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I Have Tried "kronic" -the Legal Marijuana

Kronic 2 - The Aftermath

By: amberdextrous
Written on April 16th, 2011
Age: 51-55 , Male
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  • amberdextrous

    Very wise of You, perseverer! You are of course correct that criminalisatiion leads to crime -I would suggest on three levels: opportunistic crimes such as burglary and robbery, committed by users of the drugs in order to afford the vastly inflated prices; organised crimes such as the production and distribution of the drugs, committed by organised criminal networks, making massive profits and cementing their power bases; and systemic crimes such as corruption, committed by police, public officials and politicians, seduced by a share of the criminal profits, crimes that undermine public confidence in our institutions.



    Since posting this story, I have discovered that the 'secret' ingredient in Kronic is from the JWH-18 group of chemicals, developed as synthetic cannabinoids. The Wikipedia entry for JWH-18 begins: "An analgesic" so it is perhaps not surprising that I expeienced pain relief when using it. The anti-depressant effect I experienced was more likely a function of the pain relief -and my generalised euphoria- than of any direct psychoactive effect.



    Thank You for your contribution to this discussion.

    Aug 24, 2011
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  • perseverer

    Criminalising this kind of thing inevitably leads to an increase in crime. Two advantages of easier availability - one, to those contemplating euthenasia due to unmanageable pain it could save lives; and second, to those suffering intolerable mental obsessions - this might well turn out to be something that gives real relief. On every other aspect, I reserve my judgment.

    Aug 23, 2011
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  • amberdextrous

    Thank You, tanpav69, I will google skullcap. Anything to further my intelligence of science!

    May 19, 2011
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  • tanpav69

    when i read about Kronic the herb Skullcap came to mind.Look it up it has alot of the effects of Kronic

    May 19, 2011
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  • dubkebab

    your statements make sense to me,I'm glad you are doing your homework on this.

    GHB...yummmy.! the stuff is easy to O.D. on,though.



    I can think of little more to add here-it really seems like you know what you're doing.



    knowlege is power. just be careful out there,kids...I wasn't-and have longterm emotional damge to prove it! but yes,sober for today-life is good. I'm learning to continue handling things without using drugs,though I believe it is a human right to alter one's conciousness.As you mentioned-people will do it regardless of society's stance-many just to spite it.

    Apr 20, 2011
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  • amberdextrous

    Thank You for continuing to contribuite to this debate, dubkebab.



    I understand your concern regarding the "secret formula" aspect, my friend, and am working hard to get a definitive answer as to its contents. The company's packaging says Kronic contains: "a unique blend of all natural, organic extracts and concentrates" and although I am not naiive enough to be sucked in by such terminology (cyanide is "natural" and Dioxin poisons are "organic") I believe this does provide a significant clue.



    The best information I could get from the Western Australian Government Chemical Laboratories was that Kronic was "in the same group of chemicals as GHB". This refers, of course, to Gamma Hydroxbutyric acid, sometimes known as "liquid ecstacy", which is used medically to treat sleep disorders, depression and alcoholism. It is a naturally-occuring substance within the bodies of most mammals and its pharmacology is well-documented, although its use is regulated almost globally and restricted to medical applications.



    But we know how it goes... restrict the use of a psycho-active or hallucinogenic drug that people like to use socially, and governments create black markets -with all their attendant evils of high prices, the criminalisation of users, huge profits for organised crime, and corruption of government officials.



    What I believe the developers of Kronic have done is to capitalise on someone's pharmacological research and produced a GHB 'analogue' that binds to the same brain-receptors as GHB.



    Congratulations on achieveing a state of being that is sustainable without drugs, dubkebab! A laudable achievement indeed!

    Apr 19, 2011
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  • dubkebab

    well,mate-no one can accuse you of being brainfried! some very succint points you make here.

    yes,the Kronic is obviously not PCP-maybe just a bit of doper humour on my part...but still-such long lasting effects are rarely found in the plant kingdom,unless chemicaly refined ad infinitum.It sets off warning bells for me-especially where youth and drug interactions are concerned.I wish this company would offer SOME sort of accountability where this product is concerned-it sounds superstrong,and no studies at all have been cited on their site.



    I am far from naive concerning Marijuana-I grew up in the drug culture (hippie parents) and in my day I have consumed,grown and lobbied for safe acess to this beneficial ethnogen.Today it's our #1 cash crop in California and the citizens agree that the drug laws should reflect this.It's medicinal,spiritual and recreational uses are multifaceted and ancient.Anyone selling buds impregnated with glass(sounds like mythical media hysteria to me) are criminals of the sort black markets encourage and should be made to suck their own tainted product.Heavy laborers the world over have used it with few negative effects-though I was referring more to the miners using it on their day off-heavy machinery and the bud often don't mix well.

    I myself am a recovering addict and alcoholic,so luckily for me I no longer indulge in any mood or mind altering substances. I appreciate your thoughtful response-good luck to you.

    Apr 18, 2011
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  • amberdextrous

    Thank You for your comment and your advice, dubkebab. I assure you that I am exercising caution.



    Your comment about the fact you'd "rather have hardworking miners toking up on some herb than bingeing on some molecule which could lead to crippiling brain imparement" is interesting and instructive. I guess it outs you as a marijuana user, perhaps even an advocate (or even an apologist).



    Given that clinical trials over many years have shown that cannabis can significantly impair concentration, coordination and awareness, I am damned certain I don't want to work at any minesite operated by a bunch of pot-heads -nice and laid-back though they would be. And given that no such clinical trials have been conducted into whether Kronic has a similar range of impairment effects, I think it is a little early to judge between them.



    Further, your characterisation of cannabis as "some herb" is awfully naiive in these days of hydroponically-grown, hormonally-charged marijuana, which has been linked to everything from psychoses to the development of male breast tissue and even of male breast cancer. Some cannabis producers are reportedly spraying their plants with a solution of powdered glass, in order to mimic the look of "crystalline" THC It is no longer the simple hemp plant it once was.



    Lastly, Kronic is *not* PCP, which is universally banned, while Kronic is distributed legally. The fact that a company is marketing Kronic openly is actually a good indicator that the producers have done their research and have had scientific advice that -taken in the moderate doses advised on the packaging- it will have no long-term deleterious effects on the human brain or body.

    Apr 18, 2011
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  • dubkebab

    I would really care about ingesting such a potent chemical-I am especially leery of the "secret formula"

    and a company who seems to be in the game to make a quick buck (or many!) the effects you describe are more akin to PCP can any sort of cannabinoid and longterm effects from such substances are not pretty.I know from personal experience-having done neary any drug you could name.I favor drug education and full legalisation,this is a public health issue rather than a criminal one.I would much rather have hardworking miners toking up on some herb than bingeing on some molecule which could lead to crippiling brain imparement...your stories about this are funny and well written,and I'm glad you are adressing your pain-but I would advocate caution when dealing with unknown psychoactive compounds-there are many other safer options than risking brainfry.

    Apr 17, 2011
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