Ive Heard Enough

Aye. It's simply something these kids don't understand.

It pales in comparison to old magick

well duh...but it's better than nothing.

I'm too groggy to deal with stupid right now..

was just a tactical options review of a possible scenario. I dont say there are evil spirits; but if, ignoring them is foolish. as is ignoring for that matter any danger that might exist.

and.. seeing the world as it realy is is NEVER stupid. its actually the only way not to be stupid.

Very simple veil is there for a reason. Protects humans, protects magical sentients. Not cowardly. It brings peace.

peace is for the weak. it prevents predators from reaching their prey properly. so its better off then on if you ask me. hehe.

Not really. It simply makes my job more difficult. Do you want to see children die? Good people suffer? Because that is what you are saying out of sheer ignorance. Laws of nature. You let predators over hunt and it throws natural order out of balance. These aren't just predators. They don't hunt for food but to destroy.

yeah, dead humans of any age class are a good thing. the more the better. I would do exactly the same thing to mankind if I just could. end of case that. (and they will end themself anyway, so why not have fun along the way and help them die out?)

and I mean ALL humans. nonwithstanding their race, nationality, religion or colour.

Because you are human retard. Your not a god and its not for you to decide who lives and dies.

you are human too. not a ****** angel. cuz angels are inventions of mankind. so you dont have any rights to judge anything either.

Never claimed to be an angel. People see the name and assume. Its simply a name.

good. at least one sign of sanity in this whackoward of a site.. or planet.

Angel incarnates are not real because what separated angels from humans is they lacked a soul. Ergo not possible.

agreed that. no angels.

but then. you dont have duty for anything. cuz.. technically as human, you got free will, at least thats part of the package deal as far as I got the "human package" thing.

Yes and no. No I do not claim to be human. I am something else. Simply nothing so fanciful as 'angels' or 'werewolves' or any of that. Its complicated. Honestly its not something I feel inclined to share because it is simply no ones business. Its tied to the veil. Basically though my kin are like the guard dogs of man. Do I like it? No. But unlike most I actually have a sense of duty and I do answer to a higher power and not simply my own desires.

as crowley that old warlock said... do as you will. its all we can do.

Crowley was a psychotic druggy that formed a cult.

yeah. but that one phrase was right. cuz without that logic, all are just slaves. and life as slave is not life. better never born then being slaves.

Not slaves. Its all a matter of perspective. My deity does not require me to do anything I would not do on my own. I live a good karmic life. Yes my kin exists to serve, but the rewards are worth the sacrifice. In the life not the afterlife since we reincarnate and I knew that would have been your initial thought.

thats practically why I despise mankind and "god" as they call that tyrant invention. it only wants "serve us/him" or else. and I dont like that kinda treatment. if I get boons and powers, I can "work" for someone akin a mercenary. but im never "property" or a tool for anyone like some ****** up golem would be.

but that would mean boons and powers NOW, in this life, not like upgraded after death (even if its reincarnation).

actually, your boss inst like.. you know.. the tall man... koschtshei the deathless... oberon, lord of the elves.. takkenmann; or something like a "fay" creature? cuz the veil and watchdog thing does sound damn like that. in that case you would kinda aplly the "fay" heritage, which isnt logical cuz fay actualy DO tend to have active "magick" powers and are deemed immortal except when killed. but I never heard of reincarnated fay either, not even in legend (if you ignore the "cauldron of immortality" which revived fallen thuata de danaan in the war vs the fomorians in celtic myth).

I had a choice and I chose o serve. Slaves do not and I definitely do not work for christian god.

Do you have a faster method of communcation?

faster then talking? nope, lucky me im no telepath. I would go nuts if I were. I happy not having other peoples thoughts anywhere near me.

I meant yahoo, skype, etc. That way o don't have to keep refreshing.

I dont trust them others much. filters and all. dislike is a too small word for them. this here seems less troublesome. or im just lazy. who knows, who knows.

Fine. The concept of immortality is not one of the physical form but that of the soul. Hence the phrase 'immortal soul'. Fae are indeed immortal but not in a physical sense. They retain memories and ability. Yes I am fae in those aspect. Yes I can do things. Not so elaborate as turning people into frogs or start fires with my mind. Fae and in a sense beings made by other divinity. Given humans are for 'god' or at least that's the theory. Personally I believe in evolution to a point. Selene is the creator of my kin and we are indeed documented in history though I won't say where. I like to keep us as private as possible to limit the amount of children ruining our type.

I understand that very well. speaking it too open might be bad thing. considering it muigth result in hordes of idiots claiming to be fay for rp. like they did with vamps and weres in the past; yet I would like to know if the "tall man" also known as takkenmann in nederlande, is one of your... kind. its said its a fay, and ancient as far I researched it. I know the fay isle is avalon/buyan.

and selene.. is practically "luna" and also connected to artemis/diana, even possibly hekate in myth. some say even lillith. so... if shes a divinity she would be able to enforce a werewolf shift even upon a washed out blood line... or a purebreed human, if that worst case scenario would apply.

Ours does not work in such a way and while yes she is luna she predates all of them except maybe hekate. Who is a seperate deity all together. They each hold a diff time of the lunar phases. Lillith has no ties to selene whatsoever. What we are is not determined by bloodline. Being wolfkin is the only similarity we have with werewolves. Everything else about us is completely diff from them.

so no way to force a shift? too bad. another track cold out then.

I wondr if youre related to the thuata de danaan of old celtic "otherworld" myth. just random. they were the only elf kind ever to be reportedly interact openly with humans as they fought the fomorians.

well too bad. voodoo faiuled, witchcraft failed. fae powers would fail too. I guess im doomed to die in a human body. **** life.

Eh we shift but we don't. Its complicated to explain. We cannot turn people anyway. Its a birthright.

so you dont. if phys isnt involved, then dont is the answer. why do I even try. well im obsessive and probably insane.

Lol you don't get it. Do we have a physical wolf form? Yes. Do we shift from human to wolf, yes and no. Like I said its complicated. We do not mental shift because we are already wolf. There is nothing to shift to or from. We are not therians because we only have one soul. We simply are.

but if I would be anything, or for that reason, if ANYONE was something non human (animalistic in this cases) then the actual physical shift would be the proof one isnt a nutcase. cuz without it, the whole "being" something (as in I AM MY BODY logic) is based on being/becoming ones more "primitive" animalistic phys. for really. a were beast (or any other "monster powered creature/alien") is primary a physical force with claws, fangs and frenzied insticts that drive it to hunt the weak (because the weak are easy prey, and any predator likes the easy kill because its energy convenient not to have much fuss. you dont want fuss when you eat a sausage or fruit. you want nutrients then).

and if the "human shape" is a mere illusion due to the veil or whatnots that would mean a real werewolf or whatever would KEEP its super strength and claws and could actually kill with those natural powers, even if they are "invisible/hidden". which means that the actual shift doesnt happen. only the veil breaks appart when one shifts and shows the real emnergy matrix "below the illlusion shell".

Good job. Second comment you hit the nail. Even so though in the case of a werewolf. The strength doesn't change. Its not lile fat miraculously turns to muscle then back to fat. Fat human-fat werewolf. Also unlike fae werewolves have a very limited capacity for magick.

still the absense of the ability to USE fangs and claws as such even "hidden" or run quick on 4 legs, like the canine means... actually, IF the animal type is 4 legged stance, then the being WOULD NOT be able to effectively WALK UPRIGHT and grip things and mask as a human being. because then theyr "body" IS a animal phenotype and cannot manipulate like a human, even thought the illusion shell might mimic that motion. and I wasnt refering to fat to muscle thing, I was refering to the true shape abilities in general terms. so if one HAS the stretght say randomly, of a grizzly, like a were bear template, which also includes horridly powerful jaws and claws.. those things should be tere effectively. does make the actual "being one" in disguise shell rather unlikely. the only phenotype that MIGHT be able to halfway mask as a human being in this case woudl be a human sized rat were, which possesses hands and can walk on back legs if neccesary.

and.. ok assuming that being real, how does one "break the personal veil" enough to take back its original shape?

and im halfway sure im almost "magick immune" like grounded out like almost totally. nothing I tried of magick of any kind did even show the slightest effect. I might be just inept. or well. or perhaps a grounded werewolf (or whatever, im really not sure WHAT I might be, latently, but taking into account I actually almost bit peoples throats out from school time up on reflex shows im not really a human full breed. prolly some miscreant halfbreed monster in the bloodline, so washed out it wont surface ever again.) or insane.

and fun fact, its full moon according to the weather web thingiy and Im not the least wanting to go out, cuz that moonlight wouldnt do **** to what I seek. else it would have done so many years ago, which it didnt. so probably not wolf, anyway.

We should really be discussing this privately

Peace creates stagnancy and stagnancy creates corruption its for the weak and cowardly, war is for the big and strong/mighty and determines who is right, criminals and gangs and narcissists and all those immoral people can't exist in a battlefield or war ground. War is great/good because it cleans up corruption and makes everyone better people in the aftermath. In a stagnant so called ecular society with peace corruption is rising and all those bs like the narcissists, selfish and etc exist because they hide behind so called peace but when war hits watch them all go.

agreed to that. war clears the rusty **** out and leaves only the real good stuff. so its a natural mechanism of removing garbage.

I do believe we have already covered this and I think its adorable you envy me enough to troll and stalk me. Get in line boy there are other trolls in line ahead of you.

Troll god are you a fiveteen year old grow up, and stop argueing with a kid, hehe and you call ME immature clasic

I have actually met her in person, and she is at least as old as she says she is.

Why are you under the impression im arguing with you? By the way you need to focus on studying a bit harder its fifteen and classic. Or do you take those classes where they tell you how 'special' you are.

Oh sorry im using my phone so I have an idea, just go die

And this is why I hate people your age.

His last comment didnt make a lick of sense.

He's trying to get a rise.

He sucks at it

Should we just block him?

He will eventually fizzle out. They always do.

Haha no I dont

Yeah you will. Your a child . You have the attention span of a fruit fly.

Wow im hurt oh woe is me, second im better than you

Obviously not because you came on the internet to troll the beliefs of others. So no I will simply ignore you.

Oh no what ever will I do oh woe is me, oh wait I can just talk with my freinds

Please do. Really, do you have nothing better to do with your life than act like a giant ******* tool to people? Because if so, you are a sad, sad man.

Aww but its sooo much fun argueing with you two, because im better than you

Really? Please explain why, child.

Because im straight edge, and dont call me child

Thanks for letting me know that you are a member of the social underclass, who identifies with that subculture because certain professional wrestlers identify as it. And I will call you child, as you are younger than me.

Hahaha oh you mean phil? Yeah he is cool and all and the fact that you know about him puts you in that social underclass, but no I am straight edge because I dont feel like screwing my life up unlike you

Oh and never start a sentance with the word and.

I have only drunk alcohol once in my entire life. I do not consume any kind of recreational drug, save caffeine, which is not exactly a home-wrecker. I know of a pro wrestler that is straight-edge only peripherally. I live in a very backwards, red-neck infested region of the U.S., which forces me to know about pro wrestling so that I can actually talk to other people. I find it to be mildly entertaining as a form of theater, but not intellectually stimulating in the slightest, like some testosterone-fueled version of soap operas. My life is not "screwing up" nor is it screwed up, unless you consider going to med school screwed up. What I hold to be true does not mean that I am mad, nor that my life is going straight downhill. I do not believe that hurricanes hit major cities because they are kind to homosexuals. I do not believe that everyone who ever lived except for a small fraction of "the chosen" will burn in a fiery pit forever. I do not believe that a major world leader is the ultimate evil and the harbinger of the end of the world. And yet, people who believe such outrageous things are treated as perfectly reasonable, while I am treated as unhinged. Is that fair? Is that just?

Gramar lesson, its drank not drunk. You're welcome

No what

No to the whole "veil" story.

You have to elaborate else your statement is invalid

Invalid, because you say so? I could say there are no such things as unicorns without further elaboration: would that make it invalid? Of course not.
Nevertheless: this "veil" thing is nothing but the product of either creative, idle minds or of excessive superstition.
Even the idea that the "evil creatures" will start devouring humans once they see them: why do they not do so already without being seen? It would even provide for a better hunting spree, no?
It's nothing but a myth: might as well say that it is actually a giant red troll who is stopping us from "seeing the spiritual world". Noone would be able to check on that, no?
Certainly there are matters that escape the force of inquiry of the intellect, however, even the Supernatural can be known - to a certain degree - through man's intellect alone. Superstitious nonsense, however, are always beyond the use of human reason.

If they are beyond human reasoning then your confirming you wouldnt comprehend it be it real or fake. When I said invalid it was from a literary stand point. Knowing about the veil is knowing to some degree. As for hunting. You don't hunt deer by running through the woods and hoping you run into one. Nothing hunts like that.

You do not have any legitimate foundation to disprove its existence and simply because you don't believe in anything doesn't mean we shouldnt.

You do not go for a deer hunt unless you know a deer exists.

Your reasoning is that of many charlatans: "aha, it is beyond human reasoning, therefore you cannot say it is not true". Much like you cannot say that my giant red troll theory is false either: but clearly, it's nonsense.

There is no need to "disprove" its existence because normally speaking, it is up to someone making a claim to provide evidence for it in order to be taken seriously: that is the reasonable position.
The attitude you are parading for is that of ignorant gullibility.

As for me not believing in anything: do not run your mouth so much, because you are wrong. But then again, I distinguish between a belief that is reasonable and another that is purely superstitious and thus absolutely pointless.

You're like a fantasy book writer who forgot that what she is writing is indeed a fantasy and nothing more.

Your arrogance and pomp is what tells me hpw ignorant you are. YOU were the one who started talking about human comprehension. Actually its really easy to comprehend. The veil is energy that split reality into two seperate planes. Whats complicated about it? Its also a belief thats been around for quite some time and I choose to believe in it which is my right. Im not creating anything. Thats like accusing a christian for writing the bible despite there is no possible way that person could. As far as I can tell your twisting words and creating assumptions trying to distract from the holes in the logic of your argument. It may work with the kids around here but I assure you this is nothing new to me.

Since when do "arrogance" and "pomp" = "ignorance"? The former two are behavioural attitudes - at times dependent primarily on the the listener/viewer. It seems more likely that you are calling me "ignorant" because you dislike me for what I say.

"The veil is energy that split reality into two seperate planes."
Can this "energy" be measured by any chance?

"Its also a belief thats been around for quite some time and I choose to believe in it which is my right."
A civil right yes. So, in this case then, you simply take part in perpetuating an entirely baseless belief. May I ask what evidence has been offered? Or rather, what justifies faith in the people who perpetuate such idea?

" the holes in the logic of your argument. It may work with the kids around here but I assure you this is nothing new to me."
Holes in the logic of my argument? See, I somehow sincerely doubt the last quoted statement above.

Since you actually wish to give a civil debate now when I get off work in the morning I will expand on everything for you. Fair enough?

I look forward to reading about the justification for this veil idea.

Kind of. Pm me, and I'll be able to give you a more complete explanation.

You can private message by going to someone's profile and search for send message or something.

I did my first exorcism when I was 17 its not fun. Especially when your not Christian

I have had to send spirits away on a regular. It seems that these last few weeks have been on overdrive. I woke up to a friend being choked by nothing. Another friend stayed on the phone with me and she heard me being choked and calling for help. I had a girl literally call herself the devil on my in the passenger seat of my car Lol.... that was an interesting conversation who said it wanted me. I have had a figure standing in front of me and call itself the devil. And there a quite a few people completely covered in darkness who weren't before.

Why do you guys send spirits away... I see and hear them often... They're essentially harmless...

(Sorry for butting around at a later date than this was posted, but I am curious about this topic...)

Would you prefer allowing a spirit of sickness running rampant through a town, causing outbreaks of "antibiotic-resistant" illness? Because if you do not stop that when you could, you are giving such things your approval. I think you think we mean ghosts, who, although far from harmless, are easy to deal with.

Not even just spirits but demons too.

I'm talking about spirits... From my knowledge drug resistant illness is caused by humans.

I know demons too, the ones I know are not bad and do not have evil intentions.

Curious to know who it was that you ran into.

For the record, I do not believe in ghosts.

1. Ghosts are real. Most of them end up in the Underworld straight away, but enough linger in the material world long enough for them to be considered a serious phenomenon.
2. Spirits of illness can cause illness. Otherwise, they would not be spirits of illness. Some of the drug-resistant outbreaks that don't seem to spread beyond a particular hospital, but resists all attempts to squash it, are caused by a spirit of illness. As for demons, a true demon does not have "friends". All a true demon wants is to rip as much energy out of the world as possible. I am not saying that is what your friend wants. I am saying that he is something other than a true demon.

Since when are demons good things?!?

I know some, living as humans. I have seen others without a physical body.

They do not have negative intentions.

There is a difference between demons and daemons.

Exactly.

What is that difference?

I thought it was merely a difference in spelling. What is the distinction?

Demons are always evil, in addition to being entirely different things from daemons. Throw daimons in there, and you will never be able to keep the three straight.

Even if it is quite befuddling, I would like to try to keep them straight. =P

That's nice to say, but you obviously have never met a true demon. Imagine infinite hunger and hatred and pain and evil, and then give it a body. That is what a true demon is. Their world literally lacks any kind of substance. They are emptiness.

Way late reply yet again - I see demons. Demons are not evil, nor are they full of pain. Daemons are much the same.

Daimons, now that is just a made up word :)

Daemon-demon. Two entirely different things. Demons evil thoroughly. Daemons-sentient beings.

Ah, I see. I have seen both and considered them the same thing.

They still are not all evil or tortured... Actually I haven't seen one that was ever evil or tortured.

No. They are VASTLY DIFFERENT. I have no idea why you think they are.

Okay, maybe you're not following me; give me a definition for each and describe characteristics of both so I can be clear that we're talking about the same thing?

Lol maybe your the one not following. Demon malevolent entity. They are noncorporeal evil beings. Daemon are semi divine/supernatural beings. Corporeal (most anyway) sentients. They are good/bad/neutral...hell even wiki covers it.

Why should I believe information on wiki? Kids have access to it and can write articles about it.

Anyways. Then I still stand firm with what I said - I have seen both, neither are evil. I have never met an evil "daemon," but then again I don't believe your description of them to be very accurate. Don't get me wrong, there are bad spirits out there, demon just isn't the right name for them.

Actually I don't get my info from wiki. I get it from books, experience, elders. Perhaps you should do the same since most of these you've supposedly met are children on the internet. Obviously you have the romantic idea of there being good in everything. Have fun in that fantasy. :) its nice to have dreams.

Why should I get my information from books when I have first hand experience? That doesn't make sense...

You also assume that I think everything is good, right after saying there are bad things... :/

Obviously something isn't clicking since you have a very strong misunderstanding of things.

You're probably right. I'm not ever going to find someone who is honest.

I will leave you alone now.

Is that a halfhearted jab at me or others?

No, that's disappointment in myself for actually thinking I could find people who weren't just roleplayers and book readers.
It's okay though, hopefully one day I'll find someone :)

Slightly better insult. Take a minute. Think on it. Then wow me.

I'm not trying to insult you.

It translates that way. If you really must know I'm a type of daemon. One that hunts as well. That is why I know the things I do. I've been doing this a very long time as well.

As I said before - I probably won't ever find anyone honest, I will leave you alone.

Then your problem is you have ****** judgement.

That's okay with me.

Obviously not since your now contradicting yourself. That's okay though, we are done and you may go.

There isn't a contradiction to be found. Thank you for granting me the privilege to stop replying.

Your welcome.

*you're

I'm sorry my shattered cell phone glass limits my grammatical prose. Weren't you leaving little girl?

Its funny that she thinks that daimon is a made-up word.

Totally.