Australia The Stupid Country

I am an emigrant. I am disgusted by this country of bogan sheep minded people...and I am using that word loosely. Tradespeople are not to a price and down to a standard seems to be the ethos. The intelligentsia .... well there isn't any more since Whitlam walked. My fathers generation held optimism of post war modernism with  energy,well he was shafted.

I be-moan the fact that second-rate is good scandinavian ancestors would have a fit!!  

I would be absolutely happy to repatriate. This country was and still is a false promise,  both culturally and economically. Many of us are stuck with the total failure of Multi-Culturalism in this country. Unfortunately I happen to be one of them.  Australia's health, education, housing, manufacturing and cultural systems emulate European, Asian and US failures...Our saving grace is only a small population of people who can actually think for themselves. The rest are a semi-literate, culturally ignorant, cognitively backward population that is easily manipulated and fooled at the voting poll.

This country that continuously goes on about being the "clever country" where the vast majority of kids coming out of schools these days can't even read a  price tag or add up past ten,  teachers that taught them nothing about  world affairs.  No One can argue this fact, this month  JANUARY 2012, Australia was listed 25th on the list of the 32 OECD countries, tested for educational skills.

Take the ascendancy of Julia Gillard for example,  the poms got into the act, but only because she was born in Wales.On the one hand we have Julia d back peddling as fast as she can to appease the racist elements in our country and on the other we have 

that vile little ****** Tony Abbott playing the race card for all its worth.

The ***** is ending every speech and every media interview with comments like.."and we will stop the boats.

The fact is, that the overwhelming majority of foreigners who overstay their visas are tourists who arrived on planes.

Those poor sods who arrive in leaky wooden boats are the ones being targetted by the media and racists of every calibre. 

Another example of why this shithole of a country is totally screwed.

Last year our federal government decided to bolster the economy to avoid a recession by several ways.

One was to offer subsidies for installation of home insulation.

As a result there were botched installations and several cases where installers died either by electrocuting themselves by stapling insulation to electrical wiring or installing insulation wrongly so it caught fire due to heat from downlights etc. The other great idea  of our government was to have a huge spending spree building all sorts of additions to Australian Schools....mmmm a sensible person could see what was coming next......

Sure enough, the rippoff merchants decided to rip the **** out of the Aussie taxpayer by charging  unbelievable prices for rooms as big as a broom cupboard.  Only the stupid Aussie voter would fall for this. Then in 2011 we had the GREAT CARBON TAX. Now I am an environmentalist but boy were the aussies fooled on this one. 

Australia was branded the dumb blonde of the world by the UK Telegraph, and they were not far wrong.

Australia is seen as attractive but one-dimensional as a result of its failure to promote its culture, education and industry overseas. What Australia has is an image of a country that is considered to be very decorative, but not 

very useful, except of course to be a puppet to the USA! Aussies love to bet, the Melbourne Cup the favourite event.  This time all those patriotic gambling Australians who favour this allegiance with the USA  sure have picked  the horse with the broken leg.

Revolutions of the people against government are gaining strength around the world. I don't believe it will ever happen in Australia but I wished it would. People here are just to stupid, and if they are not stupid they are welfare reliant, and therefore devoted supporters of the Labour Party. The Liberal Party is no better.  Get real people! How short a memory you have, particularly of the Howard years in which Abbot participated as a Cabinet member. So who to vote for, perhaps the Man on the Moon! or some other fictitious character.

The last 12 months have been a shameful chapter in the governance of this country’s affairs. It has been a period punctuated by lies, stuff-ups and contempt for the Australian people.

The litany of policy failures since the Ten Pound Pom seized power, most profoundly abuses against the trust of Australian voters  mark this occasion, and will be forever etched in the psyche of the Australian people.

It is regional Australia that will suffer the most.

The ‘new paradigm’ touted by the Independents that handed government to Labor has failed abysmally. Even Independent MP Bob Katter  publicly declared that the Independents have failed to deliver anything for regional Australians.

But the Gillard government’s record speaks for itself.

The mining tax hangs like a sword over the heads of entire regional communities. The uncertainty and the confusion caused by the government’s chopping and changing has already deterred investment and circumvented sound business decision making.

Jobs in regional areas will go. Our international competitiveness will be and is already being diminished

It is a kick in the teeth for regional Australia that the $800 million for regional projects promised under the 2011-12 federal budget  has yet to come through.

Over half of the $800 million provided in Labor’s Regional Fund ($450 million precisely) has been allocated to the roads around Perth Airport – hardly what I would call regional Australia.

Even worse, the Minister for Regional Australia Simon Crean has declared that even more of the money will be spent in the cities.

The  carbon tax will hit regional Australia hardest. Recent research by the Australian Farm Institute exposes that an average grain farm in Western Australia will be up to $37,000-a-year worse off under a carbon price .

Farmers drive $155 billion a year in production and $32 billion in annual exports and support 1.6 million jobs. That is a lot to sacrifice on the altar of a carbon tax.

It confirms what farmers and their communities instinctively know: that even the indirect costs will make many farms unviable. Regional people will carry a bigger burden under the carbon tax simply because they have to travel further and their costs will, therefore, be  much greater.

And did'nt the Prime Minister say ‘There’ll be no carbon tax under a government I lead.’

Those words will live in infamy and will haunt this government to its electoral grave.

Labor’s NBN is another fiasco and setback for regional Australians, with $50 billion being spent with no benefits what so ever to anyone!  

The Australian public did not, as Gillard attempts to claim, vote for a minority government and they most emphatically did not vote for the carbon tax, which she and her minority government partners, the Greens and independents, are now determined to inflict on the economy from July 1, 2012.

So, the public might ask what does it matter if Gillard or Rudd is at the helm if command of the ship is in the hands of  a pack of fools! 

Today I woke up to the headlines=

Welcome, asylum seekers - Chris Bowen and Julia Gillard's ship of fortune:

To fulfil a promise to move an influx of families out of detention, the Gillard Government is now fitting out each home with up to $10,000 worth of furnishings and electronics this includes a television at a minimum size of 53cm.  They are given food hampers upon arrival at rented homes (also free) where they wait for their claims to be processed.  The revelation comes at a time when middle- and high-income families are struggling with cost of living pressures and bracing for cuts to private health rebates and the impact of the carbon tax. Special consideration is given to providing computers, internet access, mobile phones, bikes, skateboards, rollerblades, iPods, games consoles and sewing machines. The assistance is on top of free doctors' visits, dental care, pharmaceuticals, education and payments of up to $433.25 a fortnight to sustain 1 asylum seeker. Now multiply that by a family of 5,that is a pretty sum of $ 2166.25 per fortnight. We have paid taxes all out lives and get nothing, only the knowledge that we have supported masses of lowlife who never wanted to work, they  live in free housing, they get free medical and we face a future of huge price increases.  All because we have had idiots running this country!!

Everyone should realize that we have been hoodwinked, manipulated and ripped off for years now. Believe 10% of what you hear, 50% of what you read and 100% of what you see. What I see is not good. I would not believe a single word uttered by any politician, regardless of which party they represent. We follow the USA on most other issues and trends and our turn is coming quickly. Statistics can be massaged and the result is only as accurate as the datas integrity. My prediction is that 2012 will be  tougher than 2011 and will get worse. Just like the economy of the USA so ours will be sooner than you think.  Finance and Banking industry laying off in 2012 to maintain profits and a 'positive' outlook, more lay offs announced in the industry this year. The government obviously hiding these figures. GREAT FINANCIAL CRISIS will hit the shores of OZ SOON. Politicians are trying to pump the housing profit bubble for all it's worth before the executives and ceo's do exactly what happened in America and walk away with your money. After this bursts. We're going to have a complete break down. The government wont be able to support the amount of welfare recipients and  immigrants that live in this lucky country.   Society will break down and we will reap the result of what Australia has become.  Australia the Stupid Country!! You could move to  one of the most expensive countries in Europe and it's still much  cheaper than the lucky country. Wake up Australia. Oh you did?  Then  get angry and demand change. After all, you have a choice. Or perhaps you don't care, perhaps your beer, your pub, club, the beach, the bingo and the footy are more important. I think this is the case with most Australians. Fortunately I will not be here when the crunch really hits you, but I would love to be a fly on the wall when it all comes tumbling down! I am heading back to Scandinavia!!!!!
criticalthinking criticalthinking 56-60, F 97 Responses Feb 26, 2012

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Wow... I don't even know where to begin. Have you realized that all of your views on the politics of Australia are just regurgitated ideas of Australian mainstream media, regulated by the government? You have a vague, amateur grasp on the dealings of the Australian economy and the political situations we are in at best and they are clearly all formed from the simple and often incorrect media interpretation which is designed for Australian bogans so they feel intelligent. Do you see the irony? You are exactly the same as the minority of unintelligent Australians, and you share the same views from the same sources as they do! Congratulations, you are a pathetic human being attempting to feel important by going on a racist rant online and essentially bagging yourself out and proving you are unintelligent and as you put it so eloquently, much how a bogan would say "stupid." I hope you feel proud. Hopefully Scandinavia has implemented a policy in which people moving into or returning to the nation must not have a low IQ or people who carry uneducated "bogan" racist views and prejudices that people had 500 years ago. Since Scandinavia is so much more modern and intelligent than Australia. Too bad for you though, I guess you'd fail both those tests. Don't worry though, you'll be right at home here with us 'dumb bogans' you fit right in. You play the part better than we do!
P.S I'm a 14 year old female and i think the Australian public schooling system has educated me quite well, thank you

We'll **** off back where you come from then!!!

You're all idiots.. and to the author of this post, you have done nothing more than to show you are worse than any of the "Dumb Australians" you mention in your childish rant. The fact that you took, what I assume to be hours, mostly spent hunched over a thesaurus (spelling and grammar certainly aren't an issue to you) writing this piece, you have displayed just how pathetic and childish your mindset truly is.

Have you noticed that this forum is all about your Aussie-typical attitude?

they completely fail to comprehend. this is the core of why there is no hope of improvement and why everything this forum is about will remain as it is.

the ozzie is incapable of listening to criticism or any comment which does not laud the falsehoods about the country and the true blue ozzie. the response is always the same

Excuse me? I'm having a hard time telling if you're a troll or a fool, or both. I don't know where you are from and frankly I don't care. Your attitude is worse then most Australians I know, and you pretend to be high and mighty yet come off as a small insecure pretentious child. Not to mention racist, and to Spanker.. you idiots contradicted yourselves the moment you supported this idiotic racist bashing.

Other contributors to this forum have pointed out that the key to understanding Australian conversations and interactions, is that Australians generally take everything personally. I agree with this. Any comment or observation which does not reiterate the standardized praise for anything and everything Aussie, is immediately taken as a personal affront which must be demolished at all costs.

The response frequently comes in some, or all, of the following predictable stages; Firstly , you are contradicted, secondly an attempt is made to insult you, thirdly assumptions are made about you and then these assumptions are stated as fact and used as the basis to attempt to invalidate your observation or opinion. Some of the responses to my posts confirm much of what I have just stated above.

I think I would have an easier time arguing with a brick wall, at least it wont come back with ignorant replies

And yet, your responses are of a person with the intellect, as thick as bricks.
Your comments are exactly the one of a "small insecure pretentious child" in utterly unreasonable rage, having a fit while shopping and not getting his lollypop.

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I find it interesting that people say our media is stupid and controlled. They are also saying we rely on media hype and take it as gospel and that we rank low in education. Then to make a valid point those said persons use media ie the television and google to justify their point. Wow that made alot of sense? I love the point many have made that WE, "the incredibly stupid country", lured you, very intelligent persons here on false promises. If we are so unintelligent how did we have the intelligence to design such adverts to fool you? Maybe do your research before you come here. Or as you are so fond of quoting: "Google it".
Iam totally disenheartened. We are called racists and biggots and yet here we are, the ones being villified for being a part of our race. :(
I was going to travel and broaden my horizons. I wont be going to the united states, canada, scandinavia e.t.c. From whats been posted it seems because Im australian I must be an uneducated bogan. Wow racism at it's best!

WE, "the incredibly stupid country", lured you, very intelligent persons here on false promises. If we are so unintelligent how did we have the intelligence to design such adverts to fool you?
The only education attractive to the average Aussie and what they take serious is how to do everyone else over most effectively. That is as true as the daily sunrise coming from the east of the planet, but if it suits their argumentation for the purpose of doing you over, they will not hesitate and try to make you believe different. Be honest to yourself, this once in your life and stop pretending that it isn't happening.

If you had read any of my earlier posts you would have realised I agreed with this articles accurate account of australian's current political state. I am an educated mixed raced (including indigenous) person trying to make a difference im my country. All I am saying is i am intelligent enough not to villify and entire race due to an obviously stressful experience in a different country. I do not go out of my way to use my education to take other people's hard earned gains. I work hard and raise my child and educate her on current world views and different cultures. She is well mannered and compassionate to everyone she meets. A country is only as good as it treats its most vulnerable. To accuse a whole country of having a low IQ then to undermine them for doing so is prejudiced and inhumane. As a carer, I have noted people with the lowest IQ'S are the most hardworking and kindest and humble persons ever. So not only is this article racist it also trys to justify hate against people with low IQ's. Kindness, compassion, love and informed choices will make ours a better nation not racism and prejudice.

Typical immigrant. Bash the country that was kind enough to take them in. If you don't like Australia, then why don't you leave? And by the way, America is still the only world super power and Americans love Australians. So get lost and go back to your 3rd world, fish meatballs country

Typical convict stock, complaining when the truth and their true character is exposed.

Yeh you don't like it here then get out you trash.

Talking about trash? You should have left years ago, instead of showing of how tough you are, sculling another beer and urinate next to the BBQ!

Why dont you go to the streets and survey every foreign person you meet and ill bet you get the same story from each and every one of them as I do that this country is a 3 dressed up as 9.

---------------"is a 3 dressed up as 9"-------------

Australians live in a beautiful country, with an excellent climate, a whole continent to explore. They have a reasonable standard of living, love a barbecue and a beer, and a dip in their swimming pools. They have no political enemies living on their borders, and would be the country most likely to survive and thrive after a nuclear holocaust. So why are Aussies such racist, ignorant, stupid - genetically thick, close-minded, sport obsessed, soap watching morons. With an Aussie, everything has to come down to the lowest common denominator. They single handedly humiliated, subjugated, and destroyed their indigenous peoples.
They offer nothing to the world in terms of technical or scientific advancement - not even a good sun bloc!! They scream and cry and debate endlessly about the only thing that registers on their political radar, and that's immigration - conveniently forgetting that they serve as one of the best examples of how mass immigration supplants and destroyed an indigenous culture - through numbers and force of arms alone in a few generations. I hope that twenty million Iranian's-Pakistani's, Afghan boat people manage to land in Australia. Payback's a *****. The Yanks are bad enough - but at least they can say "we are the richest country in the world", or " we have the biggest army in the world" or " we run the world". They have some substance to base their arrogance and superiority. Aussies have nothing apart from a sun tan, a few swimmers and a cricket team. A nation, a people, a culture that amounts to nothing and never will. The broadband here is slow as the Aussies dimwits; their public transport dates back to the 70's and begs repair and upgrades; the government spent 240 million on a stupid ticketing system called MyKi but still could not implement it. Singapore had a similar one and is in use island wide since 2002. Even Mexican American Sol Trujillo said Australia is backward. I agree with Critical thinking and don't worry, yes, I am making my plans to leave this destitute cultural wasteland as soon as my job at the University is complete. Australians are generally thick. Per proportion of the population they are quite stupid, and this is obvious by their mass media, even their marginal media. Dull, let's face it, Australians don't have a lot to think about. Mowing the lawn. Washing the car. Watching Sport re-runs. Mimicking Americans. Not much there I am afraid. Australians can't, generally write. Australians lack any history of thought and therefore suffer a lack of any real present of thought. Australians have little vision besides American Television.
Australians are cowards. They can't stand new web technology. It took them years to trust Ebay. Queensland residents refuse to embrace daylight savings because they fear their curtains will fade. Most Australians are terrified of any fresh ideas or alternative ways of living. They still think anything that falls out of their norm as being freakish and weird. Australians at heart are essentially a violent and cruel society that pretends not to be, hiding most of its racism and hate behind closed doors. Another cowardly trait.
Australia has very little beautiful architecture, the landscape is drab, the suburban sprawl depressing and uninviting. The culture lacks any real excitement. Australians are not a passionate or romantic people, they are nasally challenged philistines with still a severe Tall Poppy syndrome.
There, that should do for now. There is plenty more but really in the end the country will settle into a flat uninspiring mass of inertia and just hang that way for evermore. Thank you so much for writing this, I feel completely the same.

well said !

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Maybe before you write an article stating that all young people who leave australian public schools are illiterate and that we are all stupid bogans; maybe check your use of the english langage in a grammatical sense. For example: "People here are just to stupid."
This should be written as: "People here are just too stupid." I do agree with your views on the government though.

You are an idiot, a fool, a simpleton. Australia ain't a bad place at all, compared to rest of the countries around the world. The people are not arrogant, semi-illiterate, gambling, ignorant idiots, you are! Actually, they're even better than you! Yes, I agree the government is inadequate and a bunch of clowns but at least they're not like you. Placing all your anger on Australia through the internet just because of the things you've been through there and things you've heard. You're so bias and ignorant, as well as the other fools who placed negative comments on your 'experience'. Shame on you, you and your country are even worse then Australia! You ****** ignorant *******!

this country is ugly and getting uglier, not place I want to have my eyes in. And let's not forget this countries deranged game called "rugby league' and even AFL to an extent where everyone is encouraged to abort there brains throw common sense into the wind, by jacking up on roids and running into each other for 80 mins. Wow, now who is better off being raised into this game? It is an atrocity, not one of these players would have passed year 10 math let alone get a doctorate for which they depend on, with so many players going to hospital every day from this game. Then we have the countless number of people who want to make there cars noisier!!!! Who do they think wants to listed to needlessly loud car noise? All this is doing is starting trouble, they should all be throw straight in jail. Along with anyone who has ever supported a so called 'sport' rugby league.

If you are so unhappy then do something about it. Go where you will be happy and stop being a little winger!

Well first of all, I was born in Australia and leaving is what I am doing. But I am after some intelligent responses to my question. How on earth can having rugby league and afl forced upon you to accept as "normal" when it goes against the core of what we are? Are we all that low that we like to watch people bash into each other for 90 minutes? - and everyone will play this and we will call it our national sport!!! How on earth can that be right? It teaches you to throw your brain in the drain, and biff. And it is reflected in so many ways in society - so many people are taught to and think that we should screw our brains over, that it is "cool" and socially acceptable. All it is capable of doing is angering. Pretty much all progress has come though intellect, and these people who get get their phones and cars, are out to bash anyone that reads!!! Sorry but I will never work for this nation or do it any favours when all it has intentions of is stabbing me in the back. Australia - a big wrongun.

Will this country ever earn worldwide respect? I sincerely would love to hear the day when someone says to me "Oh you are from Australia, you must be a good person!!"

Wow, you are pathetic. You sound like a rugby league supporting bogan criticizing afl, except you are most likely an unintelligent arrogant person from another country who's a fan of soccer, criticizing Australian sport. The difference is, though, that an Australian bogan will say this to their friends, where as you say it online. This is presumably because nobody wants to be around you or be associated with you because to judge you on this, you seem like a pretentious, arrogant, naive yet pitiful child.

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love it or **** of

who are you to judge?

Well said yacketyyack

You sound worse than the whinging poms.As the Aussies would say,''Bugger off''or run for office.

***** hole
*down lights
and all that from a public Australian education

Unfortunately you are wrong in some aspects of this. MOST is incredibly accurate, I come from a regional town in South Australia, and yes, all though we have been hit hard. And most people are leaving this town because of the lack of work due to farms closing. I believe we were better off with Gilard than we EVER will be with Abbot.

And also, we are not all illiterate drunks and gamblers, I myself happen to be training as a nurse, AS WELL as looking after and supporting my disabled husband and our daughter.

BUT in saying that... Kudos on saying what many other Australian people need to wake up and realise!!

Australians suck: they are so ignorant it defies description.

You are just plain offensive.

Those who sacrifice even a little liberty for security deserve neither. Australia needs to lose its totalitarian authoritarian nanny state gun laws.

Yeh thats right. Just so that some gun tott'n fool with a criminal mind like you can go into a school and shoot at little school kids. You must be proud of your self. People who want guns only want to kill. Just like people who want drugs only want to get out of it!

Your opinion is quite biased. I have a gun licence at 17, I don't shoot to kill. I shoot paper targets. Going into a school and shooting kids is the last thing any sane person would do. Don't make the assumption that every person that owns a gun wants to kill ****, because you couldn't look more moronic if you tried..

Look, you will never ever ever get any consideration or understanding or empathy from a bogan. A bogan is, by definition, lacking the above. An Aussie-bogan is as near to being a sociopath as you can get within the bounds of "normality".

Elsewhere in the world, bogans are used to collect garbage, sweep the streets, repair roads, drive earth-movers, shovel ****, etc,. and do all the menial tasks that require very little in the way of brains, but needing brawn.

So society needs the bogan type to function. In small doses, bogans are very useful, and are necessary. If they get out of line, they are quickly and literally, "whipped back into shape", as they were when they were known in the past by another name - the convict.

We are now living with and have to deal with, the spawn of those hundreds of thousands of convicts that settled the country, and procreated.

It's a terrible legacy, and one that has no realistic solution.

excellent observation ! :) and so true.

You got that one all wrong boganbait. The real bogans in Australia are those with degree qualifications. They sit in their offices and come up with all kinds of useless bullshit, get paid far too much for what they do and add no real value to anything. Don't generalize about people who do important work like picking up your garbage, sweeping the streets where you drop your junk, making essential repairs and shovel your ****. Anyone can be an arrogant pratt based on some piece of paper they got at some university and using that to look down upon others. Those are the real bogans and also the ones responsible for taking Australia down its current path to nowhere. That we are devoid of national pride or real sense of nationhood has nothing to do with garbos, meatworkers and cleaners. That kind of attitude actually trickles down from the top, namely from our educators, academics, intelligentsia and those that are supposed to represent us in our so-called democracy.

BTW, I know quite a few people with top notch degrees who have opted out of corporate life to drive dump trucks and do manual labor.

Ha Ha well said!

It is never difficult to spot a comment made by a "true blue" bogan. Frequently the comments are barely comprehensible, grammatically flawed, illogical and have a dismissive, disinterested tone to them.

I honestly wish I could disagree with that one.

A lot of what you is , unfortunately, all too true. The bulk of it is patently false and shows that you have been spending far too much time reading and probably forwarding hysterical emails and the daily telegraph. So sorry you didn't enjoy your stay, please close the door behind you.

Gee, moiyete!
My English isn\'t the best but I have got an excuse, for being my fourth language, what is your excuse?
Maybe you are pulling your bishop to much instead of learning how to read and write your mothers tongue properly.

Are you joking? what Grey said was more or less grammatically correct. You're just an arsehole.

Yes, fudgekin. Interesting. Regarding democracy, I fully agree. It is NOT working in Australia. The first problem is that Australia has compulsory voting. This means that the election results are always skewed to the left by disinterested, uninformed, dependancy minded bogans whose only interest is who will offer them the biggest baby bonus or government handout ! How can any country be successful when the government treats the population like little children that it MUST control and where the population are passive and lap it up ?

Coming from a former communist country, I\'ll have to say that the best policies are coming from people who are genuinely interested to serve the Nation and it\'s future and not to hung up with political ideologies like Rudd on the left or Abbot on the far right . And they are mainly found in the political center.
To much power either way, and it is very much a dictate of interest groups that are only interested in immediate gains for their agendas.
I don\'t want to be ruled by Rupert and his camp followers and I would despise a dictate of the proletariat equally!!!!!!!!
But that is exactly where Australian politics fails, one side is to far right and the other is to far left.
And politicians are not given the democratic right to have a conscience vote every time they choose. They are elected by the constituency after all, and not their party. They are elected on a falls promise, when they have to tow the line of interest groups which don\'t reflect the interests of the immediate constituency who gave the MP their vote in the first place.
There, the psychotic obsession with conformity is blowing right in the face of Democracy where it is almost counterproductive for the country as a whole in my way of thinking.
ps; I really like to take your thoughts on what I just wrote, thanks!

Conformity, towing the party line. The debates we have seen on TV etc, none of that is about what is best for the country. It is just a popularity and personality contest. However, the biggest obstacle in my opinion is that everybody HAS to vote. Even those with no knowledge, no insight, no interest in anything - they all vote. In most other western democracies, the people who vote are those who are sufficiently interested in what is happening in the country and in the world to actually bother to go and vote. In other countries, voluntary voting has a good chance of resulting in a government that is elected by people sufficiently interested and motivated and adequately informed. Abolishing compulsory voting would be a good first step to stripping away some of the nonsense that takes place in the selection of a government is Australia.

Conformity, towing the party line. The debates we have seen on TV etc, none of that is about what is best for the country. It is just a popularity and personality contest. However, the biggest obstacle in my opinion is that everybody HAS to vote. Even those with no knowledge, no insight, no interest in anything - they all vote. In most other western democracies, the people who vote are those who are sufficiently interested in what is happening in the country and in the world to actually bother to go and vote. In other countries, voluntary voting has a good chance of resulting in a government that is elected by people sufficiently interested and motivated and adequately informed. Abolishing compulsory voting would be a good first step to stripping away some of the nonsense that takes place in the selection of a government is Australia.

I am an American and I can say that although I have been lucky enough to land a "permanent full-time" job in local government, I see Australia making the same mistakes as what happened in my own country and the reason I left. I refuse to go back and am attempting to get citizenship so I can have some rights to help my Australian brothers put things right. It's too late for America....things are too difficult to fix, but there are still more opportunities for skilled people in Australia to help create a great nation. But first we need to get through the bureaucracy. I love Australia and its people, but do think major change is needed. Hopefully the Crown decides to bring in the mace to lay the smack down to give the clowns in Canberra a pig slice of humble pie. I hope William does it. I don't think democracy works very well any more and think that a good mix of socialism and monarchy should exercise some power to put things back in line and rule very strategically.

Boy, you've got hopes! Sounds like you're on a one man crusade to "put things right" in Australia.
Unless you're the Treasurer of the Reserve Bank or Prime Minister, how in buckley's are you going to put things right?

The most you can probably do if you're working for a local council, is to "put things right" with parking space, parking meters, establish a local library or improve the garbage collection system.

This is the kind of attitude that is going to PREVENT revolution. The people have more power than they could possibly imagine. They just need to wake up. There are no limits when it comes to rebellion.

Bring back the monarchy? Hope the Crown brings in the mace to smack down the clowns in Canberra?

Democracy doesn't work well so bring in socialism and monarchy combined?

Are you sure you're an American? You talk kinda funny for one?

I admire your enthusiasm and *****, but like a said, you've got buckley's turning this country around?

I'm Australian, and all I have to say is; Bravo!

Australian problems mostly stem from the education system. They teach completely irrelevant things (Japanese/French) for their twisted, misguided purposes (Multiculturalism, etc). Australians are completely devoid of common sense (maybe true for people in other countries too, no idea), care little about anything that doesn't concern them (no wonder the country is in a mess), are lazy/overweight like pigs (now 50% overweight!) and generally are in disarray.
Naturally these people then grow up and become the adults. Obviously these people become the parents and teachers of the next generation; and so, the ridiculous system continues on.
I'm born in Australia and I don't even want to be here. It's no longer a matter of "people from other nations". It's people from other nations who love Australia the most. Many of those who are born here are "ungrateful" for completely legitimate purposes.
Australia appeals to the majority simply because the majority are the reason behind the country's ailing state. That's how democracy works, an incompetent people ground the country. Competent people can become incompetent. The reverse almost never happens without a significant amount of assertion, something the country lacks.
The latest generation is comprised of pacifists who cannot/will not defend this country effectively should it be invaded, and continue partaking in the idiotic political system, "bogans" who are counter-productive to any civilised society, opportunistic predators who will vandalize and destroy whenever they can get away with it, and other stereotypes whom I won't bother describing.

The country's priorities are completely wrong. Making jobs and boosting the false economic system. Australia is some kind of twisted joke that is falling behind in the international race.
The country doesn't even know what needs to be fixed. That's how bad it's become. Obviously a nation without any clear direction as to how to advance is incapable of advancing.

I have said this before and I will say it again, that if people from other Nations dont like living here then shut up and get out!

You can say it as many times as you like, but I doubt that anyone will give a flying f__ck about your kind anymore because the only thing that comes out of your gob is lies, BS and deception. It is on the time for you to pull your tail between your legs and take your place in the foetal position, under the staircase.
You are selling this country to educated and skilled migrants as second best to paradise. When they give up everything at home and try to start their lives over again in Australia, you arrogant scoundrels are trying your best to keep them as your servants and are actually openly treating them like second class citizens. After the realization that everything is substandard and the Australian dream is more like a nightmare after the relentless confrontation of the brainless dipsticks of your kind. Do you expect them to take your arrogance and keep quiet about it? Those people are here now and they don’t like your backstabbing predatory character. Do you think that you can just f__ck people around like you did with the indigenous population and the pacific islanders? Use them and fkem off when they tell you that they are humans and not livestock. It doesn’t matter that you are in the majority, you are not going to tell everyone else what they can and can’t do, you are not going to f__ck people around when it tickles your fancy or they don’t conform to your expectations.

Have you taken your medication lately? Whoa!

Interesting response. If you are so misserable then why are you putting yourself through what seems to be your own private hell.

If I was to say go and love in France or Spain, then I would either knuckle down and get on with fitting in as best as I possibly could and learn the language and culture. If I was say very unhappy then I would just up and leave and come back home. Life is way too short to be misserable.

I am a proud Aussie and have known many immigrants who have enriched this Nation. They have managed to fit in and have created for themselfs a happy life and developed good friendships. To the ones who are critical and complaining constantly you may as well put yourself out of your missery and go to where you might find some happiness.

might help if you spelt border collies right, otherwise it just makes you out as the ignorant, uneducated dumbfuck that you really are. I'd be happy if your sort were obliterated.

What about people who were born here who don't want to be here? The economy is a mess and I've been unable to find a job, how would you suggest I pick up and move to another country? Maybe you'd like to fund my trip out of this hellhole if you're so determined that should be the solution to someone who's unhappy with the state of things.

This Country is not the old Soviet Union. People are free to come and go as they like. No one is forcing you to stay, or leave. If you don't like what I suggest then think up something different. Be proactive. Just always check travel advisories before you choose a destination. There are many Countries much worse of than here trust me, try being unemployed in the United States!

My bigger point is this, life is way too short to waste time complaining. Try living life to the fullest, and count your blessings. Think of how hard life is for so many others. Homeless people here in Australia who dont always get a meal, or a bed, or a safe house or flat to live in!

Where would you go that has a better standard of living than Australia? Where are there friendlier people than Aussies? Do tell.

Wake up. If you were born here and you do not like it, then do something about it. You are not trapped here you are free to leave. Stop your winging and fix the situation. To remain here and complain and slag off about this country just shows that your the one who has the problem. Get a job, save your money and buy an airline ticket. Get off your *** and do something about it.

funny you say that.. I doubt you are aboriginal and you are the exact reason we all look bad. get your head out of your @ss and go pick up your dogs dung lets see if you're half as good at picking it up as you are at spewing it I bet you could get a lazy council job in a park somewhere <3

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I guess that I'm lucky in that I live in Northern NSW, a relatively friendly and freethinking part of the country. If you live there and want to be with bogans, the Gold Coast is your closest hotspot.

I'm not really in a position to comment on politics, as I stopped following the news about a year ago and feel great for it. However, it's true that people get the politicians they deserve, and in this light it''s interesting that Tony Abbott is tipped to win the next election.

It's true that there's a streak of stupidity in Australia, and I'm not just talking about the political arena or the way in which pollies resort to populism, jingoism or the hip pocket when all else fails. Take the issue of vaccination, which arouses such hysterical and extreme feelings among the pro-compulsory vaccination camp. People are obsessed with technology to the extent that it blind them to the bigger picture.

Then consider sycophancy to the rich and powerful, the unwillingness of governments to regulate industry, and the general love of backward reactionary policies that fly in the face of intelligent progressive shifts elsewhere in the world. Drugs? - zero tolerance. Are hemp foods legal everywhere else in the world except for New Zealand? - keep them banned here. Climate change? - fast track as many coal mines and coal seam gas mines as humanly possible. At times I'm sure that the rest of the world looks on and shakes its head in disbelief.

It\'ll be interesting if Abbott does win the next election, he\'s a Rhode Scholar and there\'s a lot more to Abbott than most people realize. Most of them very positive. Rudd on the other hand is a fake. A well articulated fake, speaks fluent mandarin and he was an exceptional foreign minister, but what\'s interesting looking at the polls, is Rudd\'s popularity has shrunk dramatically, more and more Aussies seem to be coming to the realization that the Rudd factor isn\'t what it\'s cracked up to be. There\'s some hope for this place yet. Aussies are slow, or to say it in a different way \'laid back\' but more as in \'extremely laid back\' so that an outside looking can see \'geez these people are sloooooow\' - a consistent pattern in Australian politics to this date have been Governments serving long terms, being re-elected multiple times, despite failings, broken promises and such, especially more so in recent years, gillards no carbon tax promise, bligh\'s no selling of QLD public assets promise in 2009 - people still re-elected them, and re-elected them again, not cliff-hanger close-call elections but with strong mandates, so in this country people accept the fact that politicians lie to them, break their promises, directly affect cost of living and other imposts such as increases in road tolls promised not to happen if you vote for me.

Beattie/Bligh (ALP) over 10 years in government in QLD ;
going way back :
Malcolm Fraser\'s coalition ruled for &gt;10 years before Bob Hawke Came along (ALP), 12 years of labor, ended with Paul Keating as PM, John Howard\'s coalition was elected, again 12 years, mind you economic boom times under howard, so people had an excuse for being complacent. Budget surpluses were Jonny Howard\'s pride and joy, spending on infrastructure? What\'s that? Then Rudd/Gillard/Rudd again and here we are.

I reckon give clive palmer a shot, couldn\'t do any worse than the dimwits running now...

Those of you running around waving your aussie flag, we\'re the best, etc etc, take your blinkers off, not all is rosy down under, dollar\'s dropped, which would have been a good thing if we hadn\'t shifted our focus towards resources whilst screwing over small business, retail and manufacturing with a raft of prosperity-destroying taxes such as the introduction of the GST and then the Carbon Tax, in a time when China was ramping up manufacturing.

Recessions tend to make a few more people wake up, and we\'re getting real close .... 6-12 mths possibly.

( and history has shown that more millionaires are created during period of recession - reason being is when the economy tightens up, people think outside the box, if you got your head in the right place, are a quick thinker, chance are you can find a niche you can profit from, that kind of thing, when things are good, people tend to plod along and get a bit complacent - your average joe blow citizen will get taken to the cleaners, retrenchments, inflation, tax hikes, cost of living up, housing market deflates, mortgages go under water - those of us who have planned ahead, I\'ll be sitting here short-selling the Aussie dollar or a bear put spread option on some stock that\'s having a hard time !! might as well make the most of it lol )

Australia\'s drug laws are pathetic in their enforcement. There\'s no point in having them when drugs are running rampant throughout the latest generation.
As someone in tertiary education drugs are clearly attributed to the vast number of absences and dropouts in education.
Those who are pro-drugs can almost be completely open about it. Unless the police are right in front of you (rarely), you will get away with smoking bongs in public. The public won\'t report you.
If you\'re pro-drugs, the law is as good as not being made. May as well join in the large crowd using them.
If you\'re anti-drugs, just keep living behind the illusion that the enforcement is still there.
Win-win from the government\'s disgusting point of view.

'activerog' who is throwing around profanities, calling people dumb and morons, then saying that the he will be the next terrorist headline because according to him the only Aussie "is a dead one" completely devalues the argument he is trying to make. His attitude is dangerous rather than constructive. As a migrant myself I agree with some of the points made on this topic in this fourm, but some comments seem to be tainted by resentment and personal issues. Using the bad sides of Australia as an excuse to vent this anger and aggression stands in direct contrast to the argument the writers are trying to make.

Ive said it before and Ill say it again that if people do not like this country then go home.

Yes, it\'s so obvious, but the STUPID foreign parasites can\'t seem to see the self evident, instead they accuse their hosts of being stupid because they themselves can\'t do anything for themselves.

a lot, like me, kind of get stuck here.... expensive to live, and the cost of re-settling back home,, it\'s actually harder than most people think, when you move from a modern, civilized western economy to a much lesser one, thinking you\'ll do about the same, or just marginally less than back home...

The same situation confronts many people who retire too early and head off to Ecuador or other Poorer countries and realize it\'s not all it\'s cracked up to be. When you look at places like AU/NZ, they\'re extremely expensive by international standards, most statistical indicators point towards a highly refined consumer economy, Aussies and Kiwis both are as fast as the rest of them world-wide adopting new technologies, TV/Smartphones/Laptops/Internet/Tech etc, there are some intrinsic differences in consumer attidutes and fundamentals, but price sensitivity is extremely low in Australia, people tend to be way too laid back, but maybe not that far laid back, taking into account recent news that Target is struggling...

don\'t worry WAANKR, or was that BAANKR. Everything\'s perfect. There is no bad side to Australia. It\'s the perfect country. You people are just so amazing, you get things done as promised, you don\'t bullshit around, and your nation is destined for greatness. That\'s because you\'re so smart and aware of what\'s happening around you. You have community meetings in all areas every fortnight or month, local representatives and business people show up to debate community issues and concerns, local councillors and state government representatives throw in their 50c\'s worth. Yes we\'ll address that next fortnight or next month. Busy intersections get upgraded, overpass or underpass built. Governments listening to the people, people actually giving a rats ***. Sorry but that\'s not Australia. Screw you and your dumb-*** nation, don\'t change, PLEASE don\'t change, I\'m making $$$ dealing FORES with your dumb country\'s currency and having a ball !

FORE.X that is

I dont like this country, but I was born here and so were my parents. So perhaps you could suggest where I should go?

You need to make that decision for your self. Stop winging and be pro active and do something about it.

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You need to realize that Australians as a whole have extremely low intelligence, or "IQ" as they call it. I'm from Switzerland myself, and from personal experience I'd guess it would take between 50-100 aussies to make up the intelligence of the average european, Aussies really are the stupidest people on the planet, with possible exception being perhaps Kiwis and Russians. Australia is kind of an oxymoron, on one hand, Aussies are pretty rapid adopters of new technologies and gadgets but in reality are rather un-savvy consumers. Too lazy to lift their lazy, fat ***** to do a decent days work for a decent days' work, and similarly too lazy and inefficient to bother doing a "U-Turn" to get fuel at a service station that's 20% cheaper than the one on the road they were originally driving on. This is an experiment that's been done countless times in various cities and localities. Aussies couldn't be bothered going 2 minutes out of their way to save themselves $5 on tanking up their car, but these braindead cretins will jump up and down if they feel they've been ripped off to the tune of 2c per litre based on some technicality on supermarket fuel discount vouchers.

Aussies are great people until you need to interact with them. Then you'll discover how dumb these people really are. Personally, I've gotten to the point that if I had to deal with these morons for much longer, I'll become the next terrorist attack headline because I truly believe the only good aussie is a dead one, it's so damn hard to find a good one (and I have found one, in business).

and then when you look at the politicians this retarded excuse of a nation elects into power, well I rest my case. Call me euro-trash, I won't take offence to the fact that I have a brain and standards, but try to label any aussie as slow or too laid back and you're likely to get a smack in the teeth.

Then pack up and go home and stop your complaining!

Stay cool man, you are better of making songs about the Hill Billy Downunder then teeth kicking.
Set is as your wake-up song and every day will look brighter. It works for me man, I crack up laughing as soon I open my oyese moiyte.

Your stupid country is best known for crazy environmentalist and Vegan nut jobs like Paul Watson and Peter Brown Who push your politicians around and brainwash your ignorant poorly educated population. You deserve to be mocked and outcast by the civilized world because you're weak and stupid. Go to hell Australia.

You think your carbon tax is going to save the planet . What a bunch of dumbasses.

So true, how can oz do any good when we are too lazy to change the polititans. They should be accountable for their party's actions and deceit. No carbon tax promise from labour obtained votes fraudulently. Fraud is obtaining benefit by deceit. How is that not electoral fraud? How many people would not have voted for labour knowing that the carbon tax would be improvised? Unfortunately I can see the same tricks this coming election and I won't be surprised if labour get back in due to the overwhelming support from the un intelligent, dole bludging majority of Australians. I am embarrassed to be an Australian and sick of sacrificing my time and efforts to build a successful business and life, only to be continually over taxes to pay for the unintelligent majority. How can Australia change? Because if we don't affluent people won't come here or start businesses here and Australians will leave in droves. Who will be left to pay for the bludgers?

problem is aussies are simply too dumb. By my estimates, there would only be around 50'000 to maybe 200'000 people in this country that would fall into the category of intelligent people. The rest have their lives fixated on what's on TV, quality TV is called "A Current Affair", "Today Tonight" and "Home and Away" or their retarded sports they so proudly proclaim 'aussie supremacy' despite the fact that not much of the rest of the world plays these sports (namely cricket, football)...

With two teenage daughters, I'm astounded that absolutely NOTHING is being taught to our kids in relation to how business works, how the stock market works, how to manage their personal finances and such. They focus on really important things here in retard land to best prepare graduating students for life in the real world by teaching as little as possible about life in the real world, so they're dumb-***** like the rest of the retards that make up this otherwise rather picturesque and beautiful country.

Lucky I work with a brokerage firm, and I'm in a position to teach my kids good money habits and keeping their finances, especially matters relating to debt, under control, because THEY ARE TAUGHT ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN HIGH SCHOOL about business, money and personal finances. Everything in Australia is engineered to keep society as dumbed down and backwards thinking as possible. I truly believe that bar a few exceptions, the only good aussie is a dead one.

I'll agree with every point of yours,............but the good is a dead Aussie !!?!??!,. you may go to far there by letting yourself down to their level.

@ Matt028 I agree that it is fraud when the politicians promise one thing so that they get elected, then renege on the promise. They should be charged with fraud or there should be another election called in the case of something big like the carbon tax and misleading the nation. Re how can Australia change? Well a first step would be to abolish compulsory voting. This would mean that fewer idiots would vote and the election results would reflect the views of the people who actually cared about more than getting an increase in their dole money !

Many curse the NBN, but I really think it will be a game changer. For the first time in history, Australia will have national infrastructure that\'s on-par or better than most of the rest of the world has, more and more people will enjoy the possibilities really fast internet has to offer - for myself, it\'s been the option of almost completely isolating myself from having to lower myself to deal with aussies, and i can do business with anywhere in the world. More and more people will discover that most aussies are really very low intelligence, and there\'s a massive, unprecedented opportunity out there to tap into and profit from big time. Happy days.

lol THAT\'s when you REALLY discover how dumb most aussies are, mind you do their credit, mostly helped by the economic squeeze thanks to the GFC, there\'d be considerably more aussies now against a carbon tax than for it, especially now that the whole thing\'s been exposed as one great big scam, designed primarily not to tax us to death and give more to the rich, but to prevent developing nations from developing and becoming wealthy.

Duuuuh bro the carbon tax is a good thing, going to lower pollution and make the duuuh big polluters going to pay not the consumer duuuh
nooooh duuuh they wouldnt pass these prices on would they duuuh

like trying to wake the dead, communicating with skippys lol

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To most of the sheep minded people they technically act and treat the government as if they think they are gods.