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I Live In a Sexless Marriage

The Talk Never Goes As Planned...

By: charlierose5012
Written on June 13th, 2011
Age: 36-40 , Male
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  • iDigit

    WOT !!!! ... grieving over a lost lover ?!?!?!?! .... excuse me a second here, which is the higher instance here ?? The marriage or the affair ?? Lady, PACK YOUR BAGS AND HUMP IT !!! Stalling, excuses, maybe's. if's .... nothing DEFINITIVE and nothing COMMITTED. There are no maybes here... it is YES or NO !! The refuser always appeals to your good side, the kind thoughtful and "reasonable" side ... Forcing you into a Good guy Bad guy situation forcing you ta take on their guilt for them. Meanwhile, you have done nothing wrong, just wanting a little more skin that you are currently getting.



    The refuser is constantly trying to get you into a position of guilt so that they do not have face their own - and they know damned well that they are GUILTY !! REFUSERS ARE COWARDS !!! You have been on at her for 8 years about the counselor, she waits until 11h59:59th to say, "ok maybe if ....." .... TOO LATE !! If it came out as a desperate "YES I WILL !!! " now we are talking ... but "MAYBE ... IF" ????? Her intentions are written all over this one ..... it is telling you a massive emphatic "NOT !!!! ... but chew on that one my dear while I cook something else up ".



    You did right to call the lover, and I hope you did mention it to his wife as well as the school. This in itself does not solve anything, but does buy you time and leverage - 2 tings your refuser does not want you to have.



    Kids get over the divorce quickly. It is not nice, not for anyone. But if you can keep it civil between the parents and in the best interests of the kids, then they do not suffer any more than they have to. It gets ugly when the parents fight over them ..... Avoid that at all costs. Remember, the kids did not ask to be here, that was a decision made between you and your wife. Good luck and best wishes.

    Jun 18, 2011
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  • enna30

    Charlie, I encourage you to Google the following topic:

    "Persecutor, Rescuer and Victim " (Transactional Analysis)



    In this psychological triangle, you are the "Rescuer". That person is characterised by:



    Rescues when really doesn't want to.



    Feels guilty if doesn't rescue.



    Keeps victim dependent.



    Gives permission to fail.



    Expects to fail in rescue attempts.





    The Rescuer



    We take on the role of rescuer when we perceive another person to be hopeless and helpless, in other words a victim. As part of this role we take full responsibility for that person’s well being, making them feel as though they can’t help themselves. By adopting this role we keep others dependent on us and make them feel that they can’t cope without us.



    I don't want to be harsh, but I think you fit the "Rescuer" model perfectly. Perhaps reading about this will help you to see that, despite your best intentions, you are NOT helping her or yourself . . .



    Best wishes for a resolution to this situation very soon . . .

    Jun 15, 2011
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  • charlierose5012

    Thank you everyone for the comments and advice. I do know that right now my wife is expressing that she is not "in love" with me and that anything she does right now is for the kids and not for me. I can respect that she has the kids best interest at heart - because I do too. I don't know that staying together for the kids is best for them or not - and will be taking the time I need to before making a decision to divorce.



    Shyriss is very right - I do need to love and to be loved by another woman. I crave that companionship. I need to take care of a woman and for her to take care of me. I can definitely sacrifice this for the kids - but what do the kids see and learn from both of us if we do that?



    I guess the biggest thing stopping me from just pulling the plug is the timing. This is all still sudden - just the past 9 weeks. Although she says she has been feeling this way for a few years, she still also admits feeling very connected and in love with me just 7 months ago. I guess in my head I keep thinking that if she loved me once, and fell out of love for whatever reason, can't she fall back in love again? I know that I have read many success stories out there where marriages have been saved from this specific thing - the "I love you but am not IN love with you" thing. When do I know versus when do I give up?



    My wife has many MANY issues from her childhood that she has never dealt with. She has been depressed and traumatized by that as well as abandonment issues for most of her life - even being estranged from her mother about 5 years ago. I know that her unhappiness and confusion and feelings of being "trapped" in the marriage all play into what she is feeling now. I know it doesn't mean the feelings aren't real - but I guess I just don't feel like I can be another person who abandons her just because she is in a very bad mental state right now. I will always wonder if I made the right decision to leave. What if she gets better - through therapy or time or whatever - and in a year, 2 years, or who knows how long, she gets better and realizes that being married to me is what she wants. That her unhappiness and feeling trapped all stemmed from buried emotions and trauma she never dealt with, and that she projected that onto me and our marriage since she couldn't ever really figure out what it was that was making her unhappy.



    I know, too much to hope for, huh?

    Jun 15, 2011
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  • ISELFLOVE

    If I were you, I would not waste time or the money on couples therapy. I would go straight to a divorce lawyer and file immediately. And I sure wouldn't waste any time on separating and still living under the same roof. SHE doesn't care how the marriage breakdown has affected you, all she cares about it how it will affect the children and how you knowing about her affair affects her secret agenda to have her cake and eat it too. The children will probably be fine; divorces happen and children adjust as long as they still feel loved by both parents and know that it's not their fault whatsoever. Good luck.

    Jun 14, 2011
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  • blowfish69

    she doesn't deserve you, your being far too understanding. i understand that you must be very hurt and confused about the situation. but you should not be so accommodating to her. Shes not even respecting you enough to admit the truth and fess up. She sounds like a selfish self centered *****. sorry to be so blunt i can see you still love her. But in order to truly be open to loving someone you have to be able to love yourself, if you let this slide and stay with her deep down in your heart you will never forgive yourself for letting someone treat you like that. i say you get main custody with the kids, and force her to be accommodating towards you are your kids if she wants any relationship with them.

    Jun 14, 2011
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  • ptat

    Fustrated and hurt!! Still no results..Guess it's not an instant fix...

    Jun 14, 2011
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  • whenif

    It does sound like the odds are stacked against a rekindling of love in your marriage. You didn't mention if you feel she ever did love you and if there was a time when things were good in your marriage. I'm not certain what may have led her to have this affair, which is at the very least an emotional affair (although it could be more - there is no knowing without her saying or some evidence to the contrary.)



    I agree that you have handled it all quite well to this point. I can only imagine how difficult and painful this all is to you. I also agree that it is obvious that the only reason she is willing to consider marriage counseling is because she is frightened by what a divorce would do to her time with the children. She is definitely mourning the loss of her affair. She is also realizing all that her actions have caused. I would give her time to process it all, if you can.



    Unlike some others, I say go ahead with marriage counseling if she remains interested. It may, but it may not heal your marriage but with the right counselor it might help you both in managing a healthy divorce. My first husband asked me for a divorce. We went to marriage counseling at my insistance. It gave us a place to discuss things with a nuetral third party to aid in the communication. Eventually, in my case, I realized that I would never be happy being married to a man who didn't want to be married to me. For you, looking back, it might alleviate any possible thought of "what if". It will enable you to say that you did try everything. It may even facilitate some healing for you. If she really is not interested in working on your marriage, that will become obvious there. If she really does want to work on your marriage, you will see that also.



    I do agree that there is no point in trying to destroy the other man. It is an act of anger whose purpose is to hurt them both as they have hurt you. If your wife is genuinely trying to work on your marriage and he continues to contact her, then you could use the threat of telling his wife to get him to stop. I would hold that as your trump card for that purpose only.



    If you haven't talked to an attorney, do be sure to do that now. Be certain to have all your facts lined up in the event that things to lead to a divorce and listen to any warnings or cautions they might have during this time of possible reconciliation.



    Separation might be a good step but I'm not sure that you could come to an agreement on who the children will stay with. They are the biggest concern in all of this. No matter what, if things begin to look damaging for the children, you will have to revisit your plans.



    Stay strong. Stay focused. Don't let her emotions put you in a turmoil. And take care of yourself. Do what you need to do for you as well. This is a very hard draining time.



    In the end, only you can decide what is best for you based on all you know of yourself, your wife and your children. There is obviously so much more to your situation and in your history than can be exchanged here.



    Wishing you the best outcome - no matter what that turns out to be.

    Jun 14, 2011
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  • idontknowinpa

    First, stay strong. You've handled the situation up to this point like a king. I can only imagine how painful this must be for you but I think when your wife suggested getting a divorce and living together, it's obviously all about the kids for her. She's completely checked out of the marriage and is now trying to figure out how she can "date" and keep her kids. You don't factor into her life except as a tool to keep her children near her. On some level you must know that this is true. Go to counseling if you think it would help YOU move through the divorce but it doesn't sound like your wife has any interest in saving your marriage. "I need time to work on me" is code for "I want a divorce but I don't want to cause conflict so I'll string you along until you leave."



    See a lawyer. Get your ducks in a row. You've got an uphill battle coming your way. If your state has at-fault divorce, be sure to take those text logs.

    Jun 14, 2011
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  • hutre

    Your situation is almost identical to my parents' situation when they divorced, although my father was the divorcer. My mom became allergic to a certain ring tone, because it was the one my father used for his lover. My mom tried taking him to a marriage councilor but he wasn't interested in it because he just wanted out. In the end my father's lover stayed with her husband, because they had 7 kids together, but my father divorced my mother waiting for her to commit to him. Like others have said, your wife doesn't love you anymore. What you need to figure out now is how the kids are going to deal with you. If you take initiative in the divorce, the kids will feel you're abandoning them, and feel you're the bad guy here. On the other hand if you tell them about the affair, that's another problem. Spend as much time with the kids as possible and assure them you'll always be there for them, and don't let them be turned against you. It's a nasty thing but a divorce can easily turn into a power struggle with the kids as pawns. Good luck for you and the kids.

    Jun 14, 2011
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  • rickibrat2

    the talking with others will not works as she is going it to it with the wrong feeling i think



    she is not doing it to save the marrages but to keep you quite it seems

    Jun 14, 2011
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  • ZigMcZag

    Sorry. I stopped reading at the part where you said she is having an affair.



    I can not think of any better way for your unloving wife to make her message clear: She does not love you and she does not want to **** you and she does not want to be married to you.



    Have some self respect and get a divorce now. Why would you want to stuff your **** in some other man's cesspool anyway?

    Jun 14, 2011
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  • TheWendigo

    It's approaching insanity that you would continue to try and salvage something with this woman. Every single minute you spend playing these games with your wife is time that is lost forever. There's no dignity for you or her in what you're attempting in trying to salvage the relationship. You need to cease the heroic measures and call time of death on this marriage. Good luck

    TW

    Jun 14, 2011
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  • angeleyes6972

    Let me begin by saying I have my own biased agenda in all this but......



    Let her go, let her go nicely. She doesnt want you. Why do you want to hold on to her like this? What is the point - is it your pride? Nothing lasts forever. And why would you ruin his life - to make you feel better? Because he loves the woman that you want and cant ever really have and because she sees something in him that she doesnt see in you? What a hollow thing.



    So she chooses the kids [ because she is not ever choosing you], big deal! Do you want a pity marriage? A pity **** once a week? That zombie woman is all you have - I feel her pain!! If you want her as some weird trophy let her continue her affair and be happy. Why, if you love her do you want to see her miserable? He is keeping her in that marriage for you!!!!



    Believe me, now that she has found him she will never be happy with you. See it as an opportunity to find real happiness for yourself, not this looking good bullshit you are clinging desperately onto.



    You are perfect as you are. A wonderful man I am sure; just not a wonderful man for her. Own it. My husband is an ok guy, just not for me and I accept that I am not for him. We would both be happier somewhere else. Our time, if it ever really existed has passed, as has yours.

    Jun 14, 2011
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    • hutre

      I don't think this is very helpful for him. While it's difficult to differentiate feelings of justice and revenge, I think the lover's wife should know what her husband has done. Depending on what kind of cheating they did, and he might have had others, the lover might bring home diseases. I for sure would want to be told that my husband is fooling around.

      You're trying to sound supportive, but it all boils down to this situation being his fault according to your text. "His pride" is stopping her from being happy? He asked her what she wants to do, and she keeps stringing him along without giving him a definitive answer.

      I suggest you stop stringing your husband along as well, so you can stop confusing love and possessiveness (in regard to trophy) with each other.

      Jun 14, 2011
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    • angeleyes6972

      FYI there is no stringing along. My h knows that I dont want to be here and that I stay for the kids until our youngest finishes school. I have been very open and honest about this; he knows about my exit styrategy and does not block any of the things I do to make this happen. I have told him that I want him to be happy but that this should not include me - he acknowledges that the marriage is over. He does not know about my affair, though in fact he must and he turns a blind eye.

      And actually I am being supportive, supportive of Charlie finding happiness for himself with a woman who truly loves him and not holding onto something that is long dead. Everyone is worthy of this, even adulterous spouses, even refusers. Revenge is a wasted way of being; it is when we can let go of all the self pity and feelings of injustice that we can move on and truly be happy ourselves. When Charlie does this and lets her go without all the head *******, they will both be free. Win win.

      Jun 14, 2011
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    • blowfish69

      you should really reconsider the meaning of vows retard. oh poor trapped desperate house wife. do you not remember saying "till death do us part"? Pathetic.

      Jun 14, 2011
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    • angeleyes6972

      Now little one, name calling is not nice. Didn't your parents teach you anything?

      And dont comment about things you don't understand - in a sexless marriage are you, been in a relationship for more than the equivalent of a nano second?
      What is pathetic is that at 18-21 you would choose to comment about things you just dont yet understand and I hope that you never will.

      Jun 15, 2011
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  • skippyboy

    I think you are prepared to accept too much in order to salvage anything you can from your marriage. Like you said, would the situation be different if lover boy wasn't unavailable. If you want to be her second best and only option and can live with that, then stay, otherwise it's her who has made her bed.

    Jun 14, 2011
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  • eternalhope

    I shall pre-empt AC. She DOES NOT love you. If she agrees to counseling, it's only for the kids.

    The spooning that night was NOT progress. It was her needing the comfort of another human. Anyone.

    She has made her choice and it's not you.

    You could live together as roommates for the sake of the kids. Just remember that your life will be in a long long limbo.

    Jun 14, 2011
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    • TheWendigo

      Thank you for speaking the truth, even when it's bitter!
      TW

      Jun 14, 2011
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  • RabbitJourney

    I commend you on how you handled it. Very calmy and knowing where to stand firm in your convictions. I am sorry, but it does sound like your wife is reluctant to save the marriage to remain with you. The offer to seek counseling seems more in the hopes of retaining her daily contact with the children. Otherwise, why would the option of being divorced and co-habitating like room-mates seem like the better option than counseling for the sake of your marriage? You are reading her reasoning correctly, in my honest opinion. I am sorry for you, it must be a great let down for you watching her go into withdrawel from her lover.

    Jun 14, 2011
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  • ModLulu

    Give her a few days to let this sink in. She's no doubt very sorry she got caught, and needs to figure out how to proceed from here. Try the counseling, it can't hurt. Go together one time, see how it goes. Put aside what you want her motivations to be for going. Just go, and speak from the best part of you. How your wife chooses to use the time is entirely up to her.



    And Charlie, think about what you really want.

    Jun 14, 2011
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  • meerin

    If you divorce her, that is one thing. But why wreak vengeance on him? Your wife is the one who didn't live up to her vows. If you feel you must tell his wife out of fairness, that is one thing. Waging an all out war against this man because your wife chose to engage in an affair will accomplish nothing.

    Jun 13, 2011
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  • bazzar

    Without being privy to all the facts, one can only pick up the general vibe of a story.



    The picture I get is of a marriage unravelling.



    And as such, you might as well proceed on the divorce plan so that the deconstruction of the marriage is managed to a conclusion with co-parenting as the priority.



    Tread your own path.

    Jun 13, 2011
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  • OneLonelyHubby

    Yes, I would say that it is over for you and your wife. Get a divorce and find a decent and loving woman to share the rest of your life with. If you stick with your current wife, you will ne miserable all of your life. She obviously does not care about you so why care about her? Oh, I would definitely tell the school and your wifes' boyfreinds' wife about their affair. Good luck!

    Jun 13, 2011
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  • Mistakemaker

    You have handled the whole situation well to this point. Your wife's actions suggest that she does not regret the affair (whether it was physical or emotional) and she wants the marriage to continue for selfish reasons rather than because of you. What do you want? There's no point in going to counseling if you're done. Once you're sure of what you want, you'll know what to do.

    Jun 13, 2011
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  • goldilks

    Ugh! I am sorry that you're in this situation. From what you've written here, it doesn't look good to me...I don't have a lot of faith in marriage counseling in general. It seems as though it's a last ditch effort on her part...just to make sure she can say to herself that she tried to salvage the marriage. Like you said, if she's just going to counseling because she doesn't want to get divorced for the kids' sake and not because her primary focus is keeping you in her life, you're not starting on firm ground. If you are ready to move on, it's probably best to do it now rather than drag it out with counseling. Sometimes you know when there is no hope...and since you're living this situation, you would know best. Don't just let her drag things along...it just prolongs the agony. Good luck.

    Jun 13, 2011
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  • LaoTzu

    Just my two cents. From what you have related, it seems that your spouse has already disengaged from you. She isolates herself and cannot bring herself to show you affection unless she is seeking comfort. I have been there. I reckon she wants the security of the family structure you have and the intimacy she has with her lover. There is no thought of you in this scenario. Why stay when there is no love or connection there?

    Jun 13, 2011
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  • TessieMae65

    Yes, she is grieving the loss of her lover. I don't know how long that will take. There isn't anything that you can do to make it better. It's a crappy situation for everyone involved. Sorry.

    Jun 13, 2011
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