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Why So Judgmental?

I'm not talking about god now, I am to the Christians.

Why do so many (not all) Christians judge people for not being Christian, for loving the people they love, for not believing in the horrors of Satan and Hell?

Why do you believe that there is a Satan and a Hell? I've got new perspective on this burning thing now. One of my friends of a friends was severely burned yesterday and he and his family are in a lot of pain right now. Why would anyone be subjected to that for eternity for being gay or for being so confused or in so much pain that one commits suicide?

 

 

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Does the Bible teach that evildoers will be burned and tormented in a fiery hell for all eternity? No. This is what the Bible teaches. At Ecclesiastes 9:10 we read, “The dead know nothing … Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in ** hell **, whither thou art hastening.” (RHE, WYC) It's interesting to note that many other versions use the term "grave" instead of "hell" in this passage. As you can see then, the Biblical hell is nothing more than the grave. <br />
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Now, is the grave a fiery place of eternal torment? Well, when pronouncing sentence upon Adam, Jehovah stated: "Dust you are and to dust you will return." (Genesis 3:19) Where was Adam before God formed him from the dust of the ground and gave him life? He simply did not exist! When he died, Adam returned to that state of complete absence of life. <br />
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The condition of the dead is made clear at Ecclesiastes 9:5 where we read: "For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all." sc<x>ripturally then, death is a state of nonexistence. The dead have no awareness, no feelings, no thoughts :)<br />
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From these passages it's clear. The doctrine of a fiery hell is not a Biblical truth.

i stumbled on this randomly. i am a christian but i don't shove my beliefs down people's throats. i don't judge others cause to me we all have hearts and feelings no matter our differences. i also don't like to talk to people about hell just cause i believe there is a hell. people want to know you love them and care about them, and talking about them going to hell is not loving and caring, at least not for me it isn't.<br />
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i have been asked before by many if i am a christian then when i say yes and how did you know, they say it's because i'm so nice and because of the love i have for others. to me being a christian isn't necessarily shoving jesus down people's throats since the bible also warns us not to push people away and that there is a time and a place for everything. to me, it is showing love and compassion, friendship and faith in others.<br />
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just because i don't practice atheism, satanism, paganism, muslim, etc, it doesn't mean i have to condemn them for it. just because i don't practice being pro-abortion or pro-racism or pro-gay or whatever, doesn't mean i have to condemn them for it. i know people that walk differently than me in life. just cause we walk down different roads, doesn't mean we are less than neighborly.<br />
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i am sorry if any christians discriminated against or judged you guys cause the first fruit of the spirit that a true christian has is love. and god didn't say love someone unless they don't love me or love someone unless they're gay or whatever. but we were instructed to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. if i don't think i can, i pray and ask him to help me and give me the strength to love others.

Hi - totally sympathise. It bugs me when people are judgemental, Christians or not. It seems to me that, at the very least not being omniscient and not being perfectly understanding, we are in no position to do so. <br />
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Of course, judging people as fundamentally good or bad, or right or wrong in their views, values and beliefs isn't always the same as judging an action. I think sometimes with actions, though not always, there can be clear-cut cases. Like torture, for example. Or preying on the weakest, most vulnerable in society. Most people would agree that those are wrong. Tricking someone to save them from severe humiliation would be more debatable, although I personally believe deception in general to be wrong, and that there are, in the vast majority of cases, ways around it - but others might disagree. Some actions, like giving a convicted murderer a cursory nod by way of acknowledgement as he is led away to prison, would, in my eyes, be neutral - neither right or wrong.<br />
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But the important point I wanted to make is yeah, I definitely agree that when people judge other people, Christians or not, it can be very upsetting and hurt the cause of God's love. As for hell and Satan, yes, I do believe in them, but not conventionally. I've explained my views in my answer to the question 'The Impossibility of Sinning', if people are interested to read it.

Okay, so, gotta put in my two cents. 1.) I'm a Christian. I believe with my entire being in Christ and what He did for us on the cross. I know that Jesus is God's son and that He rose from the grave on the third day. 2.) I completely understand where you get the whole 'judgmental Christians' thing. The more Christians I meet, the more I can relate. Not only do Christians judge non-believers, but they also judge other Christians as well. This is the thing: not all Christians get it. Not all Christians understand the concept of salvation or how to live for Christ or how to love your neighbor. So many are confused about the fundamentals and are blind to the actual truth. It would take forever for me to explain. 3.) Satan and hell. I've come to a lot of debates over this. But, one thing stands true: Satan and hell is real, he does manipulate us and people do go to hell. It's reality. I hate to be so blunt, but there are people in the world who will go to hell when they die. Not everything is puppies and rainbows in death. 4.) I think you have the wrong idea about what people go to hell for. People don't go to hell for particular sins, like homosexuality or suicide. The reason people go to hell is their refusal of salvation. Christ offers it, some don't accept, either out anger or disbelief or some other reason. Then there are those who do accept out of knowledge, faith or love. It's free will. We have a choice. Either accept genuinely or don't. It's up to the individual.

It would do a world of help for anyone interested to check out Zeitgeist (Religion) The greatest story ever sold on U Tube.

Mostly Christians don't read John 3:17 which follows their favorite verse because John 3:17 says Jesus didn't come into the world to judge it. While I can judge people's conduct I cannot judge anyone in or out of Hell. Billy Graham, for example, only hopes to see his parents in Heaven because he understand you cannot judge a person into out of Heaven even if he is a recently departed Pope. I suspect there are more real Christians in America who never set foot in a church because of Toxic Religion. <br />
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Hell is like a default option because God never intended for Adam to live anywhere other than the Garden of Eden. After God created Adam God realized that like any other created animal there is a need for a companion and he created Eve. The offer of Satan to Eve and Adam who just sat there using Eve as a guinea pig was simple. Would you like to have the ability to judge good and evil or what we are tempted with "Would you like the ability to judge people into or out of God's company?" Just like Adam and Eve we want to climb up onto God's Thrown and judge people as unworthy of attending our churches.<br />
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God does not send people to Hell for any specific sin or total number of sins. People end up in Hell solely because they have rejected God with a qualification. The Apostle Paul said those who do not know the law, but follow the law are justified which puts a lot of people who have never heard of Jesus into Heaven.<br />
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Specifically, God doesn't send people to Hell for being gay. He does, however, send "Christians" who climb up on His Throne and judge homosexuals to Hell as demigods who have replaced the one and only true God with themselves. This wanting to have the ability to judge good and evil to judge people into and out of God' s company is the ability that Satan told Adam and Eve they would have it they disobeyed God's simple rule that they not eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge.<br />
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The big problem I have in responding to questions like yours is the Bible doesn't explain why Satan hates God and why God is allowing Satan to do his mischief in the world. The Book of Job makes it clear that Satan is powerless and can do nothing without God's allowing him to do so. Satan told God that off course Job loved God because nothing bad happened to him. God said Job will love me regardless of what you do to him, but you cannot take his life. Satan took everything we as humans value including his heath, but still Job loved God.<br />
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While the following passage is addressed to the King of Tyre it is also a desc<x>ription of Satan. Please note 28:14b which refers to Satan walking on fiery ground. On hypothetical posed by this reference is this is a desc<x>ription of Satan before Satan's Fall (turned to the Dark Side if you will allow such an idea) and Hell as a fiery place is merely where Satan lived before his fall and that in the end time God will basically consign Satan to, for lack of a better word, Hell or a Lake of Fire.<br />
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EZE 28:11 The word of the LORD came to me: 12 "Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: `This is what the Sovereign LORD says:<br />
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" `You were the model of perfection,<br />
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.<br />
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EZE 28:13 You were in Eden,<br />
the garden of God;<br />
every precious stone adorned you:<br />
ruby, topaz and emerald,<br />
chrysolite, onyx and jasper,<br />
sapphire, turquoise and beryl.<br />
Your settings and mountings were made of gold;<br />
on the day you were created they were prepared.<br />
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EZE 28:14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,<br />
for so I ordained you.<br />
You were on the holy mount of God;<br />
you walked among the fiery stones.<br />
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EZE 28:15 You were blameless in your ways<br />
from the day you were created<br />
till wickedness was found in you.<br />
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EZE 28:16 Through your widespread trade<br />
you were filled with violence,<br />
and you sinned.<br />
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,<br />
and I expelled you, O guardian cherub,<br />
from among the fiery stones.<br />
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EZE 28:17 Your heart became proud<br />
on account of your beauty,<br />
and you corrupted your wisdom<br />
because of your splendor.<br />
So I threw you to the earth;<br />
I made a spectacle of you before kings.<br />
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EZE 28:18 By your many sins and dishonest trade<br />
you have desecrated your sanctuaries.<br />
So I made a fire come out from you,<br />
and it consumed you,<br />
and I reduced you to ashes on the ground<br />
in the sight of all who were watching.<br />
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EZE 28:19 All the nations who knew you<br />
are appalled at you;<br />
you have come to a horrible end<br />
and will be no more.' "<br />
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I doubt that this has been of much use, but it is the best I can do in response to your questions as to why some people end up in Hell. It just seems they end up there because God doesn't want people who hate Him in Heaven and the only other place to put them is in Hell with Satan. But Hell was not designed for human habitation and it seem unfair in a human sense. God loves even Satan, but He knows that he will have to impose tough love on Satan and send Satan to his room for all eternity, but God cries that some people will end up there too. Maybe God and Satan are at war and in this war there has to be a number of human casualties assigned to Hell as Soldiers of Satan so God can save a few Soldiers of the Lord. Who knows? For some reason God doesn't tell.<br />
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But your question is missing the Spiritual aspects of Christianity. You don't decide Heaven is a better choice than Hell. Instead, you respond to John 3:16 with a return of God's love which requires a spiritual interaction with God because Jesus said we do not choose him, he chooses us.<br />
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The best prayer for Salvation ba<x>sed on John 3:16 is at the end of “The Everyday Life Bible Amplified Version” featuring notes and comments by Joyce Meyers and I set the text of this prayer out for your consideration because, first, it starts with the Salutation Jesus used when he taught his disciples and us the format of prayer. Please note all real prayers are addressed to God the Father if you choose to pray in the style of Jesus.<br />
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Father,<br />
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You loved the world so much that You gave Your only begotten Son to die for our sins so that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.<br />
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Your Word says we are saved by grace through faith as a gift from You. There is nothing we can do to earn salvation.<br />
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I believe and confess with my mouth that Jesus Christ is Your Son, the Savior of the world. I believe He died on the cross for me and bore all of my sins, paying the price for them.<br />
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I believe in my heart that You raised Jesus from the dead and that He is alive today.<br />
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I am a sinner and I am sorry for my sins and I ask You to foribe me. By faith I receive Jesus Christ now as my Lord and Savior. I believe that I am saved and will spend eternity with You! Thank you, Father. I am so grateful! <br />
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In Jesus’ name, Amen. <br />
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The only problem I have with this prayer is that we need to ask the LORD to send the Holy Spirit into our lives so we will have enough Faith to unwrap this wonderful present by saying this prayer to begin with.<br />
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The Gift of Salvation along with the Gift of Faith are both something you don’t earn or deserve. Both are just pretty Christmas Presents under a Christmas tree waiting for you to open your gifts, ignore these gifts, or unwrap them and return them to the store as something you don’t really want and exchange them for something that Satan offers.<br />
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While it does matter to me personally whether you accept or reject what I have shared with you because my salvation is not in the balance. I don’t need to be standing by someone I brought to the cross to get into Heaven. I only share this with you because Jesus asked me and people like me to share the Good News with all the World.<br />
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When Jesus sent his Disciples out to spread the Good News he told them when they came of village that rejected the Good News they were to knock the dust from their sandals and move on to the next village because there is no need for a follow up call because the LORD, not me, does the saving. Billy Graham says that and if it’s good enough for Billy Graham it is certainly good enough for me.<br />
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Your humble servant in Christ.

I have wonderd the same thing myself. I think they reason is just as unique as all the different religions. In my opinion some join a church or whatever because that's what their circle of family/friends is doing. They don't do it because the personally feel that is the right place for them so they never get what that religion is truly about. That's why I think you can find open minded respectful people in one religion just as easily as you can find the judgemental hypocrites. I have run into both from many religions.

Ichkanndichsehen and Regretful one, you're absolutely right. We are in no position to judge anybody, whether we are saved or not. I also believe I'm right when I get approached by unbelievers who ask me questions regarding the Bible and salvation, but then they are the ones who end up cursing God and telling me to go to hell because I refuse to lie about what the scriptures talk about and we all know for the most part that the truth is murder. They curse me and Jesus because I'm replying to their question because I'm not telling them what they want to here. So, they justify themselves by making themselves victims by referring to the judgmental principle and that Christians criticize them for their sins. Personally, I think that if a non Christian asks me something on what the Word of God is all about and when I give them my honest response and it bothers them, then perhaps they should think twice about asking me in the first place. I'm sorry if I offend them when I tell them the truth about the Lord, but I'm not sorry for speaking the truth about the Lord. Does this make sense?

I am so grateful to you for asking that, because some Christians seem to get all condemnatory don't they - more like the Pharisees than like Jesus. (By the way, if any Christians are reading this, I'm a licenced Layreader in the Anglican Church, which means I have some theological and Bible training, and what I'm about to say has always been the teaching of the Church.)<br />
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When I bought my car, it had a handbook with it - which told me where to put the oil, and so on. If I decide to do it my own way and put water in instead of oil, it doesn't matter how good my reasons are, and it doesn't matter how many other people are doing the same, and it doesn't matter that "I haven't read the manual, so you can't blame me" - I'll wreck the car just the same. <br />
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The car's makers didn't tell me to do all this stuff because of some kind of 'power trip' - they wanted my car to be a real joy and pleasure to me for years to come. <br />
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So the Bible is an owner's manual for a PERSON - written by the maker - and when God says, "Thou shalt not..." what He's saying is, "My dear son/daughter, don't do it that way - you weren't made to do it that way. I know - because I made you, and I want you to have years of real pleasure and joy." <br />
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It's worth noting that Jesus was more comfortable with the prostitutes and publicans than he was with the church authorities of his day - when the 'respectable' criticised Him for that, he said, "The Son of Man (i.e. He) did not come for the (self) righteous, but to call sinners to repentance." <br />
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If you're on the Titanic, it's not loving to keep quiet about the fact that it's going to sink - the loving thing to do is to warn people about the coming destruction - even if it makes you unpopular. <br />
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What often gets left out of some Christian comments is that according to Jesus' teaching, nobody BUT NOBODY gets saved from this destruction because they deserve it, or because they've done good things - the amazing new life which the supernatural living Jesus offers to any that want it is a free gift! (Yes, we're talking about the supernatural here.) :-)<br />
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My favourite definition of an evangelist: "An undeserving beggar telling other beggars where they're giving free handouts." <br />
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It's a lot more than just being saved from destruction too - the new life that begins when you put yourself in the service of Jesus in incredible - even if it does sometimes start slowly! Making something good out of life is much easier when you have supernatural help :-))<br />
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Anyone got questions - please contact me! Alternatively, for anyone who wants to know HOW all that works in practice, they published a paperback about my life in 2007 - Amazon has it in stock - just search "Transformed David Carpenter" on Amazon. They even have some used copies going cheap!<br />
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If you can't afford that, contact me and I'll send you a copy :-)

I think all people need something to excuse their own faults and wrongdoings so they judge and place others below themselves cause it makes them feel better.

Alright, I will chime in.<br />
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The Bible tells us that salvation and grace came through Jesus dying on the Jesus dying for us. He died for everyone and all that we are asked to do is to believe in Jesus, love God and love other people. Grace and love cover a multitude of 'sins'. <br />
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Now if you want to have grace but live under the law as a Christian so be it. However, it is between a sinner and the savior at the end of days. <br />
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If you want to dismiss God because it's just too much for him to ask you to love him and others...then you have earned hell all on your own.

Well, let me just warn you that if I explain why the Bible says these things that you are asking about, you probably will only get mad at me for telling you that and blame God for all the turmoil, won't you? I mean, that's what usually happens with me when an unbeliever asks me about Jesus Christ and salvation and I tell them the truth and of course we all know that the truth kills, but they still curse me and the Lord when they asked me and I was honestly answering their question, even though if they don't like hearing what I am about to tell them, then they shouldn't ask me in the first place because I won't lie and just tell them what they want to hear because it's not about what we want, but what we need. My point is if I tell respond to what you are asking here, you most likely won't like it. So, since I'm over fighting with you all about how angry you are about me truthfully pointing out to you what I have studied in the Bible and what God expects from us, if you feel that we Christians are judgmental and critical of you and you feel like the Lord hates people, although he created them and that's why he loves them, but you probably don't believe God created us either because you all battled us on the notion that there's no such thing as God, therefore, if you feel that God hates us or we Christians are to analytical of your beliefs, then those are things you are going to have to cope with. In other words, so be it. I am finished with arguing over this. I'm not going to lose my sanity by debating or bickering about who's beliefs are right and wrong. However, I will still pray for you all.

Defensive, aren't we?

I am a Christian, but do not believe if you've been bad you go to a place full of fire, where you spend the rest of eternity being poked by a guy with a pitchfork. Oh, and I'm pro gay marriage.

I understand how you feel. It hurts me when religious people [although I am one myself] judge and criticize people like prostitutes, Atheists, or people who have different beliefs than them. It makes me angry so much that I try to not to be judgmental. But if you want to talk, I would be happy to listen.

The logs in their eyes prevent them from reading the verse about not judging others, for the most part. There are exceptions to this, fortunately.

I do describe myself as Christian, although I do not belong to or promote any organized religion or denomination. I think that the people you're talking about are not unique to Christianity..they exist in both Judaism and Islam, as well...I think it's more a function of the people themselves than of the religion. Too many listen to the leaders of their particular sect, and believe it as gospel, never bothering to find out for themselves what God actually has to say about any particular topic. They are narrow minded people to begin with and that carries over into their spiritual lives. They pick and choose the parts of the religion that meets with their own personal way of thinking, and just go hog wild...not understanding, nor, worse, wanting to understand any other way of thinking..human nature can corrupt any teachings...hatred, mistrust, bigotry, chauvanism, homophobia can all be justified if you just pick the parts that sound like what you want to justify..and choose to interpret unclear teachings to skew in favor of your outlook.<br />
I , too , am sorry about your friend..and I , for one, don't necessarily believe in a literal fire..I think that hell is the eternal separation from God and his influence on your soul and the souls of others....eternal evil..only evil absence from love and God, Who is the Supreme ex<x>pression of love..<br />
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It's the God will get you theory of crowd control.

Yes, good question. You probably will get nothing from the theists, though. They seem to shy away from this group...Maybe it's because they know they can't really answer the questions.<br />
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Sorry to hear about your friend.