Clearly Right Or Wrong

           Having stated that I know of a different America is simply putting it mildly. While in school we said a prayer before the pledge of allegiance and morning exercises included announcements and other items of interests. Our founding fathers were Christan so there should be no harm there, if it was good enough for them it was good enough for me. I don't participate in any religion but I do believe in God. A child needs to know that morals matter. A conduct code was followed without question and if you stepped out of line, you got a paddling at school and then you had to deal with your parents. The parents didn't come to school to fight with teachers or school officials about how their child was being mistreated with poor grades. If you didn't do your work you didn't pass. No one ever brought guns or knives to school either. The teacher was respected.

           The whole concept of everyone is a winner even when they lose is completely bogus and sets up a lot of children to be poor losers in real life. There was only one winner in any competition. Sports was an activity for fun and enjoyment not a focal point of school direction.

            You worked for everything got in life and set goals to achieve. Unemployment was unheard of for someone who really wanted a job. Moms stayed at home and took care of the children while the father worked. If we didn't have the money for vacation we didn't go. Very little credit was ever used as a means of purchase, other than a home or car. You could survive off one pay check in the household.

           If you had time to watch the news after your chores were done, you would actually see great journalism and field reporters who only told you the facts as they appeared, not some sensationalized twist to increase viewership. No Hollywood  crap at all unless it involved the President or an important secondary circumstance.

          Patriotism was total and complete with confidence in our public officials. Sex was never a public issue. Information about sex wasn't shoved down you throat like it is now. Information about sexual function was better taught to you by your parents even if they were uncomfortable about it. Very few girls ever got pregnant and had to leave at my school, maybe not knowing so much about sex so early was a good thing.

         Veterans and Astronauts were National heroes until the Viet Nam era. They still are in my book. Even if I don't agree with the reason for the conflict, I support our troops.

         You could count on anyone respecting your property without having to call the cops. If you got in a fight,once it was over, it was over.

         Very few people were using drugs in my neighborhood, if there were, you knew who they were. Now days you can't tell who isn't, legally or otherwise.

          Reading was always a great pleasure for me but I don't see many young people these days reading for enjoyment. Maybe video games have become too common place.

 

         Being self sufficient in many areas, I find it amazing how few know how to do anything for themselves. I'm always willing to try to solve my own problems.

Caliper Caliper
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39 Responses Mar 9, 2009

I've seen life from the fifties through to now and they were better then. Obviously if you didn't live through those times you just wouldn't know anything except what you've heard or what you think you know about this experience.

first READ MY STORY IN I DON"T TOLERATE BULLSHIT TO FIND OUT WHAT HAAPENS TO 99% pf peopme who have the audacity to look for work<br />
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"But it sounds to me like you don't want to work smart or hard, you just don't want to work. Well, if you have this disability so bad, go get SSI and quit complaining about it to those who have work to do." <br />
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WORK WHERE WHEN NO ONE WILL HRE ME again see the story i mentioned and exuse the **** out of me for wanting to be on something other than govenment assstance <br />
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"what are you going to do about it? are you going to sit around and complain about it, or will you do something about it?" <br />
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just because i "complain" about it doesn't mean 'm doing nothing <br />
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"and another: do you have a 4 year or 2 year English degree? If you have a 4 year, you can already be a substitute teacher in most states, which doesn't pay great, from $75-150 a day depending on the district, but you work a 6 hour day and get to sit down all day. And you can get a teaching certificate as well and become a teacher. I know for a fact that English teachers are in short supply. But that's probably something you think you have no talent at and so will dismiss. Given your spelling and grammar on display here, I am guessing you got your degree with a 2.01 GPA or something."<br />
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No i cannot supstitute teach because in my town there is not enough of it to make any kind of living at and with no car and no lincense i cannot travel out of town for work and that aslo means no ability to pick up applications or apply in person when you live off the busline for a roof over your head <br />
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i do suck at teaching and know there is something sacred about it and will not inflict myself on kids no i have more respect for them and good teachers out there <br />
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i have a 4 year degree in english aand graduated *** lade from one of 3 accredited colleges in my town and was taught by some of the finest minds in the midwest <br />
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and my grammar and spelling DO NOT take away the power of my writing <br />
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the only thing wrong with my atitude is fuckwits like you who think you have all the answers who think attitude and work eithc are what's wrong not the employment system where you follow up on jobs and contact people give unintelligable answers, refuse to respond to follow up attemps at all, fausly advertize, can't write an ad for what they want <br />
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not the employment system where employers want to show you the bathroom the break room securuity codes for the bulding maybe the codes for the phone or passwprds for the computer and expect you to go to work without ever giving you a complete list of job duties without telling you how to fill out company paper work forget that they hired you off the street w/ no experice in the area <br />
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not its not that its me it isn't the catch 22 careers like to get your CNA licinse for example you must take a class to complte the class or in some places even be enrolled you have to work for a care faclility but the only way care facilities will hire you is if you have that liciense <br />
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it is the same to be a vetinatry tech you mus have license to be one but to get licinse you must have experience yet no one will hire you without lincence <br />
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employers complain that college students do notr have the skills needed for the work force however the skills they want are not (nor should they be part of the college cirriculm) nor are they found in the general working world of fast food or office work (typical jobs held by students) but only in the field in which the employer resides yet internships are scarece at best <br />
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that is the REAL problem

"i did not find time or money to do the things I liked when I worked 3 jobs (AND was going to college full-time, by the way). I literally worked myself to exhaustion, as evidenced by the fact that while standing on my feet at the cash register during a shift, I fainted from exhaustion and the ambulance came and all that. I wasn't hurt, thankfully, but it demonstrates something of my work ethic."<br />
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yes it says you were willing to work yourself to death you had no life durring that time which means if you had been hit by a bus in that ime thats what the whole of your life would have been <br />
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it says you were willing to put yourself in the hospital ( you could have ened up there too) and with no health insurance i'm guessing and lost one or all 3 of those jobs <br />
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and people end up in steight jakents doing that you would rather your tax dollars go to my stay in a medicaid state funded mental ward <br />
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"What I meant by that comment was that just because you are only "suited" for one job but can't make it with that job, was that sometimes it is better to take a job you don't like but that pays well so you can afford to be able to do the things you like to do. As in, you don't have to love your job, just do it so you can have money to do the things you love."<br />
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you assume that i could be passable at another job to keep it NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT <br />
if you suck at a job THEY WILL FIRE YOU if try try and try at a job and still suck they will STILL FIRE YOU that was my point <br />
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I have ONE employable talent i set out to use it to make a living did everything i knew to do to get where i wanted to go but got lied to by every career counselor job placement agency and just palin blown off bt college carreer services <br />
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unlike you and all these work hard morons who worship simpler times i can't work 1 nevermind 3 miinimum wage jobs because of my disabililty a disability i was born with <br />
not that i would want a lifew of work and nothing else because that is no life <br />
but i would be more than happy to work one job with a living wage except oops i can;t do that either <br />
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as if there is sometyhing wrong with wanting to work smater not harder using your mind rather than elbow grease <br />
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as if there is something wrong with wanting to work diffeerntly (not to be confused with lazyness or not wanting to work) <br />
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as if there is something wrong with wanting to have things now while you can enjoy them instead of waiting till retirement when you are too old and decreped to do what you wanted to then <br />
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FYI i have a degree in english and clerical training cannot get a job in either feild

first of all the judging comments were not directed at you they were directed at that night- whatever person <br />
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second i never said i was incable od working only that i was phyisically incable of working most minimum wage jobs and/ because of standing on your feet 8 hours a shift <br />
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My reasons do not keep changing i seemed to remember remarking also on the laack of jobs for all people right now <br />
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what i said about internet was in repose to people talking about simpler lives and i said that you need it to apply for jobs and that maany use it along with their blackberrys and celphones for work to stay connected to their job lest they loosse it or that is their thinking on it anyway <br />
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and i don't know where in having 3 minimjum wage jobs you stated you had you found time or funds to do the things you liked i really don't because yes you can theoretically work that much but then all you reallly have time for is eat sleep maybe do laundry and shower once and a while and really what kind of life is that???<br />
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and that is assuming you can get muliple jobs as too many can't fine one and when you are physically limited like i am the task just got 1,000 times harder <br />
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but oh i'm whining beccxause i dare speak the truth **** that

the thing you DO NOT understand is not everyone can be so adaplible and even if they are it doesn't mean the employment system is <br />
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there are people out there lucky enough to have a job that would LOVE to change careers to something they consider their passion or to spend more time with their faimily and they have the skill but can't get into the feild or don't have the finacial means to do do <br />
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then you have people who were literally put on this earth with one talent thats employable (and YES they too were round in the 50's 60's and 70's) and if that dream gets dashed if that thing somehow doesn't work and we force them to just get a job its how we get rude customer service people bad counter help people who know nothing about the jobs they have or suck at them despite what they DO know because they were never meant to be doing it and no matter how HARD they TRY it will NEVER make them as good as someone who is meant to do those things

you are mistaking exuses for reasons <br />
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just like eveyone wants to mistake whining for speaking out about the realities that are <br />
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like i said if you knew what i was talking about you wouln't be so quick to judge and when its you on the down side of things may someone rub your face in the dirt

tulick, you have a lot of excuses, so I am going to be done with this conversation. It's a complete waste of time.

"Being able to adapt and learn new skills, even ones you don't like and 'suck' at can often times lead to the job or activity that you love. Building blocks are a wonderful thing." <br />
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yeah by going for other things and avoiding things you suck at in the first place experts say play to your stregths not spend all your time trying to bolster your weaknesses <br />
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"There are still self-reliant people and those who are willing to work for things. They just don't stand around on the street being seen, or complain vocally, or make the news. They're too busy trying to get things done"<br />
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that is a nice idea when you can get a jkob when you are physically capable of doing that but when your not your screwed and theiir are people who want more out of life than to literly work themselves to death- horible them not <br />
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if you actuaally knew what i was talking about you would not be so quick to judge

When I first moved out on my own at 15, I hated cooking because I 'sucked' at it. Over the years, with practice and necessity, I have turned out to be a damn good cook. Sure glad I didn't keep whining about how I didn't like it and couldn't do it! <br />
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Your life is what you make it, just like the rest of us. Of course things change, life is ABOUT CHANGE. If you choose to be defeated and pessimistic all the time, then that is what you will get in return. <br />
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I love the idea of having more options for our youngsters in the high schools. Computers are wonderful, but what happens when your microwave breaks? I can't afford a maid, but I work in a professional trade that requires a nice crease in my slacks, who do you think puts that there every day? I hate ironing, and at first, I sucked at it, now, however, I can make any piece of clothing look better. And you know what? I still hate ironing! Big deal!<br />
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Being able to adapt and learn new skills, even ones you don't like and 'suck' at can often times lead to the job or activity that you love. Building blocks are a wonderful thing.<br />
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I don't know anyone who doesn't wish that life were simpler. Including myself. But we keep pounding away at it, trying to make a difference every day. <br />
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I agree with Calipers idea that we have lost some things that certainly did make life simpler, and eventually, history repeats itself. It would be nice to see kids out riding their bikes, and playing football in the streets, and being allowed to accept cookies and milk from my best friends neighbors grandma! Instead, in many instances, to keep our kids safe, they have to stay in the house.<br />
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Change starts with you, me, everyone.

"sucking at something shouldn't be used as an excuse. I "suck" at various things but I do them and learn daily how to do them better because my lively hood depends on it. So do countless others in the world. The point is, buck up and take personal responsibility where and when you can. <br />
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There is not inability to learn, only unwillingness"<br />
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i don't know what dream world you live in but sometimes it doesn't matter how hard you try at something you still suck at it <br />
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and if you are taking personal resposibility and nothing chaanges what then- better known as the quewstion no one wants to answer <br />
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and there is such a thing as an inability to learn something to the skill level needed to do it for a job <br />
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plus you cannot completly make over a perspnality you are either good at being a sales person or you aren't you are either good at customer service or you are not and you can learn all the techniques and such and still not be as good as someone with a natural talent for it <br />
and because the other person is naturally talented and better at it you lose the job or don't get it at all

while simotaniously puting the people in those professions out of business that is also NOT GOOD <br />
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and i said making them manditory was ridiculous coviering the thinking IF you thought they should be manditory <br />
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and that still does nothing forthe people like myself who took some of those things and SUUUUUUUUCKED at them

well you assume kids would take them and making them manditory is insane it is absolutly ridicuous to flunk someone because they suck at shop or have little domestic skills <br />
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i took some shop i took and home ecc sucked at both some people aren't meant to do those things and with mirowaves cheaper clothing and such we don't need it as much as we did then <br />
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and it has given this society room for professions lick machanic, tax perparer, exc.

"so somebody sucks at something, so what?"<br />
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The so what is if you FORCE them to get a job doing that just to have a job (and people wonder what's wrong with workers today THATS IT!)<br />
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"Everything is a challenge, question is, are we ready and willing to face those challenges head on?!"<br />
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AND WHEN YOU ARE DOING THAT REPEATEDLY AND IT DOESN"T WORK- the problem is persons who think like you have no answers at that point <br />
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working for minimum wage and the great depression should not have to be equated together people should be able to earn a living wage they should have access to opportunities to use the talents God gave them (something that was more prevelent in the 50's 60's and 70's )

Nothing like taking the positive approach to life. WaaWaa, so somebody sucks at something, so what? Big deal. We all have our own crosses to bear. Having trouble paying the bills on minimum wage? Well join the crowd! My grandmother told stories about growing up in the Great Depression, food rationing, and yes, all the gangster activity. 50 cents a day to clean motel rooms and then give the money to your parents, because everyone worked to put food on the table. <br />
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Yeah, I think there can be a pretty clear picture of right and wrong, although I am not so sure about the simplicity of any time on this earth. <br />
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Everything is a challenge, question is, are we ready and willing to face those challenges head on?!

EXACTLY that was the point of my comments about the 50's and 60's and 70's building on ech other

I'm only 26, and yet even *I* remember a vastly different time. I find it hard to fathom what it is like for those of you older than me. It also makes me wonder what it will be like when I am your age. I often wish things were more simple like they were in the past.<br />
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Oh, and by the way, I play video games AND read. I have 271 video games, and somewhere between 300 and 400 books (I lost count a long time ago XD). But then, I'm a rare one.

you know NOTHING you obviosly need to read or reread the comments on this story 1 its not about a little foot ache its about an incability to stand 8 hours on your feet <br />
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it isn't just about being inapoate its about the peopple out there who SUCK at the job they have despite their best effort <br />
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its not about an unwillingness to work 6$ an hour job its about working that and yoou can't provide for your basic needs <br />
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"Times are tough for everyone. If you put away your pride and honestly reach out and show your willingness to work, there are those out there that WILL hire you. I should know, I am one of them."<br />
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READ MY STORY IN I DON"T TOLERATE BULLSHIT

seems to me that it's time to learn what personal responsibility is again. You work because you need to be able to feed yourself and survive. Truly, your main concern should be your survival instinct for yourself and your family. <br />
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We can all sit around all day long, complaining that standing on our feet all day makes them hurt! YA THINK? Of course it makes your feet hurt! Sometimes, you do what is necessary, not because you like it, not because you are good at it, but because it means you will survive another day or two, and so will your family. <br />
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Just because you may have to take a job that you are not completely thrilled with does in no way indicate that you should behave inappropriately towards anyone at any time, and it doesn't matter if you are happy to be there or not. It's common decency, and polite respect in general. <br />
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I have worked at several jobs I was not so fond of, but that didn't stop me from giving my best effort. Didn't stop me from learning new skills, and it certainly didn't keep me from going to work because I was too proud to take the job available to me at the time. If I have to choose between $6 an hour and $0, guess what I will take? At least until something better comes along! <br />
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Maybe it a lack of morals and values, that my generation somehow didn't figure out how to instill in their children.<br />
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Maybe it is partly to blame that women do work, and many are also single parents. Daycares, virtual strangers are raising our children. I have been both a working mom and a stay at home mom. I liked the effects it had on my children when I was at home, more in tune with their education and grades, and in general being able to guide their after school time to something productive, besides TV and Video games. <br />
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Times are tough for everyone. If you put away your pride and honestly reach out and show your willingness to work, there are those out there that WILL hire you. I should know, I am one of them.

well now to get a job you must have internet acceess and e-mail to send offf resume and applications and don't count on your local library if you don't want a feeding frenzee <br />
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many people use a cell phone black berry or other such device for work not just plessure and the first time you get stranded somewhere the bill is worth it <br />
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there are too many peopple out there who live in modist housing enough room for the ocupents who drive a simple car do not go on lavish vacations or spend lots of excess money and they still can't make ends meet and no one can make it on minimum wage period

You said it yourself, Tulick,<br />
have a dream and go for something you want.

People now days do not understand the meaning of the word living.....I had go bankrupt...and the lawyer commented on just how simple my life was.....I have vey little entertaining expence....I stayed at home and watched TV most of the time...Rented vidios...read....No vacations....Other than week ends close to home....I drive a 43 year old car...I keep it running....Does not matter that it is dented...it runs...simple food that I make myself....I can sew....That is what I did for my daughters wedding....Made a 250 dollar dress for 50 dollars.....I make due...Or I go with out

"While in school we said a prayer before the pledge of allegiance and morning exercises included announcements and other items of interests." - I understand that! We had that in school here in BC, Canada too! I still remember the day it was an issue in high school as a teacher was told she couldn't say the Lords Prayer every morning! :-(<br />
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"If you didn't do your work you didn't pass." I loved that! I do not know why they changed it. It seems they like lowering the standard. I agree - it does the child a great dis-service.<br />
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"No one ever brought guns or knives to school either. The teacher was respected." - Amen!

"The times They Are A Changin"<br />
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a great GPA is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT all they need they need to apear well rouned esppecially if they are looking at harverd or yale they need the extra ciriculars if they want to have a shot in hell <br />
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kiddie sports ok but if the kid likes what they are doing still gets good grades in school if nothing else it exhausts them so they don't drive their parents crazy

All those activities I speak of when kids are 6 yrs old or 10 do not help them for college. Sorry. <br />
Kids should join one sport or activity, study study and study more...that will give them a shot at college. A great GPA is the only thing they need. The colleges today are getting fierce to get into if you want to go to a good one. I say to heck with the kiddie sports and study.

went to college got a degree but thanks to prfessional incomptence on all levels its useless because of all the WRONG informsation i got <br />
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and i suck at research have no interest in nursing but because of that i should not be punished for wanting to do other work<br />
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and it doesn't excuse the employer misconduct found in my bullshit story it doesn't excuse that we have made educations worthless with the more and more requirements we want applicants to have a BA is the new HS diploma employers want skills not gotten at college or all the teen jobs flipping burgers exc. <br />
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and why are kids doing all the activities to have a shot at college and some of them were smart like me (despitre the no transportation issues and thus no activities) did well in school to avoid doing counter work fast food because they knew they couldn't do it if they know themselves like i did they knew they were not a people person so they went for a career feild where they did not have to be <br />
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and WTF is wrong with having a dream and going for something you want <br />
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the smartest words ever said were said by one Donald Trump find what you love and figure out how it can make you money <br />
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too bad that doesn't worK<br />
no because you don't like it is not an exuse to be lazy but you can really really liked something too and suck at it no matter how hard you try

Tulick, Yes I am tired of this fallacy that everyone in the family needs to participate in their kids sports every week. They are involved n too many anyway. Way over the top in my book. Stay home and cook a home meal for them. Help them with homework or just play cards iwth them. In my personal opinion Family Values begin at home..not on the soccar field, dance recitals,baseball fields and whatever else they are into. <br />
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Sorry, but as the job fields start to dwindle with the economy, your average white or black high schooler better learn how to do it well. Cause guess who is willing to do it right and well? Yup. The Mexicans.<br />
They are hard working, and do a good job. You think just because you may not like being a cashier at mcdonalds or just cause you dont want to do that job it gives them permission to do a lazy performance is ok?<br />
They will find it hard to find another job...today.<br />
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All three of my boys have college degres and they have jobs. You could be a nurse who is trained to work at home on the computer. Research. Quit being a downer. Look they would help you financially IF you want to go to college. It may take years. But what the heck right?

"Man am I sick to death of these parents that want to have us there at every game"<br />
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awful workers who suck at cleaning ccouters and doing retail hmm then they should be doing something else and guess what in the world today you can and people KNOW this and that makes them horrible i don't think so <br />
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Pride in what the fact that they did what everyone says do stay in school stay out of trouble stay away from drugs even go to college and they have NOTHING to show for it

I have to agree with Caliper. I work in a school system, and have grandkids. Man am I sick to death of these parents that want to have us there at every game, if i look at the spectators they are old like me. In my day, they were all kids. I never needed my parents there at every game or performance. I did it for ME> <br />
I am saying too that when I was a Quarerback Club cashier, I was a damn good one. I kept the counters clean and waited on people fast. Today, they are just awful workers with no pride. My parents always told me, whatever you are in life..BE A GOOD ONE.<br />
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I LOVED YOUR STORY CALIPER. NICE JOB. I GREW UP IN THE 60'S AND 70S TOO. Dad was a drunk- recovered after I moved out. But, I dont blame a thing on him.<br />
Write some more!

too bad i know NOTHING about it <br />
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thats the other thing where do you suggest i get the money to go get aa teaaching degree where do you sugest i get the money for a nursing degree??<br />
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it isn't just about saying no its about the fact that people have certain talents it is best if they utilize those rather than just getting a job hating it and people paying for it <br />
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and as you saw from my bullshit story it isn't that i haven't looked for work its that i can't find it

I've got just the job for you Tulick. A medical benefits claim adjuster. You seem able to find a lot of ways to say no, so make it work for you!

you don't get a job as a teacher or a nurse because of the pay or just to have a job you do it because you want to educate kids like working with them or you want to help people <br />
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if you do it just for the paycheck people suffer and you can love kids (i don't) but you can and still be HORRBLE at teaching <br />
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you can know all the technical stuff about being a nurse and suck at dealing with pateients they also spend a lot of time on their feet something i can't do <br />
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and that just get a job attitude is how we end up with peopple in customer service who SUCK at it people as reported on the news as answering the phone line at 1-800 medicare who couldn't answer questions or do so correctly how we got department store customer service people and former pizza dilivery people becoming loan advisers on mortgages in firms dealing in ajustible rate mortgages

too bad i would SUCK at either one of those jobs

Thanks for commenting Grits. No one knows unless they've been there

my growing up years were like yours. it wasn't until I got in high school that things started changing. By the time I graduated things were really starting to change faster and not for the better.

I read your story but I still believe times were better and not an illusion of perspective. I don't know whose book you've been reading or lectures you've been listening to, but alcoholism was not as prevalent a problem for as you think it was. To say abused kids of the 50's were the drug users of the 60's is simply wrong in perspective. Kids who used drugs in the 60's were experimenting with drugs just like the beatniks did in the 50's. In the 60's drug use became more openly apparent of the nations young. Rock heroes were into it and kids followed suit.<br />
Guys came back from Viet Nam having tried drugs while in Nam. <br />
Once the door to drug use is opened there are many various outcomes to the experience depending on the person. Some people escape the experience , others were not so lucky.<br />
Back to being personally responsible for your own life. There is a shortage of jobs but they can't seem to hire enough teachers or nurses. Nurses are making on average 85-100 grand a year.

that was not the point the point was getting a job isn't as easy as you think (even before the economic mess feel free to look at my story in i don't tolerate bullshit) <br />
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work ethic really doesn't matter if you can't get a job or a second or a third <br />
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the point was america used to be different but it is no better or no worse than it used to be

I'll take a drunk over a drug addict anytime. Yes my father drank on occasion but he wasn't abusive until he was pushed into a corner by afirmative action. Your general approach is not relevant.<BR>The jist of this story is the cause and effect of personal choices of conduct. People have struggled in various eras of America's existence.and drugs have always been available. That"s not reason to choose that path. <BR>My father's work ethic was a good example for me to follow, when I lost my job, I ended up working two full time jobs for two years to keep my family in our home. <BR>If you aren't tough enough, you won't make it. Yes I had to do two crappy jobs for poor pay. <BR>Any whiner who wants to cry about his drunken father is just looking for a cop out. You man up and move on.<BR>Years ago you could get a job and work there until you retired. I've already had 14 jobs in my life, I'm now 58. I changed jobs again three years ago. I'va gone back and retrained in different areas several times to make the glove fit again. <BR>I've been told I'm over qualified at job interviews which is a bullshit idea when they really didn't want some one my age. Employers used to value their employees and loyality, now they hire the cheapest labor to improve their bottom line, illegal alien or not. Pres.Bush saying that the illegal aliens are only taking jobs that American don't want is so wrong. If you can hire two people for the same wage you paid one person, the displaced person can't take a 50% pay cut so he's out of work. That is in essense what happened to me twenty years ago.<BR>You're wrong, it was better years ago and it's continues to get worst all the time. I've lived in both time periods and I know the difference is vast on so many levels.

"You worked for everything got in life and set goals to achieve. Unemployment was unheard of for someone who really wanted a job"<br />
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yeah in the days when there were jobs to get and you could actually aford basic needs on the job you had <br />
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in the days where college was a lgusery not a nessesity where you did not have people with degrees flipping burgers just to have work <br />
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yes there was a day when people were respected because they deserved the the respect they got<br />
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but you also had the alchholsism of the 50's to deal with what life wasn't the counter culture of the 60's that was a stress respose to 50's opression you have the kids in the 50's with drunken abusive fathers who hit 20 something in the 70's and was still dealing with it <br />
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yes we live in a different america no better no worse people only think it was better