about living in first world countries. Sadly you're the pathetic arsehole not me. Love to hear what kids working in factories think about how bad your life is. you're a joke and a waste of a human being.

HAHA, in which propaganda, bullshit report are you referring to please ?. Everybody is emigrating to Canada as we speak. Is not for the sake of a job ?. Last time I check Australia is jobless. But that's not only the reason: is because the world hates australians.

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been here for six months.... my stay here sums up all you said and more...they are ignorant about other countries cultures. They feel that they are superior among all country in the world. Traveling other places around the world is the another form of good education. Most of Australians I met have never ever travelled out of this country and they think they know a lot.

You are very polite!
Because they think that there is nobody and nothing possibly better than that substandard garbage that they come up with.

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I applaud you. I always thought I was the only one that felt this way, as everyone I know just LOVES Australia - can't seem to get enough of it. Sure they do. As soon as they can they leave the place for more this, that or the other. I think the best thing would have been if it had never been discovered. You're right about the ignorance, racism and just overall
small-mindededness of the place.

An American told me once that Australia reminds him of America in the 1950s. I think that's being far too kind. It really is the arse-end of the world. Internationally, Australia has no voice - never has had.

Saying it's better than a war ravaged country or the third world is no argument whatsoever. That's really rather sad.
You can't compare it to Europe. Within many European countries people care and really talk about things that matter. Here, there's not much to say. As long as you shut up and do as your told, you'll be fine. Empty and miserable, but fine. No doubt I'll be verbally vilified for my views, as having an opinion or saying how you feel (you must believe and feel like everyone else here) is usually met with disdain and abuse. Once a penal colony - always a penal colony.

Young Man
As a much older man who was also born in this godforsaken dump, I hear you loud and clear. I was in my late 30's by the time I had an opportunity to travel overseas (to Europe). I've since been over again a few times and absolutely love the place.
Australia to me is the same as you see it through your eyes...devoid of culture, only concerned about the here and now, too hot, the people lack any will to improve (in life and in the workplace).

I hope someday you find where you belong, as I am currently arranging for my entire family to move to Germany. We will never be back.
The entire system here is setup for culture-less sheep who don't think for themselves...naturally there are exceptions however they are few and far between. I know every country has its issues and idiosyncrasies, it is just that Australia is so backward it is embarrassing.
The idea of culture for many of them is BBQ's, sport and football. I hate to break it to the bogans but sport and BBQ's are a favourite past time for many other nations as well and are not confined to Australia.
We are also one of the only so called first world nations who fluoridate water which would have a lot to do with the vagueness of so many people here. Another enforced law here is for all bread bakers to include folic acid in their flour products - all done without any debate or referendum because Australians simply don't give a ****, they are too busy watching tv or getting plastered down the pub.

i do agree. i was born here,
but i do hate the society. Mainly the government and the police.
police in australia do not serve to protect. Infact they serve to the sole purpose scam and take hard earned money from honest people.
There once was a time where police were once looked up to, time is long gone, we all see them as pigs trying to get higher revenue for the police. Most are cocky basterds as well.

I never know what to say to these posts. It's offensive and heartbreaking to Australians to hear how apparently hateful we are. At the same time, is it really fair to tar us all with the same brush? I'm tired of being labelled uneducated just because I happen to be Australian - I have a PhD! People seem to mistake the views and policies of the government (which has had appalling, racist and cruel policies for some time) for the views of every person. This is simply untrue. If you look deeper you'll see the contribution that Australians have made to the world - cervical cancer vaccination, wifi, spray on skin for burns victims...there are many. But by all means continue your own narrow minded critique of australia, ignoring the well meaning citizens that are atriving against racism and narrow-mindedness.

Your narrow mindedness is such that you are just incapable of digesting any critique on your self-gratifying Australian ways of life. The rest of the world, just can't teach you and your lot anything that you don't know already, isn't it?

I am a 21 year old Australian who has lived in Canada and I have to agree that the new generation of Australians are ruining the way foreigners perceive our country. We have taken the light hearted tall poppy syndrome and turned it into a very belligerent attack on everyone we meet even our friends. It was only until my Canadian friend said "why are you hating me on all the time?" And I realised what I thought was me being an Australian Larrikin was in fact me being a obnoxious ******. And then I started practicing adopting the Canadian vernacular and upon return to Australia had a cathartic moment. Australia was once a truly desirable country where our nationals were once celebrated in overseas bars. But no more.

We need to make a change in our personalities as a whole.

YOU have no right to speek that way about a country no matter what it is or the circumstances. You may not like it but that was rude and stupid to say that you should be ashamed of yourself if you hate it as much as you explain LEAVE then no one is making you stay your a disgrace shame on you ! Mind you Australians work extremely hard, my mum and dad are both Australians and are so kind and work long hours to support my family with a beautiful lifestyle the same goes to everyone we know !

I was born in Australia and have lived here my whole life. I have traveled abroad to poorer countries and i agree with OP Australia is a hole we're rude we're mostly dumb Labourers the continent is 10 years behind every other country and is ridiculously over priced on everything. I can't wait till i can get out of this hole of a country

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Perhaps, dear tiamaria, nosheep does have the right to speek ( sic ) that way. You may not like what was writen, but that does not mean that the writer had no right to write what was written. ( I hope I am not confusing things for you by writing "right" and "write" and "written" all in the same sentence. ) In any case you need to think a little about punctuation. The "sentence" you have written is grammatical garbage and full of the usual TBABS advice. It also demonstrates the usual Aussie inability to distinguish when to use "your" and "you're". So many TBABs truly are verging in semi literacy. A product of the wonderful Aussie education system perhaps ?
Great to hear that your Mum and Dad are working hard. No doubt you are all "living the dream" in a MacMansion with a massive TV and a 4x4 or two and a few jetskis and so on. But do any of you ever listen to each other, do you really know how you feel ?
Also for the benefit of those who are not accustomed to Stryne , would you like to attempt to translate your garbled sentence into coherent English and chuck in some punctuation ? "You may not like it but that was rude and stupid to say that you should be ashamed of yourself if you hate it as much as you explain LEAVE then no one is making you stay your a disgrace shame on you ! "

I've been in Australia all my life and couldn't agree more with this post.
Here's another post elsewhere that I found on this topic:
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/TET0MT0EB73E0DSKO/p63

While I'm a white Australian, most of my friends are actually ethnic Australians, and I couldn't be happier or luckier to have such a circle. I went to a selective high school in Sydney and that's where I met most of my current circle of friends, who all started off with very little, and are now dominating their fields at a very young age. Couldn't be prouder!
White Aussies at work often whinge to me about how Asians (East and South) are taking over their jobs, have no life, are retarded etc. When I let them know that I actually don't have a problem with Asians, guess what? I didn't fit the norm so they turn on me!!
There is an expectation that if you're white, you must only speak Aussie English, stay away from ethnics, indulge in an aimless life of getting drunk, getting laid, burning your wallet to "have a good time" and be "easy going". To me, those are the very acts that define stupidity and are the reasons that Australia is failing today.
I am so lucky to have friends from a multitude of backgrounds, as I get to experience different cultures, foods, perspectives and gain wisdom from their parents who harbour different spiritual beliefs which are all based on different experiences from different countries and different walks of life. Wow! Would I have such an opportunity if I was in a monocultural country? Or if I was in a multicultural country but only stuck with fellow Aussies? Most fellow Aussies don't realise that they're following an Anglo culture - that of the lowest class of Anglos. When I visited the UK, I was suprised to see that educated Anglos don't act like Aussies at all. The lower class ones are the exact same as Aussies, but with a British accent.

Sadly, everything the OP mentioned about Australians is true. This is coming from a fellow white Australian. People here react with anger and hostility when they don't hear the music to their ears. If you're an ethnic, sorry to say, but you will never be accepted by the mainstream. If you are fresh off the boat, I'm sure you've heard "go back to where you came from" or "f off, we're full". If you grew up in Australia, I'm sure you've noticed that you won't be invited to parties, nor will your invites be accepted. I'm sure you know that local Aussies are saying "he's never going to be one of us..f uckin asian c unt". I'm sure you've been frustrated at not even getting a job at Woolies because you don't possess years of experience pushing the trolley, but when you ask the white bloke working at the store how he got the job, he'll say he just had to apply and he got it. Yep..your surname makes a huge difference..here's the proof from a recruiter himself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NPyRUIjXwo
Go to 8:00

Australia attracts the low class people from Earth. country where tradiea can make quick bucks and intellectual people are discarded from society

Please spread your seed as much as possible, because your kind is the only hope Australia has got!

I have missed the opportunity to meet a good Aussie like you. Nice to see that there is some hope at the end. Thanks for your post !.

Have grown up in Perth my entire life, what I love about this place? The Beaches, the Swan River and some other natural stuff - and not a great deal else. Essentially Perth is still a 'small town' compared to the rest of Australia but has none of the charms that you would normally expect to find in out. Here are my main torments:1st - The insane economy as mentioned before; the cost of housing is so severe that a young family (or anyone from the Lower-Middle Class for that matter) would struggle to afford a home that isn't in a run-down, out of the way crime-ridden suburb over 45 minutes away from town. This has to be one of the ONLY places in the world where high-property prices are positively-correlated to high rates of crime. Housing prices have been adjusted highly in areas that are perceived to have 'potential' long-term benefits - in that they will one-day be good suburbs as soon as they can get around to developing the shops, roads, parks, schools and public transport (which is pathetic and almost non-existant in many suburbs) - the prices reflect that this has already happened and of course when (and if) it does actually happen they will skyrocket again. Only a minimal amount of people actually earn high wages here - and that minority holds a monopoly of the housing market. The worst thing about the housing market is that is essentially a complete LIE - our homes are the most overvalued in the world and stupid Perth citizens just keep sucking it up. You also have no chance if you don't want to drive, and the CBD and surrounds typically resemble a car-park on most days (and even weekends) due to the ****-poor planning by previous governments in years past.Finally - apart from the housing market the cost of everything else is pure insanity. $14 for a pint of average beer? $250+ to take the kids to a footy/cricket match? Only in Perth/Australia. Everyone is over here to make as much money as possible by ripping everybody off.2nd - The people. My lord, for a smaller city you'd think you'd see a few more smiles, openness and honestly - the only people you get this from are recent immigrants desperately searching for new friends - which is almost impossible with Perthites. The Western cliquishness reaches dizzying heights not possible anywhere else; unless you've been friends with them since High School don't expect many opportunities to form new friendships... and if you expect to wait months before they can fit you into their 'busy' schedules to actually catch up. I agree with all the previous posts about the zombie/lithium-look - you get this almost everywhere from baby boomers to Gen-X'ers - 9/10 people avoid your gaze and just about jump out of their skins when you stop to ask them something. Just about every suburb feels like a 'dead zone' - Australians at experts at making it look like they don't live in their own Home, everything is extremely quiet at night (unless there's a drunken, drug-binged party going on somewhere) - there is little-to-no community feeling whatsoever. Again - there may be some areas where this is different but these will always be 7-figures for the cheapest home. The stench of arrogance, superiority and egomania is on such a level in this country it makes Pop celebrities look like street buskers - the Bogan class is riddled with ****** Holden Commodores, aggro dogs, Tatoo's and wifebeaters. Enjoy driving on the road with these people as they try to ram you off the road for failing to indicate, or better yet bump into one of them on Australia Day (one of nation's many excuses to get as pissed as humanly possible) and get your head-kicked in for looking anything unlike them. The Hipsters (the super wealthy Gen Y's) are also riddled with tats, skinny jeans, thick-framed glasses, buddy-holly comb-over and smug sense of superior-entitlement. These clowns prowl the streets spending their baby-boomer parents cash, talk in a hybrid-version of English stuck somewhere across the Atlantic between London and New York. A huge portion of young Anglo Australians inherit wealth and property from their parents, snort every kind of drug available so that they can have 'an experience' in full public viewing. These people are almost more eye-gouging than the Bogans. Also, if you ever want to go to a Music concert here, imagine paying well over $150 for the cheapest tickets... and worst of all there is almost a 'no-dancing' policy just about everyone you go to. I've been at concerts here where you look around and witness a sea of zombie-like faces all sitting down, all clapping methodically whilst the security guards kick-out anybody for trying to dance in the aisles - it's like something out of North Korea. Anybody who tries to dance will be slaughtered by the crowd and subsequently booted from the venue. It doesn't take much to get kicked out of anywhere in Perth - you could accidentally spill a bit of $10 watered-down mid-strength beer or somebody's foot at a Cricket game and be ejected or... believe this... for being 'too festive' (trying to start a Mexican wave).

I've also forgotten the Workplace - as previously mentioned, hard-work and efficiency is often viewed negatively (especially in the Public Sector) and any kind of differences are mercilessly bullied out of them by the Men and bitched about by the Women. I've never witnessed such a scale of backstabbing, miserable employees in my entire life.

Now that all that bitching is over, I feel I've purged... and can say I love this place. The duality of the confused Aussie in motion.

interesting.

Sounds like a "Love / Hate" relationship. :)

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It is hilarious to see some of the bigoted Aussie replies, typical of their kind and being. Unable to engage diplomatically before reducing themselves to a foul repertoire and show the world how angry they are. Australia IS the angry country. Very intolerant, rude and uncaring. Not really bothered about the rest of the world and what it is doing and very adverse to change. It's no wonder stress and anxiety is biggest illness in this country! Have you ever seen an Aussie fresh off of the plane in London - it's hilarious I assure you. Wide-eyed, backward capped and rock/surfer wearing people feeling out of place with the busy streets and public transport of civilisation. Aussies are made for Australia and Europeans are not meant to become Aussies. Australia is great for an expensive holiday to get some sunshine, see some beaches, drink some wine and see some nature - take in surfing if you like but that's about it. I am happy to say that I hate Australia, dislike the majority of Australian people and still think London as a City is better than all of urban Australia put together.

Hello, I'm Australian and I don't think it's all that bad. I've lived here my whole life, so I admit, I have very little experience of other countries. I also admit things are expensive here. No country is perfect. But I don't think many of your comments about the people are completely true. I know plenty of great people here. I've never heard anyone tell someone to 'go home' and usually everyone is really nice. There's always bastards, but they're in every country. You can't escape them. Like I said, I can't say I have experience of other countries, but I really love living here. Though I want to travel the world someday, I will always call Australia home.

Hello, I have lived in Australia for more than 20 years, and I don't like the country. I have encounter Aussies told me to go back to my country. I have suffered from mental break down, because I don't often feel being accepted here as being an Asian. They often have culture shock with us, and not tolerate the culture difference. Very sad, that I think my heart is so broken every day living in here. A little misunderstanding between Australians and us, we probably don't deserve for giving any explanation.

But I should say there are some nice Australians, but very rare!

Exchange of ideas ? "Rod DeCurse" and "Gibzor"

The quintessential convict Australian way of bludgeoning nonconformist free thinkers in to submission!
Ruthlessly destroy those who dare to think for themselves with dogmatic fanaticism.
I don't know how someone as young as Gibzor has the mental capacity to work out for himself the factual truth, but how someone at the age of robcurse can be totally and utterly blind to the Australian social and corporate mentality throw his weight around like some self appointed Gestapo candidate?

You didn't plug the holes in your head before going in to the water, did ya?
You are talking rather weird when you've got a gallon of seawater sloshing around between your ears. But take care before flushing it. If something drops out that may look like a jellyfish, that is most probably your brain and you better put it back before your condition get's worse than it already is.

It's sort of like you missed the entire point, this person clearly said in their experience we are rude and angry. Your response is being rude and angry. It is better to engage by discussing it and asking what can we actively do to change this, so that people do feel welcome. It is obviously a problem if so many people feel this way. By ignoring it, we get nowhere and we all look like easily offended bigots. Do not say to go away, or leave. Why should somebody have to go away if they admit that they experienced racism and rudeness. Shouldn't we be concerned that not only do guests to this country feel offended and attacked, but immigrant families feel it as well every day. Hurling abuse makes us look like children who cannot accept that we have racist people. Every country does, it isn't just us but refusing to address it and yelling at those who dare to complain about how they were treated, to get out is childish.

I am Australian and I hate it. There is corruption at every level in this society. In the schools, in the workplace, in the government, I know because I know people in these places and have seen and heard about it myself. There is no manufacturing and what we do have is dying off. University/TAFE courses are stupidly over prices and there is little opportunity to pick up a trade these days unless your dad is a tradesmen or you know someone. Most people are nationalistic and fake their way through a banner of ''aussie pride'' when they are so far removed from the ideals, selflessness and heroism that defined those brave ANZACS. There is rampant drug problems, alcohol addiction is common, and criminals run loose and are then let back out onto the street with a slap on the wrist.

The educational system is a failure, so many blind lies are taught to the kids about historical subjects such as WW2, though I suppose that is a problem everywhere.

The government has limited the amount of certificates that a person can train in to two only, and after that they will provide no funding. This limits peoples careers so badly, that they may not be able to afford to pay full training costs if previous employment has not worked out in their favor.

The women as a majority are arrogant and selfish, and materialism is a trait that is glaringly obvious in both sexes.

My gripe with Australia: There is no community. No friendship, no trust, no honesty. Australians as a majority are a pack of users and liars and only pretend to be friendly with the majority of people so they can get what they want out of them. Backstabbing, disloyal, cowards. I was born in this country and have lived here since I was a boy, I've never been out of the country, and I hate it. The people are selfish, they have no personality and will not give young people like myself a go. No one will pass on anything without a price. Well I am sick of these people. Australians are that far behind in terms of culture (no culture), engineering and manufacturing, production and educational/work opportunities that it is not funny. I am not proud to live among people like this.

I wish for a society that promotes, growth, culture, education, advancement, engineering, manufacturing, development, safety, production, understanding, tolerance, compassion for the people around you.

I hope to travel one day and have a taste of real culture. Until then, I will continue to do my best with what I now have.

For all the rates and taxes that we pay, we shouldn't be so limited by our government when pursuing education, and I still have to pay a considerable amount regardless of what assistance I can receive from the government.

I don't care for your opinion either way.

And by the way, I grew up here, I deal with these people on a daily basis, I have the right to voice my opinion. If you don't like it, then go and do something you do like doing. I'm not interested in you or your attitude.

And for the record you dolt, you don't have to leave this country to compare its people to the people of others. I have Greek, Hungarian, Russian and Indian friends here, and after conversing with them and THEIR family/friends, I know exactly which people are refined and possess a shred of culture. So before you open your big mouth over the internet, have a think about what you are about to say.

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This is nosheep2004. I can't believe the amount of response that this insignificant rant I wrote more than three years ago has received. I'd just like to say in no particular order: I'm still with you, Thank you, Kiss my ***!<br />
It's overwhelming that so many of you out there felt the need to respond with such vitriol to my minor, although heartfelt, tirade. It's wonderful to miss the point, isn't it? <br />
I can spell just fine, and, as a matter of fact, my first language is not English. It seems - I'm sure many of you have found - that the system used by <a href="http://www.experienceproject.com" target="ep_blank">EP Link</a> does not allow one to edit one's work once you hit the OK button. So, you've all been reading a rough draft; coupled with the fact that I am no regular blogger - as mentioned in the original article - and I did not deem it necessary to write down the username or password that I had chosen, as I never intended to use it again. That's all I have to say.<br />
Keep up the good work...

@ Grammatically correct, as someone who has been living in Canada for over 2 years, I just could not resist submitting a response to your hypocritical post on Australia. The fact of the matter is; ALL of the things you accuse Australians of being, are exactly what you Canadians are too, the ONLY major difference with regards to racism in your country is that you have been socialized not to be overt about it. Hence, most Canadians are a bunch of pretentious, hypocritical, smug, mediocre, ignorant racists!!

Yep, very similar to the Aussie mind set, - thank you for the eloquent formulation!
But I rather sway to the opinion, that you are projecting the Aussie mentality on to the Canadians more than they deserve it.

You have got no fkcng Idea where I am from, ya fkcng bleeding hemorrhoid.
Just simply make up some shtt in the hope that it may stick.
Hahahaha, you really fkcng hate me hahahaha,..................I read your message, replayed to it, but you can go now and do your mother and little brother in a 3.some.

You've got a cheek criticising other people's lack of grammar and education after writing paragraph after paragraph filled with spelling errors. And I'm Scottish, not Australian before you start blaming this on Australians too. Ya fanny!<br />
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uncooth (uncouth) .. merrit (merit) .. excepting constructive criticism (accepting) .. defensivley (defensively) .. underacheivers (underachievers) .. freinds (friends) .. "if your already" (you're) .. grammarically incorrect (grammatically)

yes, but the errors in spelling do not invalidate the points being made in his story.

In 1989 I moved to Australia from New York. Married an Aussie who I met in London (he was unwilling to move to NY so I moved here). We were together for 13 years, it didn't work out (him being lazy and his priorities being his sports, his job, his parents, etc. meant the kids and I were at the bottom of his ladder. He promised me the world, but what I got was a life-time of bad luck stories here. He wouldn't let me move back to the U.S. with the kids, so I continued to live here, waiting patiently until my youngest turns 18 next year so I can take him with me without being charged with international kidnapping or spending $30,000 in court and 3 years to get permission from his dad.

I have worked full-time during my 24 years here, paid my taxes, never was on the dole, I love Footy, meat pies, miss the 24 hour diners, made some great friends, travelled alot, had a lot of misfortunes with some lazy Aussies who were quite happy to take advantage of my kindess. Got ripped off by a con artist, survived two divorces, childhood diabetes with my oldest, autism with my youngest, battling on every day with Crohn's disease, found supportive people, dumb, lazy, mean and unfriendly people, but came across intelligent, wonderful, kind hearted people. Its a mixed bag like everywhere else, you have good people/bad people. The best is when someone outright hates me just because I am American and they don't take 2 mins to get to know me. Happened a few times, not many, but very hurtful.

My biggest frustration is in the workplace. The tally poppy syndrome! I work so hard, I run circles around our team, who come into the workplace everyday to socialise, text, do on-line shopping while I am doing the work of 2 full-timers. The Australians do not like to acknowledge this because I am not one of them. They like to put me down, keep me down, keep me quiet. My boss even told me to take it easy, don't work so hard, relax for 6 months, I have already kicked enough goals. Its okay, I know how to play the game. Every time I visit the USA and come back here I slip right back into my Aussie life, being a listener, not a big mouth, know it all as they think we are. I bite my tongue and tell them what they want to hear. Just being patient and counting down my days here.

I look forward to returning to my home-land next year. I have made a a few great friends here and I will miss them but I had heaps of struggles that I won't miss. I can't wait to be reunited with my family and be surrounded by unconditional love and support.

I will never forget that I cried every day for the first two years of being here simply because I found the majority of people to be so unfriendly when all I wanted was to make 1 friend. Is it so hard to just smile or wave hello.

I am so supportive to people I meet who just moved here, regardless of their background because I will never forget how hard it was for me in the beginning. We are all people, we are all human and it doesn't take too much to be welcoming, friendly, helpful.

Is it so hard to just smile or wave hello. EXACTLY ! why do so many ozzies find that so hard to do ? Lack of eye contact and lack of warmth. As for a normal meaningful conversation .....................

Good luck going back ! I wish you all the best, I am sure it will be fine ! You will be able to breath in again deeply and feel alive ! It's a great feeling ! :)

I'm fifth generation Australian and I actually know what you mean, I've found English, Canadian and French people, who I've met over here, much more friendly and open. Much easier to be with. I grew up in rural Australia and I've always found country Australians much friendlier, the type of people who will smile and greet a stranger. The towns people are another matter though, they can be so gossipy and standoffish....I don't know about other countries but I know that people here can be very mean.
I find some of the posts from other Australians just awful, they seem to be justifying your disappointment in Australia. It may depend on where you go though because I find Brisbane people much nicer and I've been told that Melbourne's immigrant Greek and Italian communities are very warm and welcoming compared to Sydney.
By the way I've been told by my English friends that I'm very well spoken for an Australian and I've been told by my Australian friends that I speak posh, which made them think I was "up myself" :\

You and your compadres wouldn't know what it missing in this soulless shtthole if it hits ya over the head! :)))

Are you hitting on me again?

sorry to hear your story!
I have been living in Australia for more than 20 years, and I feel the same as you feel.
I feel like crying everyday too. I have suffered mental break down while living here, because I find it's hard to make friends with Australians although I am willing to be friend with them, they don't seem like to. I have to hold a teddy bear to fall asleep every night.
wish you the best when going back!

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Hey this is right what i think and yes you are right

Wow. I am Australian and I can see where you are coming from in your post. I sometimes find my neighbours rude and, from time to time, can be shocked by the things I hear on the train. I do not however, think this is not a true reflection of Australia. I am not sure where you stayed when you were in Australia but am assuming, like most travellers, in the Eastern suburbs. If you went out to the Kensingtons and Essendons and Brunswicks of Melbourne you would have found a different story. We have people in Australia who are deep thinkers and pushing for a better world. We have protests against Asylum Seeker Policy and weekly political forums 'question time on abc' where those interested talk about politics on a National and International scale. Victoria has fast forward policy for disability and the City of Melbourne had a majority vote for the Greens in the last federal election. If you Google Adam Brandt Greens you will find that his party have some really forward thinking policy agendas. I think the Australia you saw was a result of having a negative attitude and not venturing and looking for the great in Australia.

Work a full time job living under a bridge the norm in this country come home at the end of a 40 hour week and not even have 40 cents to call your own meanwhile whilst people are selling up their multimillion$ property portfolios built on the foundation of arrogant soulless unconcionable inhumane greed capatalism and corruption and on the grassroot foundations and principals that noone gives a **** about anyone else .So much for your family getting a fair go as this so called lucky country

Two phrases, or mantras, as I prefer to call them, will be repeatedly heard regarding Australians and Australia. The mantras are “laid back and easy going” and “the best country in the world”.

To anybody having spent their formative years in Australia, these mantras take on an almost incomprehensible significance within their psyche. The mantras have been heard so often by the Australian that they create within the individual a sense of self assured certainty and smug confidence that they are indeed ”easy going and laid back people” who are “living the dream” in the “best country in the world”. It becomes part of their very existence and a “given” that Australia is indeed the “best country in the world” and is inhabited by “laid back and easy going” people. The endless indoctrination could even be compared with the unquestioning acceptance of certain “facts” by a religious group.

When any discussion arises which may lead to a questioning of the accuracy of these mantras, then the response from the indoctrinated Australian is quite predictable. They frequently become abusive, aggressive and angry. The response is frequently quite the opposite of “laid back and easy going” and could be compared with the attitude of a religious fanatic who has been presented with a point of view that may question, or, does not coincide with, his religious indoctrination.

In addition, the questioning or invitation to view the mantras from a humourous perspective also invokes rage from the indoctrinated Aussie. This is a similar response to the reactions of extreme religious groups when humour is used to invite discussion of their doctrines.

Again and again in this forum we have seen examples of this type of angry, aggressive, irrational and humourless response to any point of view which may question or invite discussion regarding the mantras that Australians are “laid back and easy going” or that Australia is the “best country in the world”.

Hi there. <br />
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I am Australian (and very proud to be from here) and I have also travelled extensively throughout North America, Europe and Asia. Your post was really disappointing to read because it was so rude and quite frankly - not true. Australia IS a wonderful country and we have some incredible people here. I work really hard at my job and at my studies. It is ridiculous to say that we are all under achievers and happy to take the credit for someone else's work. It's fine if you don't like it here but I wish you wouldn't make such cruel, untrue statements. It smacks of arrogance, ignorance, lack of insight and empathy. <br />
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We are not ill educated or thick, as this post makes us out to be. In fact, your own post has many spelling and grammatical mistakes. So perhaps you should address those before you slam other people down. <br />
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Your post is full of harsh generalisations. Australian culture is different to Canadian. It's sad that you couldn't break away from what you know and embrace something different. <br />
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Australia is not defined by its people. It is defined by its landscape as well. It is a rich, beautiful, sparse country. I'm not sure where in Australia you have been but perhaps you need to visit more of it. <br />
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I'm not going to bother writing more but I am truly saddened that you feel this way.

Hey don't you think you Australian you are pop Australia doesn't belong to you belongs to Aboriginal Australians,you are just a convict

Wow okiju45. There's an old saying. Better to keep your mouth closed and let everyone think your stupid instead of opening it and removing any doubt.

Left Australia about a month ago and I feel so relieved. The 3 years I spent there were such a nightmare. Don't want to see that place ever again. All the bs about "the lucky country" and all that is a big, fat lie.

You are talking a lot about yourself; - kinda funny! :))

hey, heeeey, pull up ya ******! Are'ya hitting on me now?
Shut up or I'll tell your boyfriend!

Hey the only true Australians are Aboriginal. And who build Australia Europeans people while Aussie White people doll badges drink and drugs.

Freeloader? Do you have any idea what your country collects from overseas people, whether they are on holiday, come to study, or perhaps apply for other visas? I would not call a student who pays about 13x the study fees as an Australian does (and mind you, there is no extra support or service of any kind in place) a free loader.
If someone wants to apply for a visa (already costing quite a fee), there are plenty of other documents that need be prepared/translated, keeping a whole range of professionals occupied. Ridiculously overpriced, of course. It's a whole economy, that immigration. Pays for a lot of Aussies on the dole/medicare.
And what do they get for it? Apart from beautiful weather and lovely landscape; mainly comments like yours. Jealousy, hatred and so-on. Australians seem to thrive on others mis-fortune, and usually prefer trying to make someone else's life miserable (especially when having a bit of an accent), instead of helping someone. And if someone seems to be coping despite the difficult environment....? He must be a freeloader!

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Also reading through responses people please don't feel the need to correct people's gramma who obviously have taken English as a second language because you just prove this guys point even more and I applaud anyone who voices their opinion.

The worst grammar usually comes from the true blue Ozzie. Semi literate, illogical and garbled responses is the standard usually displayed.

My point proven :)

I was born in Australia with a Maltese and South African background (white ) and while I admit Australian people can be very racist and pretty much retards I would like to also point out that at least we have opportunities in life it isn't so bad my family migrated for a reason and that was a better life and if they received it that's all that matters. Just give us Aussies that try some credit.

wow glad i read others with the same opinion. I just finished 2 months of travelling throughout Australia. I am from Europe and always heard great stories. Well, I realized quickly everything you just said. In my experience and opinion, I found Australia a copy of the United States, and I know Aussies do not like to hear this. Look at the history, mining, the lower class, poor, Europeans, etc. Now look where Australia is today. I have hardly heard any intellectual conversation. It seems they do not like to discuss things that go on around the world, and all live their Australian dream. I found Melbourne and Sydney pretty boring. Melbourne is a pot hole that is too crowded, and Sydney just seems too calm for me. Now, don't get me wrong. I think Australia has a lot to offer, it is beautiful. But I disagree with those who think Australia is HEAVEN or PARADISE. This is also because the divide between the poor and rich is getting bigger. The government does invest enough in infrastructure, and to get a professional job and get sponsored seems almost impossible now for Europeans. Taking in account that they help the Brits, so that many Aussies can work long term back in the UK. I know we have issues with racism in Europe, but Australia is still behind in time, and I 've heard so much negative racism from lots of Aussies, especially towards Abboriginals. Perhaps people don't want to accept, that Abboriginals were first humans on Australian continent, then the Dutch came (I am from Holland), and the Britis like they did in the USA, took over. That's just my 2 cents.

Will be interesting to see how the morons will react to this post!

So completely agree with you.Melbourne is sooo goddam boring, Australians dont discuss what is news or what is going on locally or further afield. Its called being insular.They are only interested in their own little bubble and like to hear themselves talk,usually about themselves. I hate
living here but will hav to wait till my child is grown up before I can go back home. Ive never felt Australia is home even after 16 years .I also hate the way most white Austraians dont give two hoots about the plight of the Aboriginals. I cant wait to leave.

I moved in Australia one year ago. I came from Greece and the reason why I returned to Melbourne is because my father is Australian and I thought why not?! Living in Australia is so ******* bad. The place itself feels boring LOTS and there is nothing to do but shopping. No special events, nothing new. The weather is plain nasty. Hate it. Making new friends is impossible. People seem nice but are cold. Finding a good job is IMPOSSIBLE. I wish I had known and never came here. Now I have lost my perfect job I had back in Greece and I am stack in a very boring place. Australia is fun only for Asians because their countries are ****** up. If you live in Europe or USA, stay away by any costs.

True,just shop shop shop.Boring as hell. Holidays consist of beach,bush,drinking coffee and eating and not much else.

Everything said is absolutely correct. I'm an Australian citizen with an ethnic background and ethnic sounding name. After living 27 years in Australia I was fed up with the arrogant, unintelligent, racist, foul mouthed, self righteous and ingnorant Aussies (just describing the average Aussie). I realised that in my 27 years I didnt have any Aussie friends. All of my mates were ethnic Aussies.

I moved to the UK on a 2 year visa and my eyes were opened. Immediately I felt accepted in a truly multicultural country (always felt as a second rate citizen in Oz despite being an educated professional). In the UK people treat each other with respect and are polite. They tend to keep their racial opinions to themselves and the place is full of culture and history. I've made so many British friends here in 2 years and have had so many job opportunities.

The sad part....as my visa is now finished I have to return to boganville. I'm devastated (devo). After reading this forum I'm remembering all the reasons why I hated living in Australia so much in the first place (rude bogans with bad hygeine and also the cost of living is crazy).

I've reached out to employment agencies in Oz and they say my experience is great but the clients want someone with local experience. When I tell them I'm an Australian citizen with 6 years professional experience in Aus they say they want someone with "recent" local experience. I've never heard of this phenomenon! I know that it's purely because of my ethnic sounding name. Uk and US strongly value global experience for multinational companies but not little old Oz.

Australia is good in some ways (good weather, beaches, nice house, a few decent Aussies) but overall the average Aussie is a very rude, arrogant, racist, low IQ person who thinks they're superior to every other nationality, but still cant string together a proper sentence.

I think Aussies need to put aside their egos and look at their culture/attitudes critically. And maybe learn a thing or two about other cultures. Also remove the F*** Off We're Full stickers from their cars because Australia is clearly not full. It just lacks infrastructure, but that's another story.

Also, what's with the no shoes thing? I mean seriously, walking around the streets with no shoes? It's like they get dressed in the morning and lose all motivation when they get to their feet.

I feel sorry :( Prepare yourself again for all this boring situation. :(

Nice one Rob!
Lets say I am a d***head for arguements sake. By your logic a d***head can make plenty of good mates of various cultures (european, american, middle eastern, asian) but no Australian mates. But only a non-d***head can make Australian mates? By that logic it sounds like the only d***head in the global community is the Australian. Namely you.

Having lived here a while I find Australians can be a rude and arrogant racist bunch.Also like to some how think they are better than you, , Australia is so far behind the rest of the world. When it comes to sport to they can get quite arrogant but then cry like sore losers when they loose,

Since I was born in Australia it's like the Buddha said: life is a great misfortune, and I would like to move one-way ticket to France. The people in Australia say painful things and they don't leave room for the ideal world. I didn't get any misfortune in Kenya, in fact I act on the Roman virtues, pretending to agree with people but with Australians you shouldn't be talking to anyone. I might be exaggerating but I'd rather live in the bush where suburbians and city-dwellers can't act like ignorant fools. Australians think they're wise people and a few times they called me a fool, that's not hurtful, but it's not like it's a compliment. When I'm courteous it's only my friends that tell me I'm very polite, the rest of the people call me rude. Every time I wear green or wear my hat the wrong way then go outdoors to wear it the right way I get a tad of misfortune, and apparently all the misfortune happened in Australia. This is a Christian country and this religion has ruined my life, they said I was about to go to hell, but I'm not Christian like them. Australians are unfriendly, angry and want to be left alone, I can't communicate with them, you get a lot of anti-intellectuals and they keep calling me stupid, idiot, insane, crazy, dumb, it's not true, sometimes I just want to, I won't go there.

I have been living in Mel for a year now and it is just BAD as you describe. I do hate most australians, so bitchy and losers.

I'm a french Canadian and I agree that Australia is a backward country with so many dumbs people out there. They are just like poors Americans ... located in the Pacific South, uncouths and with no maners ... OZ is really not a powerful country, only 23 000 000 citizens, technologicaly retarded in comparison with Canada (which is a member of the G7 (world economic powerest nations) ALENA, NATO) and the rest of the OECD, there is culture in Canada and we are proud to be what we are (the most envied nation in the world with Germany). Down under, the temperature can be great (for some people) but what about the F****** rest ? I just can't find anything else. I wouldn't change my country for this deep lost whole, I prefer snow with smarts , in shape and educated citizens. Canada ranks among the most prosperous countries in the world and will be part of the three wealthiest countries (PND per capita) by 2020 (currently the 10th). Innovation in OZ sucks so much ! We, Canadians have the canadarm technology (space), Bombardier (Aerospace: trains and planes), BlackBerry, widespread high speed internet available all over the country, etc. In sums we have the feeling to be part of the (real) advanced world, OZ are so isolated down under with others backward countries not too far from there ! BTW: Sorry for grammar mistakes, english is not my first language.

and how do Canadians rank for modesty ? It's not looking good so far.

You have to admit that he is mostly right thou! :)

I hate to say this, coming from a multicultural background myself (I was born in Southeast Asia, of East Asian heritage, but grew up and was educated in Canada and the USA extensively). Australians are a closed up lot despite the apparent friendliness, more so in the case of the workplace. Every time that I tried looking for a job as a permanent resident in Australia, nearly all the ads constantly reiterated "local experience". I do not get how you can have "local experience" if the employers do not give you the chance to get it first. It is a catch-22 situation, but I guess that I have learned to accept it for what it is in Australia.

I had a mixed bag of experiences, insofar as friends that I made in church back there were really ethnically Asian but were born in Australia, and hence straddled two worlds (Asia and Australia) culturally, while the housemates whom I bumped into turned out to be ethnically hostile Caucasians who loved to pick on me in terms of everything including me being an academic from Canada, being an Asian, and well, the list goes on, as well as the drunken parties which ensue every weekend with the perennial excuse of "Life is short. Who needs sleep on weekends anyway?" Well, I can only say that it is my luck to have met terribly nasty Aussies other than those good people from church.

Im a canadian living here too, married to an aussie girl and couldnt agree with you more.

I am always amazed at the way in which Aussies claim to be the only people with 'spirit'. Utter crap. Try watching other countries and their issues with natural disasters and emergencies and the way in which they come together with 'human spirit'. The biggest myth of them all? Anzac Day!! The Aussies were the only ones there apparently in what was a complete military disaster. Reports from Aussie troops on the ground that were hidden from public view so that the population could be 'sold' the 'spirit' with which this day is ridiculously supposed to honor. There were more Brits, French and Indians at that location and for longer with higher casualties. Get over yourselves Australia, realise and accept that your an infant in the worlds eyes, an infant with a bad attitude and who throws its toys out of the pram just because it can't accept that its the western worlds own third world experiment!

Where is their ******* spirit? They are so stupid!

Yes richard19 you are so absolutely correct. They (Australians) seem to think that only they know the meaning of mateship. A couple of years ago Eastern Germany had floods and the outpouring of help was incredible. Complete strangers travelling around the country to help in any way they could. People were setting up temporary childcare centres, cooking for others working, donating money, caravans, temp housing etc. It was an incredible show of human spirit.
Australians need to understand that they dont have a mortgage on "mateship". All European nations have "Comradeship" that is just as strong and meaningful, if not moreso.
Likewise whenever you ask about Australian culture - the same dumb, pathetic answer of "wegotfooty, BBQ's, the Anzac spirit blah blah blah. The Anzacs would be appalled at the attitudes and behaviour of modern day Australians. BBQ's and a love of the outdoors IS NOT CULTURE, it is a past-time and people the entire world over do it and love it as much as anyone else.
If you want to see culture, REAL culture - go to France, Germany, Italy and many, many other countries where it is embedded within the people, the architecture and of course their rich history.
Australia has a relatively small clique of high culture too however it is almost hidden from the public because the boganesque, lowlifes have got no idea. They think classical music is anything from the 1950's or 1960's and think the opera and ballet is for "poofs".
I've worked in some good jobs here (being born and bred here...unfortunately) and the number of people who stare blankly whenever I suggest a workplace outing to see the Sydney Symphony Orchestra or a visiting Operas is just incredible. They usually prefer to have a BBQ and pissup.
One of the many problems with this place is its isolation from other European style countries. A significant proportion of the population never travel any further than Bali so they do not get the experiences of living / working or just interacting with other people from around the world. I have to say too that the so-called education system here has been slowly dumbing people down for some decades now, pushing out high school graduates who cannot think for themselves, who seek happiness in materialism (retail therapy), completely devoid of any higher calling in life. If they have their beer, football and BBQ's, along with the widescreen TV and the odd holiday to some location in Australia they are happy. Fat, dumb and happy.
Many public places are full of ugly shopping malls or some other retail eyesore. Despite being blessed with natural mineral resources I am yet to see any real money being spent on cultural development. How fantastic would it be to see a brand new opera house or public monument that incorporates the greatness of classical Greek architecture...nope, instead we get some rubbish, new-age garbage created by an ex-heroin addict with the politicians and other tossers who rule the art world down here all slapping themselves on the back.
Shopping malls and suburban stretches of shoddily built, ugly slapped up, overpriced houses are the norm for Australia unfortunately. The nations fathers had a chance to build an icon of European beauty here in the south pacific but decided to line their own pockets instead.
I can't wait to get out of here - I am taking my entire family to live in Europe. Yes it is cold and much more populated but it is so much better than this hot, backward place.
Apologies to the many good Australians out there who suffer as I do.

I think we can all plainly see that the "grammarical" error is a simple typo. This is quite different from the average Aussies inability to distinguish betwixt there, their and they're or any number of other errors that cannot be picked up by a spell checker. Note that he indignant Aussie below, has, true to form, expressed insult and derision in an attempt to discredit the poster who has upset the hypersensitive Aussie by posting an experience which contradicts the "mantras and indoctrination"
http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Living-In-Australia/3125820
In the qwerty keyboard, the r is next to the t.

I'd just like to point out that while I was reading this, I was grimacing at the multiple grammatical errors you made. I think the icing on the cake was when you said you expected "grammarical" errors in replies from Australians. My Australian pinky finger is more literate than your Canadian narrow mind.

An other grammatical genius unable to comprehend anything that isn't dogmatically correct from a closed minded robotic mindset.

I am not a self-proclaimed grammatical genius. As an American who has lived in the UK and Australia as well, I also certainly am not close-minded. There were some valid points raised in this argument, but complaining about illiterate Australians using that standard of English is a massive contradiction.

It is not the poster's English grammar that is sub standard. It is his typing skills and occasionally his spelling. He nevertheless displays a much better grasp of grammatically correct English than do the majority of Aussies who have posted in this forum. Incidentally, close means nearby. Closed means shut. Correct English in this case is closed. But then maybe it is that Aussie pinky finger that is causing all the problems and is typing away all on its own, not listening to anybody, not even the American who has an Australian pinky finger.

It is more the case of the "Stinky finger" Down-Under! :)

Contradiction? Elizabeth - you can talk. You're a cheating ***** yet go around making out you're a saint. Karma will catch up with you.

It's funny googling this username and the person behind it. First she's not Australian, and second she's the biggest lying, manipulating, selfish person alive.

You will never be a real Australian. They are honest people who give others respect. Something you are not capable of.

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Hi there. I grew up in Toronto and now live in Perth, where I lecture at The University of WA. A few things you have mentioned are true and some others are false. Let's start with some of the fallacies of your argument:
Your final paragraph reads,
"enjoy the illiterate, grammarically incorrect, spelling error ridden, ..."
Here is an expose of your spelling and grammar.
1. "Excepting?" No such a word. You obviously mean "accepting".
2. "Uncouth", not "uncooth".
3. "Bigot", not "biggot".
4. "Merit", not "merrit".
5. "Under-achievers", not "achievers"
6. "Else's", not "elses"
7. "Overpays it's population?" You mean "its". "It's" is a contraction of "it is".
8. "Friends", not "freinds"
9. You keep on writing "it's" instead of "its". Remember, "it's" is a contraction of "it is" , not the possessive of "it".
10. You also write "your" when "you're" is correct. "You're" is a contraction of "you are". "Your", on the other hand, is the possessive of "you", e.g. "your national pride."
The amazing thing is that my spell-checker wouldn't even ALLOW me to make most of these errors.
I think you must realise by now that you made a lot of spelling and grammar errors in a short article. The errors are not just typos.
You consistently make two mistakes typical of children in late primary school and early high school: "it's/its" and "your/you're". I would guess that you probably have the same problem with "there/their/they're".
You have raised some good points about Australia (a lot of Australians are rude and lazy and it's too expensive here), but you ruin it by accusing Australians of having terrible grammar and spelling. Obviously, you come across as an uneducated and ignorant hypocrite. As for the White Australia Policy, it was forty years ago. Australia is not a racist country anymore by international standards. In fact, it's one of the only countries in the world where racial vilification is illegal. Legislation changes behaviour.
Australia is a very stratified country and my concern is that you haven't chosen to live in a nice, middle-class area. I don't see meat pies on the menu in any of the (over-prices) places I eat but they are on the menu in the lunch bars in the industrial areas. I must say that when I was in Toronto in January, the prices were great but after leaving a 20% tip, they worked out the same as Australia.

Thank yooou for tha lekturre!
Aij hope we doonet haffe to paj youei, and Yaou are nod asking fore a 20% tippe aitherr.
Yaou velly velly luckey man, spicka di Engliis perrfeketelly.
Molto bene raggazi!

My god you are pathetic. All your reply is capable of is not picking on somebody's grammar. Its hardly constructive is it? I got bored reading your reply and I'm sure most others did as well, but the little I did read coincided with the suggestion Aussie don't pay attention when spoken to. Somebody is giving criticism about something and all your thinking off is their grammar and spelling. What a useless waste of life you are. Are you a bogan chance?

Awesome!! Good work

why does this brilliant article not appear in the main page for "I hate living in Australia". Are they leaving out all the old stories ?

You ******* sook. Go back to Canada.

Another bogan... Its you they're complaining about. Crawl back under your log poofter.

u bogan dog ****** go **** ur ***** dog of a ***** mother

I've lived in Australia my whole life and agree with whole-heartedly with every part of this post. I was born here and have lived here my whole life and in my opinion it's the worst country in the world. I'm still young, but I'm planning to move to America (for good) as soon as possible, and am looking at places in California.

Australians definitely have the lithium look, for the most part they are indeed proud underachievers who have an aversion to hard work. They don't want to achieve anything for themselves but if they see someone else who's made it they'll lose an arm and a leg to try to bring them down.

Also, they're generally quite dumb. Conversations seem to lack substance and they honestly do look like zombies. I hate this ****** country and can't wait til I move to America, land of the free and home of the brave, I'm also going to become a citizen.

100% true!!!

Have you been to America??? High crime, bad education system, poverty, GM food, TSA, ignorant and arrogant people, list goes on!!!!! I'm 14 years old and mixed race, born in America and living in Australia (though moving to Singapore soon!), I've never experienced racism and I'm friends with many races, I have Australian (white Australian and Aboriginal), Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Korean, Sri Lankan, Vietnamese, Russian and Middle Eastern friends and no conflict. Really the only racist, homophobic and xenophobic uneducated people are bogans which I'm saying aren't common!! Though xenophobia is common because Australians are worried immigrants are going to take 'our jobs' ignoring the fact that even white people like my dad are also 'taking their jobs'!

Yes food is expensive but at least it's not genetically modified!!!!!!! Real estate is damn expensive!!! Their should be a lot more higher density housing in cities or it's just going to turn into LA. Public transportation also needs whole lot more improvement. If you look at Europe or cities like Hong Kong, Singapore or Tokyo in Asia, because of high density housing, transportation can be more frequent and better unlike in the outer suburbs of big cities in Australia where it can take 30 minutes to an hour for a bus or train.

"Australians seem like they're all on Lithium. They have this vacant look in their eyes and don't seem to listen when spoken to. Perhaps that's why they're so unreliable. No one reads here or strives to better their understanding of the world around them. I've never been anywhere else like it. It's like some giant science experiment gone wrong. They frequently go on about what a great country Australia is but there's no merit behind." I somewhat agree with you though you basically just described America in my opinion, LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE!!!

You really can't generalize about a country of over 20 million people like I shouldn't be of a country of over 300 million people (we may not be quite at the same level lol) but I'm really intrigued to know where this occurred cause I haven't really seen this in Canberra or Melbourne.

Haha...well, it's been just under a year since we moved to Oz and I have to say your post is hilarious. One of the things my wife and I did within the first week of arriving here was create our own "things that are annoying about Australia". I admit, a lot of it is fairly superficial, but the list was created in just a matter of minutes. Guess we are spoiled being from the UK... For your enjoyment, had to delete a couple that were a little too mean...
Annoying things about Australia:
1. No customer toilets in city establishments
2. Crappy television and radio programming
3. Insanely overpriced automobiles/crap financing
4. Pricey food with Woolworth's/Cole's duopoly
5. Minimal healthy/organic/locally sourced/regulated fresh eating options
6. **** poor mobile phone coverage
7. Expensive housing market with 1970s house styles
8. Half car/half truck Ford Falcons that look ridiculous
9. Far away/expensive to get to Europe and North America
10. Fashion and cars feel like you are living in the 90s
11. Preponderance of dangerous wildlife
12. Listening to the radio is like going back at least ten years
13. Trademark issues...Target is not really Target...Kmart not Kmart, etc
15. Junk food everywhere
16. Ranked 2nd for quality of life but yet has compulsory voting, Aboriginal issues, brain drain, highest skin cancer rates, one of worlds worst CO2 polluters
18. Christmas in 100 degree heat
22. Mel Gibson born here
23. Tap water tastes like dirt and bottle water extremely expensive
24. Wifi is hit or miss...usually capped or pay out the nose
25. No granola cereal just crap called Sanitarium and baked muesli
26. Schools not as good as other countries unless go private
27. Economy based on non-renueable resources/Chinese investment
28. 20 million people crammed into 3 or 4 major cities
29. World's safest child safety restraint system not "legal" here until 2013
30. No high speed rail
31. Salt, lots and lots of salt
32. Lack of hygienic restrooms...ie no soap
33. Utes
34. No good family restaurants or pubs...not very family friendly
35. No Amazon.au
36. $15 for a pint of beer!
37. Roy and HG...didn't know these two existed until we tried to watch live winter Olympic coverage...oh and some show called biggest loser...yeah, I'd much rather watch that than see the world's nations compete live in one of the greatest sporting events of the year...sheesh (okay, we just added that one)

22. No. Mel Gibson was born in the United States. He spent a few years in Australia as a teenager and young man.

23. Tap water, at least in western Sydney tastes like it's come from the swimming pool. Too much chlorine.

8emma, I think your response demonstrates clearly the point made by another poster. The point was that Australians take everything personally. There is a hypersensitivity and readiness to take offence and to leap to the defence when any discussion is raised which does not laud each and every aspect of life in an over regulated, conformist and self centred society. Much of your response above demonstrates conformist thinking in line with the accepted norms for someone of your age who has been educated in Australia. There are politically correct doctrines sprinkled throughout your post, seasoned with a flavour of indignant outrage.

These observations regarding "The blank stares. The timid, angry looks people give." "The complete lack of having a decent conversation with one of them, providing you can engage them in the first place." and "don't seem to listen when spoken to." are exceptionally accurate and apparent to anybody who has lived outside of Australia for any length of time.

I'm Australian, and I spent five years studying to become a dentist. I hope I'm educated enough to never make such offensive remarks as you have done. You're generalizing about the attitudes and intelligence of 21 million people. Need I explain the hypocrisy?

On another note, You misspelled merit. Also in your second last paragraph you used "your" instead of "you're" when advising people not to come to Australia... that quite negates the point of your last paragraph, doesn't it? I suggest you worry about your own literacy.

I think it should be "as you have made" not "as you have done" .......... Anyway, most Australians don't know the difference between their, there and they're, never mind your and you're. So, well spotted ..... mate. However, the minor spelling errors do not negate the points being made by the writer. The remarks may offend one who is sensitive to criticism. To other people, who do not take things personally, they may simply be accurate observations. http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Living-In-Australia/3125820

Hahaha! That serves me right for writing in anger and not proofreading. It’s probably the same mistake the author made. Well done.

I actually agree with a lot of the points the author made about the political side. His comments about the cost of living, real estate, government corruption, even error-riddled newspapers (now I’m being hypocritical) are views I hold myself. However, I’ve had no formal training in economics or global politics so my opinions on such matters are completely valueless.

Nevertheless, criticising a country’s government and policy is completely different to encouraging prejudice against a population. That is what I find offensive. The Australia part of it is unimportant. You could replace “Australian” with “Asian”, “homosexual”, “deaf”, “Canadian” or “the poor” and it’s equally offensive. Treating or viewing a person with fear, contempt, or disdain based on their national origin is bigotry. I don’t care if you’ve lived in China for ninety years and hated every person you’ve encountered. That is not justification for disliking any other Chinese person you meet in the future, or for making discriminatory remarks about the population as a whole.

The author even suggests that a nation’s people can be defined by the attitudes of previous governments. Is he implying that people can be judged by the actions of their predecessors, years before they were even born? By that reasoning, all Germans hold nationalist socialist ideals, all Americans support the war in Afghanistan, and the Swiss are sexist (Switzerland didn’t grant women’s suffrage until 1977).

I’m not suggesting that Australia is the best place to live or that all of its people are saints. There are racists, xenophobes, sexists, drunks, morons and the obnoxious loud-and-proud-whilst-on-vacation variety. Such people can be found in every country. To say that you have a real dislike for a group of people, where all you know about them is their nationality (or ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religion, socioeconomic status, disability, etc.) is offensive.

Am I really too sensitive? Imagine reading a blog where someone wrote that ten years of experience has led him to the conclusion that Latin Americans as a whole are unreliable, lazy, uneducated, uncouth, underachievers, selfish, boring, rude and illiterate. Any decent person would object to such an attitude, and rightly so. Are they too sensitive?

I hope that the author simply wrote this in anger and doesn’t actually use this kind of thinking when he interacts with people. I’m saddened that he’s had such a horrible experience here. I hope he can return to Canada with his wife and children. I mean that in a “live wherever makes you happy” way, not “if you don’t like it, get out!” way.

When the majority of Aussies, have only an embarrassingly limited knowledge of the rest of the world, have nothing but utter disrespect for anything and everything that isn’t a clone and a carbon copy of themselves, your well formulated but inaccurate argumentation is meaningless. Any person with an accent, other than Oiyshtroylian English is considered to be of a lesser intelligent human being by most Australians and open game to ridicule.
Having a truly multi-culti background, it strikes me as utterly unimportant how grammatically correct some persons language is, compared to what they are saying as long as they say it comprehensible to everyone. It has only any meaning in corporate contracts, but that is not what we are here for.
The argument that there is good and bad in every country is just an escape in to “misplaced, misguided bigotry that can’t be excused with any argumentation in the face of reality”. The level of vile character in Australians is totally out of proportion, compared to the rest of the developed world.
The Australian Brainwash is relentless, they never miss an opportunity to teach each other to love their country without any regard and consideration to keep it balanced for the reason of unhealthy Nationalism. The emerging rightwing Nationalism isn’t doing Australia a favour, and this forum is only a very small part of the protest that is taking place an many more levels, there is negative national and international attention to these matters if you like to believe it or not. International students for instance would have had an incredible positive impact on the Australian economy, but Aussies in their idiotic nationalistic (and racist) mindset can’t see past the tip of their noses.
But I am very much the opinion that any well founded reasoning is lost on the mostly average Aussie patriotic clown. You see, I am very much capable of respecting you personally when a conversation is halfway reasonable, but I am very pessimistic and unconvinced of respect by any Aussies to any argument coming from anyone not being a ”fair-dinkum true blue know it all better”.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Are you asserting that Australians are inherently bad, or that it is the environment in which they are raised that predisposes them to a vile disposition? Or perhaps a combination of both?

What I am trying to say is that Aussies don't get taught. from early age, to live in symbiosis with others to the benefit of everyone, instead they get taught a "I am alright screw you Jack" doctrine, be antagonistic, confrontational and many of them are even proud of it.
Aussies will have to learn to work with the rest of them in a globalized world, instead of trying to dominate when interacting with people. But as it stands, they are going to learn mutual respect of others, the hard way.

Upyours, you can see it, I can see it, but it is very difficult for a true blue Aussie to see it, especially those who have not lived abroad for a considerable number of years and during these years learned to listen and stop being so loud and arrogant.

Thanks for that clarification. You’ll notice I didn’t argue that Australians are good, or that the government is good. You’re preaching to the choir on that one. Australia has massive problems, including racism, in amongst a sea of general xenophobia. It’s undeniable. My argument is that making blanket statements about a population based on nationality is unethical.
What is your opinion; Is it morally acceptable to make judgements about a person based only on their nation of origin?

If it is acceptable, I’d really like to know why. Clearly my ethical system is flawed, or I’m poorly educated, or not worldly enough.

If it is not, then the broad statements you are making about the population are ethically wrong. Isn’t it better to judge a person by the content of his or her character? Instead of judging him when you find out where he was born, why don’t you find out what he believes? If he reveals himself as an ardent follower of archaic nationalistic rubbish, and refuses to listen to any criticism, then you can make a fair judgement of his being an idiot. I can’t assume every North Korean supports the indoctrination of children and the damaging beliefs perpetuated through that police state. I can’t assume that all North Koreans consider themselves the superior “cleanest” race, even though many of them would have been taught that from a young age. I can only assess each person I meet individually. To do otherwise is to presume that all of those people are too stupid to ever think for themselves.


Criticize the system that fosters such abysmal attitudes in its people. That’s the way to make change. Don’t let it affect how you treat an individual who may or may not agree with that system. If there are protests on a national and global scale, that’s great news.

When 50 encounters with Aussies turn sour, number 51 is probably taken just for another idiot; I have to admit to be guilty of that.
It is very refreshing to talk to an Aussie who makes sense for a change, I hope that your character and attitude is going to rub of on as many people as possible in the future. The whole world is getting more and more entwined, economically as well as socially, Australia will have a much easier time adjusting to it by trying to be part of it then having delusional thoughts of superiority. Think East Timor, Indonesia and International students and the rest of it, not to mention western Europeans who come here ill-informed.

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I completely agree with you. As an Australian myself, i have become disillusioned with Australia and its People. Our people suck, we are a fat, lazy, hedonistic, over sexed, over drugged, racist, moronic, government believing, technologically inferior group of people. We dont read, we know nothing about the outside world. Australian people are dumb enough to the believe the governments lies. We are also dumb enough to pay for extremely low quality products at insanely high prices. We pay top dollar for third world quality. Our education system is absolutely ****, our internet is ****, our roads are ****, our hospitals are ****, our cars are ****, we have a non-existent culture, we only speak English, we have absolutely no historical merit. We still haven't abandoned our British roots. We continue to oppress and treat the Indigenous population like ****. Australians are totally ignorant to the way we treat our Native Population. We continue to sell our assets, our farm and residential land, our electricity and water grid to China and our Nations.

I hate this Country so much. Being an Australian, its hard for me to admit this stuff, buts all totally true.

A long list of an honest Australian, and yet not near complete. But only the admission to the truth will make people pull their finger out, and is the way for betterment and not the applause of misleading unfounded propaganda.

First of all I like British Columbia. I can't comment on the rest of Canada as I haven't been to the other provinces) So I will retain a little more class than yourself. I won't be rude. I've been to Canada a few times (last visited in December 2013) where the minimum rate of pay is $10.00 per hour, which accounts for the low cost of food. You conveniently omit the fact that Canadian Middle and lower class are so poorly paid. Aspiring to have a better "rental" property seems to be the goal for the average Canadian. I prefer to pay a price for my goods and services that allows me to be paid appropriately and therefore buy my own place and not have to rent someone else's.Those that complain about the cost of goods have either not travelled abroad or if they have,they walked around with their eyes closed.Yes we have our share of anti social people. Perhaps as a well travelled Canadian you've never been to Surrey in BC(British Columbia) or travelled the sky train! Perhaps you weren't reading the Huffington Post when the low life's featured in the Vancouver riots made headlines. Oh! I forgot, anyone living in Vancouver City will blame it on "others".Rascism to varying degrees is alive and well in Australia as it is elsewhere. Perhaps you and your French counterpart are aware of the rascist views that many Canadians hold against French Canadians and vice versa. I'm aware, as you would be that French Canadians are vocal in their push for a separate State. I'm also aware that other Canadians are sick of it and I've heard many say that they should ship off to France.The Canadian track record with its own Native population is no better than our own with the Australian Aboriginal people. Canadians are more focused on importing rich Chinese and Indians from the sub continent. It's a policy that is killing the dream of home ownership for the next generation of young Canadians. When you get home take a walk through a retail district and count the number of white, sub continent Indians, Chinese, Japanese and Negro workers and then count the number of Native Indian people with jobs. If you want us to be ashamed get ready to join us in apologising.How we are viewed Internationally is of little consequence to those of us who love our country. Having been to the US they have nothing to aspire to . Again an advertised minimum wage of $10 per hour. Though I'm not surprised, if your monument says " Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses..." Do this for long enough and you end up with masses of tired poor people.Surprise! With 20 million illegal immigrants in the US their struggle to free themselves of the mess that they are in is an Everest of a task. I like the US so I wish them well. The need for low product costs, something that you seem to hold dear has given them Detroit City. The first bankrupt city in US history. Japan( been there 3 times) is perhaps one of the greatest over rated countries on the planet. A recession since the early 90's, an unemployment rate that is artificially created( ever been to a Japanese Petrol station and had 6 people race out to you and offer you irrelevant forms of service)The UK and France, well they're on their way to being the new North Africa. Having viewed North Africa on the news for so long they must be truly excited! Day by day having to deal with more and more people who have little education, that distrust the country they have moved to, that possess different values. Spain, Greece etc, their desire to avoid taxes and embrace the afternoon nap has truly paid dividends. The Middle East! Turn on the news and discover the peace, high living standards and freedom for women that exists in Syria, Egypt ,Iraq, Iran and othersSo feel free to voice your opinions, I for one don't mind. Your use of the word hate and the statement "this country sucks" suggest that we are lucky that you will be leaving this country soon. When you do, be sure to travel, open your eyes and don't be afraid to close your books and focus on the realities of life rather than those written by others.Better still, encourage your business associates to employee Native Indian Canadians and prove to yourself that you are not rascist. We in Australia wish you well.

Hi, I'm Brazilian living in the USA for almost 30 years and I went to Australia for the first time about 13 years ago...Fell in love with the country, being from Rio it just fits me perfectly, the beaches, the people etc... We are planning to move this year to a place very close to Byron Bay (Ocean Shores) since my wife's sister married an Aussie and lives in the region...But I have to confess that after reading almost all the posts on this "I hate Australia" thread my heart sunk, my main concern isn't the racism and cost of living but the school system, I have two kids and as any loving father I want the best for them...Another concern is the work situation, I live in LA and work on the animation industry and I wonder if I could make a living and still work on the art field. My experience with Australians is that they are very good, friendly people and the country is gorgeous. I wish for a more free, out doors life style for my children, here they watch TV the whole day and are constantly bored...Well, I wish also that I could write as well as you people do but although I agree with some of the criticisms here my overall feeling is that Australia is wonderful and I feel more "at home"there than the USA. And this is not a tourist view because I lived in Ocean Shores for 9 months in 2003. Cheers.

Hello Marcelo,

You and your family will be just fine. I think what is important for anyone that moves to another country is that they remain positive about their new destination. Australians aren't wanting anyone to forget about who they are or where they have come from, we just want people to embrace the country that they have chosen to move to.

Being Brazilian you are likely to be a soccer fan. Australia's primary sporting code is the Australian Football League or the AFL as it is commonly referred to. The AFL Grand Final attracts a crowd of over 100,000 people! The final is played in Melbourne which is the capital city of Victoria.
Having said that NSW is a strong rugby league state( different to rugby union). Soccer or football as you would call it is a growing sport in Australia and NSW has a couple of teams in the national league. The Central Coast Mariners are probably the closest to where you will be living. There is no American style NFL or Grid Iron competition in Australia, none of any consequence that is. We do have an established National Basketball Competition with most teams having two American imports. Understanding and appreciating Australian AFL is a good idea. If I moved to Canada or the US I would learn to appreciate ice hockey , if I moved to Brazil I would learn to appreciate football(or soccer as I call it). It's a part of adopting ones culture. If one refuses to learn about another's culture then they will never be accepted by that culture.

I'm not aware of the extent of the animation industry in Australia but I suspect the main hubs are in Sydney and Brisbane. Having said that I assume that your industry is able to work remotely due to the role that computers play in animation development.

I don't live on the east coast but I have travelled through the central coast of NSW on my way to QLD and it truly is a beautiful part of Australia. It's also a quick flight to Sydney, Melbourne or Brisbane.

The school system is more than adequate. Larger centres have more options of course but the smaller centres have less social pressures. Keep talking to your kids and give them constant support and things will stay on track. Private after school tutors can also make a big difference.

Currently there's over 160,000 Brazilians living in Australia and NSW has the largest population.

Remember that you will encounter good and bad Australians and we as Australians will encounter good and bad people from other countries. What i can say is that the good will far outweigh the bad.

Good Luck!

Ps. You will pay more for your coffee in Australia but you will also receive a much higher hourly rate than North America.

And because you don't know it any better, there is nothing wrong with Australia, isn't it?
Only people having your unrealistic view, have the only legitimate view because you consider yourself educated. You have done well for yourself in Australia and who cares about the rest who have got a gut full of all the deceit, lies and bull. Bull doesn't travel very far unless it is very well hidden by remoteness and hypocrisy, and it start to show by the sharp decline of enterprises that had almost iconic status in the Lucky country. What are you going to live on realistically? Agriculture and Mining? Is that your big dream of a prosperous country? Are they going to support all Australians?
Regarding Marcelo; you are going to suck him in and spit him out like disposables!

You are totally correct. For example name one world class Australian company. A BMW, BP, Shell, HSBC, Apple etc

Thanks for your response. Well I'm that kind of "strange" Brazilian who really never got into soccer ( only the World Cup of course) as you certainly have those Aussies who don't watch Rugby or Cricket but my son ( 12 years old) and I are into martial arts( Judo, UFC etc...) and crazy about SURFING! And that's no shortage of that in Australia. My wife and I have embraced Australia the first time we came, I guess that was love at first sight and in all my trips down under I've never encountered those "awful bogans" that many of the posts on this thread have described maybe that has to do with the area that I usually go which is very multicultural with people from everywhere. Sure I've bumped against one or two *** holes but I've got that in all the places that I've lived in my life. I really appreciate your words but it's a difficult decision... To uproot a family of five and move to another continent requires a lot of courage and I'm no spring chicken anymore(54) but the good thing is that we have family there(my wife's sister, aussie husband and two kids) which are wonderfully helpful and welcoming people. My wife will be applying for the Visa because I'm already too old (the limit is 50 years old) and let's see if we get lucky...All the best mate!

By the way Marcelo, when I say educated Australian I mean that I finished high school! I didn't go to University. I come from a working class family and have made a life of doing the right thing and respecting the rules of society.
Just be wary of those that are filled with bitterness. On this site you can usually identify them by their username. Just don't respond, life is way too short.

It is not bitterness it is contempt and a feeling of European/Canadian superiority towards Australians. Watch out for the ingrained dishonesty and deceit. For example, I was moved here with work. The Australian branch of the company said they would pay air fares for myself, wife and son. Once we got here they simply refused to pay. They admitted they agreed to but said 'it is just what you do mate'. In their moronic minds they had got one over on me. My old boss in Europe was so embarrassed by this he paid the flights out of his budget.

This kind of deceit is the normal way of life here, what is maybe more disturbing is that they have the nerve to call you a liar when you bring it up or tell you that it happens everywhere in the world. They are used to their vile ways to the extent that they can't possibly imagine that there are actually people with integrity and not as anti-social as they are.
When this educated dude is talking about doing the right thing according the rules of society; he is actually telling us that he was doing whatever it took to get what was expected of him, regardless of any ethical or moral standards. And because there aren't any ethical or moral standards to speak of, NOBODY has got to feel guilty about anything that may has offended or done over someone else to elbow your way towards your objectives. They wouldn't have a clue what we are on about. THEY have no standards, weather ethical, moral or social.

Strange. You talk a lot about sport but forgot to tell him about the 13 year old girl on the news recently for racially abusing a coloured player at a football match. Or the man (season ticket holder) who done the same, got to stay in the ground and keep his season ticket. Then there was the racist abuse Monty Panesar got for not been white or the 11 year old boy on the Queensland news abused by middle aged Australian males for wearing a Pakistani cricket top in the park. When you arrive in Australia remember to turn your watch back 20 years. Truly the land that time forgot.

Whether he gets paid more here than in the USA depends on the type of work he does. Not all Americans are on minimum wage. Some jobs (mainly white collar) attract higher rates of pay than they do in Australia.

If you are worried about your kids do not come here. No culture or intellectualism. Education system is simply awful. Levels of violence are through the roof. The white males are a sub species that can turn violent for the smallest reasons. The levels of racism are truly shocking for 2014. A country where their greatest pleasure is delighting in their own ignorance.

Not to mention the police. Nobody has ever mention those individuals. I have to tell, I prefer to solve my matters with a criminal and not to find any help from a police officer. That's the level of the safety and security here.

Hi Marcelo,

I know that if you read only these blog posts, it would make Australia seem like an awful place to live, but it really is not as bad as some of these posts make out. I worked a long time at a souvenir shop in Melbourne and I met travellers from all over the world, most of whom loved their time here and had great experiences. It was fascinating to share in their tales of adventure.

It does depend on where you live a little though, as some of the more rural locations and some of the more out of the way cities (like Darwin and Brisbane) still hold on to a bit of a bogan mentality left over from the previous generation who weren't as used to people from other countries living here. These areas are also predominently white (with indigenous populations also) so it is more uncommon to have people of other nationalities there. That being said, these places are still fine to travel to and are some of the most beautiful parts of Australia scenically.

My advise would be to live in and around Melbourne or Sydney and just travel to these other parts to see the sites. The younger generations, especially around Melbourne and Sydney have grown up in a multicultural society and are used to people of all nationalities and races living here. At my school we had people of all nationalities studying there (predominantly from Asia) and there were no incidents of racism that went on (and this was 10 years ago). Of course there are always exceptions to the rule, and it seems like some of these people commenting here have had bad times and have branded a whole nation with the actions of a few.

Byron Bay is a beautiful area and especially if you love surfing and the outdoors then this is the place to be. You get a lot of new agers, old hippies and new hippies, hipsters, yuppies, lots of tourists (both interstate and international) and just normal folk in and around this area. As a result of this there are good cafes, restaurants, water sports and good services. Also, a really great arts scene has developed in Byron Bay, so I am sure there should be a number of opportunities to get involved in arts projects. I am not too certain however about animation work around Byron, so you may have to travel to Sydney for that kind of work, unless you can work from home, or run your own business. I know Melbourne has a good scene for animation but I don't know about Sydney. I think it may have been in Sydney where they animated Finding Nemo and Happy Feet (not 100% on that though). I know we do have a lot of great animators but they often move overseas to work in the US. If you were looking for locations in the Melbourne area which are surfing/outdoors appropraite for living then I would suggest Torquay (though Byron will be warmer for more of the year).

I agree with the original post about some of the issues surrounding our politics but it does depend on which way you lean politically. I am a lefty environmentalist, so I am very unhappy with the current government and its policies. The current government represents a very far right view point and I believe this is encouraging racism, biggotry and sexism to come out of the woodwork. There are however a lot of people who are very unhappy about this. The problem is that we are an aging nation, so this government largely represents the view points held by older generations who grew up with these ideals being acceptable. I disagree a lot with the original posters comment that Australian's care about nothing. There are many Australians that care about a lot (myself being one), you just have to go to the state library in Melbourne to see this - there is pretty much a (peaceful) protest going on every other day. There was recently one for refugee rights, and then another against the culling of sharks in Western Australia, and then more recently one with 100,000 people around the country against the current government's policies. The other problem is that the media here is owned mostly by Rupert Murdoch (who now lives in the US and also owns Fox) who is well known for his right-wing view points and he is a known friend of the current prime minister. So the media here have a habit of whipping up a frenzy around racist issues, helping them to blow out of proportion. There are also one or two old dinosaurs kicking about talk-back AM radio that are openly homophobic, racist, xenophobic and sexist and they constantly add fuel to the fire and dish out mis-information especially to the older generation, who are their main audience. So they along with the Murdoch-opoly help create a fear of refugees and immigrants within the older generations and some more of the gullible younger generations. That would be my main critism of Australians - is that they listen too much to the media and don't question them enough. I think it is because once upon a time journalists were credible and people still view them as an authoritarian voice, even though their credibility is now lost.

The other issue is obviously the cost of living and the monopoly/duopoly of several major grocers/retailers. You can get around this though as their are many independent grocers/organic and helth stores/bakeries/community supermarkets etc. and you can easily find majority of your food supplies from these and pretty much avoid the big retailers. The cost of living is high and it is a concern for my generation down but we do have a higher rate of pay than many nations and a welfare system for struggling individuals. I hope that the housing bubble eventually bursts though and housing becomes more affordable. I agree with one of the above posts about needing higher density housing in and around major cities and along public transport networks.

The education system is a perfectly good system here and is covered by a national curriculum to make sure schooling is fairly even across the board. You probably will find better quality teaching at a private school but you will have to pay for it. You can still get a good education at a public school and you can always get extra tutoring to help your children and enrol them in extra curricular activities like music or language lessons to make the most of their education. Unlike what the original poster seem to suggest, there is definitely a culture of intellectualism especially in the main southern cities, where most high school students now continue on into university education. Uni degrees can be pricey BUT they are partially subsidised by the government and then the rest of the payment is deferred until the graduate has found work paying over $40,000 a year (bit by bit payments of the uni loan then come out along with tax every pay). This makes it easy enough to get a degree as you don't need any down payment to get into uni. I have myself completed two degrees and now have continued on to my Masters. I am not certain if the same loan applies for international students (who I think have to be full fee paying) so by then it would probably be helpful for your children to have become citizens so they can make the most of these education loans and subsidies. Universities here are a thriving hub of all different people, from mature aged students, students straight from high school, people with disabilities, international students, LBGT individuals and everyone in between. There are groups to join, protests, sporting competitions and lots of extra activites, meaning many opportunities to meet new and interesting people from all walks of life. In Melbourne and Sydney (especially Melbourne) there are thriving arts and music scenes and lots of people to have interesting discussions with. To say that all Australian's have nothing interesting to say (as the original poster did) is rubbish. There are probably a few under-educated individauls who lack life experience that wouldn't have much to say in conversation out there, but I must stress how vastly varied Australia's population are. There really are people from all walks of life. There are refugees who have made this place home and can tell you amazing stories of their struggles. There are older people who have lived through wars and have fascinating tales to tell. There are young people who have a head for philosophy, art and science that can talk to you on any number of intellectual subjects, there are people who have lost everything in bush fires including their family members and have lived to tell the tale. Like anywhere in the world, everone has a story to tell, you just need to lend them an ear.

Anyway I am sorry for my long post, I just wanted to try and say that Australia, like any country, has its good and bad points, but I think for the most part it is a good country to live and most people are nice folks. Sure you will probably encounter some douches, but for every one of them you will probably encounter 9 friendly, nice people. I think you will love living here especially on the beautiful surf coast and it is probably a great place to raise a family. I hope my post has helped, and if you have any other questions about living here please don't hesitate to message me. All the best Marcelo :)

I had the pleasure of living in the stunningly beautiful, cultured and tolerant city of Vancouver for almost five years. I am now (posted here with work) living in the sh1t hole that is Brisbane.

You say 'Canadian Middle and lower class are so poorly paid. ' The most respected measure of national prosperity is the Legatum prosperity index. Canada is the 3rd most prosperous country on earth. This sh1t hole is seventh (7 of the top ten countries are European). So typical moronic Oz sh1t about poor Canadians. I am white European with English as my first language (as is my wife). I, for no reason other than my accent, have been told to go back to where I came from. My wife, a hospital doctor (you morons are desperately short of her speciality) has twice been called a wog by patients (ffs she is white. Now that is real ignorance). In the late 90's we never one experienced any racism in Canada. Quite the opposite; they were very warm, accepting and interested in my background. Here I pay for health care, medicines, school books/computer for my son. All free (very small limited charge for medicines) in Canada. You fvckers have really perfected health care. I pay the government, private health care, still have to pay the doctor and for most tests and still had to wait 4 months to see an ophthalmologist. Your education system (particularly in Queensland) is beyond a joke. Never ever been anywhere like this place. Ignorant, racist, xenophobic, obnoxious people and the levels of aggression from you knuckle draggers is through the roof. I stay away from white Australians at all costs and try to deal only with Asian people (Dr, dentist, mechanic are all Asian). A country that amounts to nothing and never will.

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You cannucks really do have a massive inferiority complex.

Third most prosperous country on earth. You retards are seventh. Only a moronic bogan would accuse a confident, rich, well educated North American country of having an inferiority complex. Why are you morons so obsessed by the English?Because you are culturally and intellectually inferior and you know it (I am not a 'Pom'). An entire country and people who amount to nothing and never will. Irrelevant to all but those who have to suffer this hell hole.

WELL SAID ! I am completely sick to the guts of the amount of racism and blatant xenophobia in this country. I am British and have been here 9 years, and still I cannot believe I am berated for being English. My grandparents were Irish and I have Scandinavian ancestry, but so what? Who gives, why should it matter where the fck you came from, look like, skin colour etc etc etc Most of the 'Aussies' is Melbourne can only trace their Australian roots back a couple of hundred years and after that they end up at a brothel in Buxton, Lancashire somewhere in the 1800's. Who gives? I am an immigrant, you are an immigrant. I so wish I didn't feel so let down and angry with this place but everywhere it's just jealousy, racism, the good old 'tall poppy syndrome', arrogance, closed mindedness. What the fck is everyone's problem in Oz????? Actually really depressed, it's like treading water in this freaking place.

well said

Poor diddums. Have any of you complaining about your lot in life stopped to consider that perhaps it is you that is in the wrong? My wife was not born in Australia. English is not her first language. Most of those I work with (75%) were born overseas, including a swathe of people who immigrated from the UK. They would not trade living here for anything. They enjoy the lifestyle, the climate and the opportunities afforded them living here. I've never heard them "berated for being English".

I'm not suggesting for one minute that Australia does not have more than it's fair share of biggots and racists, but to paint us all with the same brush is very unfair.

Oh and just a heads up, if I call you a Pom or make you feel a little teary because you are British, it's not racism. You are not of the British race.

I can't find a single globally regognised index that ranks Canada's economic performance significantly above Australia. Most indexes (with the exception of nominal GDP) rank Australia above Canada or at almost an identical level. If you would like to compare statistics based purely on your assertations that Canada is the third most prosperous country on earth, I'd have to disagree.

Measuring global per capita median wealth, Australia ranks number 1. If we compare average wealth, it ranks number 2. As prosperity essentially means success in material terms, I'd strongly argue that Australia could be considered a more prosperous country than Canada on a per capita basis.

Oh and who is obsessed by the English? I'm certainly not. Nobody I know is. So what are you basing that little nugget of misinformation on? As for the irrelevant hell hole comment, now you're clutching at straws. It's only pompous twats that would consider Australia a hell hole.

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Hey where are you now?

Honestly... Shut up. Love it, or leave it! Whinge whinge! How could you possibly hate Australia and us Aussies? Laid back, love to drink and we're all attractive.
I will however say, there are some real feral bogans around. Now if we could deport them, Australia would truly be the best country ever!!

Laid back, pfft, obviously you havn't travelled much. "love it or leave it" haha i'll take the second option bitcch. ps learn how to drive you aussie idiot

those are real good qualities you stated there.

i hope you dont reproduce you feral dog ******

Hi nosheep

I am an Australian 56 yro born here. My husband and I are looking forward to holidaying next year in Canada Alaska so searching net came across your comment. I hear what your saying and thank you for saying it because as I read it I thought that is so true. Obviously that isn't every Australian and probably depends on which part of the country your living in, but it is probably fair to say that selfishness is increasing and good old fashion manners and consideration is decreasing which probably is world wide. It was nice though to watch youtube video about Canada and the Canadian people who seem so friendly caring and considerate. Love that they live peaceably not living in fear which means their is trust in their fellow man. Anyway I am sorry that you have to live here because of your circumstances and commitment to your wife and family at least they can have those good character traits past onto them by you and your obvious concern for how people live their lives to be as a guide for their future. All the best to you and your family.

Below from Chamberlane we again see a version ( mild ) of the syndrome discussed here in this link http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Living-In-Australia/3125820

Are you serious?
Even if they were to repsond politely, you're too full of **** to give them credit.
If you don't like it here, just leave. Problem solved.

No country is perfect. All countries have their good and bad points. Australia does have some racist people, but so does every country.

I am always reading on the internet blogs having a go at Australia and Australians, but I am yet to travel to this so called mythical country that is so much better than Australia with no racism, everyone is friendly, a good economy. Bhutan maybe? I don't pretend to have travelled to every country in the world, but through my travels I have learnt that all countries have their good and bad points. Some countries my suit other people more than others, but ultimately 'where you lay your hat is your home' It is up to you to find enjoyment in the place you are living. If you can not, then I put it to you that it is your attitude at is the problem. Unless you are living somewhere war torn like Afghanistan, then most places have something to offer.

Sure Australia does have it problems. The public transport in Sydney is woeful. Treatment of Aboriginals is not the best and there does seem to be a drinking culture. But you overcome these things by looking at the positive. Surround yourself by people who don't go and get drunk every weekend. Enjoy the beautiful outdoors. There are a myriad of national parks and beaches to enjoy the wildlife and scenery.

'but I am yet to travel to this so called mythical country that is so much better than Australia '.
I suggest Norway, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Canada, Switzerland, Austria or how about closer to home for you; New Zeland. A warm friendly and open people.
An entire country where ignorance is a virtue.

Norway - Too cold and expensive
Denmark - Too cold and expensive
Finland - Too cold and expensive
Sweden - Too cold and expensive
Canada - Too cold, stagnant economy, high unemployment and imminent risk of moose invasion
Switzerland - Too cold and expensive
Austria - Perhaps, but very subjective
New Zealand - Jury still out on this. Economy improving, but still to reliant on agriculture.

I like Australia for the most part but I do think we have an issue with the drinking culture (the same culture is in UK, Ireland and US especially in colleges) and I think a lot of our problems stem from this celebration of alcholism. Often it is drunkeness that leads to loudness, brawls, racial slurrs and a plethora of other unpleasant traits and an all out abandonment of manners. If we could stem this drinking culture I think things would be hundreds times better. It is weird to see people who are normal, hard working individuals becoming drunk loons at night and on weekends. It is almost like when people drink they regress back to their cave man beginnings, and unfortunately there is quite a culture of it in Australia. It is why I avoid going to pubs/taverns when I travel anywhere - I really hate drunk culture.

47yrs old first generation Australian from war torn Europe. Loved the place as a kid but hate it with a passion now. So much so I encourage my kids not to make the same mistake I did and let the years pass you by living on a backward island in the middle of an ocean.

i have to choose between moving to Rotterdam or Sydney . your post has been the most influential for some reason . . short, sweet, and experienced . Rotterdam here we go . . .

icegottogetoutofhere, yes, pride! they are proud of everything from being gay to manufacturing dog food bowls ! kidnap the wife and leave ! good luck

Why WOULDN'T we be proud of being gay?

why wouldn't you be proud of being heterosexual ? why would you make a fuss about it one way or the other ? why would any one say that they were proud that the dog food bowl was made in Australia?

You are proud of something you have worked to achieve. Is becoming Gay an achievement?

I can't read this anymore. So much of it rings so true that it makes me desperately sad… I feel I will have to leave my wife of 25 years because i simply can't stand this nation she call home. They simply pride (key word) themselves on being stupid.

your right you deserve better dont stain your ancestory with their dirt blood

You must have been living there during John Howard's reign. He made xenophobia and art form, and even encouraged belief in primitive superstitions like Christianity.

Well, I have not been in Australia or in Canada, but I feel really uncomfortable in my own country so I understand how you feel there.

You really are insane, aren't you???

Well go home to Canada. Aussies love Australia and don't want you dissing **** on us! Go and live in some 3rd world joint where the water makes you sick and the whole country is corrupt and human rights are zero then come back and have a whinge about Australia!! I admit some Aussies get a bit feral sometimes but most of us are friendly and welcoming.. Especially in smaller communities in the countryside. Don't diss Australia.. If you don't love it like Aussies do then leave!! Not that hard!

Where is this irrelevant 3rd world shtt coming from, when this guy is clearly stating to be Canadian?
No way in hell for a rational conversation with Aussies. Stupid like dog turd, we said this many times before on this forum but I just have to say it again.

stupid rat ******. you would want every smart **** to leave wouldnt you, then you can rot in this **** hole like you've always wanted and **** rats

I've been here 40 years now - came here as a ten pound pom with my family. If I could turn back the clock I would have stayed in the UK!! Even after all this time I have still not assimilated and I doubt very much now that I ever will. This country is boring to say the least, unless you are a lover of the sun, beach, wildlife and the great outdoors then there is very little else for you. I am bored out of my brain with Australia and wish so much that I could move back to the UK. I can't though as all my immediate family are here and my three children were born here. I have never met such an arrogant, uneducated race of people. Australians need to travel more to realise how far behind the rest of the world they are in many, many areas. I was in the UK recently for 6 weeks and was greatly impressed with transportation, shopping, dining, friendliness, politeness, history, beautiful scenery...I could go on and on.

I completely and utterly agree with you julesy6. Im in exactly the same boat ,after having spent 16 years here.Hopefully one day I can go back to where I feel I belong.

I'm an American so I'm probably considered an outsider in this forum. Here goes anyway... I looked up this thread to gain insight to my neighbor's recent comment "Australians aren't very motivated people", which I interpreted as "lazy". My neighbor is married to an Australian-American woman who is one of the nicest people I know. My only experience with the country was a 5-day visit in Feb '93 when I was in the Navy (USS Truxtun). We were protested by Green Peace activists in boats while transiting the bay prior to liberty-call in Melbourne. I expected animosity but the people of Melbourne that my shipmates and I met were some of the most decent & generous people I've ever met. I've always wanted to return but it seems that some people hate Australia or maybe just those from other Commonwealth nations (and my neighbor).

@ Spankerr
>"waitressing certificates ! ROFPML ! brilliant ! It is so ludicrous."

What rock have you been living under? Waitressing is a real skill... bear with me here...

I was doing some consulting at one place where an Irish lass was in Australia on a working holiday visa. She applied for one job as an assistant on roadworks. Before they would hire her, they required her to do training... and get this... the training was to hold a sign... you think I'm joking, right? Maybe it was called something like "directing traffic" I dunno... or traffic administration... or traffic safety. But seriously... it was training to hold an effing bluddy sign... you know, STOP, SLOW, GO... or whatever. See? I need training too, it would seem that I trivialize the importance of STOP, SLOW, GO, GO SLOWLY, DON'T GO, DON'T, DON'T SPIT, DON'T DRINK, BE GOOD. Holy effing geezus befooking Kristus. Training to hold an effing sign.

So pause next time you criticise waitressing. Just think of the skill required to hold a sign. Soon they'll require you to be trained in flatulence management before you visit one of their non-existent public toilets. Gawd this kuntry is a looney bin.

An interesting read - both the post and the responses - I lived in Australia for three years recently. I was quite eager to be in my husband's home country then. So was he, after 35 years abroad. We were a bit disappointed when we first arrived. We had many encounters of arrogant, discourteous, laid back and verbally abusive people. (Surprisingly most of them were quite young). My unfortunate Tullamarine airport EP story summarised my thoughts then. But, we did meet many educated, nice and happy people while there too. Many became friends and a few, very good friends. Overall, I enjoyed my stay there. Yes, it is an 'expensive' place to live. I am of the opinion that where ever in the world we go, there will be differences in culture, language and views. We just need to be patient and tolerant. My husband and I plan to retire there next year. By then, I will not be an expat in Australia and perhaps will see her in a different light. Good luck - DF

I'm also a Canadian; I've lived in NSW twice now...first for 6 months in 2008 when I was on a uni exchange, and now again, when I basically moved down here for love (but officially I'm on a working holiday). I'd say I can half agree with you. Perhaps it's because my core group of friends are all people I met in uni (and so are more educated and such), but I can say I've met quite a few very cool people here. Actually, after studying here, I rather liked it, so I was happy to come back...

But after being here for about 4 months looking for work, I'd say my attitude's soured a bit toward it. Drunks? Yes, there are a lot, but I can live with that. I've also met a lot of people from various walks of life, and I've met some very lovely people, especially at my local church and in a handful of places I've worked or volunteered at.

As a culture, though? I'm not so sure anymore. I've been strung along by businesses who say they'll hire you, then have you come in for a couple hours training/trial just to tell you at the end that you're not being paid (which is illegal, technically, but still very common). I've seen people outright lie about the kind of work they want you to do. Even at the more reputable places I've worked, there's a very individualistic attitude and not much of a "team" kind of feel. I've seen a lot of very arrogant, shifty people having harsh, high expectations of you, and coming down on you for doing things differently than what they expect (for example, I was turned down for a job at a coffee shop because I used a spoon to separate foam while pouring a latte. Apparently that's a deal breaker, and I was looked at pityingly when I explained it's common practice in Alberta). It's like they've got this extreme aversion to anything "un-Australian" (which is almost a catchphrase around here). Nobody wants to train anyone; even for simple jobs like waitressing, if you're not some kind of waitressing goddess with 5 years of recent experience (or maybe one of the ridiculous waitressing certificates you can get here) they don't want you. Temp agencies won't even look at people who aren't citizens, even for short-term assignments.

Not to mention that virtually nowhere has public washrooms. I had to use one while grocery shopping, and had to leave the store, walk 5 blocks, and sneak in the back of a movie theatre to use the bathroom.

Like I said, I really enjoyed studying here, and only saw a small amount of the attitudes I've seen lately. It was a great experience. Working here, though, it's opened my eyes a bit more. I love my boyfriend, and the friends I've made are cool people. But, and I hate to say it, I would say that being arrogant and exclusionary are two major traits of Aussie culture as a whole. I'm getting sick of it, and I'm seriously considering going back to Canada...and hoping my boyfriend will join me when he's done school. He thinks it's too cold (he lived there for a year) but I'm starting to think -30 weather in a place with generally nice people and a more humble, educated culture is better than sun and surf with a bunch of arrogant jerks.

waitressing certificates ! ROFPML ! brilliant ! It is so ludicrous. That alone is enough to make you wonder what kind of cultural mentality you are dealing with ! I hope you enjoy Canada again. Don't be afraid to fly firefly.

Haha, I have to admit, I started joking around with a friend about that after getting a few calls from hospitality jobs that were unimpressed with my 2+ years of experience in the exact job they were hiring for... I was like, what next, will I need a uni degree to be a waitress? And then I came across a handful of ads asking for people with a "Hospitality Certificate II or III", and looked it up, and I was like ".... that's a real thing!?" Seriously, I thought paying $100 for an RSA card to serve alcohol was bad enough (since the course is mostly common sense and could be taught in on the job in less than a day) but I can't believe people would pay for a course in bar cleaning, customer service or using an EFTPOS machine *facepalm*

Australians like everything to be regulated, approved, certified, etc. I have gone round and round in circles with people in Australia because they could not bring themselves to do the simplest task without me telling them the "code" that it had to be done to. OMG, they do not like to think for themselves, they like to be told what to do and follow the rules, that way they are never individually responsible for anything :)

<p>I will certainly say as an Aussie yes there are many times I am ashamed to have been born here. I will also state that the Police Force is Sydney N.S.W is so corrupt. Detectives are still allowing drugs to be sold everywhere, they know who the dealers are and could of they wanted to shut down the whole drug trade quite fast if they bothered to do their job. In the mean time more people will die as a result of the corruption. They could also reign in the bikies and other crime gangs if it suited them. Sad they don't care about honesty.</p>

I'm Australian and while I was somewhat offended by the things the OP wrote, I really can see how he is right. I am actually going to work in Canada at the end of the year for a couple of years. I'm tired of this country. More than anything, it's exhaustingly boring here. I don't really know what we're all doing. I'm just not ok with working my life away and sitting in the pub. I want culture! And proper food! I want to be surrounded by buildings older than me for gods sake, and have conversations with people whose ancestral roots aren't convicts!
While I am not looking forward to what I'm sure is less than half the pay I get here, i need to get out of here before I become one of the mindless drones.

You have not lived in Russia or Ukraine =) Australia it's paradise after these countries.

It would have been best if the wall never came down!!!!

Western politics doesn't see the need to make a difference anymore and trying to keep it's people happy in order to keep communism at bay. The living standards of the west are going down more and more to the eastern block levels. but not only that, the western politicians are learning great deal from their eastern counterparts like Putin and and the rest of them, how to create a group of financially well of Avantguard and use the rest as canon fodder and sheep for easy exploitation.

I just read the your whole 'review' and can somehow agree to some, little bits (overpriced food, drinks ect) but most of it I would have to disagree with.

No matter where you go there will be good people and bad people. Reading this, myself being an Australian, I felt like a horrible person. I do apoligise on behalf of the rude people you must've met while comming here with your wife to visit family, but trust me, not all Australians are racist, beer-drinking, smart-mouthed idiots. I have met a few people like that, and, Australians do tend to sometime drink a bit more then they should, but it's the bad people that ruin it for the people who would love to meet you!

Australia has recently become very multi-cultural, although racist comments are still said, it is lessening quickly. More people relise that we must accept everyone, let people come and enjoy this wonderful land! Although, mind the flies. Australia has wonderful bushes field with wildlife, forests, wonderful beaches. We also have hills and rivers. Soooo many birds and wildlife, the plant life is astonishing too!

As for the white only thing im the 70's, I wasn't around at the time, but I don't think that happened in Australia.

Thank you for taking the time to read this, I hope your next stay here will be more enjoyable with your wife and family here.

I'm also here on a visa and I'm Canadian... I do agree with all of the above stated. Because of the simple fact that I can't even find any job because there is none... plus I had my share of some nice Australians telling me that if I don't like it here then... just shut up and go back to where you came from!... :-( it's too bad because I did like the weather except that I don't think I want to live here any more.
While I had a good job in my country... I thought it was going to be better here, but unfortunately I was absolutely wrong.

Here here, i'm here on a 457 visa with my 4 children who are now so behind we are taking them back to scotland and as for being a friendly nation, i dont think so.I agree with everything in your post

I was in Scotland a couple of years ago. I found the Scottish people to be much more friendly, more genuine, more generous and more humorous than the Aussies. And more fun !

Thanks to taker, for his take on the situation. His comments could do with some clarification:

"Its real simple if you don't like the way we are then **** off, simple..."

If you don't like the comments, then don't visit this page of the Experience Project, simple.
As to the question of who should leave... the aboriginals were here first. And the only thanks that they ever received, beyond Kevin Rudd's "apology", was racism and massacre:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians

"... we don't care what you think..."

Aussies are obsessed with what everyone thinks of them. They think that everything is always all about them. Australian culture is groupthink on steroids. Everything from mateship to racism revolves around structuring your life on the opinions of others. Some people incorrectly describe Australia as a classless society. It is not. It is a single-class society and it is every Australian's first priority to conform to the standards set by The Mob that defines this single class. For Aussies, what even anonymous strangers think of them matters a great deal.

"... and the next time you all want to start wars around the world ..."

The Iraq war is unlikely to have ever started without John Howard. Refer to Greg Sheridan's book, "The Partnerships: The Inside Story of the US-Australian Alliance Under Howard and Bush."

"... we are a proud nation who's acheived far more and far quicker then any other nation ..."

The Australian economy relies on commodities, like iron ore. Once China stops buying our iron ore, that will be the end of the "mining boom". In the absence of further commodities coming on the scene, Australia is destined to become the white trash of Asia. Value-adding is contrary to everything that Australia stands for (i.e., dumbing everything down to the same level), because value-adding requires competency, efficiency and competitiveness. Australians, by contrast, think that value-adding is charging twice as much for an item as what it is worth, and they do this often.

CLARIFICATION RE AUSTRALIANS AND DOUBLE MEANINGS

When taker opines "we don't care what you think," he really means "we obsess endlessly about what you think." Consider the following, for example, and note the reference to tone of voice (or in our case, context):
http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100315004551AAkgPi0

When an Australian calls someone intelligent, for example, that can be taken as either an insult or a compliment. If the subject is a bogan, then calling them intelligent is a compliment. But if someone is a world-famous scientist, calling them intelligent is to be interpreted as an insult... it's a way of classifying tall poppies.

How is one to interpret Australians' double-meanings? That's easy. If someone is "different", like a tall-poppy or a seppo, any and every compliment directed at them is to be interpreted as an insult.

Brilliant. and this bit really struck a cord with me ............. Australian culture is groupthink on steroids. Everything from mateship to racism revolves around structuring your life on the opinions of others.

And what references do you cite to back up your claim? What manner of logical inference are you making? Or are you just spouting off unsubstantiated opinion, as is the custom in oz? I know, I know... "tall poppy" "up yourself" "pretentious" LOL. You prove everyone's point here in every word under your name. It's called projection... big word?... look it up in a dictionary, presuming that you can read.

Its real simple if you don't like the way we are then **** off, simple we don't care what you think, and the next time you all want to start wars around the world, fight it yourself instead of crying to us for help....but thats right you all are going to say that this country dosen't give much help, we only have a small army blah blah blah. don't come here calling us racists just because we don't pander to your demands. we are a proud nation who's acheived far more and far quicker then any other nation, so **** off you make me sick.

achieved what? only thing you've achieved is rat ******* your dog ***** of a **** mother u inbred ****

really? LOL!

And this is comeing from someone from Canada? get off your high horse! when your country gets out of the wilderness and matches the level of Australia then you can speak about how we live. we have high prices because we have high wages, i bet the dole is the same level as your countries middle class. and I wonder why no one listen to you when you prattle on and whinge.

Yes, well he does have one or two spelling errors. However, they pale into insignificance when one attempts to read something written by an irate "easy going laid back " Aussie !

Overall, this story by nosheep is a highly commendable article in terms of it's insights and it's value to people who may be on the verge of being tempted to travel to this country.

I'm Australian and would love to vacate this banana republic. I can't really argue with any criticism of the Australian peoples manner, although I have traveled quite a bit and have found my fair share of clowns around the globe.

This country has had it's issues with racism, but now it's even worse as we've become Americanized. So not only is this country saturated with such ignorant racists, it's now incredibly stupid, self-centered and egotistical.

That being said, I would love to move else where, like Canada, but I'm nearly 32yr old. What's the chances of getting in now?

I'm Canadian and I can tell you that we have a lot of opportunities there... And it's never to late to do something you really want to.
Do some research as to what you can do about it to be able to travel... I just know for myself, I had to get a visa but I'm sure that you don't need a visa. However this might sound funny but the other thing you can do is... get married and you'll be there without a problem.

I am with this, and all the comments 100%
I am beyond ashamed and humiliated to be a citizen of such a pitiful nation.
I'm applying for a visa which I fully meet the criteria to, and I cannot wait to leave.
That's the most of a statement this pathetic country deserves from me.
Goodbye "******". Farewell forever.
(*I HATE that word)

Good for you for telling it like it is! I am born and bred 5th generation Australian and I couldn't agree more. I have encouraged my children to all seek broader horizons instead of living in this backward cultural wasteland and they all have done just that. There's much more to a country than free medical and good weather. Give me some culture and world awareness of real issues instead of the ridiculous so called Australian 'culture' which is really the lowest denominator of cultures on earth. Now I just need to find a way to move to either Canada, the US or Europe, where all my children are now residing, and get out of this over rated bogan hellhole!

i'm frm asia. i've been here for last 4yrs and i don't have a single aussie frend...i've been through everything that you ppl have posted here.. i'm here on a student visa..i;ve travelled on trains n buses for the last 4 yrs and i've been racially attacked many times..i've witnessed racial attack by aussies in public transport mostly to Asians... and the scariest part is when one aussie racially attacks u in a public transport infront of many ppl instead of coming to rescue all other aussies seems to smile and appreciate the racism... aussie ppl r programmed to say stuffs like THANK YOU, YOU'RE A LEGEND, PLEASE, HOW R YA, GOOD DYE, DARLING, CHEERS MITE, 'O'SOME, ETC which they don't really say it frm the heart... aussie spoken english is the worst english i've ever come across in my life... even with my 3rd world education, i can speak clearly and correctly than most of the australians... the only very few nice aussies as i believe r those who r born n raised in NSW/sydney... and most of the aussies have the AUSSIE LAD attitude (plz go to urban dictionary to find out about AUSSIE LAD)... i prefer to call aussie THE AMERICAN WANNABES.....u can see ppl from10-40 yrs put on snap backs n jersys of some american sports teams but still talk **** about americans... i've noticed that even the worst flop american celebrity can come to australia n enjoy that v.i.p celebrity treat... i found out that aussies can never RAP/Freestyle becoz of their GOAT ACCENT.... after living here for 4 yrs and not having 1 aussie frnd but i can see aussies living here their whole life n still don't have any other frends than their fellow aussies... every aussie is a workoholic n they have the attitude like Australia is the best, australians r the ****... nd even in forums like this one there is not 1 aussie that'll come out and accept the truth.... there's something terribly wrong with the aussie society... frm 10 yrs old to 40 years old they all have the same attitude n never change.... che-eze mye-et