The Prayer Contract

God's unfailing ANSWERS to all prayers in exchange for our OBDEDIENCE, a.k.a., "concern above everything else with the Kingdom of God and what he requires" (as itemized and summarized), is possibly the best deal ever! It works too!

(Matt. 6: 9-15, 33)
Ethiopian Ethiopian
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4 Responses Dec 15, 2012

I am not going to leave you comfortless.... click on the included EP links to my resposes on prayer and a story on prayer.

http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Believe-In-The-Power-Of-Prayer/1549057

and this one

http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Believe-In-The-Power-Of-Prayer/1844551

and even then it is still NOT complete but sure gets the point of the matter.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge...

Yes! is an answer... but<br />
NO! is also an answer... regaurdless if we DON"T want to hear that.<br />
Not Yet or Not Now, are also answers, that we seem to disregaurd (we want yes's only) Studying everything that the sc<x>riptures has to say on Prayers from Genesis to Revelation gives us a great anatomy on prayer or better yet answered and unanswered prayers.<br />
It is good to know Who is God and How He works in such things.<br />
"Study to show thyself approved, a workman that needeth NOT be ashamed (for lack of in depth study), RIGHTLY dividing the Word of Truth.

I will be grateful for a few relevant EXAMPLES of the 3 categories of prayers in the Scriptures, viz.: answered, unanswered and pending prayers. Thank you!

Father Jehovah God, grant me the knowledge and understanding but most of all the wisdom to answer from within Your scriptures to reveal How You are with our prayers to meet the curiosity of Ethiopian concerning answered and unanswered prayers.In the name above every other name do I pray and thank You for it is already done!For You always answer my prayers "IF" they are in sync with Your will. Amen
I will compilate your required response according to what God reveals to me and according to what Father Jehovah God reveals that shall I show you Ethiopian.
Just give me a day or two (This search was yours to make, not to ask me) but as scripture declares I will be ready to give an answer to the hope of my belief/faith.
Stay tuned...

Regarding Answered Prayer, Unaswered Prayer and Not Yet or Not Now Prayer in that order I shall provide paraphrases only and to whom it was done...I have omitted book chapter and verse that you may be led by God to learn to do your own scriptural searches (it took me a couple of hours to listen to God and look them up I have all the BCV's if so challenged though O;-) but.....as it is written Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
That being said it is your own "DUTY" to do your own Genesis to Revelation research on any given topic on any given discussion/debate/reasoning to fully know the width, the height, the length, and breadth of any particular chosen subject/context O:-)
An Exhaustive Concordance is wonderful tool for looking up prayer('s, ing, ful then going through one by one for relevant in context finds but is incomplete because some situations never mentions prayer in the sentence in which a prayer is being asked viz: Genesis 17:18 not a word is mentioned that it was prayer but indeed it was again in Genesis 18 as Abraham having a leisure conversation with the Lord (Epiphany), he, short of begging, eludes to their salvation for Lot's family "Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us," that being said let us begin.
Answered
God said yes, to Samson when he destroyed the philistines with the temple. OT
God said yes, to Hannah for children. OT
God said yes, to centurion for his servant to be healed. NT
God said yes, to ten lepers to be healed. NT
God said no, to Cannan woman for daughter but then God rewarder her with yes for her outstanding faith. NT
God said no, to Paul to remove thorn in the flesh. NT
God said no, to Jonah and Elijah when they (in their respected times), asked that God take their lives. OT
God said no, to King Saul for guidance. OT
God said no, to David when he asked not to kill his son. OT
God said no, to King Zedekiah when he asked for help against Nebuchadnezzar. OT
God said no, to the mother of John and James when she asked that one stand each side in His kingdom. NT
God said NO! two times to Jesus "The Only Begotten Son" in the garden of gethsemane that Father would not seperate Jesus from Father upon the pouring/making of sin unto Jesus (Sin separates) NT
Unanswered
Moses prays to enter the Promised land God said speak nomore of this I will not answer to the point of ignoring Moses. OT
God tells Jeremiah to refrain from prayer unto Jerusalem/Judah or it will go unanswered (kinda a No and a unanswered prayer but once you find it and read it it will make sense.) OT
God explains to Jeremiah that even if Moses or Samuel would pray I will not answerand the same with Ezekiel when God said that even if Noah,Job, or Daniel Pray unto me I will not hear to answer. OT
In the book wisdom God threatens to not listen/hear which equals to unanswered prayer. OT
In Psalms God tells us if we regard iniquity, He will NOT listen therefore results in unanswered prayer. OT
It is written in a particular Gospel written by the beloved, that God does not hear sinners, which results in unanswered prayer. NT
The Lord's own brother exclaimed that God requires faith or an unanswered prayer results. NT
The unknown writer of a certain book in the NT exclaims without faith it is impossible to recieve anything, which again results in unanswered prayer. NT
Not Yet or Not Now
In the OT Israel prays for a saviour from 750 to 430 B.C. and God made them wait...Not Yet! OT
In the 66th book of the bible as we know it for it is actually one long scroll (love letter to the church) John the Revelator, prays right after God revealed that He comes quickly immediately in the spirit John prays that the Lord come, that was approximately 1943 years ago so the result of that prayer is NOT NOW or NOT YET!
and that was answered, unanswered and not now or not yet prayer from Gen. to Rev. was it thorough? by all means no but sure satisfied the challenge.
I give God all the glory honor and praise, for without him I could do nothing!
Matthew633
http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Believe-In-The-Power-Of-Prayer/1844551

Thank you in advance!

The progressive meetings at the "mountain" and in the "garden", a.k.a., the Transfiguration (Matt. 17: 1-13; Luke 9: 28-36), and in Gethsemane (John 18: 1-11), respectively, are BY INVITATION ONLY: exclusively for the likes of the privileged few, viz.: Simon Peter, James and John, with whom I am afraid we today do not share any credentials. Therefore, I submit that it is incorrect to write God said "No!" to Jesus at any time!

To make sure we are talking about the same context the excerpt I speak of since I am indeed being challenged in my God given theological discernment, it is as follows: Matthew 26:36-44, 2nd witness Mark 32-42, 3rd witness Luke 22:39-46
I was not commenting about The Mt of transfiguration, and John 18 misses the mark, because the story line begins right after the prayer incident (without mention in John 18)
Ask God in prayer if I am right in my interpretation....If you refuse to ask God or haphazzardly neglect to, then seek a theologian/scholar and anonymously present my interpretation and yours to see whom is rightly dividing God's truth (like that if you're wrong you won't be rebuked and embarassed by the theologian/scholar, when He finds himself sermonizing to fix you're wrong thinking [this is, "IF" you're wrong])
You're not seeing it
Jesus asked (twice), that the cup, be removed, what cup?
The cup was, the separation that was going to take place when God poured the sin of the elect upon Jesus, making Him sin. (Sin separates from God.) That is why he yelled with everything he had upon the cross, My God My God, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME. When Father made Jesus SIN He was separated from Father God for the very first time in everlasting eternity hence the prayers (two times) to take the cup (of separation away)
Many people believe He did not want to die, that is theologically inaccurate.
Jesus, was revealed by Father God that, this is the reason you came...that we may save the elect that were chosen before the world was. In the two times Jesus got up from prayer He was grieved at the thought of the separation from Father God upon the pouring of the elects sin in Him. Jesus did NOT want this to happen, he was so grieved He asked the sleeping disciples to help Him pray for this cup to be removed twice God said NO! by the Third time Jesus prayed He surrendered to Father God's will to be separated from Father God when He made Jesus SIN for only those that would believe in Him.
I pray God open the eyes and ears of your heart and pour revelation and wisdom that discernment may allow you to see, what God Himself has allowed me to see. In Jesus most magnifying name I pray and thank the Father for I evangelize that He may get the glory and not that I am the one right in any particular scriptural reasoning. Amen

Ethiopian
The progressive meetings at the "mountain" and in the "garden", a.k.a., the Transfiguration (Matt. 17: 1-13; Luke 9: 28-36), and in Gethsemane (John 18: 1-11), respectively, are BY INVITATION ONLY: exclusively for the likes of the privileged few, viz.: Simon Peter, James and John, with whom I am afraid we today do not share any credentials. Therefore, I submit that it is incorrect to write God said "No!" to Jesus at any time!
The above is what you replied to me...It is completely out of line to what scripture tells us hence Isaiah 55:8-9 applies to you....
Lovingly I wish to correct (what a Pastor I knew once said), you're stinking thinking!
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
NOTE: "the ALL scripture" I am sure this mean only the Cannononical Books and not the Apocrypphal Books
Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
ANYTHING in the 66 Books of the bible is Considered Scripture, including what you self theologize as private scenarios not to be used when 2 Tim. 3:16 reveals to us that "ALL scripture can be used, used for what??? is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
and it is my duty of love to direct you in the way of righteousness through the use of "ALL" scripture revealed to us that we may share it in righteousness as I do this day with you, Ethiopian (Regardless, If you independently disagree).
God has taught me to this lesson by learning to correctly interpret God's Word.
Let us not forget...
Nevertheless, What saith the scripture??? Gal 4:30a
B. asic
I. nstruction
B. efore
L. eaving
E. arth

If you think you know everything God refuses to give revelation...
Paul is a great example, he thought he knew it all before God opened his eyes to the fact that his theological studies were incorrect, so Paul then adopted I know NOTHING, but Jesus crucified. It is then, that God opened the eyes of his understanding of Old Testament scripture and attributed them to shadows of things to come, it was then that everything made sense. when God gave Paul Wisdom. Knowledge and Understanding is worthless if you do not have wisdom to correctly theologize/interpret His Word.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

This is scriptural extrapolation of Biblical Verses To apply when interpreting God's Word, I hope this compilation accompanied by prayer to God for wisdom, may help you from straying to false doctrine/theology/interpretation.
Apply God's Truth and He will NOT allow your Godly theology to fall.
Peace be unto you!
Scriptural Foundation For Biblical Interpretation
Imagine how thousands possibly even millions get railroaded by false prophets (He who interprets without the burden of Scriptural proof texting adding own earthly interpretation of Holy Scripture) .
All because they don't do their own research, but listen to what other people say.
Regaurdless what Tertullian or what Clemet of Alexandria said or what other people in history say or said, or what publications and brochures read.
Deuteronomy 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
Not what I think
or what other people think!
Not my opinion or
other peoples opinion!
Galations 4:30a NEVERTHELESS, WHAT SAITH THE SCRIPTURE...
Isaiah 55:8 For MY thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways MY ways, saith YHWH.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are MY ways higher than your ways, and MY thoughts than your thoughts.
Not what I interpret!
or what other people interpret!
SCRIPTURE INTERPRETS SCRIPTURE
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Not The Philosophy Or Psychology Of This World!
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This (earthly), wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
1 Corinthians 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, I came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
What is Philosophy?
Philosophy;
1. doctrine (teaching): a belief (or system of beliefs), accepted as authoritative by some group or school
2. the rational investigation of questions about existence and knowledge and ethics
3. any personal belief about how to live or how to deal with a situation; "self-indulgence was his only philosophy"; "my father's philosophy of child-rearing was to let mother do it"
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=philosophy

It must be the Whole Counsel of the Lord!
Acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you ALL the counsel of God.
Galations 4:30a NEVERTHELESS, WHAT SAITH THE SCRIPTURE...
But What GOD ALMIGHTY REVEALS through His WORD!
SCRIPTURE INTERPRETS SCRIPTURE
James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith,...
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
We must test/prove All things!
1 Thessalonians 5: 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. :22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
another witness within scripture is:
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Proverbs 14:15 The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.

For our immediately mutual benefit, I propose that we compare notes on the specific basis of our individual KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, a.k.a., the key to understanding and unity.

(Prov. 9: 10-11; John 17: 21-23)

2 Peter 1:20 Being conscious in the first place that no man by himself may give a special sense to the words of the prophets. Basic English Bible
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. King James Bible
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of ones own interpretation. New King James Bible
20 But, above all, remember that no prophecy in Scripture will be found to have come from the prophet's own prompting; Websters Bible
If you meet the safe practices of interpreting scripture I agree if you don't I stand on God's Word and you dont as you try to side step rebuke and continue to believe your very specially private interpretation.
Like I said I challenge you to seek out a Pastor or biblical scholar or a savy biblical student and present what I interpret and what you interpret and We find out who's the liar and who's the false private interpretation.
I want you to look at your way of seeking /studying God's Truth and critique if it's upto par with the way God would like you to study His Word.

I agree to your terms except on the question of arbiter for which I propose the "Holy Scriptures" which are useful for teaching the truth and rebuking error.

To start things off, MY POSITION is briefly and concisely the following which I can defend in the next round.

Knowledge of God is at the heart of the terms in the "new covenant", which is sealed in Christ's death on the cross. (Jer. 31: 31-34; Matt. 26: 26-29; 27: 50-56)

Your turn!

Your system of of interpretation is faulty ! and the consequences of faulty interpretation leads to heretical doctrine and understanding of Biblical Interpretation
Your system of interpretation violates 2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Let me include an excerpt you commented earlier...

Ethiopian
The progressive meetings at the "mountain" and in the "garden", a.k.a., the Transfiguration (Matt. 17: 1-13; Luke 9: 28-36), and in Gethsemane (John 18: 1-11), respectively, are BY INVITATION ONLY: exclusively for the likes of the privileged few, viz.: Simon Peter, James and John, with whom I am afraid we today do not share any credentials. Therefore, I submit that it is incorrect to write God said "No!" to Jesus at any time!

you heretically (definition: heretic- A person who holds controversial opinions, especially one who publicly dissents from personal, privatized, independent dogma), are using your heart to lead you into so called biblical know it all ism when this contradicts scriptures like
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? ( Not Ethiopians heart right???)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. (For you say that the scripture I use to prove my point is "NOT VALID" because I don't have credentials to use it when the above verse makes you out a liar because God in His Above mentioned verse 2 timothy 3:16-17 shows you and me that the scripture that was revealed to us is indeed able to be used for teaching, for "REBUKING" for correcting, for instructing but your decietful/desperately wicked heart [according to Jeremiah 17:9] that we cannot use any particular scripture that we dont have credentials for is a heretical lie [heresy], therefore you violate what is writeen in these following verses)
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. ( The consequences of not interpreting scripture rightly makes you heretical :-(
Your way of interpreting is not biblical....you use verses out of their context, to try to make them prove your point....consequenece:Heresy!
You say we "CAN"T use scripture because we have no credentials but yet again Scripture disagrees with you...
29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Anything revealed in the Holy Bible is useful to correct and rebuke people, when they are wrong.
You seem to refuse any rebuke or correction when properly and thoroughly furnished with evidence of your heresy, You refuse to acknowledge this following verse also (talk about a domino effect when one is wrong),
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts (Ethiopian), neither are your ways my ways (Ethiopian), saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways (Ethiopian), and my thoughts than your thoughts (Ethiopian).
All these warning signs for you, but you probably feel more spiritual, more wiser, more knowlegeable, perhaps because you're older, perhaps you have a who are you to instruct me complex, where are your credentials complex... I dont know....
The outline I gave you on how to interpret is biblically sound, but you refuse to acknowledge it.
There is another method of methodolgy, which you Do Not incorporate either (look it up when you can), it is called "Systematic Theology" that is definetly my prefered method but I use the two or three witnesses within scripture method more.
Your method has no foundation, that's why it falls apart when scrutinized with scripture and inherently close to new sect (so called Christians), religions that read interpretation that is Not there.
Harold Camping ( The False Prophet that prophesized the end of the world more thantwo times), once said "Brothers and sisters Have you heard that the bible says that we can not know the day and the hour? It is NOT TRUE!
Do you know Ethiopian who said You can not know the day or hour? JESUS! Harold Camping was bonified Heretical False Prophet (He was interpreting from the decietful and desperately wicked heart Jer17:9) because He felt God was leading his heart regardless what scripture actually read. (You remind me of Harold Camping) Sorrry the truth may hurt but it doesnt lie.
We have to ask for understanding, knowledge, and wisdom James 1:6, 4:2 ...we have not because we ask not. It is NOT automatic. The torn veil is only access to God "THROUGH" the avenue of "PRAYER" Not automatic.
My adise to you regardless if I already know you wont do it (pride) is ask God to show you if you're wrong, if you are, imagine how many people your independent, personal biblical interpretations railroaded peoples faiths/doctrine?
It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.
Abba Father Jehovah God I give you all the glory honor and praise and I thank you for this opportunity to bring Ethiopian in prayer to you, If He is wrong in his biblical interpretation and the way He goes about with biblical theology, show him his errors and help him tell everyone he has ever told in repentance, if you love Ethiopian chastise him and rebuke him (Rev.3:19) that He may learn to "RIGHTLY DIVIDE" Your Word, for Your own name sake I ask, I also ask that You give him knowledge of Your Word and understanding of your word but most of all discernment and wisdom to know how to rightly divide Your Word In the name of the Truth do I pray and thank You for You always hear my prayers that are in Your will (1 John5:14-15) I give you glory, honor, praise, thanksgiving and i bless you over and over eternally into infinity without end. AMEN

We either exchange ideas on an orderly basis or we don't start at all.

I submitted a PROPOSAL. You blasted some of my ideas without submitting your COUNER-PROPOSAL. It's not going to work.

We either follow the rules of rudimentary debate or we don't start at all.

Isaiah 58:1 Make a loud cry, do not be quiet, let your voice be sounding like a horn, and make clear to my people their evil doings, and to the family of Jacob their sins.
1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

Look carefully Ethiopian, and pray that God allow you to see my response, that I indeed rebutted your argumentation but you probably refuse to read it through, on account I rebuked/chastised you for your heresy of scripture interpretation.

Only personally revealed knowledge of the Holy One, a.k.a., Jesus Christ, viz.: "the faithful witness: the first-born from the dead" with multiplying effects, based of course on the Scriptures, can give correct understanding and interpretation. By the grace of God, I have that.

The alternative is deception.

(Matt. 27: 50-56; Col. 2: 1-5; Rev. 1; 5)

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