Beyond Comprehension

I think like all of us here it still dumbfounds me that there are still people out there who can actually think that the holocaust did not happen, that it was some big conspiracy, that it was exaggerated. The evidence, written, oral and on film is tragically there for all to see.

The holocaust should serve as a stark reminder of what a few are capable of, even now genocides are still happening.

As a race, we do not learn from history.

This is why I am so passionate about everybody's rights to a good, fulfilling life, free from prejudice, to live their lives how they choose (with the old proviso that you don't cause unwanted pain to others),  to freedom of expression, all those things we should hold dear.

Mizzen123

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46-50, M
17 Responses May 9, 2009

i think the people who say the holocaust diddent happen,say it because really they dont give a dam.but they wont say that,so they deny it happend cos to them it makes no difference,cos they dont care,and i think they also say it to start arguments with the rest of us who get angry when people deny the holocaust,i get angry cos to dismiss the holocaust is to dismiss, and show no respect for the victims,survivors,and the people who fought to free us.

Yes, it caters to a particularly narrow minded audience. There was a poster on here a short while ago who was the most mysoginistic person I'd ever "met" ... and he posted a story which quoted a story from the Daily Mail in full ... I replied to him saying that I was glad to see that he used the Mail as an example of a balanced, unbiased viewpoint ... he erased my comment ... yay!! Exactly what I was trying to emphasise ... LOL

The worst of it was saying that Stephen Gately did not die a 'natural' death, the connotations were clear.....pathetic<br />
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Mizz

Oh yes ... didn't see The Mail ... don't get it here where I live (West of Ireland) - but I can imagine ... drugs, drink, alcohol ... orgies ... that paper always does its best ...

Spot on, WiB, it is fundamental to our humanity, I think....whilst still on the Daily Mail, they were doing their usual worst in regards to the death of Stephen Gately, weren't they? Typically obnoxious.<br />
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Mizz

Don't get me started on the Daily Mail!! LOL<br />
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Yes, I think anti-semitism bubbles under the surface in many societies and it doesn't take much for it to raise its head when it suits the media ... blaming the jews for recession or whatever problem you may have is nothing new after all. <br />
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Some things haven't changed ... but the preservation of freedom to express ourselves is something which should be fought for above all else I think.

yes, you're right, Britain were going to appease Hitler, and even Churchill was initially open to a deal. For years, the world in general turned away, and in England there where some very unsavoury, anti-semitic, headlines, not least from the still utterly loathsome Daily Mail (what a horrible, poisonous lot they are) and to their eternal shame, my local paper. You would hope that we would have progressed, but in essence, how much has changed?<br />
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Mizz

The thing is Mizzen that holocaust deniers do so to justify their own aims of course ... <br />
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There were many who chose to ignore what Hitler was up to ... Churchill included ... and it suited the aims of the British aristocracy to ally themselves with the German regime (being mostly of German descent themselves of course!). <br />
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Denial of such events in the past is ridiculous given the evidence ... it is crazy that such people are in power.

wettinggurl, thanks so much for your comment.<br />
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I read your post in this group, and the fact that you have direct family experience of the Holocaust through your great-grandparents. People are still alive that escaped the concentration camps, that had family that perished in the camps. The evidence is all around, but they choose not to see it to justify their vile anti-semitism, and it's scary that holocaust deniers are in positions of power, including President Ahmadinejad, one of the most repulsive people on earth.<br />
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Mizz

Completely agree with you. The fact that people deny it is unbelievable, but typical when such a large percentage of mankid are total jerks. History is bound to repeat itself unless we wake the hell up and face up to the past.

Yes,I just cannot comprehend how these monsters can do it. They have lost any sense of humanity. Iran have just re-elected (or he's re-elected himself in a Bush stylee) a holocaust denier and anti-semite in Ahmadinejad. I hope something can come of the demonstrations other than their blood being shed.<br />
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Mizz

yes, and the fact that there is actual physical evidence on film makes it even sicker that anybody could possdibly deny what happened.<br />
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Mizz

as horrible an unimaginable as it all seems it was very real.

My mum was born in London and lived there during some of the war, though she was evacuated to Surrey, which is pretty close. Both my late parents lived through the war. It is so important to try to ensure that hatred doesn't win.<br />
Mizzen123

agree with you. My mom was a child in London during <br />
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that time. She remembers a lot.

Hi, Troublshooter, and thanks for your comment<br />
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Yes, I remember the quote and still think it's very prescient. It isn't just the Holocaust we need to remember, there have been many genocides and massacres and some very disturbing events happening now. <br />
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I suppose what resonates with the Holocaust is that the Nazi's wanted to eradicate certain groups completely from humanity (Jewish people, homosexuals - or the homosexual community as somebody whose post I have just been answering insists on saying- disabled gypsies -romany or otherwise). <br />
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I can understand your concerns about keeping it alive, but tragically I think we still need to until all prejudice is gone - it's something we have to strive for, even if we as a species are going to fall short.<br />
It is very interesting that your daughter has described her trip as 'life-changing'. I have yet to visit these places, but I know I must, to keep alive their memory and spread to others, as your daughter and her friends will do. I think it's great that she will be an enlightened person, particularly when there are so many people who decry the young, not to mention those of us who want a fair society.<br />
All the best, <br />
Mizzen123

I have read all the holocaust stories I can to get my eveys on it still what made that guy do that to them? They were also people and have families? I dont where to begin but is such a sad sad story.