Ignorant, Uneducated, Lazy Morons

My background: lived in several different areas of the country (mostly east coast and now SEQLD) over the past 30 years. I have served in Defence and have a particular business operation in SEQLD. I am also studying finance, economics and law currently in my spare time.

I have over the past few years out of interest studied and utilised the boundaries of legal protection for individuals that the State (meaning local, state and federal govt bodies and agencies) provides, for both several situations that I have been involved in in a number of areas and also the experiences of some close friends.

What I have noticed is this:

- There is no effective legal protection for many of your individual rights provided by the State, unless you utilise novel measures to make noise - email the world, make things go viral, youtube; or unless you engage an expensive solicitor.

- Your personal security is not guaranteed by the State. I have seen several instances of Assault and other crimes against a persons security be treated with a slap on the wrist. Both personally and from the experiences of those I know across the country. Without going into specifics that could affect me right now legally or otherwise - it has occurred in enough frequency that there is a noticeable problem there. Just look at videos of crimes that occur in public places even in Australia - they go unpunished - and these are just examples of a wider trend that I and many others have personally experienced.

- Road rage, traffic accidents resulting from bad behaviour and illegal driving is endemic. I shouldn't have to provide examples of this just check out the youtube vids. I also experience this every single day I drive in SEQLD. Everywhere. Whether its city or regional.

- You would think Defence is a good cross section of the community right? Recruitment comes from all over the country. Well imagine the worst and most ignorant bullies in the world, magnify that by 100, and give them an overpaid job. And thats Defence in this millennium. Oh and mining is not far behind. So workplace bullying and harrasment is par for the course here.

So that pretty much covers most areas that any individual would be concerned about I would think. So what are the advantages? The only advantage that I can see, as a highly CBD working friend of mine has said: "Nowehere else int he world could I do just a little bit extra work and get so much reward and money." Hes a smart guy, but you know, in fairness not a world class genius. SO what does that say about the his "competition"?

Apart from that, I hate this damn place, I'm only here temporarily for financial reasons and as soon as I have the economic inertia I'm doing a John Galt and getting the hell out of this decaying country.

Peace. And um, look after your security hey?

ATL

I think many people commenting here do not realise that there are two types of people in Australia - there are Australians and then there are Aussies, or bogans if you like.

From reading the comments I get the impression that most of you live and work amongst bogans. Bogans are of course terrible people but are not unique to Australia. In the United States they are called Rednecks in the south and Guidos in the north-east. In England they are called Chavs and in Scotland Neds. What they all have in common is anti-intellectualism, a violent nature, crudeness, a lack of education / ignorance, and jingoistic patriotism.

There are educated, good Australians as well - choose your companions wisely.

Australia needs to be in the thick of a war on its home turf, or some kind of invasion. The anglo natives are too soft, blinkered, willfully ignorant and have absolutely no comprehension of the privilege of making educated and informed decisions. Kill 'em all.

As an Australian, one of the things I liked about the US was the way the police were. You do get the odd Aussie police officer who is pretty cool, but a lot of them act like it's a state under martial law. In the US, the police talk to you like you're not a criminal, just someone who might not know the law that well. US police have a very different, much more relatable ethic to the cops from other countries, which is ironic because there's more violent crime there. One would have thought that it would be the opposite. There's an expectation of good treatment by US police among the general population, which unfortunately backfires on them when things like the Rodney King beatings happen - beatings that are par for the course in Australia, the UK and many European nations, where cops are virtually expected to do that kind of thing. The King case would have barely raised an eyebrow outside of the US actually. Says a lot for the good reputation US police have. They really serve the community. Here, they just rack up speeding fines for going 10km over the limit, which everyone does anyway, and try to get you for next to nothing.

You're so over-educated that you have no idea that apostrophe has no place in plurals like the word "Australians". If you use it for some words, then why not for others like "banana's", "helmet's", "train's". You have so much hatred in you that you're losing basic concepts. Get a life!

I have been living in Australia for 4 years now and the best people I've met are immigrants. With a couple of exceptions I'm not interested in befriending these foul mouthed, lazy, disrespectful, criminals. I am a police officer here and I can tell you that the vast majority of Australians are scumbags, living like pigs, don't shower or brush their teeth. Bogans!
Stupid, ignorant, selfish, dirty Bogans!
No matter what anybody says Australians are the worst racists on earth. Just ask any immigrant how impossible it is to befriend Australians. They are happy hire us, live next door to us, work with us, go to church with us but try to make a true friendship with an Australian. You can't and thats why I've given up. I'm making friends here but they are South Africans, poms, kiwis,Zimbabwian, an American or 2.
They respect nothing. There heritage tells us everything we need to know about them. Just go to any sporting event and you see who they truely are. Disgusting human beings, pigs. I will get the passport but I will never call myself Australian. I've stopped inviting people here because I'm embarrassed by the general population and how the behave.
My wife and I have decided we are leaving, moving to Canada where the scumbags are in the minority and life is affordable. We pay too much for everything here.
I part with this question. What does it mean to be a true blue Aussie? There's nothing I've seen that warrants pride or inspires patriotism. More like a pathetic, disgusting anus of a people who think the rest of us owe them something. Immigrants keep this country running.

Im moving back to Brazil when i finish school, i dont even know why my parents chose to leave

I fully agree, Australians are all lazy, I even got hassled by a Vic Cop when I was waiting for train back to Syd cple yrs ago at Sth X, I hate that they use Mate all the time and that ryhming slang really gets up my nose, those that do work only complain about what their employer should give them, bring in Workchoices, I hate working how the Union says I should, even to get a cople of days off unpaid is not possible, Im possibly moving to US in 2014, counting down the days, I have also seen people do illegal things right in front NSW cops, all they do is turn their heads, yet I got done for jaywalking and there wasnt a car in sight, btw I work in a dangerous workplace, so I know about safety, please dont ask where, also I think Privatisation of all Public Operations would be beneficial to all

Well done: I thought I was the only Aussie born person that felt like this. Australia was a great country R.I.P Australia.If your moving overseas can I come to??

Take a look at the OECD education statistics... And do leave please.

Hi there - you mention statistics in the 3rd para in your post. I'm hoping you can tell me where you discovered these findings? Many thanks, Amelia

What you're describing here really remindes me of Israel, which explain's why so many israeli citisens move to Australia-It's just like home, only you don't have to go to the army...

I lived for 9 years in Australia, 18 months near Sydney and the rest in Brisbane.



I also found them rude and arrogant, very insular and ignorant.

Most Australians seem to think they have a " right to be rude" and they are simply under the illusion that they are the best people in the world.

I'm English and the most disapointing experience for me was just how quick many English (not all) within a generation become loud mouth ignorant aussies.



I feel the media in Australia has a lot to blame for this, they are almost propaganda style and one-eyed in favour of all things Aussie- not a good quality.



I'm happy I returned to England, however it's difficult to get accross to Brits who have never lived in Oz that Australia is far from being a perfect place to live.



Englands not perfect but at least I'm far away from that stinking over-rated dustbowl they call Australia.

Shakespeare eh? "First thing we do, let's kill all the bogans!". Oh wait a minute, the bloody place would be almost empty. Okay then why not come back and change things? Instead of ******* off and leaving the rest of us with an IQ above a warmed over rice pudding to the tender ministrations of the bloody idiots in the western suburbs of Sydney who vote for WorkChoices, Howard's battlers (battlers my arse, more like effed up haters of anyfink not from the sacred land of Oz), why not return, don't hole up in Balmain or Fitzroy or wherever is thooper trendy at any given time, live in a normal suburb (sorry if that makes the inner city wankers shiver, tuff luck) and start working to educate the bogues from their false consciousness?



Or is that too hard?



Nah, **** it, I agree, the place is a bogan shithole, I think I'll go somewhere else too.

Ah yes. I started out my career teaching Shakespeare and Dickens; now I teach movie posters and they still cannot understand a thing. It is perfectly acceptable to mock and assault teachers in Australia-are we talking anti-intellectual or what? Deep thought is scary!

I am an Australian, well a Melbournian, and whilst I do agree with a lot of the comments posted above, please do not despair, not ALL Australians are lazy, racist, ignorant or uneducated, though unfortunately there seems to be an overwhelming majority that are. Kzin, you were exaggerating mildly when it came to the cost of living. Yes, our cost of living is high, but our wages are generally very high as well. Our modest three bedroom, one bathroom plus family room house in a lower socio-economic suburb would attract around $270 - 280k in today's market - not all of us are looking for bigger, better, more expensive. The beauty of living where I live is that money is tight and people are struggling with day to day expenses, so we have each other to lean on. What I love about my country and what doesn't get put on this forum is that when a person is down and out, their friends will come to their aid and give them a helping hand. When there is a disaster or a tragedy, Australians will pitch in. I can leave my door unlocked during the day so my neighbour can walk in and have a cup of coffee with me. My daughter can walk safely to and from school, come home and ride her scooter in the street with the other kids. I can walk to the shops safely. I can walk around Melbourne safely, I just tend to keep away from the nightclub district. There are alcoholic **** heads in every country or town. I work in a tourist driven place where great customer service is paramount and I love nothing better than to have a chat with people from other nationalities. I am definitely not racist, I love seeing kids from different backgrounds with their little Aussie accents playing amongst Anglo kids. I don't like the mantra: "if you don't like it, leave", that's not Australian, that's bogan - there is a massive difference! Please scratch the surface, we aren't all that bad and I feel really sad that people have such a negative opinion towards a country where deep down we are still looking out for each other, something a hell of a lot of other countries do not sadly.

As a 50yo Australian born (white) male and I hate to do it but to a large degree I have to agree. I am spend a lot of time with people of all ages and particularly those of the Silent Generation and it is they I like to probe about this very subject as I cannot believe we are the same people we were a couple of decades ago however I thought due to getting a bit older or my views on life changing that it might be just my opinion changing but sadly trying to find anyone over 40 and especially the 65+yo group who think people are better today putting aside all generational differences is an increasingly hard thing to do even among those whose personal finances improved greatly as a result of the boom etc. I could go on and on with this one as sadly the fact that we are declining as a quality people regardless of individual wealth is becoming more and more apparent to ordinary everyday Australians like it or not. There is a decline in personal qualities such as trust, loyalty, mate-ship and seemingly individual happiness which could actually be measured I would imagine by the increase in that mental illness alone. As far as what has caused the problem then looking at root causes such as creating a more dog-eat-dog environment and the flow and its effects on society would be a good place to start. A denial that we have changed and not for the better in many ways in relatively recent times is in itself evidence of that ignorance.

I agree with everything you have mentioned, if you are thinking about NSW and SA. Also I'm not sure if I believe your statistics for school children, where did you get this information from? Even my 3 year cousin knows we live in a 'demogrosy' (in her words) and even has her favourite politician, Campbell Newman (I know interesting choice). Of course Emily most likely doesn't even know what Campbell Newman stands for, or what he has done, she has just seen him on the news and decided he is her favourite. I highly doubt that secondary school students don't know that Australia is a democracy, and not knowing what a noun is at uni, your information cannot be correct, I'm sorry.You haven't been watching too much 60 minutes and Today Tonight or A Current Affair. You want to see some dodgy reporting of statistics, go to ACA.

Now, now, calm down. Can't we all just get along? We Australians are not racist. We are differentist. We hate anyone that’s different to us, and we hate them equally. Irrespective of their race. If they speak with a funny accent, if they look like they’re “up themselves”, if they’re too tall or too short, too friendly or not friendly enough, too happy or too clever, no matter in what way they’re different, we’ll get ‘em. We’ll wear ‘em down. We’ll pummel ‘em with the tall poppy syndrome so completely, they’ll be outta here quicker than they can say, “gidday mite” [seppo] or “good day mate” [pom] or “gordonya mayt” [generic swarthy type with funny accent].

Australia doesn’t only make me sick! NO

I am pissed right of to the bone about, mainly arrogant anglo’s and their believe in being the superior race on this planet.

Let’s see how I view Aussie DNA!



- If I don’t speak ‘oschtralian’ English as good as you are, well then lets say; I am not compatible as a socializing buddy. You don’t send me away when your other mates turn up, but you are going to make little arrogant jokes about me, not bad enough to make me upset but to keep me in line and let me know, where my place is in your circle.

- When I tell you that I don’t want to assimilate in to your circle because your arrogance pissed me of, over and over again and I don’t think that you have anything to offer as a friend, then you tell me to EFF of and go home, where I came from.

- Aussie spaghetti,- Aussie calamari,- Aussie battler,- Aussie mums and dads,- Aussie cars,- Aussie legends,- Aussie heroes,- Aussie this and Aussie that, geezes mother Christ I never heard anyone else massaging each others patriotic, mother country loving, Hippocratic ego in my entire life.

I completely agree with the sentiments expressed here. Well done. Australia is truly the land of bigotry, mindless patriotism, selfishness and anti-intellectualism. For the poster above or anybody else for that matter who claims Australia is tolerant you surely must be joking or utterly stupid. Even in Melbourne, the supposedly multicultural and European city (anybody who has been to Europe realises this is a preposterous and fictitious claim) if you do not have white skin, speak English with an Australian accent, or enjoy watching the footy and sinking tinnies, you will feel out of place and unwelcome. If you have any appreciation of the arts, literature, foreign cultures or languages you will be derided and ridiculed in Australia. In Europe, most people have knowledge of at least two if not more languages; in Australia speaking another languages makes you a 'dirty immigrant' or a weirdo. Any pursuit that is not related to making money is looked down upon and perceived as pointless. Any comment made or attitude held that suggests Australia is not perfect or the best place to live is jumped upon venomously by the proud and thoughtless patriots that constitute the majority of the population. I have lived in three different countries and I will say with conviction that anybody who mindlessly blurts that Australia is the best country on earth simply has not spent enough or any time in others. Australia is a soulless country with no sense of community (it died a good 30 years ago). One positive aspect of Australia is that statically speaking poverty is nearly non existent - ie it is a highly 'developed' country. What a shame about the stark intellectual, moral, and spiritual poverty that is so frequently displayed. I for one '****** off' from Australia 3 years ago and don't regret it in the slightest, and it is so refreshing to realise and know that life isn't and doesn't have to be like it is there. I will joyfully renounce my citizenship when the time is right.

I'll respond to your comment, Jediaub, with the same response I posted on a previous thread:



"It's telling that your typical Aussie always reacts to any criticism with "F***K OFF!!" and obviously considers this to be a well thought out, clever, articulate response. Add to that the usual high level of grammar, punctuation and spelling and it pretty much sums up the standard level of education and intelligence in this "proud nation of Australia". "

By the way, Jediaub - do you travel internationally much? I'm not talking about the usual "5 nights in Bali with me mates" at age 23 that most Australian's seem to think qualifies them as sophisticated international travellers. I mean travelled and lived sufficiently throughout the developed world to have embedded yourself in a dozen or more different economies and societies to actually be able to form an intelligent, comparative view?

Seriously - ***** about Aussies as much as you want. But whether you like it or not Australia is one the most developed, safest and tolerant countries in the world. I challange you to find many/any better.

The good thing is we are not backward enough to make people who hate the place stay here. So it's simple really - if you hate what we are so much - pack your **** and get the **** out!

You won't be missed.

i don't agree with all your comments, but i do appaude you for saying how you feel. I am born and bred in australia, and I am very ashamed of this country, especially W>A> where the mining boom is. It has created a culture of haves and have nots..it is very sad, that I work full time as a carer for the intellectually disabled, pay my taxes etc, when i can hardly afford to pay my ridiculous rent for a sub standard home. And i see young 25 year old men driving around in flash cars with their boats and toys! my mother who is a pensioner cannot put on her heaters in winter because the cost is too much. Australians are ridiculously nationalistic, xenophobic and relentlessly materialistic. It is a very selfish country, where the majority don't care, as long as they are ok. I resent the fact that I work sooo hard, for so little. thank you.

So true; criminal injures a cop, gets off with as little as a stern warning (the response to most crimes), cop injures a criminal, he loses his job and is ridiculed beyond belief. As soon as I possibly can, I intend on moving to the US where I can feel safe in daily activities.

The truth about police here is there is ZERO support for them from the political bigwigs if they use force against anti social elements and one of the scum get injured and make a complain.

Unlike the states, where cops routinely baton, taser, shoot criminals(correctly) over here politically correct tree huggers will nail the cops for excessive force to appease the public.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've said here, and it's so nice to hear it from someone who was born here and still feels this way, because as I'm sure you well know, Australians have their beloved patriotism that they have been force fed from an early age despite a lack of anything to be proud of. My boyfriend was recently assaulted on a main shopping street, in full day light (2pm), on a crowded day, and despite blood pouring down his face, no one even batted an eyelid. Now, I know the world is going downhill morally but really... I believe it's due to the attitude of people here; because they've all assaulted someone when they were younger, it's just a phase, they're just kids, let them have their fun. Funnily enough, this is also their attitude towards drunken misbehavior, verbal abuse, driving "accidents" and pretty much everything else that makes their country so backwards. I will never consider myself an Australian.