Bring It On

I especially enjoy US Civil War history so if you want to chat with me start off with this topic and you may end up chatting all night.

fungirlmmm fungirlmmm
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10 Responses Mar 1, 2009

My “summary” is that there is some debate as to the cause of the Civil War. I believe that political impotence of the South led them to decide that they had no influence on economic laws that govern commerce and therefore would be better off if they seceded from the Union. The South’s use of slaves was one minor case in point.<br />
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No laws that favored the South was being made in Congress due to lack of votes needed to pass such laws. <br />
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The North saw the secession of the South as against the best interest of the North. The North had need of the farm goods that came from the South and wanted control over the laws governing the trade of these goods. The North would loose control if the South could state it’s own trade laws.<br />
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The North’s claim to the moral “high ground” was pure propaganda. Few had any real concern for slaves then AS NOW.

I fell in love with “Her-Story” when I looked up the word “Who*e”(missing letter is r) in the Etymology section of the Denver Library. I was in fact looking up “cuss” words as degrading words toward women. (Mea Copa). <br />
MOST modern words that are degrading towards females were once holy, sacerd words. The story of how this happen is the most interesting story I have ever found…Dew

LOL, I am impressed btw Dew. You know a lot about history (herstory). A lot of people tell me I should have been a history major because that is where my interest is these days but oh well.

Lord??? OMGoddess!!!...DD

There is debate over how “outraged” the north was over the slave issue. A good example of this question is the Emancipation Proclamation by Abraham Lincoln. It declared the freedom of all slaves in any state of the Confederate States of America that did not return to Union control by January 1, 1863.<br />
Note the Emancipation Proclamation DID NOT FREE ALL SLAVES. Only the slaves of those states seceding. Abraham Lincoln was clearly saying that if a state did not become a part of the Confederate States of America then those states could keep their slaves. Lincoln was also playing on the fear that the South had of slave revote. <br />
As a general rule, I suspect money issues over moral claims as politics is usually about money as far as the professionals are concern. <br />
The main problem the South had was a lower and sparser population. This is important because the number of Congressmen allowed to represent a given state is decided by population. The Northern states had a higher, denser population and therefore more Congressmen. More Congressmen more votes. <br />
The North had such control of the House that the South was not able to get any bills passed that would favor the South’s economic interest. The South were so dominated by the ruthless bustards of the North that the South rightly decided that they might as will seceded.<br />
Of course the Northern states did not want the South to secede as the North clearly ruled over the South as a dictatorial husband might rule over a helpless maiden. As long as he could have his way with her, why indeed should he release her from his control.

The US State Department estimates that 17,500 slaves are brought into the United States every year. An estimated 50,000 slaves are forced to work as prostitutes, farm workers and domestic servants in the US.<br />
We are not "outraged" today, why would we think people were outraged yesterday?...Dew

Duchess,<br />
I am going to answer Dew’s question and maybe catch you up a little on some US History. If this seems too elementary for you then please forgive me because I am not sure to what extent you are looking for information. Please understand that this information is based on what I learned in school, and the opinions I formed myself. Some of this is strictly my opinion from the books I have read.<br />
The Civil War was a huge war fought between two halves of the United States of America. This was a bloody war where families fought against families, and brothers against brothers.<br />
Probably the main causes of the war were slavery and secession (when states break apart from one another) as the Southern states broke away from the United States.<br />
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The southern states included North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Virginia, Tennessee, Texas, Florida, Oklahoma and Arkansas. The south was much warmer than the north and had good soil for farming. Slavery was an important cause of the Civil War for the Southern states because they didn’t have to pay the slaves for their work, or worry about whether it was too hot for them to be outside. The slaves worked on the farms and in the fields, tending cotton, tobacco and other crops. Slaves were not very useful on the smaller farms in the north, so few northerners owned slaves.<br />
The northern states were New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, West Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, Missouri, Kentucky, California, Oregon, Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Kansas. The north had really only two main reasons to fight the war. One was, of course, slavery. Some people in the North (called the Union) were opposed to slavery. They wanted to eliminate slavery in the United States, and would fight a war for that one reason. Additionally persons in the North also didn’t want the country divided. So you had the abolitionists that wanted slavery abolished, and then you had those that didn’t want the South to secede. So you had both of these factors weighing heavily on the reasons for the North to go to war with the South.<br />
You also had the Compromise of 1850, which at best, only delayed the war. The Compromise of 1850 was a series of acts passed to help determine if the territory the United States received from the Mexican War should be free or have slavery and it prohibited the slave trade but allowed slavery to continue. The Compromise of 1850 made Kansas, California, and Oregon free states, but let other new states choose to be either free or slave states. The Compromise also forced the people in the north to return any runaway slaves they found to their rightful owners. This was a problem because the north wanted to let slaves be free when they got there. It was a problem for the south because they wanted the new states to be slave states. This helped lead to the Civil War because both sides were unhappy with the new law. As a result, they took it out on each other.<br />
During the presidential race in 1860, some representatives told the south to break away if Lincoln won the race. This worried the people in the north, because they thought a divided nation wouldn’t be a strong one. The Southern states, of course, didn’t think so. The South thought that if slavery ended, they would be forced to stop their way of life. The South liked the free labor and had been accustomed to lighter work loads because of it. Since slavery made many plantation owners money, they thought that getting rid of slavery would put them out of their jobs and homes.<br />
After Lincoln won the Presidential Election in 1860, the first state, South Carolina seceded from the Union. They did so because they thought Lincoln would outlaw slavery while in office. Shortly after that, five more states seceded. This was important because it convinced the north they HAD to fight a war to get the states back in the country. Eventually, the United States was no longer united. They became two nations: The United States of America (aka the Union and the North) and The Confederate States of America (aka the South or Rebels).<br />
By the time the war ended in 1865, hundreds of thousand had been killed on both sides as we fought against one another. It was a very sad war, but one I am very interested in. Others want to weigh in on this? Please do not take my word for it there are several books you can read, “Kentuckians in Gray” “Civil War Medicine” “Patriotic Treason” “Shiloh and Corinth” “One Continuous Battle” or any number of books on the Civil War.

I wish someone would write the modern equivalent of “Uncle Tom’s Cabin”. Perhaps name it “Runaway Jane’s new Crib”. I don’t now the facts but I have heard that “White Slavery” numbers are very high. Slavery is not a thing of the past.<br />
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On topic…What do you think was the main reason for the Civil War?

Dew, It is sad how the slaves were treated. I could never imagine my sister, much less my child being sold to another family and never seeing them again.<br />
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Aww Rog you are too cute.

When I taught History, I also did my best to include “Her-Story”. <br />
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When I did the six weeks on the Civil War I included “Uncle Tom's Cabin” by Harriet Beecher Stowe.<br />
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Her novel had a profound effect on attitudes toward African Americans and slavery in the United States . Her best selling book helped to set the stage for people in the North to be so outraged by the concept of slavery that the War against the South was morally acceptable. As propaganda this book was extremely effective…DD