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Recall those insidious bastards

They are intentionally and hatefully contrary and will do all they can to destroy America from within............
I see them as terrorists who would love nothing more than to see America fall.
I am sick of their hate
ELFINSONG ELFINSONG 56-60, M 35 Responses Aug 6, 2011

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YES!!!!! Livingwell crosses the eternal sea with one stroke of the oars............ smiles<br />
!00%agreement from me sweet lady........... smiles

Not one of these so called conservatives or Tea Party Black President Haters were trying to cut spending when George Bush was spending for an illegal war. The Presidents from Texas & CA always leave us Americans with some huge trash to take out. <br />
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The economy went crazy on Regans' & Bushs' watch, with their blessings, THANK YOU!!! <br />
Bush ...just couldn't figure it out, but he sure had a ball spending the American people out. So get put on some GUTS folkes and stop talking politics you don't understand to me & others and start talking human protections for things like Clean Air, Water, RX 's and American jobs.<br />
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ALSO...Now you are trying to blame all this on OBAMA?? And all he wants is human protection and real growth in America for you and me.... <br />
SRE You serious??? This why we cannot move forward. <br />
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No one tells the truth and everyone has to be right. I think we should stop healthcare for everyone in Congress. Why should I pay for their good health when don't give a good a good monkeys' whisitle about mine. They all should be recalled for their selfish, human haters politics. At the very least make them take a 50% pay cut like the rest of Americans have...HUGS, livingwell

" nor should you be trying to down him. I wont go anyfurther there."<br />
This goes for President Obama as well.<br />
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"your 4T figure is worth less than the man who said it".................. Sounds very racist to me<br />
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I think you might want to read this entire thread............ maybe you will learn something<br />
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S&P was more in favor of the 4T plan that the miniscule crap the tea party whined their way into

You're still on the racist kick, I see. Everyone who thinks Obama's presidential skills are lacking are "racists". Fine, so be it.

According to your standard though, about 58% of the country is "racist" under that definition. I suppose that makes you a "minority" now as well. ;)

I suppose his remark ("your 4T figure is worth less than the man who said it) doesn't have a racist ring to it?
Maybe because you are too young to remember the word worthless used with the N word on a regular basis by rednecks in the south.
Whenever I heard that from somebody I would tell them that sounded like a worthless comment and not to use it around me.
As for percentages the republicans in congress had a 14 % approval rating for the deal they held up hostage for a month over............... go get a life

Boozer stop boozing it is clouding your ability to reason<br />
S&P says it downgraded us because of the Republican disire to be obstructionist.<br />
The President offered a 4 trillion cut and revenue solution ........... the republicans and tea idiots in congress think they won............ they may have won the battle but the war is going to EAT THEIR LUNCH<br />
S&P also said it should have been lighter on spending cuts and heavier on revenues to work the way they wanted to see it........... because cutting spending drastically in this economy is likely to stall any further growth<br />
Also Boozer If you want to discuss this with me you have to admit the culpability of Bush in this mess.<br />
He started the death spiral................. Obama is just trying everything he can to fix what was already broken

"Standard & Poor’s said that package “falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics.”<br />
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This was about the deal that was made<br />
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John Chambers, chairman of S&P’s sovereign ratings committee, told CNN that lawmakers could have avoided the downgrade by raising the debt ceiling in a timely manner.<br />
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This was not allowed by the tea party who insisted the debt ceiling be tied to the debt reduction<br />
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A deficit reduction plan more along the lines of one released last year by a presidential commission co-chaired by Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles could also have prevented the downgrade. Chambers said that plan, which had found $4 trillion in deficit cuts over 10 years, contained sensible recommendations."<br />
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yes a plan from a presidential commission that was tied up by the tea party because it was going to get rid of the tax welfare for the rich<br />
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Raising the debt ceiling earlier would have (at least temporarily) avoided the downgrade. However, soon enough, America would be in a much worse position with all the added debt if they did not drastically reduce spending. <br />
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Disallowed by tea party whining insisting on tying debt ceiling and debt reduction<br />
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The republican (Conservative) plans would have prevented the downgrade. That is from the mouth of S&P themselves. <br />
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Once again tea party whined until Boehner threw his hands up in frustration...... it was a plan that was being looked at seriously by democrats.......... but it included the 800 billion in revenues<br />
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A representative of S&P also said that the Ryan plan would have prevented it<br />
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Tell me the S&P reps name and show me proof<br />
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(Where's the story about how we shouldn't vote the President back into office after refusing all of these plans that would have prevented the downgrade? :)<br />
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I guess you haven't written it yet<br />
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The problem is the fact that some liberals and the President refused to do the kind of restructuring that they needed to do in order to show S&P that they were serious about reducing their debt to income ratio to the point that they would be fiscally responsible again.<br />
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They tried which was a balanced system of cuts and revenues which S&P said was the best option<br />
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I think I have addressed your whining more times than most would.............. please join another party and write your own stories........... there you can stretch the truth as much as you like<br />
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LilAnnie kind of like republicans on steroids............... That's kind of what I was thinking

"Standard & Poor’s said that package “falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics.” John Chambers, chairman of S&P’s sovereign ratings committee, told CNN that lawmakers could have avoided the downgrade by raising the debt ceiling in a timely manner. A deficit reduction plan more along the lines of one released last year by a presidential commission co-chaired by Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles could also have prevented the downgrade. Chambers said that plan, which had found $4 trillion in deficit cuts over 10 years, contained sensible recommendations."<br />
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To sum that up more succinctly, what S&P is saying here is this:<br />
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Raising the debt ceiling earlier would have (at least temporarily) avoided the downgrade. However, soon enough, America would be in a much worse position with all the added debt if they did not drastically reduce spending. <br />
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The republican (Conservative) plans would have prevented the downgrade. That is from the mouth of S&P themselves. The fact that the tea partiers held their ground proves that they are not the problem but that they had the solution. A representative of S&P also said that the Ryan plan would have prevented it. <br />
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(Where's the story about how we shouldn't vote the President back into office after refusing all of these plans that would have prevented the downgrade? :)<br />
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The problem is the fact that some liberals and the President refused to do the kind of restructuring that they needed to do in order to show S&P that they were serious about reducing their debt to income ratio to the point that they would be fiscally responsible again.

Libertarians, to me, see the perfect society as something akin to evolution run amuck...Every man for himself, let the strongest survive....since they all view themselves in very high regard, of course, such a society would see people like themselves as thriving and naturally coming into their own. Basically, libertarians are people with outsized egos.

If you send me a libertarian site to visit I will give you my opinion<br />
Though they just feel like a republican offshoot from the bits of information I haven seen

And to Puck... this is reality taken from CNN and the spokesman for S&P........... His last name is Chambers<br />
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COOPER: So it’s interesting. You’re saying without a doubt, the recent debate, the recent roadblocks in Congress, the tenor, the timing, the tone of the debate had a major impact on this.<br />
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CHAMBERS: Yes.<br />
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I think that’s what put things over the brink. In addition, we have a medium-term fiscal forecast that we see, you know, the debt-to- GDP ratio continuing to rise over the forecast horizon, and putting it in a position where it would no longer be compatible with many other AAA ratings.<br />
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As Maddow correctly pointed out, S&P downgraded the US because of the strategy that the Republican Party used of creating a debt ceiling crisis and demanding that budget cuts be tied to a debt ceiling increase. Chambers didn’t blame one party on his CNN appearance, but his writings and his stated reasoning leave little to question as to who and what he is talking about. It wasn’t just the strategy. It was also the reality that Republicans have made our political system is so dysfunctional that it is virtually a guarantee there will be no more agreed upon cuts beyond what is in this deal.<br />
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That is not to say that the left is blameless. Democrats, progressives, and activists all bought into the idea that a debt deal had to be a part of raising the debt ceiling. As S&P has pointed out, it didn’t. Buying into the Republicans ludicrous premise that these two things had to be done together enabled this crisis. Democrats and progressives should have stood up and said, we are not going to tie raising the debt ceiling to a debt deal. Raise the debt ceiling, and then we can discuss debt.<br />
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The left made a fatal strategic mistake by allowing Republicans to set the requirements for a debt ceiling increase. No, this is not just Obama’s fault. Every person on the left, who claims Obama caved on the deal is also to blame because they bought into the Republican construct that there had to be a deal in the first place. Democrats in Congress and the activists were both too busy buying into the horse race over the deal itself to stop and ask why we are discussing a deal in the first place.<br />
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Rachel Maddow knocked down the GOP talking point that their strategy of manufacturing a crisis had nothing to do with the downgrade. Republicans are still contending S&P downgraded US debt because we didn’t cut enough. People like Maddow need to continue going on national television every day and pointing out that Republicans made this crisis, and they caused the downgrade. <br />
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In a hostage situation, at some point it may become necessary to take action to free the captives.<br />
Since the Democratic Party can’t free us, it is up to voters to go to the polls in 2012 and take out the hostage takers.<br />
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So keep your tea party and republican lies to yourself............... they redefine everything whether it is true or not

Let's look at the more accepted definition of compromise:<br />
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1.a settlement in which each side gives up some demands or makes concessions<br />
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a.an adjustment of opposing principles, systems, etc. by modifying some aspects of each<br />
b.the result of such an adjustment<br />
3.something midway between two other things in quality, effect, etc.<br />
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Those are the top 3 definitions...... you went down the list to find something more appropriate to your argument that gives no ground from your side. typical to tea party line you would rather the country go down the tubes rather than to do the patriotic thing.<br />
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As far as your assertion that the majority wanting what the tea party got NOT TRUE.<br />
The polls show just 14% agree with the deal that was made.<br />
It may have been the majority of individuals in the districts that elected them but no where a majority of Americans<br />
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President Obama offered 4 trillion towards the debt you got 2.4 trillion............S&P says they wanted at least 4 trillion from both revenues and cuts and a civil discourse.......... that from their spokesman not from a commentator. The spokesman pointed his finger at the tea party directly............... do you people not watch reality news?<br />
I am convinced that as long as you stay plugged in to conservative talk radio and to fox news you will never be in touch with reality much less the pulse of Americans.<br />
The puppets were the balance of republicans not the president ya doof.<br />
Now, if you can't stop repeating the same old lies Don't bother to comment on something you know little about

NICE : )!!!

According to S&P, the Republican Plan would have prevented the first downgrade in US history. Straight from the horses mouth. HOWEVER, there was politicking on both sides that hurt us. It stands to reason that any bad thing that happens in this country is going to result in partisan finger pointing. We're getting dangerously polarized. Liberals are heart centered and conservatives are head centered. Libertarian is the only way to go! (tic)

Here's a definition for the word "compromise", for you Elfsong:<br />
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"To expose or make vulnerable to danger, suspicion, scandal, etc.; jeopardize: a military oversight that compromised the nation's defenses."<br />
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This is the kind of compromise that the tea party conservatives were trying to bypass. I give them respect and kudos for standing firm. They obviously weren't able to convince the president to cut back spending to a reasonable level, (considering that his BEST offer over ten years didn't add up to the amount of spending America does in *one* year) but they held to their promises to work hard and -not- compromise in any way that would lead to further jeopardizing the American economy. <br />
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(Newsflash: That's what got them voted in, so clearly, it's what the majority of the people want.)<br />
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If you feel the tea party are "puppet masters" perhaps the president should consider not being a puppet any longer rather than blaming all his failures on everyone and anyone other than himself.<br />
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That is no leader.

YADA YADA YADA.............. same old conservative speak.<br />
I don't blame it all on the republicans............. the tea party is most to blame<br />
there are actually some republicans who know the definition of COMPROMISE<br />
There are some democrats who go too far left as well<br />
WHat I am saying here is pla e the blame where it belongs................... squarely on the tea party and the republicans that decided it was smart to allow the tea party to act as puppet master

Funny that when the liberals controlled both houses and the White House, they didn't pass a budget.. Why? because then they have to own it, they would have no one to blame. Personnel responsibility is not in their DNA, well at least not the elected ones in D.C. <br />
Liberalism = blame everyone but yourself<br />
Republicans = Lets be fair-weather politicians to get elected and then spend once in office.

Well another.......................... the spokesman for S&P was just on CNN and he says the reason we were downgraded because looking long term outlook on how they think the republicans will behave.<br />
They don't see an end to the childish behavior.<br />
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Following that there was another commenting that if President Obama's suggestion of 4 trillion coming from revenue (ending tax breaks) and cuts in entitlements there would not have been a downgrade.<br />
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Republicans are expected to hold onto an untenable position even when it threatens then country or the ability of normal citizens to survive just to hold onto a tax break the rich don't need or deserve<br />
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Those hater are FACTS

The total wealth of the billionaires in America is a whopping 1.3 trillion dollars. If they were completely robbed of all their wealth, it would only amount to about 1/13th of the amount of money the United States spends in a year.

Furthermore, blaming the tea party conservatives for the problem is just proof that you believe everything you hear on television. The truth is that the problem existed long before there was a thing called "the tea party". Every single year since 1969, Congress has spent more than its income. This timespan covers both democrat and republican presidential regimes.

The people you watch on tv are betting on the fact that you don't really know the facts so they can get away causing you to believe pretty much whatever "your side" says, whether it's factual or not.

Obviously you won't take my word for this, but ironically, if I showed up without any facts (like some of your liberal friends have done) and merely patted you on the back for using hate speech, you wouldn't have a problem with me at all.

It's time that people stopped believing everything they hear or see or tv.

"I have yet to meet a liberal that uses facts in a point of view. They have mastered "hate"

How true this is.

SMILES............. don;t go home with a penny............ lol<br />
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Alms for the poor........... alms for the poor...............<br />
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if it helps i am going on holiday to the states in america with plenty of spending money to conttribute to your poor economy, no problem i am happy to help lol

Most souvenirs you'd find here are made in China.

If you would reread my question and really think about what you are saying you might understand ther difference between a question and an accusation.<br />
of course I don't know any in the moderate or right wing that would say yes to the question.<br />
I have better things to do than race bait.............. my question was for the seemingly lack of respect for the office and in particular the man/<br />
I was just wondering as to why you would fail to capitalize or tio use the appropriate title.<br />
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I am sure you understand that we can misread things others say in this format as we can not hear the tonal qualities of a voice.<br />
I am human and I get furious when I believe that a tiny segment of society can hijack the political process in an attempt to destroy the country......... so in that senxe ... yes I will use words that I normally wouldn't.<br />
I am guessing you are probably on the side of that small segment that supports the Tea Party but only because you choose to come into a post that is contrary to your beliefs.<br />
I was hoping to have you comment on my newest post in order to further understand where you stand on the issues.<br />
If you want to retain tax breaks for the rich I would say I believe you to be mislead.<br />
This problem that we face is going to take much more than a band aid<br />
I would like to see if you have any suggestions on the topic as well.<br />
We the People have to obviously lead the politicians because they are just not up yo the task at this time.<br />
The reason I used the term "Recall those insidious bastards" is because I see them being obstructionist and uncaring for my country.<br />
Anyone who screws around with the health of America is going to get blasted by me because I see traitors at work

"I know you don't care for President Obama but please respect the office.<br />
Whether you like him or not he is still the President and you should use his title....... not mister Obama.<br />
This is one of the points that can easily be called racist.............. note you didn't even capitalize Mister.<br />
Why is that? Could it be that you don't want a black man in the White House?"<br />
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This was uncalled for. Not only did my comment have absolutely nothing to do with the race of the president, I'm afraid you failed horribly in your attempt to smear me as a racist because as a matter of fact, I married a black man and my daughter is bi-racial. The racism argument that people fall back on to defend this president against anyone who doesn't care for his leadership abilities is as offensive as it is worn out. This, yet again, is proof that the left is just as guilty of slanderous and unnecessary accusations as you feel the ring-wingers are.<br />
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To be clear, my using the term "mister" was actually giving him more respect than I see those who "hate" him give, as those who intend to passive aggressively demean him typically just use his last name. After your gross display of insulting termonology towards the tea party conservatives in this story, it comes as no surprise that you would pick apart my comment to find anything to compare to it and it appears that the best you could come up with was the lack of capitalization. <br />
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The hypocrisy in that is astounding. Then again, I realized when I commented on this post that my input would be likely not be well received. This is one of the beauties of living in a free country -- we get to disagree. <br />
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Some can even do it respectfully and with aplomb.<br />
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Moving on from that, here's something I'm seeing quite a lot of lately when it comes to political debates. People are parroting what they saw, read, or heard someone else say. They do so because if it were not for whatever information that our preferred news source gives us, we would all be ignorant as to the state of affairs. Personally, I think it's dangerous for any of us to assume that our news sources may all be telling us the truth. <br />
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When it comes to my nations leaders, I have my values and political beliefs but I'm no respector of persons. I was no more a Bush supporter when he failed at the job than I am of Obama. Poor leadership is poor leadership, no matter what colors, age, shape, size or religion it happens to possess. <br />
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In the end, the biggest difference between you and I is not our political affiliations but the fact that I do not need to behave like the very thing I hate in order to express my concerns, disagreements or even my anger. You won't see me writing a story calling the left-wingers "hateful", "terrorists", "insidious bastards", and the like. There is absolutely no place for such language if you wish to retain any semblance of respect. This goes for -both- extremes of the political gamut. <br />
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Compared to your example, my lack of using the word "president" or the capital letter "M" seems to pale in comparison. <br />
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The Oscar Wilde quote I used applies to any "pot" who can't stand to see a black "kettle" pass them by. <br />
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If you don't like hateful speech -- don't use it.

Thank you penguinswon for the piece from the NY Times<br />
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A lot of truth in this piece<br />
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It reminds me to post a story I have sat on for nearly 2 weeks due to scheduling conflicts and laziness<br />
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I will entitle it "Top to Bottom reviews"

some perspective from an editorial in today's NY Times:<br />
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Seeking relief from the country’s woes through a louder, more ardent appeal to God strikes us as too much hope invested in too magical a solution. It suspends disbelief and defies rigorous reason.<br />
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But if we stick with this honesty thing, don’t we also have to admit that to varying degrees and with varying stakes, there’s magical thinking in secular life, and that it springs from a similar yearning for easy, all-encompassing answers? Didn’t the debt-ceiling showdown show us that?<br />
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That battle was defined largely by the unshakable, grandiose convictions of low-taxes, small-government puritans in the House, for whom Cut, Cap and Balance wasn’t so much a three-pronged wager as a holy trinity, promising salvation. While it’s inarguable that government has a tropism toward waste, and while tax increases should indeed be preceded by an inquiry into other options, the adamancy of the puritans’ position flew in the face of what many economists say, and it brooked no dissent. It felt more like theology than science.<br />
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“Particularly on the conservative side, we’re seeing a lot of beliefs that have this faith-ba<x>sed quality: ‘We know it’s true because our ideology tells us it’s true,’ ” said Alan Abramowitz, a professor of political science at Emory University, when I raised the subject with him on the phone last week.<br />
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Faith-ba<x>sed is right. We all have our religions, all of which exert a special pull — and draw special fervor — when apprehension runs high and confusion deep, as they do now. And if yours isn’t a balanced-budget amendment and a government as lean as Christian Bale in one of his extreme-acting roles, it might well be a big fat binge of Keynesian stimulus spending. Liberals think magically, too, becoming so attached to a certain approach that they wind up advocating it less as option than as panacea.<br />
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It has always been thus, all around the world and all through history. Marxism was supposed to be the answer to everything. Prohibition was supposed to redeem America, and unionization was supposed to guarantee a decent life for workers forevermore. Not all worked out exactly as planned.<br />
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Even lesser, more specific initiatives command a reverence out of proportion with actual facts. Look at the early-education program Head Start. Unimpeachable in its goals and seemingly sound in its logic, it’s one of the most celebrated, cherished antipoverty initiatives of the last half-century. Discussion about it has almost always centered on how best to protect or, ideally, expand it, because it so surely accomplishes such great good.<br />
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Except maybe it doesn’t. As Joe Klein reported in Time magazine earlier this summer, a comprehensive impact study for the Department of Health and Human Services raised questions about whether Head Start in its current form had all that much lingering benefit to its participants. That the department did so little to acknowledge or publicize these findings suggests the extent to which the program is considered gospel.<br />
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In government and so much else there are a multitude of options to weigh, a plenitude of roads to take and a tendency to puff up the one actually taken, because doing so squelches second-guessing and quells doubt.<br />
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“The minute you decide to buy the Toyota, your evaluation of it goes up,” said Jon A. Krosnick, a social psychologist at Stanford University who studies attitude formation. “You overly romanticize it.”<br />
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The same goes for religious creeds, political theories or, for that matter, management philosophies. Corporate America embraces one eureka approach after another, be it employee ownership or management by ob<x>jective or the cult of the charismatic C.E.O., and when such movements begin, “They’re considered like the invention of fire,” said Eric Abrahamson, who teaches at Columbia University’s graduate business school. “They do everything, they work everywhere, with great consequences. Just like religions, they give a whole explanation of the world.” That is, until they are swept aside in favor of the next movements, to be clung to as fiercely and blindingly as their predecessors.<br />
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Clarity seduces. So does simplicity. We don’t want to hear that different skills produce different results in different contexts, but rather that there are “7 Habits of Highly Effective People,” the number specific, finite. We like to believe that triathlon training will trump genes and keep all major illness and minor sagging at bay, and that the metabolic alchemy of a cabbage-soup diet or a no-carb diet or some other diet will work wonders and obviate humdrum moderation. Magical thinking, all of it.

I know you don't care for President Obama but please respect the office.<br />
Whether you like him or not he is still the President and you should use his title....... not mister Obama.<br />
This is one of the points that can easily be called racist.............. note you didn't even capitalize Mister.<br />
Why is that? Could it be that you don't want a black man in the White House?<br />
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As far as my post is concerned:<br />
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We all know that the debt needs to be brought down<br />
We also know that consistently throughout history it has been raised many of those times under republicans................the question is of tactics (holding America hostage and ruining our credit rating because of the obstructionist behavior of a hand full of ill-educated rednecks.<br />
If they could handle anything in a reasonable way the tone of this post would be less damning.<br />
Even the officials at S&P pointed to the behavior of the debate in The House as one of the reasons for the downgrade.<br />
The problem I have with the Tea Party and the Republicans is the tone and their consistent lies.<br />
(If you say it enough some people will believe anything...... you believe their lies)<br />
I and most economists say now is not the time to stop spending............. it needs to continue until we have recovered from the Bush era and the spending that was necessary to stop the economy from going off the cliff............... If this country goes into another recession it will be because of poor timing.<br />
When the conservatives can stand up and admit the culpability of Bush then we have a starting point for better relations<br />
What we as Democrats say is yes President Obama was dealt a tough hand and he has tried to do his best to help the recovery............. much of that had to do with infusion of funds into unpopular places but it stopped the slide towards the cliff.<br />
We are and were in uncharted territory from the banking failures , the mortgage crashes and having to bail out the auto industry and soaring unemployment<br />
So your side wants the rich to keep tax cuts (illogical if your position is to save the economy)<br />
My side wants to maintain a safety net for those most vulnerable citizens..... we also want Social Security to be saved from the raids by both parties the system was not broken until they raided the system................. Retirees should never be sacrificed because it is their money they paid in over an entire working life.............. they deserve it back..<br />
the idea behind our system of government is that we can solve anything through compromise.<br />
When one party refuses to participate then they need to be thrown out

Well, I guess idiots will be idiots. I love Intelligently's use of the Oscar Wilde quote. She needs to realize that it fits the Tea Party to a tee.

You're entitled to your opinions but not to your facts. :) <br />
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I find it ironic that you're "sick of their hate" yet your story is dripping with hatred. You're sick of "the bickering" as well, yet what do you call the tone of this story? <br />
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The tea partiers, like the president, were voted into office. However, unlike the president, they are "hated" for keeping the promises they made to their constituents to fight for the values that got them voted in. Most people would call that integrity.. but liberals are certainly not "most people" anymore by the looks of the November elections.<br />
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Meanwhile, mister Obama has betrayed even his own party time and time again. He is "hated" by many democrats and conservatives alike for not only failing to keep his campaign promises, but actually doing the very opposite of those things. He shows an immense lack of leadership and his words at the end of the day have been proven by his actions to be without worth. If you really like this president, I imagine you'd appreciate him taking a few pointers from those tea party "nuts" who are hardheaded enough to stick by their guns on the issues that really matter to them.<br />
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So while I respect your right to express yourself in any reasonable way you see fit, I'm going to have to point out that from where I sit, this story made you look a lot like the things you were accusing the tea partiers of. The sad part is that both sides are guilty of this kind of bias and rhetoric lately. <br />
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"The true hypocrite is the one who ceases to percieve his deception, the one who lies with sincerity." - Oscar Wilde<br />
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There are a lot of things in our nation that need to change, sir. But two wrongs don't make a right.

It looks that way from the citizens as well Andrew.<br />
We The People are sick of the bickering<br />
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I wish I could resurrect the statesmen of yesteryear but they would all just die once they saw America in this state<br />
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It really is so sad.......................

From outside the whole thing looks like a childish shambles. Where are some of the statesmen of yesteryear?

Well........... I never had a "very conservative" to remind me of the obvious............. smiles<br />
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I am happy to know that you realize the characteristics of the Tea party................... but give me a bit more time .... I think I might come up with a few hundred more